S10.E22: Reunion Part 3

[WireWrap]

I don't know why everyone thinks that Vicki was paying for all of Brooks' expenses. Vicki is one cheap tightwad and only doles out cash when it makes her look good and she will let everyone know. Before Brooks moved in with Vicki, he had his own apartment in RSM. Vicki has also said that when Brooks did move in with her, she charged him rent. I don't think Brooks' income was large, especially compared to Vicki's Bravo salary, but he was making money (including whatever Bravo paid him). I think Vicki paid for most of the extras such as vacations.

I don't know if Vicki paid Brooks bills or not but I do NOT think she would want to let anyone know at this point if she did. At the time of filming, she was intent on trying to make everyone like him and was willing to do/say whatever to achieve that. JMO

[islandgal140]

That's it! That's what is confusing me. It seems Shannon is painting a muddy picture of the events to draw more sympathy.

 

Does this mean I need to bake 2 casseroles now? One for Vicki and one for Shannon?

 

No doubt in my mind with those ratings that Vicki's ass will be back, whether I like it or not. She'll be back whether the sisters Grimm of Heather, Tamra, Meg and Shannon want her or not. They will deal because at the end of the day (tm Apollo RHOATL/federal pen) they are all famewhores who will dance monkey dance when Bravo tells them to.

 

Heather can stay delusional in Whoville if she wants to but I very much doubt that Bravo will attribute the bump to the so-called 'genuine friendship between the ladies.' Girl, bye. Sad as it is and loathe as I am to admit it but the cancer story is what is doing it. Seriously, the various blogs, internets recappers and E! news isn't doing interviews with the girls to cover the genuineness of their friendship. They are analyzing Brooks cancer bills and claims. 

 

Brandi on OC? Hell to the naw.  We are at and above brash asshole capacity as it is what with Tamra and her mini-me Meghan.  

[glowlights]

Hello, folks. I broke my NO MORE HOUSEWIVES rule and watched this damn reunion. (Why, self, why?) Out of all the sheer idiocy that was spewed, including but not limited to home colonics, the thing that most stood out to me was Brooks telling Andy that he couldn't make the reunion because it conflicted with his busy work schedule. lol Can someone please explain to me what he does? His twitter says "healthcare sales". Is that insurance sales? Selling medical supplies? Or... ? I was always under the impression that he's a grifter - this busy job thing is A Revelation (tm Gretchen) .

 

The reunion had 100% too much Briana for me.

[freeradical]

IF Vicki does try to use abuse or control by Brooks as her storyline next season, she will have to start changing her story NOW. She has tweeted that she does believe him now and that he never abused or tried to control her after the reunion was filmed. IMO, the ship has sailed for the poor, poor me, Brooks is a bad, bad man storyline redemption tour UNLESS she spills whatever dirt he has on her and I don't see that happening.

The thing is, women go to court after men are arrested for beating them to claim the cops lied. Women make up stories about their black eye or explain away why what the guy said in front of other people wasn't that bad

. He was drunk, I pissed him off, he was having a bad day etc. It is a cycle. They lose self esteem and actually believe they can't do any better so they go back and minimize the abuse. It doesn't make sense to people outside that relationship, it never does. I should add that Men are also abused in the same ways and react the same way. What you just said about Vicki is exactly what everyone says about abused people. This is why they don't want to admit it to anyone, ever. I just wanted to point this out to aid understanding of these situations. Oprah did it years ago but I don't think people talk about it much anymore. It goes for emotional and physical abuse equally. I know many don't like Vicki, actually abused people who go back often come off as unlikable and frustrating. It's a complex mind fuck. Sorry about the after school leture but I feel it's important.

Edit to add I don't know that she was abused but more so in case someone who is abused is reading this thread.

Edited November 4, 2015 by freeradical

[zoeysmom]

There is one source that is basically saying that Alexis coming back next season is a done deal. I could see that happening, and think they were floating the idea when they had her on WWHL a couple of weeks ago. I have never been able to stand Alexis, and hated the fact that she kind of ended her run on a high note because of some perceived "gang up". I think it would be fascinating to have her come back as Vicki's lone friend on the show. She was very popular when she left, and has become the object of fierce protection on some sites. I think it would be very interesting to see how she might be perceived if she came on and attempted to convince everyone that Vicki really isn't so bad.

I do think at the end of the day that at some point Bravo will try to cross over a HW from one show to another. They haven't done this yet, and with the franchise overall becoming stale, I would think they would be looking at ways to shake things up. They have done the deal where one or two HW's makes an appearance on another show (Brandi and Yo on NY a couple of seasons ago, Lisa R on this show a few episodes ago, and then we will see the BH and NY gals mingle in the Hamptons for the upcoming BH season), but no one has ever moved from one franchise to the other (as far as I know). I still wouldn't rule out this happening with Brandi. Her custody deal probably wouldn't matter as she currently lives 30 or so minutes from Eddie and LeAnn, and arrangments can be altered for a time if both parties agree. I would think at this point that an employed Brandi is better for Eddie than an unemployed one. She can also do all the name calling she wants. The other ladies might not like it, but I still don't think that anyone on this show has that much power. Lisa V can probably get whatever she wants, no matter how much she tries to say otherwise, as can Beth. I just don't think that Heather or Tamra have that much power, and I also think they would love the idea of having this bitch to kick around. I think it would be awesome. I hate Brandi, but that would be "must see" TV for me.

You know this would only work if Brandi and Vicki had a threesome with some poor unsuspecting man. 

[Giselle]

Vicki's "love tank" will never be full because, like any addict, she will always need to hunt for new supply. As obnoxious as Vicki can be, it's sad too.

 

Vicki's love tank is bottomless. No matter how many times someone says "I love you" or validates her in any aspect of her life it will never be enough. She will never have enough, in the amount that she wants it in the way that she wants it.  I have thought that since the time when she was chasing her mother around the house trying to get her to say "I love you" in the way Vicki wanted her too. I got the feeling that Vicki was like that as a child and her mom got frustrated on camera because Vicki has always been like that and she was tired of being pestered about it. 

 

No amount of apologies, "I love you" "You are important to me", validations, pats on the back, recognition, gifts, flowers, phone calls, hugs, or casseroles will ever be enough for her. Those around her become fatigued at Vickie's constant need and that their demonstrations of love are always considered inadequate.

[zoeysmom]

I always wondered if Vicky was footing the bill for Brooks "medical treatment", (she has paid his way for everything else so it's not that crazy of a thought) and if she was wouldn't she have seen the paperwork the insurance generates stating the service and fees?  She sells insurance right? If Brooks told her insurance covers everything we know that is a big fat lie, no insurance covers everything and Vicky would know that!  She wanted that controversy because it was her only story line.  

 

In other news, no matter what, please do not let them replace Vicky with Brandi!!! Her brand of crazy is not enjoyable to watch.

 

Vicki said at the Reunion Brooks claimed he would not be paying all this money for treatments if he didn't have cancer.  Brooks claims to be a consultant in the health insurance field I am sure he has the Cadillac of health care plans.  Probably has low rates as wee since it seems he never really gets treated for anything.  My guess is his biggest expense every month is for boner meds.

The thing is, women go to court after men are arrested for beating them to claim the cops lied. Women make up stories about their black eye or explain away why what the guy said in front of other people wasn't that bad. They make excuses for why. He was drunk, I pissed him off, he was having a bad day etc. It is a cycle. They lose self esteem and actually believe they can't do any better so they go back and minimize the abuse. It doesn't make sense to people outside that relationship, it never does. I should add that Men are also abused in the same ways and react the same way. What you just said about Vicki is exactly what everyone says about abused people. This is why they don't want to admit it to anyone, ever. I just wanted to point this out to aid understanding of these situations. Oprah did it years ago but I don't think people talk about it much anymore. It goes for emotional and physical abuse equally. I know many don't like Vicki, actually abused people who go back often come off as unlikable and frustrating. It's a complex mind fuck. Sorry about the after school leture but I feel it's important.

Vicki's claims and non-claims regarding abuse.  A thought crossed my mind-if Vicki calls her daughter a fvcking bitch, I just wonder what she does when she gets mad at Donn (who called her c&nt on TV) or Brooks when she gets mad?  I can see Vicki giving as good as she gets.   Not too long ago both her first husband and Donn were abusive relationships.  Maybe with Vicki's therapy she has learned that making serious claims to get attention or get even just isn't fair.  I have no doubt with Vicki comes a lot of volatility.  I will say if the abuse excuse lands her another million dollar paycheck I think she will go forward with it.  At this point, given past statements by her first husband, Donn's statement about it always is Vicki's rule and Vicki's way, I don't think I am interested in viewing the make over of Vicki Gunvalson.  I just feel like she is doing it for endorsements or money not for any self realization or growth.   

[Snarky McSnarky]

Hello, folks. I broke my NO MORE HOUSEWIVES rule and watched this damn reunion. (Why, self, why?) Out of all the sheer idiocy that was spewed, including but not limited to home colonics, the thing that most stood out to me was Brooks telling Andy that he couldn't make the reunion because it conflicted with his busy work schedule. lol Can someone please explain to me what he does? His twitter says "healthcare sales". Is that insurance sales? Selling medical supplies? Or... ? I was always under the impression that he's a grifter - this busy job thing is A Revelation (tm Gretchen) .

 

 

Supposedly, he acts as a broker between hospitals that want to save money on personnel costs and vendors that can staff departments with their own people, i.e., food service, janitorial, pharmacy, or whatever.  

[Giselle]

I don't know why everyone thinks that Vicki was paying for all of Brooks' expenses. Vicki is one cheap tightwad and only doles out cash when it makes her look good and she will let everyone know. Before Brooks moved in with Vicki, he had his own apartment in RSM. Vicki has also said that when Brooks did move in with her, she charged him rent. I don't think Brooks' income was large, especially compared to Vicki's Bravo salary, but he was making money (including whatever Bravo paid him). I think Vicki paid for most of the extras such as vacations.

 

He probably had medical insurance, if he didn't Vicki set him up with some. His treatments were not going to come out of her pocket.

 

As for making up fake bills, of course he did he had to, he doesn't want to go to prison for committing insurance fraud by submitting fraudulent claims because...

 

His medical insurance carrier is also missing from the bill. Every bill I have received or that my father and mother received has always listed the primary insurance, secondary insurance if any or said self pay or cash pay.  It also listed not only the price of the procedure but what the insurance paid and any co pay that was required, or if it was not covered.

 

Working in the auto industry there are BAR guidelines (Bureau of Auto Repair) as to how a repair estimate and repair bill must be written to comply with laws and regulations. I would think there are required guidelines in place for medical billing also.

Edited November 4, 2015 by Giselle

[Feline Queen]

Tamra was talking about tacos made with 'al pastor'.  I have absolutely no idea what sort of meat it is, but I see it all the time in authentic mexican restaurants.  Tamra really wasn't pulling THAT out of her ass lol.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al_pastor

[freeradical]

Vicki's claims and non-claims regarding abuse. A thought crossed my mind-if Vicki calls her daughter a fvcking bitch, I just wonder what she does when she gets mad at Donn (who called her c&nt on TV) or Brooks when she gets mad? I can see Vicki giving as good as she gets. Not too long ago both her first husband and Donn were abusive relationships. Maybe with Vicki's therapy she has learned that making serious claims to get attention or get even just isn't fair. I have no doubt with Vicki comes a lot of volatility. I will say if the abuse excuse lands her another million dollar paycheck I think she will go forward with it. At this point, given past statements by her first husband, Donn's statement about it always is Vicki's rule and Vicki's way, I don't think I am interested in viewing the make over of Vicki Gunvalson. I just feel like she is doing it for endorsements or money not for any self realization or growth.

I understand your opinion. I largely agree about her history of claiming abuse by the ex husbands. Although that could also indicate an abuse pattern along with her unhealthy need to be loved. Many abused people think the abuse indicates love. I was mostly referring to abused people in general. However, Vicki has always insisted Brooks never abused her. It was everyone at the reunion who accused Brooks of abusing her and said she is not the "type" of person to tolerate abuse and just because she is an asshole too doesn't mean she wasn't abused. They are not mutually exclusive. I don't like her either. She has lost credibility in many ways, I really was trying to address abuse symptoms and patterns in general.

Loretta Lynn said about her husband "He never hit me one time that I didn't hit him back twice" to me, that says it all.

Edited November 4, 2015 by freeradical

[WireWrap]

The thing is, women go to court after men are arrested for beating them to claim the cops lied. Women make up stories about their black eye or explain away why what the guy said in front of other people wasn't that bad

. He was drunk, I pissed him off, he was having a bad day etc. It is a cycle. They lose self esteem and actually believe they can't do any better so they go back and minimize the abuse. It doesn't make sense to people outside that relationship, it never does. I should add that Men are also abused in the same ways and react the same way. What you just said about Vicki is exactly what everyone says about abused people. This is why they don't want to admit it to anyone, ever. I just wanted to point this out to aid understanding of these situations. Oprah did it years ago but I don't think people talk about it much anymore. It goes for emotional and physical abuse equally. I know many don't like Vicki, actually abused people who go back often come off as unlikable and frustrating. It's a complex mind fuck. Sorry about the after school leture but I feel it's important.

Edit to add I don't know that she was abused but more so in case someone who is abused is reading this thread.

I do understand/know this about abuse victims. The fact remains though that Vicki is denying everything and unless she starts to admit to the abuse/control now, she will have a hard time convincing many viewers that Brooks did anything. I think Vicki's greatest fear is that he will reveal whatever he has on her and it is something that can/will damage her beyond repair and I don't think she will will ever tell the truth when it comes to anything Brooks because of that. JMO

[Giselle]

Listened to Heather's podcast. She did a great job. She was articulate and most of all I loved that there weren't a plethora of pregnant pauses or sentences filled with "um" "aaand" and "you know".

 

I did chuckle at the 3:11 mark when Heather said Shannon and Tamera were coming on un-centered and not uncensored. 

[OhGromit]

 When did that happen?

 

 

They showed it [the clip of Vicki dumping a glass of water on Shannon) during the reunion.  Someone posted the link in Vicki's thread... I'll see if I can find it and will post it here.

 

Here's the clip:  http://www.bravotv.com/the-real-housewives-of-orange-county/season-10/episode-22/videos/water-gate-20-shannon-vs-vicki

Edited November 4, 2015 by OhGromit

[freeradical]

I do understand/know this about abuse victims. The fact remains though that Vicki is denying everything and unless she starts to admit to the abuse/control now, she will have a hard time convincing many viewers that Brooks did anything. I think Vicki's greatest fear is that he will reveal whatever he has on her and it is something that can/will damage her beyond repair and I don't think she will will ever tell the truth when it comes to anything Brooks because of that. JMO

This is definitely the last I'll say on this matter, it's too depressing and everyone is totally entitled to their own opinion. But what doesn't seem to be understood is someone who is abused will likely never admit to the abuse. This is why people don't know who or what to believe and dismiss the person who is being abused. Taylor Armstrong comes to mind. She went back and forth, mostly denying it because she didn't want to appear weak. She came off as unlikable and manipulative. Nobody believed her either. I agree that it seems like Brooks has something on Vicki though.

Edited November 4, 2015 by freeradical

[FanOfTheFans]

The thing is, women go to court after men are arrested for beating them to claim the cops lied. Women make up stories about their black eye or explain away why what the guy said in front of other people wasn't that bad

. He was drunk, I pissed him off, he was having a bad day etc. It is a cycle. They lose self esteem and actually believe they can't do any better so they go back and minimize the abuse. It doesn't make sense to people outside that relationship, it never does. I should add that Men are also abused in the same ways and react the same way. What you just said about Vicki is exactly what everyone says about abused people. This is why they don't want to admit it to anyone, ever. I just wanted to point this out to aid understanding of these situations. Oprah did it years ago but I don't think people talk about it much anymore. It goes for emotional and physical abuse equally. I know many don't like Vicki, actually abused people who go back often come off as unlikable and frustrating. It's a complex mind fuck. Sorry about the after school leture but I feel it's important.

Edit to add I don't know that she was abused but more so in case someone who is abused is reading this thread.

Sing it. You are spot on. Until one has lived it, it very hard for people on the outside to fathom. Abusers also count on this. It lets them off the hook when victim blaming becomes the norm. Why do women stay or go back? Because they are emotionally drained. All their energy is put into trying to survive. Again part of the cycle.

I don't know what went down with Vicki and Brooks but it wouldn't surprise me if there was abuse involved.

[WireWrap]

This is definitely the last I'll say on this matter, it's too depressing and everyone is totally entitled to their own opinion. But what doesn't seem to be understood is someone who is abused will likely never admit to the abuse. This is why people don't know who or what to believe and dismiss the person who is being abused. Taylor Armstrong comes to mind. She went back and forth, mostly denying it because she didn't want to appear weak. She came off as unlikable and manipulative. Nobody believed her either. I agree that it seems like Brooks has something on Vicki though.

My OPINION is that Vicki fears Brooks will reveal damaging information about her MORE than she fears anything else. That fear over rides everything, including physical abuse, co-worker/friendship relationships and her daughter/family. I was in NO way dismissing the impact abuse has on a victim or how society can and often does then question if the abuse ever happened. I was talking about Vicki, NOT abuse victims in general, and what appears to be MOST important to HER, which is whatever Brooks is holding over her head to keep her quiet about any abuse.

[glowlights]

Supposedly, he acts as a broker between hospitals that want to save money on personnel costs and vendors that can staff departments with their own people, i.e., food service, janitorial, pharmacy, or whatever.  

 

Thank you! I was really shocked to hear he had a work schedule, although VICKI WORKS YOU KNOW so thought maybe he picked that up from her.

 

There was no need for him to show intrusive healthcare records or bills to clear up the hinky-ness surrounding his cancer claims. All he needed to do was get his oncologist to furnish a brief letter to Bravo stating the diagnosis and treatment plan. It's not a big deal. Or he could have not told so many weird tales in the first place, and no one would be wondering. Also, I have received my fair share of healthcare bills and they show the original charge, what the insurance negotiated rate is, the adjustment, and what I owe, if anything. What Brooks showed looked more like a basic itemized billing history. Maybe he asked them to generate one like that so his insurance info wouldn't be made public. Gah. Who knows.

 

I don't know what to make of Vicki and her abuse claims. She comes across to me as a Narcissist who employs a victim narrative where and when it suits her, but shows classic Narcissist rage when someone doesn't go along with her (such as allegedly calling her daughter a fucking bitch, which I sincerely hope didn't happen... or getting a family van to the airport). My impression is that she fell in with Brooks because his smarmy love letters appealed to her endless need for admiration, and then she got played by a con artist. For his part, he didn't realize that he would lose control of the story because she is such an attention whore that she would start exaggerating and braying about his cancer. "He's dying! He needs an emergency IV! Omg where are the casserooooles!" In a way, they cooked each other's goose. Just my impression.

[zoeysmom]

This is definitely the last I'll say on this matter, it's too depressing and everyone is totally entitled to their own opinion. But what doesn't seem to be understood is someone who is abused will likely never admit to the abuse. This is why people don't know who or what to believe and dismiss the person who is being abused. Taylor Armstrong comes to mind. She went back and forth, mostly denying it because she didn't want to appear weak. She came off as unlikable and manipulative. Nobody believed her either. I agree that it seems like Brooks has something on Vicki though.

Didn't Vicki say it was more of the verbal variety of abuse?

 

ETA  I always believed Taylor.

Edited November 4, 2015 by zoeysmom

[cherry slushie]

Does this mean I need to bake 2 casseroles now? One for Vicki and one for Shannon?

 

No doubt in my mind with those ratings that Vicki's ass will be back, whether I like it or not. She'll be back whether the sisters Grimm of Heather, Tamra, Meg and Shannon want her or not. They will deal because at the end of the day (tm Apollo RHOATL/federal pen) they are all famewhores who will dance monkey dance when Bravo tells them to.

 

Heather can stay delusional in Whoville if she wants to but I very much doubt that Bravo will attribute the bump to the so-called 'genuine friendship between the ladies.' Girl, bye. Sad as it is and loathe as I am to admit it but the cancer story is what is doing it. Seriously, the various blogs, internets recappers and E! news isn't doing interviews with the girls to cover the genuineness of their friendship. They are analyzing Brooks cancer bills and claims. 

 

Brandi on OC? Hell to the naw.  We are at and above brash asshole capacity as it is what with Tamra and her mini-me Meghan.  

 

Is it possible to make a casserole that contains no sugar, fat, gluten, yeast, dairy, or meat?  In Shannon's case, I suppose you'd just throw a bunch of dry lettuce into a casserole dish and call it a casserole.

[glowlights]

Is it possible to make a casserole that contains no sugar, fat, gluten, yeast, dairy, or meat?  In Shannon's case, I suppose you'd just throw a bunch of dry lettuce into a casserole dish and call it a casserole.

 

And no tangerines! For the love of god, no tummy-bloating tangerines...

[Giselle]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al_pastor

 

Eating Tacos al Pastor or anything pork related is a religious experience for me. Pork is God's gift, a sign that He loves us and wants us to be happy.

Edited November 4, 2015 by Giselle

[WireWrap]

Thank you! I was really shocked to hear he had a work schedule, although VICKI WORKS YOU KNOW so thought maybe he picked that up from her.

 

There was no need for him to show intrusive healthcare records or bills to clear up the hinky-ness surrounding his cancer claims. All he needed to do was get his oncologist to furnish a brief letter to Bravo stating the diagnosis and treatment plan. It's not a big deal. Or he could have not told so many weird tales in the first place, and no one would be wondering. Also, I have received my fair share of healthcare bills and they show the original charge, what the insurance negotiated rate is, the adjustment, and what I owe, if anything. What Brooks showed looked more like a basic itemized billing history. Maybe he asked them to generate one like that so his insurance info wouldn't be made public. Gah. Who knows.

 

I don't know what to make of Vicki and her abuse claims. She comes across to me as a Narcissist who employs a victim narrative where and when it suits her, but shows classic Narcissist rage when someone doesn't go along with her (such as allegedly calling her daughter a fucking bitch, which I sincerely hope didn't happen... or getting a family van to the airport). My impression is that she fell in with Brooks because his smarmy love letters appealed to her endless need for admiration, and then she got played by a con artist. For his part, he didn't realize that he would lose control of the story because she is such an attention whore that she would start exaggerating and braying about his cancer. "He's dying! He needs an emergency IV! Omg where are the casserooooles!" In a way, they cooked each other's goose. Just my impression.

This bill, Brooks, does look like an itemized bill from a hospital. I have requested them time to time as well BUT they always have my name at the top of each page. We see a screen shot of "page 1 of 2" and there is NO name on it anywhere at all and it should be there. LOL

 

This was not Brooks first season on the show and he has been portrayed badly every season he has been on, 2 or 3 seasons now, so he knows he has NO control over his/Vicki's story or that she tends to misspeak/exgagerate things. LOL This wasn't his first rodeo with either Vicki or editing. LOL

[VioletMarx]

Heather can stay delusional in Whoville if she wants to but I very much doubt that Bravo will attribute the bump to the so-called 'genuine friendship between the ladies.' Girl

 

If there is one thing on this planet that Andy Cohen and Bravo have ZERO interest in, it is genuine friendship between ladies.

[Midnight Cheese]

They showed it [the clip of Vicki dumping a glass of water on Shannon) during the reunion.  Someone posted the link in Vicki's thread... I'll see if I can find it and will post it here.

 

Here's the clip:  http://www.bravotv.com/the-real-housewives-of-orange-county/season-10/episode-22/videos/water-gate-20-shannon-vs-vicki

 

Wow.  I missed this, thanks OhGromit.

 

I think the thing that Shannon and probably Heather still can't absorb as reality is that there is no basement level of scumbaggery for Vicki and Tamra.  There isn't anything they won't do and shrug off because they have nothing in terms of a code of behavior or of ethics, a sense of shame, a natural moral intelligence.  It doesn't exist in either of them.  Here, we see Vicki as her mother's daughter: she's agitated by Meghan, and Meghan for good and for ill doesn't back down.  Vicki can't process how big a fail she is even in moments where she could be theoretically correct, so to burn off energy she attacks someone she perceives as weaker, Shannon, even as Shannon is standing there on her side!  It's whack.  It's what happens though when you live in a land of meat puppet monsters.  They are unpredictable if you yourself have a brain and a soul.  It's something that squares very well with a 53-year old 4-Xanaxes-to-the-wind pyramid schemer who seems to perceive her mother's arrest for road rage as fodder for an adorable anecdote.

 

Whatever their backgrounds and issues, whatever was actually said by David to Shannon after the fact, I *do* see the Beadors and Dubrows having some converstaions after these get-togethers about the mind-blowing trashiness of their castmates.  I mean, they all have school-aged kids (Tamra: "Me too!") they have relationships with (Tamra: "IT'S SIMONS FAULT IT'S MY OPINION!!!") and enjoy full custody of (Tamra: pretending to dab her eyes, no tears visible), they can't love the idea of their kids being around Vicki or Tamra or even watching them in the episodes. 

Edited November 4, 2015 by Midnight Cheese

[Giselle]

And no tangerines! For the love of god, no tummy-bloating tangerines...

 

Nope, no tangerines. Vicki is bloated enough but I think she needs a metric fuck ton of Rescue Remedy demi glace added to the casserole.

 

She'll reach for and eat anything that will pull her out of this quagmire.

[Kiss my mutt]

I don't see how Vicki could just sit in the waiting room for four hours and not check in with someone to see how he's doing. Where did Brooks go during that time. I doubt they'd let him just sit in a chemo chair and shoot the shit. He probably snuck down to the cafeteria and hit on the nurses.

And does anyone ever just take half a Xanax??

[Duke2801]

I would guess Vicki to be 5'6" and a size 14 or 16. Briana 5'4" and in the plus sizes but I don't know how those run.

 

Nah I think if we saw Vicki in real life amongst real people, you’d see that she is not a large woman at all. I’ll bet she’s around a size 8 – 10 at the very most.

Vicki has 3 things against her that makes her appear “larger” on our tv screens: 1) she is on TV … automatic 10-15 pounds there. 2) she is usually around women who are a size 0-2.  Even Shannon at her “fat” (referring to HER wording – I never thought that!) stage was probably never more than a size 4. And 3) she wears clothes that are wrong for her shape and size.  She still wants to be that slender size 4/6 she was in seasons 1-2 and she’s just not anymore.

 

Agree about Brianna tho.

[Grneyedldy]

Nah I think if we saw Vicki in real life amongst real people, you’d see that she is not a large woman at all. I’ll bet she’s around a size 8 – 10 at the very most.

Vicki has 3 things against her that makes her appear “larger” on our tv screens: 1) she is on TV … automatic 10-15 pounds there. 2) she is usually around women who are a size 0-2.  Even Shannon at her “fat” (referring to HER wording – I never thought that!) stage was probably never more than a size 4. And 3) she wears clothes that are wrong for her shape and size.  She still wants to be that slender size 4/6 she was in seasons 1-2 and she’s just not anymore.

 

Agree about Brianna tho.

I saw Vicki and Donn 5 yrs ago. I was probably 50-60 feet away. Vicki looked tall and slender. I think she may be a little heavier now, but there's no way she is a size 14-16.

[freeradical]

Didn't Vicki say it was more of the verbal variety of abuse?

ETA I always believed Taylor.

Maybe I'll respond one more time. :-) I'm sure with Vicki it was verbal/ emotional. I did get sidetracked with talking too much about physical. I mean, I know they are both bad but in different ways and Taylor was a whole other situation. In three comments I said "abuse" about as many times as I said "cancer" this season. Too depressing.

Sooo... back to reality show snarking! Gawd Heather Dubrow is so annoying with her house budget. She could have funded 12 houses by donating the equivalent amount of her cabinet budget alone to Houses for Humanity.

[Ubiquitous]

Cynthia Bailey, her daughter Noelle, and Claudia Jordan were just on "Below Deck". Bravo is on this. Lol

Several people from thd various housewife shows appeared on Procurement Patty's show.

Back to the topic of the reunion , I found Tamra snewfound Christian beliefs were limited to watching Pastor Mike 's YouTube channel amusing. I wouldn't be surised if her Bible reading consisted of watching the DVD on her TV.

Edited November 4, 2015 by Ubiquitous

[Ubiquitous]

They showed it [the clip of Vicki dumping a glass of water on Shannon) during the reunion.  Someone posted the link in Vicki's thread... I'll see if I can find it and will post it here.

 

Here's the clip:  http://www.bravotv.com/the-real-housewives-of-orange-county/season-10/episode-22/videos/water-gate-20-shannon-vs-vicki

 Thanks! How did I miss THAT?

I don't see how Vicki could just sit in the waiting room for four hours and not check in with someone to see how he's doing. Where did Brooks go during that time. I doubt they'd let him just sit in a chemo chair and shoot the shit. He probably snuck down to the cafeteria and hit on the nurses.

And does anyone ever just take half a Xanax??

I believe Vicki didn't even bother going to the waiting room and have my doubts she drove him to the clinic.

[Kiss my mutt]

If Vicki had just stayed with Donn who really had cancer she could have legitimately garnered sympathy. I will never understand why she left him for Brooks.

[janie2002]

I cant stand Vickie and all, I think she is selfish and deluded but not any more than the rest of them.

 

Shannon being disgusted that someone would talk about her husband cheating on her was rich. How dare Vickie telll people... you know besides the millions Shanon told on tv.

 

Heather saying he must have something on you because youre too smart for this, what is it... Um well if he did isnt her lying for him to cover up what she doesnt want out?

 

The new tall one, couldn't even cry for Leanne, she really is Tamras mini me.

 

Tamra, ugh.

 

I wish Vickie would've done some coke instead of Xanax because they all have so much they lie about. She could have said 'I choose to believe the person I loved wasnt making up such disgusting lie. How I'm sure Shanon wouldn't believe anyone Dvid was cheating until she saw it, or Tamra that Eddie used to date his adoptive dad, or the cheating rumors of Jim in St Louis. We all choose to believe what our partners tell us because we trust them, if that makes me stupid then yes I was stupid."

[thefog]

Vicki may brag about how she is the OG of the OC.  But I just never saw having the same level of notoriety as Ne-Ne, Lisa V, Theresa, Ramona.

[StevieRocks]

Vicki seems to me to be a clone of Jill Zarin in that the combination of her ego/low self esteem got the better of her, got her thinking that she's the show's anchor and linchpin. In fact she's simply another hired cast member, there to fill a role.

 

On Broadway cast members (other than major major stars)  have short contracts; 4 or 6 months to make sure that no one becomes complacent or bored in their roles. They know that management is always watching, assessing their performances. No one is irreplaceable and there are always others waiting in the wings. Andy and TPTB are watching their casts as well since the real bottom line are ratings/money, not the ego of any one cast member--unless they happen to be driving the ratings. Jill was fired. Vicki could be as well, as could any one. If Vicki has become a liability she's gone. If she can wrangle her story into a redemption plotline, she may have a chance.

 

Stay tuned.

Exactly. And Broadway is pulling from a relatively small group of people who possess a very specific skill(s). TPTB need only locate a geographically-desirable fame-whoring immoral pig. PLENTY of those around!

[njbchlover]

Hello, folks. I broke my NO MORE HOUSEWIVES rule and watched this damn reunion. (Why, self, why?) Out of all the sheer idiocy that was spewed, including but not limited to home colonics, the thing that most stood out to me was Brooks telling Andy that he couldn't make the reunion because it conflicted with his busy work schedule. lol Can someone please explain to me what he does? His twitter says "healthcare sales". Is that insurance sales? Selling medical supplies? Or... ? I was always under the impression that he's a grifter - this busy job thing is A Revelation (tm Gretchen) .

 

The reunion had 100% too much Briana for me.

 

Maybe Brooks "SELLS" the fact that he supposedly needs "healthcare" to easy to dupe, easily preyed upon, somewhat wealthy (or perceived to be) women??  

Edited November 4, 2015 by njbchlover

[zoeysmom]

memories of happier times between Eddie, Vicki, Tamra and Brooks.  http://www.bravotv.com/the-real-housewives-of-orange-county/season-7/videos/vicki-and-eddie-have-a-moment

[bravofan27]

I could be wrong but on the show I never saw Brooks claim the cellulite doctor as his doctor or treating him. We went round and round and never actually found proof of this claim. Brooks referred to this doctor and his experience as the reason. We saw him with some dr. and that could have been the dr. in question but all we saw was Brooks taking part in whatever that was. Doesn't necessarily mean that particular Dr. was officially treating him for cancer or was his oncologist or etc. etc. etc. People reading extra into whatever information Brooks shared isn't the same as Brooks officially making a claim that so and so was his Dr. and was specifically treating him for cancer. So all this blah, blah Heather is spouting just goes in the bin of Messy, messy, messy claims that's been going around this season.

 

At the fitness center, Brooks said that he was starting revesteral with a doctor that Heather might know. Heather later said, "that doctor did cellulite treatments--- when did he move to treating cancer?" Brooks said that this guy healed himself and he was starting the reversteral blasts starting tomorrow.

 

It seems like a theme for Brooks to be always talking and using holistic approaches or alternative treatments. My feeling now is that he was going to say he had cancer, that the holistic shit cured him, and make money off the products he used. Vicki is along for the ride. I don't think Brooks ever thought anyone would go so hard on investigating his claims and now he is sort of forced to come up with chemo again. He's in a bind! Yay!

 

Tacos el pastor is just a taco made with pork that was cured/ prepared a certain way. She's with Eddie now so she is probably eating a lot more Mexican (in more ways than one). At the wedding, she was talking about how Eddie's mom (or grandma?) only spoke spanish. So they are pretty old school, un-acculturated. My mom gets all fucked up on how to pronounce words too. It's beyond annoying

 

I don't really care who they bring back, but I would be fine never seeing Brianna or Brooks again.

Edited November 4, 2015 by bravofan27

[Duke2801]

If Vicki had just stayed with Donn who really had cancer she could have legitimately garnered sympathy. I will never understand why she left him for Brooks.

 

Because love tanks...  and affirmations!!

I’ll bet Don never made her a goddamn casserole either!  :*(

[happykitteh]

Nah I think if we saw Vicki in real life amongst real people, you’d see that she is not a large woman at all. I’ll bet she’s around a size 8 – 10 at the very most.

Vicki has 3 things against her that makes her appear “larger” on our tv screens: 1) she is on TV … automatic 10-15 pounds there. 2) she is usually around women who are a size 0-2.  Even Shannon at her “fat” (referring to HER wording – I never thought that!) stage was probably never more than a size 4. And 3) she wears clothes that are wrong for her shape and size.  She still wants to be that slender size 4/6 she was in seasons 1-2 and she’s just not anymore.

 

Agree about Brianna tho.

 

Yeah, the too tight clothes really do her a disservice. If she would wear the proper size insead of 2 sizes too small she would actually LOOK 2 sizes smaller than she does now. A good support bra and more coverage in that area would help too. Hanging out those sagging breast give her an overall lumpy, sloppy look.

[motorcitymom65]

At the fitness center, Brooks said that he was starting revesteral with a doctor that Heather might know. Heather later said, "that doctor did cellulite treatments--- when did he move to treating cancer?" Brooks said that this guy healed himself and he was starting the reversteral blasts starting tomorrow.

 

I thought that was really interesting at the time. Why would Brooks automatically assume that Heather would know this doctor? Does he think that because she is married to a doctor she knows all the other doctors in the OC? Then she said in her TH that she went to this doctor after the twins were born for cellulite treatments, so she outed herself as receiving the treatment. I wonder if she thought about it at the time - that he would specifically mention that she might know a doctor who specialized in cellulite on camera? If she wondered at the time if he knew that she had been a patient? The whole thing is just strange to me, especially considering the fact that we now know this doctor supposedly told Brooks all about Heather's treament.

[LydiaOhLydia]

I don't know why everyone thinks that Vicki was paying for all of Brooks' expenses. Vicki is one cheap tightwad and only doles out cash when it makes her look good and she will let everyone know. Before Brooks moved in with Vicki, he had his own apartment in RSM. Vicki has also said that when Brooks did move in with her, she charged him rent. I don't think Brooks' income was large, especially compared to Vicki's Bravo salary, but he was making money (including whatever Bravo paid him). I think Vicki paid for most of the extras such as vacations.

I imagined he paid rent in the form of washing her cars.

[pamme64]

I don't see how Vicki could just sit in the waiting room for four hours and not check in with someone to see how he's doing. Where did Brooks go during that time. I doubt they'd let him just sit in a chemo chair and shoot the shit. He probably snuck down to the cafeteria and hit on the nurses.

And does anyone ever just take half a Xanax??

::::::sheepishlywavinghand::::::  me.  total lightweight.  however, i am still more animated then vicki was on her half.....  

[WireWrap]

I thought that was really interesting at the time. Why would Brooks automatically assume that Heather would know this doctor? Does he think that because she is married to a doctor she knows all the other doctors in the OC? Then she said in her TH that she went to this doctor after the twins were born for cellulite treatments, so she outed herself as receiving the treatment. I wonder if she thought about it at the time - that he would specifically mention that she might know a doctor who specialized in cellulite on camera? If she wondered at the time if he knew that she had been a patient? The whole thing is just strange to me, especially considering the fact that we now know this doctor supposedly told Brooks all about Heather's treament.

I think by the time Heather filmed her TH that she knew the resveratrol Dr had spoken in depth about her treatment to Brooks and that Brooks/Vicki were spreading that information around to the other HWs. Even though Heather did not directly question Brooks cancer claim she didn't cut it off when the others did and IMO, it was because Brooks/Vicki had no problem telling the others about Heathers private medical information that she, herself, had not chosen to share with anyone or use it as a storyline. Shortly after the CUT scene was filmed, I think Heather found out and that is when we see her hesitation when Tamra/Meghan questioned Brooks cancer claim disappear.

[bravofan27]

I think the doctor who did the cellulite treatments just told Brooks he knew her. When you go to the doctor you make small talk and Brooks probably bragged about knowing heather and terry. I don't think the doctor talked about knowing her as a patient. At least, that's not the way it sounded. When Brooks told Heather she might know him, it sounded like he was saying she just might know him. That's it. Brooks seemed to think it was cool that he runs in the same circles as she does. I just thought he was bragging and trying to put himself on a different level, socially. 

 

My impression was always that Heather volunteered the cellulite treatment stuff to make the point that this guy is in no way a doctor that treats cancer and that it was in her words, hanky. I never got the impression ever that Brooks and Vicki were spreading around Heather cellulite treatments. Did she say that they were? That doesn't make sense to me. 

Edited November 5, 2015 by bravofan27

[Giselle]

Because love tanks...  and affirmations!!

I’ll bet Don never made her a goddamn casserole either!  :*(

 

The bitch was never home to eat it.

[zoeysmom]

I think the doctor who did the cellulite treatments just told Brooks he knew her. When you go to the doctor you make small talk and Brooks probably bragged about knowing heather and terry. I don't think the doctor talked about knowing her as a patient. At least, that's not the way it sounded. When Brooks told Heather she might know him, it sounded like he was saying she just might know him. That's it. Brooks seemed to think it was cool that he runs in the same circles as she does. I just thought he was bragging and trying to put himself on a different level, socially. 

 

My impression was always that Heather volunteered the cellulite treatment stuff to make the point that this guy is in no way a doctor that treats cancer and that it was in her words, hanky. I never got the impression ever that Brooks and Vicki were spreading around Heather cellulite treatments. Did she say that they were? That doesn't make sense to me. 

According to Heather's Podcast the doctor went into detail with Brooks what he did to her and for what and when he did it.  Brooks and Vicki then called Tamra and gave her the details. Heather contacted her attorney who wrote a Cease & Desist letter to the doctor.   So when brooks made the comment, which sounded as if he was trying to give credibility to his new course of treatment Heather was ticked off.  After the doctor received the letter from Heather's attorney he called and claimed he had never treated Brooks.

[WireWrap]

I think the doctor who did the cellulite treatments just told Brooks he knew her. When you go to the doctor you make small talk and Brooks probably bragged about knowing heather and terry. I don't think the doctor talked about knowing her as a patient. At least, that's not the way it sounded. When Brooks told Heather she might know him, it sounded like he was saying she just might know him. That's it. Brooks seemed to think it was cool that he runs in the same circles as she does. I just thought he was bragging and trying to put himself on a different level, socially. 

 

My impression was always that Heather volunteered the cellulite treatment stuff to make the point that this guy is in no way a doctor that treats cancer and that it was in her words, hanky. I never got the impression ever that Brooks and Vicki were spreading around Heather cellulite treatments. Did she say that they were? That doesn't make sense to me. 

Heather talked about this on her podcast. According to her, this Dr. told Brooks that Heather was his patient and told him all about the cellulite treatment he did on Heather, going into details and then he/Vicki told Tamra/Shannon all about it. Heather found out, I think from Tamra, sent the Dr, who was already in trouble/on probation,  a C&D letter and the Dr then called Heather to tell her that Brooks was NOT his patient...ever.

 

IMO, Most likely, Brooks met this Dr somewhere at an event/bar/poker game and the (maybe drunk) Dr spilled Heathers business/private medical info after Brooks said that he knew Heather/Terry to impress the Dr. Then at CUT, Brooks reveals he is quitting chemo in favor of resveratrol based on this Dr....who Heather "might know" making it sound like he is "seeing/going to" this Dr when he was once again lying. LOL

[freeradical]

My OPINION is that Vicki fears Brooks will reveal damaging information about her MORE than she fears anything else. That fear over rides everything, including physical abuse, co-worker/friendship relationships and her daughter/family. I was in NO way dismissing the impact abuse has on a victim or how society can and often does then question if the abuse ever happened. I was talking about Vicki, NOT abuse victims in general, and what appears to be MOST important to HER, which is whatever Brooks is holding over her head to keep her quiet about any abuse.

That really would be horrible, one of the most horrible things I can imagine if Brooks is holding her hostage with information while abusing her and sabotaging all of her relationships with family, friends and co-workers. Vicki could seriously be in hell right now if she is that afraid of whatever he has on her. That would explain the xanax and her behavior. That kind of blackmail would actually mean Brooks is committing an arrestable offence.

Edited November 5, 2015 by freeradical