Episode Discussion: TFGH

[Happywatcher]

1 minute ago, Hater said:

Elizabeth Hendrickson stopped being asexual?

Yes, the actress must have relaxed at how crazy the squirting was and started acting like a human.

Then the director had her change into something less attractive and catch him tossing her legal file.

[Hater]

1 minute ago, Happywatcher said:

Yes, the actress must have relaxed at how crazy the squirting was and started acting like a human.

Then the director had her change into something less attractive and catch him tossing her legal file.

She's always given off an asexual vibe, don't think she has any real chemistry.

[LexieLily]

9 minutes ago, statsgirl said:

Jason:  "Drew is a potential liability. " (Me:  So are you going to kill him too now?)  But Carly saves him by pointing out how much like Jason he is so it will be all right.

And yet the entire basis behind the discovery of the twins and Sonny/Carly dropping Drew like a hot potato was Carly talking about how different from Jason Drew was. And really, Jason, it took you this long to figure out that Drew is a potential liability? He isn't too bright, is he?

Since when does Olivia allow Julian to spend time with Leo unsupervised?

Edited August 24, 2018 by LexieLily

[dubbel zout]

10 minutes ago, LexieLily said:

Since when does Olivia allow Julian to spend time with Leo unsupervised?

When it gives her a plot point to yell at Julian for being OMG TEH EVUL again, and deny him further visitation.

[Asp Burger]

2 hours ago, dubbel zout said:

I dread how he'll react to Terry, Elizabeth's trans friend, assuming we see Terry in a nonword situation again (or in a work situation, for that matter).

Cameron's first SORASed scene was meeting Terry briefly, and he was very casual about it. Just "Nice to meet you" and then rushing out to plant seeds for the triangle no one wants to see. It was hard to say whether he he realized she was a trans woman. In this particular case, it seems to me something a modern-day teenager would pick up quickly even across a room (the actress is lovely, but it reads strongly), but who knows what way they're going to go. Maybe he's the designated audience stand-in for learning and growing, and now he's going to be weirded out, and there was actually more significance to that being his first scene than we thought.  

Edited August 24, 2018 by Asp Burger

[Linny]

I have to think Drew squirting the sauce on Margaux was 50% an excuse to get them into her hotel room so he could investigate, 50% an excuse to get them the hell away from Jason and Carly. I don't know how it's possible, but Carly seems even more unabashedly rude since leaving Ferncliff. Margaux should have told her to get bent and enjoy all the precious fresh air she can before they inevitably meet in court again.

Oh, here we go, sanctimonious Griffin riding in on his high horse to cast aspersions on Ava over her role in the blanket debacle. Maybe instead of getting indignant over everything Ava does or doesn't do, he could do literally anything else with his time. Go bone Kiki or take a nice long run off the docks and don't act like anyone's forcing him to hang around Ava if he finds her so deplorable.

That closing scene with everyone bursting in with drawn guns would be traumatic for a healthy person, much less someone with Alzheimer's. How horrifying for Mike, and how tremendously inept of Sonny to not assess the situation before pulling a weapon. He knew Mike was home alone and easily scared and confused, he should have made sure Mike was secure and that the alarm was from a legitimate threat instead of immediately brandishing an armed gun.

[LillyB]

Sonny keeps his house so dark, he must be a vampire who is allegeric to sunlight.

[Gam2]

Several topics: I’ve watched EH in several soaps. I’ve never thought she was a good or even interesting actress. She bores me stupid in this role. She’s not believable or interesting or intriguing.  

I was having my hair done yesterday (color, highlights, cut) and discussing with my stylist how different cuts/colors look good on different face shapes, ages, etc. She said if you have to keep messing with your hair to keep it out of your eyes or behind your ears or just annoying you in some way, it’s the wrong cut for you. Listen to this Carly— It’s the Wrong Cut For You. 

[Hater]

16 minutes ago, Gam2 said:

Several topics: I’ve watched EH in several soaps. I’ve never thought she was a good or even interesting actress. She bores me stupid in this role. She’s not believable or interesting or intriguing.  

I was having my hair done yesterday (color, highlights, cut) and discussing with my stylist how different cuts/colors look good on different face shapes, ages, etc. She said if you have to keep messing with your hair to keep it out of your eyes or behind your ears or just annoying you in some way, it’s the wrong cut for you. Listen to this Carly— It’s the Wrong Cut For You. 

She's very dull and definitely not believable as a DA or any type of lawyer.  It just falls flat.  I actually thought she sprang up in that scene with Carly today but that was more of LW being LW and bringing out the she beast.  Everything else, "meh."  Just another useless soap opera plant trying to reclaim something old.   FV never strives to be fresh...

Edited August 24, 2018 by Hater

[TVbitch]

Oh no. Fuck. Now Sonny is going to make scaring the living shit out of his ill father all about poor Sonny. I see he finally managed to tear up today. No so much over his dead grandson or his son's loss, but about HIM possibly going to a baseball game.

Soooo, there are not security cameras all over Sonny's house that the guard shack would have looked at before just bursting in with weapons drawn? 

[jsbt]

I don't really think there is an active or conscious attempt to pattern the Webber boys' personalities around their fathers - I can't recall the last time a soap gave soap kids that much thought into a child or even young teen's inner life. (Everything with Spencer was largely gags and bits of hammy business for Nicolas Bechtel) I do think Cam is being played as the rebellious and at times insensitive young archetype, which is pretty standard stuff. I don't think anyone at the show has spared a thought for Zander or Cameron's paternity in over a decade. And Jake and Aiden, I think it's mostly just 'nice kid.' But I did think they were all reasonably decent, even the littlest one. If the show had an actual strong writing team and overall creative foundation you could dig into that, but they won't.

That Nelle backstory near the end of her run is wild as hell. I'm always amused when they whip this shit up out of nowhere because a character has gone south, and then it gets all elaborate. Speaking of pointless characters, is Claudette still dead? What happened there?

Have they explained how Ryan is alive?

Edited August 24, 2018 by jsbt

[Perkie]

2 hours ago, TVbitch said:

Soooo, there are not security cameras all over Sonny's house that the guard shack would have looked at before just bursting in with weapons drawn? 

If there are cameras, than they can record nefarious activies which the mobster wouldn't want, so I can beleive that there isn't any.  

[Happywatcher]

2 hours ago, Hater said:

She's very dull and definitely not believable as a DA or any type of lawyer.  It just falls flat.  I actually thought she sprang up in that scene with Carly today but that was more of LW being LW and bringing out the she beast.  Everything else, "meh."  Just another useless soap opera plant trying to reclaim something old.   FV never strives to be fresh...

90% agree, 10% disagree. I had posted that she has no chem with anyone. At the time even with/during the Carly scene.

Once the director had the hot sauce squirted on her, and props for it not being a cleavage shot, I thought that for the first time the actress started acting human and likable and as if she was enjoying being there. Then she caught him going through her files. But I think the sheer crazy nature of the scene made EH the actress loosen up and be human

[Perkie]

5 hours ago, statsgirl said:

And the question of which Cassadine was in the car.

I doubt it was Valentin, the hands were too manly!

Ten bucks says it's Mikkos, who isn't dead because not dead is all the rage these days.

 

Re Aiden, I'm pretty sure it was the same actor.  It's just that we haven't seen him in so long, he's aged a little.  Both him and Hudson are little cuties, though Hudson needs a better haircut.  Also cute is new Leo.  

[Happywatcher]

5 minutes ago, Perkie said:

If there are cameras, than they can record nefarious activies which the mobster wouldn't want, so I can beleive that there isn't any.  

I had read how the FBI used lip readers against the mob in New York via cameras in a rented apartment pointed at a social club, so Sonny not having cameras makes sense if PC is a little in real life land

Edited August 25, 2018 by Happywatcher
wrote mod instead of mob

[LillyB]

The Leo actor looks a lot like DZ so it is believable that they are brothers.

[Melgaypet]

4 minutes ago, Perkie said:

Ten bucks says it's Mikkos, who isn't dead because not dead is all the rage these days.

Unless you're Stefan. #bitter #neverforget #favoritecassadine

[CharethCutestory]

3 hours ago, LillyB said:

Sonny keeps his house so dark, he must be a vampire who is allegeric to sunlight.

LOL Sonny is as moody as a vampire. Moody Mooby. He already has the dracula hair. And it would explain the OTT spray tan...

2 hours ago, TVbitch said:

Soooo, there are not security cameras all over Sonny's house that the guard shack would have looked at before just bursting in with weapons drawn? 

No. All these super rich people with enemy lists a mile long have pinched a penny on at home surveillance systems. It's why Julian could plant the blankie back at the Q mansion without a care in the world. 

2 hours ago, Hater said:

She's very dull and definitely not believable as a DA or any type of lawyer.  It just falls flat.  I actually thought she sprang up in that scene with Carly today but that was more of LW being LW and bringing out the she beast.  Everything else, "meh."  Just another useless soap opera plant trying to reclaim something old.   FV never strives to be fresh...

Agreed. She's flat and forced and I want her written out yesterday. I'm all for a DA that comes full force for the Corinthii but EH is miscast for the role. The one moment I thought she came across with some life and depth was at the very end when she told Drew, "Don't touch that!" about the flash drive. I'm serious. That tiny little moment. Because it was finally an honest reaction and she wasn't trying to awkwardly woo Drew or play hard ass lawyer lady.

5 hours ago, statsgirl said:

And the question of which Cassadine was in the car.

Stefan or bust. 

[statsgirl]

Stefan isn't evil enough to do this plot, or at least he wasn't. Stavros in the other hand .....  Mikkos must be around 100 by now but maybe he bought a fountain of youth.

The Leo kid is cute but he's not an actor.  Poor WdV was really working there.  And when Griffin told him to hold the water bottle, his hand flopped (which would have indicated neurological damage. Griffin didn't even look in his eyes to see if he might have had a concussion.  That was not only a badly written scene to redeem Griffin, it was badly directed.

[Cheyanne11]

Has Carly converted to Amish?  Because I'd hardly call one kiss and sitting across from each other at a table in a restaurant "hot and heavy."  

Also, it's not Margeux'a fault Carly tried to con the justice system.  In conclusion, shut up She-beast.

[teenj12]

10 hours ago, dubbel zout said:

I find Cam a generic bratty teen. It would have been so much more interesting to me to have Cam support Aiden wanting Princess Kalinda pencils even as he (Cam) knew it probably spelled teasing in Aiden's future. But his brother's happiness is more important, and besides, he's got Aidan's back with the bullies. But no, we get Mr. "Ew, princesses are for girls" instead. I dread how he'll react to Terry, Elizabeth's trans friend, assuming we see Terry in a nonword situation again (or in a work situation, for that matter).

What's weird is that as a kid, Cameron was into art and origami. Things that aren't strongly viewed as masculine. Guess that slipped from these writers' memories.

[Tenshinhan]

12 hours ago, dubbel zout said:

I find Cam a generic bratty teen. It would have been so much more interesting to me to have Cam support Aiden wanting Princess Kalinda pencils even as he (Cam) knew it probably spelled teasing in Aiden's future. But his brother's happiness is more important, and besides, he's got Aidan's back with the bullies. But no, we get Mr. "Ew, princesses are for girls" instead. I dread how he'll react to Terry, Elizabeth's trans friend, assuming we see Terry in a nonword situation again (or in a work situation, for that matter).

Personally I think it's much more interesting having a non-supportive Cameron than an understanding one.  Especially if it puts him at odds with the entire family.  Or maybe Liz would even somehow side with Cameron against Franco and the other boys.  The Terry component would add even more potential conflict.  I suspect Cam realizing that Aiden's happiness is most important is where the story might end up anyhow.

[30 Helens]

I assume the Princess Kalinda scene was setting up a Teachable Moment about gender fluidity that will involve Terry.  I also assume the actress was hired for just such a purpose, rather than as a friend of Liz’s who just happens to be trans. I further assume the show will handle the whole thing very, very badly and in the end, it will probably all be about Sonny somehow.

 

On 8/23/2018 at 9:00 PM, LexieLily said:

Jason and Carly really need to have an affair or at least just sex and get it over with.

I have been advocating for this for awhile, not because I think the actors have any special chemistry or need any more screen time, but because this is literally the only thing I can think of that would shake up that tiresome quadrangle and give them some new emotions to play.  And if handled well (I know, big “if”), I think it could actually be a good story.  I really thought they were going there when the 3 Months On The Run were being mentioned constantly. Makes me wonder if there was a last minute change of plans.

Speaking of chemistry (or lack thereof), did I read somewhere that BM and new DA actress used to date? If it ended badly, that could explain the awkwardness and disinterest that comes across in their scenes.

[jsbt]

Jason will never fuck Carly again as long as Steve Burton is in the role. Ever. E-V-E-R.

[Happywatcher]

21 hours ago, CharethCutestory said:

LOL Sonny is as moody as a vampire. Moody Mooby. He already has the dracula hair. And it would explain the OTT spray tan...

 

I don't think we realized Port Charles was awesome, at the time. Let's bring back the vampires.

Edited August 25, 2018 by Happywatcher

[Ambrosefolly]

5 hours ago, 30 Helens said:

I assume the Princess Kalinda scene was setting up a Teachable Moment about gender fluidity that will involve Terry.  I also assume the actress was hired for just such a purpose, rather than as a friend of Liz’s who just happens to be trans. I further assume the show will handle the whole thing very, very badly and in the end, it will probably all be about Sonny somehow.

 

Don't worry. Franco is involved, this is one of the few times when Sonny or Jason don't have to be irratatingly inserted to the story because we got the other story line hog.  Just like Liz's rape, this will be all about him and how he constantly crosses boundaries and steps in when Liz should be handling things  enlightend and awesome Franco is. So Cam, a character that GH dragged it feet for nearly a decade to SORAS, will be depicted as some jerk kid with no nuance, to prop up Franco. 

[Cheyanne11]

4 hours ago, jsbt said:

Jason will never fuck Carly again as long as Steve Burton is in the role. Ever. E-V-E-R.

I agree with this.  I think SBu is actually fine not having any romantic interests.  The only care he has is being front and center, and if that's just as Sonny and Carly's hench/yes man, than that's cool with him. 

Question: who is Sonny going to blame for scaring Mike half to death with him and Jason (and faceless bodyguard) coming at him with guns blazing?  Ava's not there, Julian's not there, Nelle's not there.  And if there's no one else besides him to point the finger at, did it even happen? 

[statsgirl]

10 hours ago, Tenshinhan said:

Personally I think it's much more interesting having a non-supportive Cameron than an understanding one.  Especially if it puts him at odds with the entire family.  Or maybe Liz would even somehow side with Cameron against Franco and the other boys.

The idea of Liz dealing with a rebellious teen after having been the queen of rebellious teens herself is the only thing that might make this story interesting. Otherwise it just becomes Cameron as the Bad Boy to Oscar as the good one for the Joss triangle.

(Who in the world thought that a romantic triangle for 14 year olds was interesting?  Oh, wait, the people who thought that the Spencer/Emma/Cameron eight y year old triangle was a winner.)

[Kiki777]

Before Mike found and activated the panic button, I really did think that he would find of the many guns that I'm sure are hidden around the house, and shoot at Sonny.  The circle of life- Sonny shoots Dante and Mike shoots Sonny.  Of course he wouldn't have the decency to die ever but it would still be cool.

please please please let the Mystery Cassadine be Stefan!  I miss him.  I don't even care if he comes back evil.

[tvfanatic13]

On 8/23/2018 at 9:34 PM, Bringonthedrama said:

I can't recall - did Ryan even ever interact with Carly back in the Ryan/Kevin storyline(s) of the '90s? I assume that Carly and Kevin knew who each other was because Kevin was BFFs with Carly's mortal enemy's uncle and Kevin and Tony Jones were both doctors at GH. Then in recent history Kevin married Laura, Carly's now ex-aunt. 

I have been watching this fakakta show since 1979, but I don’t for the life of me know to whom you are referring as “Carly’s mortal enemy’s uncle.”  

[GHScorpiosRule]

1 minute ago, tvfanatic13 said:

I have been watching this fakakta show since 1979, but I don’t for the life of me know to whom you are referring as “Carly’s mortal enemy’s uncle.”  

Mortal Enemy=Robin.

Ergo, Robin’s Uncle Mac. Mac and Kevin were best buds and I ADORED their friendship.

[Perkie]

How can any of the Cassadine men be involved in this Cassandra mess, they're all dead (Mikkos, Stefan, Stavros (please stay dead), Victor and Nik).  I know bringing people back from the dead every 2 months to create a non sensical story that will change nothing is the new thing, but still.  The only one I would accept is Nik, if he's played by Nick Stabile who took over for Tyler in that last story.  He had nice chemistry with Maura, and Ava's single now and ready to mingle.  

The only other male Cassadine is Spencer!

[TeeVee329]

On 8/24/2018 at 11:11 AM, Cheyanne11 said:

Yes, but she thought it was about him being away from Laura on his birthday.  

Hmmm.  I still have to watch, will I get some good Lucy/Kevin feels from this or is it all just more set-up for Carly's next big storyline? #eyeroll

4 hours ago, Perkie said:

The only one I would accept is Nik, if he's played by Nick Stabile who took over for Tyler in that last story.  He had nice chemistry with Maura, and Ava's single now and ready to mingle.  

That could also tie into the Genie Francis return, a Nikolas resurrection.

I hope it's not Stefan, how SN handled his exit from DOOL kinda bugged.  And these writers could never get the character right.

Edited August 25, 2018 by TeeVee329

[nilyank]

5 hours ago, TeeVee329 said:

I hope it's not Stefan, how SN handled his exit from DOOL kinda bugged.  And these writers could never get the character right.

I doubt it is Stefan as he is superior Cassadine to Valentin in every single way. And unlike Nik's family from the Spencer side, Stefan wouldn't think twice about killing the man that murdered Nikolas whom he raised as his own son.

[TeeVee329]

It's more that I could see Frank being all, "Oooh, I can steal Stephen Nichols, that'll shows Days" or whatever.

[coffee drinker]

On 8/23/2018 at 10:48 PM, jsbt said:

Suddenly all three of Liz's boys are not terrible kid actors and I'm a little shocked tbh. Surprised how much they seem to be willing to lean on Hudson West(?) considering he isn't a smug machine like Bechtel.

It's a shame Roger Howarth isn't playing literally anyone else bc he works well with Becky and kids. They could've made him so many folks if they had to have him. But he's still gotta die.

Also he's officially too old to be saying 'bee-tee-dubs.' Stop with that shit, Roger.

Yup.  The actors do work very well together, I just can't abide by it having to be Franco.  Too much baggage history with that particular character.  It's always bugged me that Elizabeth also slept with Zander when he was involved in that roofie drug drama with her and her friends a few years before.  

[MarciNJ]

I am only starting the Wed episode of last week, but why was Alexis unable to go to the funeral because she had to prepare for her upcoming meeting about the adoption?  But, it turns out that the meeting was with Diane, who did attend the funeral. Is she a better attorney? Was she less prepared? Are these 2 the only attorneys in town? And, they specialize in adoptions/divorce, murder, and everything in between? (and, is the birth mother from Port Charles?  GMAB)

Ugh, looks like an "emotional" scene with Sonny/Michael coming up.  Time to multitask.....  Sounds like some good Kevin/Ryan stuff coming up if I can get thru this episode.

[TeeVee329]

So I finally got a chance to watch the Lucy/Kevin scenes from Thursday and, yes, they gave me feels. 

Lynn Herring was really wonderful throughout.  I loved how Lucy came chirping up to Kevin at the bar - and she called him Doc, yay! - but when she saw his face, she immediately got concerned and brought it down a notch.  I also loved what Lucy said about having loved Kevin in one way or another for a better part of her life, the best parts (awww!), and how she could tell that he was sliding into a dark place because she's been there with him before, both on this show and "Port Charles".  She's got that history with him in a way that Laura - sorry, LexieLily! - just does not and I'm really sad that she's likely to be a minor footnote in this Kevin/Ryan story.

Which is already not about Kevin.  When he was pleading with the orderly at the asylum about the dangerous man on the loose threatening to destroy everyone he loves?  1) Ryan's not doing any destroying at all, he's just moping around and wasting time being nice to Carly and Jason, of all people.  And 2) most of the people Kevin loves - Laura, Lucy, Felicia and Mac, the stepdaughters he raised - are not on-screen.  My theory is that this Kevin/Ryan stuff is a brainchild of CVE, as was the Faison stuff earlier in this year, but he's being forced to stitch these stories in with the Sonny/Carly/Jason trinity, which is why the Faison stuff was mostly about Jason and this seems to be a story for Carly (the Friz stans can also miss me with their insistence that Franco should be a big part of the story because Kevin was his therapist.  Not.).

Edited August 26, 2018 by TeeVee329

[LexieLily]

10 minutes ago, TeeVee329 said:

So I finally got a chance to watch the Lucy/Kevin scenes from Thursday and, yes, they gave me feels. 

Lynn Herring was really wonderful throughout.  I loved how Lucy came chirping up to Kevin at the bar - and she called him Doc, yay! - but when she saw his face, she immediately got concerned and brought it down a notch.  I also loved what Lucy said about having loved Kevin in one way or another for a better part of her life, the best parts (awww!), and how she could tell that he was sliding into a dark place because she's been there with him before, both on this show and "Port Charles".  She's got that history with him in a way that Laura - sorry, LexieLily! - just does not and I'm really sad that she's likely to be a minor footnote in this Kevin/Ryan story.

Which is already not about Kevin.  When he was pleading with the orderly at the asylum about the dangerous man on the loose threatening to destroy everyone he loves?  1) Ryan's not doing any destroying at all, he's just moping around and wasting time being nice to Carly and Jason, of all people.  And 2) most of the people Kevin loves - Laura, Lucy, Felicia and Mac, the stepdaughters he raised - are not on-screen.  My theory is that this Kevin/Ryan stuff is a brainchild of CVE, as was the Faison stuff earlier in this year, but he's being forced to stitch these stories in with the Sonny/Carly/Jason trinity, which is why the Faison stuff was mostly about Jason and this seems to be a story for Carly (the Friz stans can also miss me with their insistence that Franco should be a big part of the story because Kevin was his therapist.  Not.).

Ha, I read my name so I feel compelled to answer, @TeeVee329. As long as Lucy doesn't start sniffing around Kevin again since Laura is gone (and thankfully they haven't gone in that direction, though I suspect it is more of the writers and Frank not caring enough about these characters to give them such a story), I can see the Lucy/Kevin scenes for what they are and it's nice that Kevin has someone to look out for him.

As to your second point, this is what I was afraid of when it comes to this story. Of the people Kevin loves, Laura and Spencer are in France, presumably, Mac, Felicia and Lucy live mostly off-screen but seem happy, and one of his stepdaughters is in Paris and one doesn't exist in this canon. Kevin and especially Ryan don't love Carly and Jason, I don't know that Ryan even knows them and before this story Kevin barely interacted with Carly/Jason/Sonny, so when I read speculation that Ryan is now going to be obsessed with Carly it makes no sense to me. I wasn't watching in the OG Ryan days, but he must have had a reason for making Felicia his target. (I assume because she was the wife of Kevin's BFF?)

[TeeVee329]

7 minutes ago, LexieLily said:

I wasn't watching in the OG Ryan days, but he must have had a reason for making Felicia his target. (I assume because she was the wife of Kevin's BFF?)

Ryan actually predates Kevin.  I wasn't watching then either, but IIRC from secondary sources, Ryan was a doctor at the hospital and developed this obsession with Felicia.  After he was captured, Kevin came to town, shocking everyone by looking identical to Ryan, to treat his brother.  And eventually, Ryan did just what he's doing now, swapped places with Kevin and, I believe, kidnapped baby Georgie.

Edited August 26, 2018 by TeeVee329

[nilyank]

21 minutes ago, TeeVee329 said:

Which is already not about Kevin.  When he was pleading with the orderly at the asylum about the dangerous man on the loose threatening to destroy everyone he loves?  1) Ryan's not doing any destroying at all, he's just moping around and wasting time being nice to Carly and Jason, of all people.  And 2) most of the people Kevin loves - Laura, Lucy, Felicia and Mac, the stepdaughters he raised - are not on-screen.  My theory is that this Kevin/Ryan stuff is a brainchild of CVE, as was the Faison stuff earlier in this year, but he's being forced to stitch these stories in with the Sonny/Carly/Jason trinity, which is why the Faison stuff was mostly about Jason and this seems to be a story for Carly (the Friz stans can also miss me with their insistence that Franco should be a big part of the story because Kevin was his therapist.  Not.).

I don't think that the switch has been made yet. The brothers still have called each other by anything except brother. The things that the patient said would be things that the real Ryan would say to manipulate the gullible orderly. If it was really Kevin, he would start insisting on the orderly contacting Mac, Felicia, Lucy, the cops, Anna, hell even Sonny and Jason so that they could make sure his family and loved ones are safe from Ryan and to get him out of there.

But Ryan knows better than getting any of those people because they would start questioning who is the real Ryan and real Kevin. Ryan would have to keep in character and hope that he could fool the people that know Kevin the best. Kevin wouldn't have those same fears because he could tell a million details about his life that Ryan would have no idea about.

[LexieLily]

All of this just begs the questions - how did Ryan escape the funhouse fire and where has he been all of this time if not in Ferncliff? Why has Kevin been keeping him there? (There is also Laura and Spencer's infinite time in France and Spencer's accident which sounds a million times more nefarious now.)

[TeeVee329]

10 minutes ago, nilyank said:

I don't think that the switch has been made yet. The brothers still have called each other by anything except brother. The things that the patient said would be things that the real Ryan would say to manipulate the gullible orderly. If it was really Kevin, he would start insisting on the orderly contacting Mac, Felicia, Lucy, the cops, Anna, hell even Sonny and Jason so that they could make sure his family and loved ones are safe from Ryan and to get him out of there.

But Ryan knows better than getting any of those people because they would start questioning who is the real Ryan and real Kevin. Ryan would have to keep in character and hope that he could fool the people that know Kevin the best. Kevin wouldn't have those same fears because he could tell a million details about his life that Ryan would have no idea about.

Those are all good points, I didn't really think about it like that because these writers are lazy and they've, in the past, made the switch, dragged it out too long, and then revealed it to an audience that already knew, a la Anna and Alex. Fluke, etc.

I was thinking, if it was Ryan Lucy saw, that that explained why he was actually kinda mean to her, that he was trying to avoid engaging in a conversation with someone who knows the real Kevin so well, better to talk to narbos like Carly and Jason.  But then the phone call to Laura.  Ryan might call Laura to check in and avoid suspicion, but would he get all plead-y about her coming home?  Probably not.  So yeah, I dunno.

Edited August 26, 2018 by TeeVee329

[statsgirl]

Why is the patient in a straightjacket?  I figured it was Kevin in Ferncliffe because if he were out, he would know that there is no reason to put Ryan in a straightjacket. when there are major tranquilizers available.  (Also real hospitals don't use them.)

2 hours ago, LexieLily said:

so when I read speculation that Ryan is now going to be obsessed with Carly it makes no sense to me.

I'm okay with Ryan being obsessed with Carly in the same way that I am -- namely that she is a SheBeast and must go.  But admiring her?  Nuh-huh.

She's not as pretty as Felicia was/is and she's so shallow, why would he find her interesting?  Then again, at least it's a change from everyone being obsessed with Jason.

Why is the patient in a straightjacket?  I figured it was Kevin in Ferncliffe because if he were out, he would know that there is no reason to put Ryan in a straightjacket. when there are major tranquilizers/anti-psycho available.  (Also real hospitals don't use them.)

2 hours ago, LexieLily said:

so when I read speculation that Ryan is now going to be obsessed with Carly it makes no sense to me.

I'm okay with Ryan being obsessed with Carly in the same way that I am -- namely that she is a SheBeast and must go.  But admiring her?  Nuh-huh.

She's not as pretty as Felicia was/is and she's so shallow, why would he find her interesting?  Then again, at least it's a change from everyone being obsessed with Jason.

Edited August 26, 2018 by statsgirl

[NutmegsDad]

On 8/24/2018 at 3:07 PM, LexieLily said:

 

Since when does Olivia allow Julian to spend time with Leo unsupervised?

That bothered me too, since Olivia can tell lower Manhattan how teh evul the Jeromes are, just from Port Charles, and how despicable Julian is being in the same time zone as her son.

 

Then, by the end of the episode, I realized Leo was a plot device to drop a truth bomb on Ava. 

[NutmegsDad]

On 8/24/2018 at 8:46 PM, Perkie said:

I doubt it was Valentin, the hands were too manly!

Ten bucks says it's Mikkos, who isn't dead because not dead is all the rage these days.

 

 

I just noticed Steven Nichols just left DAYS. It would be interesting if it was connected, but I still want my  Nicholas back (regenerated as Peter Capaldi, of course).

[Happywatcher]

4 hours ago, MarciNJ said:

I am only starting the Wed episode of last week, but why was Alexis unable to go to the funeral because she had to prepare for her upcoming meeting about the adoption?  But, it turns out that the meeting was with Diane, who did attend the funeral. Is she a better attorney? Was she less prepared? Are these 2 the only attorneys in town? And, they specialize in adoptions/divorce, murder, and everything in between? (and, is the birth mother from Port Charles?  GMAB)

Ugh, looks like an "emotional" scene with Sonny/Michael coming up.  Time to multitask.....  Sounds like some good Kevin/Ryan stuff coming up if I can get thru this episode.

They tried guest starring in an actress on a short run to be an attorney, but then the show runner messed it up by having her sleep with moobster. I think they need to do more of that. Ditto, run in some outside doctors and cops on short term contracts and move the mob family to recurring status

[Melgaypet]

6 hours ago, TeeVee329 said:

Ryan actually predates Kevin.  I wasn't watching then either, but IIRC from secondary sources, Ryan was a doctor at the hospital and developed this obsession with Felicia.  After he was captured, Kevin came to town, shocking everyone by looking identical to Ryan, to treat his brother.  And eventually, Ryan did just what he's doing now, swapped places with Kevin and, I believe, kidnapped baby Georgie.

Yes, Ryan came first. He was a pediatrician at GH. Straining my poor memory banks, but I think he might have been Maxie’s pediatrician, in fact, and that’s how he met Felicia.

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7 minutes ago, Melgaypet said:

Yes, Ryan came first. He was a pediatrician at GH. Straining my poor memory banks, but I think he might have been Maxie’s pediatrician, in fact, and that’s how he met Felicia.

Ryan did come first and he knew Felicia back in Texas. When Felicia came back to Port Charles, she had partial amnesia caused by something that Ryan did to her. He gained her confidence before Felicia realized that she knew him and that he was dangerous.

[Oracle42]

On 8/24/2018 at 2:05 AM, Oracle42 said:

Did he? I feel like Drew gets more credit than he deserves just because Jason sucks so much

 

On 8/24/2018 at 6:54 AM, ouinason said:

Drew made it clear he wouldn't work for Sonny, he and Sam were going to straight up leave town to get away from the mob stuff before he bought the company for her, to completely separate themselves from that old life.  That is like 50 billion times more effort that Jason has ever made.  He even told Carly that his family came first, obviously a sign of evil.

Yeah, that's kinda what I mean. Drew isn't Jason; he doesn't have any real bond with Carly, he has anti-chem with Sonny and he barely interacted with them after his first year - so walking away from them wasn't an actual sacrifice for him.

Drew and Sam talked about leaving town, but they didn't do it. They didn't even come close to it. And again, since he wasn't Jason, not an actual sacrifice

Drew didn't buy the company for Sam. He strong-armed Julian into undervaluing and selling his media company* and then invited Sam to work there with him. If he'd bought a company for her, it probably would've been a company that focused on something she was passionate about, or at minimum, something in which she'd ever expressed an interest. I don't think for one second that Drew stifled her or forced her to work at the media company - but I also don't remember her doing anything but wearing "business clothes" , shuffling papers around and giving a (totally unearned) job to a friend of a friend. They hired Peter because neither of them knew anything about the company, let alone the industry. The media company is still literally the dumbest story for Jason and Sam that I've ever seen, and they had a story about a ballroom dancing doppelgänger.

I totally support moving characters out of the mob bubble, but Aurora is dumb.

 

*I assume because Y&R's Billy had a media company