Episode Discussion: TFGH

[statsgirl]

Yeah, I didn't phrase that well about Monica being allowed access to Jason's kids because there was only Jake and she didn't know about him. But that just substantiates my point, that The Borg kept Monica from knowing she had a grandson.  If it were still him, Danny and Scout would be spending time with Avery's nanny rather than with Monica.  We may not have seen BMJason interacting with the kids and Monica but at least he let Monica finally be the grandmother and spend time with the kids.

[Auntie Velvet]

1 hour ago, Linny said:

Carly should have asked what last name Drew was using so they know who specifically they need to research

Unless I dreamed it, Kim said it's Andrew King. 

[Auntie Velvet]

I hope they don't do a double-blind thingie where the Jasons were switched as teens. It's just too complex.

Yes, Jason Q and Jason Miller are more alike in personality. But it would be less crazy to simply understand that Andrew and Jason Q had a lot of personality traits in common before Jason's accident as a teen changed his personality.  

[Oracle42]

8 hours ago, statsgirl said:

We may not have seen BMJason interacting with the kids and Monica but at least he let Monica finally be the grandmother and spend time with the kids.

That wasn't Jason, that was Sam. Danny was spending time with Monica and the Qs while Jason was still "dead". I'm pretty sure Danny was there with Edward's other children/grandchildren/great-grandchildren when Edward died and I know that he had his own room in Monica's house. Jason Miller didn't fight her on Danny having a relationship with them, but he didn't initiate it. 

Edited November 28, 2017 by Oracle42

[ulkis]

40 minutes ago, Auntie Velvet said:

Unless I dreamed it, Kim said it's Andrew King. 

It was Cain. 

[Bringonthedrama]

5 hours ago, HeatLifer said:

I just don't see this the same way as some of you guys have, which is fine. The only child BMJason significantly interacted with was Jake. And he barely interacted with Monica, as most of the time she was off-screen babysitting his other two kids. Otherwise, BMJason was doing a lot of the activities that SBuJason did. Until recently (aka the plot point to have him "choose family" to introduce SBu back), the difference was never in WHAT they were doing (IMO), it was HOW they portrayed the character.

BMJason started interacting with Monica when he was Jake Doe. For example, he told Monica he was interested in listening her talk about her family history.  IMO, the actor plays Jason as having more warmth toward, and compassion for,  Monica than SBJason had for some years.  I though SBJason inviting Monica to have Thanksgiving at Casa Corinthos was an example of that. While he may not know that Sonny murdered AJ, he does remember all the hell that Sonny and Carly have put the Q Family through. But he's choosing to ignore Monica's history of pain regarding them, because being there for S&C and Michael will always be his top priority.  Billy Miller just has not played Jason as so utterly devoted to S&C and their kids as Steve played him.  Even now, there is far more love and joy in SBJason's face when he sees Michael than when he sees Danny (now knowing the kid is his son).  

[rur]

16 hours ago, statsgirl said:

Also why did Kim and Oscar leave before the turkey was done?  Did Sonny time it that badly?  How long was she there and it was still cooking?  Also that was a b.s. excuse for leaving no one receives notice about a grant application on Thanksgiving.

 

I figured Kim was probably internally reeling from the shock of seeing Jason, and rather than spend the next few hours staring at the man who (we all know) looks just like Oscar's father, she came up with a marginally credible excuse. After learning about Drew being and being interrogated by Sonny and Carly about him, I'm sure she was happy to stick to that excuse and hightail it out of there. 

Edited November 28, 2017 by rur
grammar

[jsbt]

20 hours ago, ulkis said:

I still don't really get why they never just made SBr Carly again when they had the chance.

Male ego and the potential for her blowing a lot of the other male stars off the screen, just as she did in her first run. Bringing a woman with that kind of screen power back would've thrown off the show paradigm.

That doesn't just extend to the actors - Guza's 2000s run was markedly different in tone than his '90s heyday, and he had much less time for anything that didn't prioritize men with guns and trying to dry run his cable TV ambitions. He used to tout Sarah, Nancy Lee Grahn and Tamara Braun as some of his favorite people to write for, but in the end he trashed them all.

2 hours ago, ulkis said:

Dr Bench looks like a combination of Beaker and Dr. Bunson.

He looks ridiculous. James DePaiva playing a doctor or being on this show at all is also ridiculous. And I loved James DePaiva on OLTL.

Edited November 28, 2017 by jsbt

[Ladyrain]

35 minutes ago, ulkis said:

It was Cain. 

Oh.   Cain and Abel.   Got it, Show.

[movingtargetgal]

Wouldn't it be funny if we found out that Jason and Drew were switched back and forth on multiple occasions throughout their lives.  They were sort of like a tag team in wrestling.  Maybe they were switched so often that the masterminds lost track of which twin was which because their underlings just kept switching them because they were bored.   

Edited November 28, 2017 by movingtargetgal

[dubbel zout]

Thanks for the info on LW’s squeeze.

Are we supposed to think that Ava is hideously scarred, or are we supposed to think she’s merely hideously vain?

[nilyank]

I am going with hideously vain because we have all seen her little scar which could probably be covered up with some heavy makeup.

Helll, it appears the procedure that is going to have, will take place in a doctor’s office as an outpatient and not in operating room.

[texastornado]

3 hours ago, Auntie Velvet said:

Unless I dreamed it, Kim said it's Andrew King. 

I thought I heard Andrew Kane.

[Bringonthedrama]

I'm surprised I found things to like about the Thanksgiving episode(s):

- 15 people gathering around Monica at the Q mansion.

-Kevin remembering that Laura and Mary Mae did work on Charles St. a long time ago, and Ned assuring Laura that ELQ would not be doing anything toxic this time.

-Mac, Felicia, Anna and Robin having family time.

-TB as Kim holding her own against S&C, and offending them a bit. 

-Monica telling BMJason that S&C are not his family. She is. 

-BMJason calling Monica "Mom" when SBJason always calls her "Monica."

-ALL THREE of Elizabeth's sons on screen, wearing Pilgrim hats. Adorable!!

-Robin ignoring Carly's nosiness, and also making her uncomfortable for a moment by letting her think she was staying at Casa Corinthos for Thanksgiving dinner.

 

An annoying detail that stuck out to me: Maxie decides to spend Thanksgiving at Lulu and Dante's, knowing her parents and beloved cousin Robin with the two children are having Thanksgiving nearby? She rarely sees Robin as it is. What a terrible cousin. All of the people gathered at Lulu and Dante's live in Port Charles; Maxie could see them anytime.

[nilyank]

Well I guess Kim is going to be Maxie’s OB-GYN.

[Av9814]

I’ve seen that theory about the switch happening after the accident. The problem I have with that is the person behind the switch would’ve had to know that AJ and Jason would get into a car accident and would have had to have the twin physically hurt to mimic injuries obtained after the accident. 

 

Now I do realize this is a soap and they do bizarre things, I just hope they don’t mess with that part of history. I’d prefer Jason Quartermaine and Jason Morgan to be one man. 

[HeatLifer]

6 hours ago, ulkis said:

So Jasam had sex in a barn but Jason blamed Olivia and Julian for Sam's taxo cat thing? That seems a bit unfair.

LMAOOO.

Also LMAOOO @ Sam in this episode. So completely OOC.

Edited November 28, 2017 by HeatLifer

[Cheyanne11]

Kim freaks out and goes all "Drew, Drew, it's you!" on Jason and instead of immediately being like "you knew Drew?  That's my twin, sit, I have questions," he goes full cyborg and practically malfunctions with his "you are mistaken, I am Jason" schtick.  God, the writing is just so awful.

[ulkis]

48 minutes ago, HeatLifer said:

Also LMAOOO @ Sam in this episode. So completely OOC.

I couldn't hear what Sam was saying because all I heard was the creaking as Jason Miller slowly melded into the chair.

[HeatLifer]

16 minutes ago, ulkis said:

I couldn't hear what Sam was saying because all I heard was the creaking as Jason Miller slowly melded into the chair.

It's OK. Robin will buy him a new chair when she begs for his forgiveness when he's revealed to be Jason. 

[statsgirl]

5 hours ago, Auntie Velvet said:

Yes, Jason Q and Jason Miller are more alike in personality. But it would be less crazy to simply understand that Andrew and Jason Q had a lot of personality traits in common before Jason's accident as a teen changed his personality.  

It explains why Monica was so happy with BMJason, it was the Jason she raised.

5 hours ago, Oracle42 said:

That wasn't Jason, that was Sam. Danny was spending time with Monica and the Qs while Jason was still "dead". I'm pretty sure Danny was there with Edward's other children/grandchildren/great-grandchildren when Edward died and I know that he had his own room in Monica's house. Jason Miller didn't fight her on Danny having a relationship with them but he didn't initiate it. 

He didn't initiate it but he didn't stop it either.  SBJason would have shut that right down and directed Danny to the "good family" which was Sonny.

4 hours ago, rur said:

I figured Kim was probably internally reeling from the shock of seeing Jason, and rather spend the next few hours staring at the man who (we all know) looks just like Oscar's father, she came up with a marginally credible excuse. After learning about Drew being and being interrogated by Sonny and Carly about him, I'm sure she was happy to stick to that excuse and hightail it out of there. 

That makes sense from Kim's pov.  But it makes Sonny and Carly look even more stupid that they invited these people to Thanksgiving dinner, they're leaving before anything is even served and they just accept it.

Edited November 28, 2017 by statsgirl

[dubbel zout]

It cracked me up how combative everyone was when Kim was explaining how she knew Andrew, like she was making it all up just to screw with the troika. (That would be awesome.) They know there are twins. People are going to know them. I know the characters don’t know they’re on a soap, but Port Charles always seems to attract everyone eventually.

Thanksgiving at the Corinthos House seems like a real drag. Guests get no food, and you’re interrogated the moment you step in the door. Why couldn’t Oscar stay for dinner? He was there first anyway, so it’s not like he needed a ride.

LOL that this is the first time Carly thinks about Drew.

”Definite” vodka—oh, Show.

[Star Aristille]

9 hours ago, Auntie Velvet said:

Unless I dreamed it, Kim said it's Andrew King. 

She actually said Cain, not King.

[Asp Burger]

15 hours ago, jsbt said:

Guza's 2000s run was markedly different in tone than his '90s heyday, and he had much less time for anything that didn't prioritize men with guns and trying to dry run his cable TV ambitions.

It was, and not for the better.  My takeaway was that Wendy Riche's governing influence made all the difference. 

So far, I like Tamara Braun better in this role than I did as Carly, but I may just find her fundamentally hard to like. But so far, it matters less, because this character is not very important yet  I can't get a bead on Kim. Is the complete lack of warmth between her and Oscar intentional?  

Dissenting view: I get Ava. Yes, the remaining visible damage after The Treatment™ is not that significant, but come on. If you had that, and you knew that The Treatment™ was out there in the world and someone literally hand-delivered it to you, and all you need is some I-Can't-Believe-It's-Not-Kline substitute and you could look the way you did before a horrible accident, you'd want to do it, right? And if you were a soap character who does whatever a Spyder can, you'd really do it.  So, she's vain, yes, but I would be too. My own understanding of vanity is that we're a lot tougher on ourselves than we are on other people. You might tell someone who has some appearance issue, "You look fine!" or "You look great!" or "It [whatever the "it" is] isn't even that noticeable!" and you might mean every word of it, but when it's you, it's harder to make yourself buy it.  

Miller Jason's doubts and worries just are not that compelling to me. 

Molly's coat was the best thing about those scenes. I'm over Julexis, and conversations about Julexis, and I was never even "under" conversations about Parkina.  

I like the actor playing Ava's latest doctor. He had a good combination of charm, shadiness, and something more reassuring (intelligence? competency?).  

Unspoiled prediction: Carly comes up with a plaaaaan to get Kim and Miller Jason in the same room, hoping that at the very least, Kim will make a play for him, and in the best of all possible worlds, seeing her will stir something in Miller Jason, and it will be the first step in Sam and Burton Jason getting back together. Because that's what Burton Jason deserves! She just wants him to be happy! 

Edited November 28, 2017 by Asp Burger

[rur]

7 hours ago, dubbel zout said:

Thanksgiving at the Corinthos House seems like a real drag. Guests get no food, and you’re interrogated the moment you step in the door. Why couldn’t Oscar stay for dinner? He was there first anyway, so it’s not like he needed a ride.

I thought he should have stayed for dinner too, at first. But his mother's no fool. Since Carly and Sonny had no trouble grilling her, a stranger, about the mysterious Drew and her relationship to him, the show in my head explains that she figured they'd start interrogating her son the minute she left. Better to drag him away with her. 

[YaddaYadda]

17 hours ago, ulkis said:

Yeah, that was weird. Also, can Laura Wright think before she inserts a "ha-HA!"? Carly said, "we'll send you some leftovers. ha-HA!" That sounds like she's saying, "we'll send you some leftovers! Just kidding, what an absurd notion, our leftovers to scum like you. Why, Jason's twin is more fit to eat them!"

Giggly Carly is awkward and unnatural. She needs to stop.

[dubbel zout]

Oscar knows nothing, though, about Drew or anything. That would become clear immediately. Poor Oscar: Not only does he have to suffer Carly and Sonny and wear a tie, he doesn’t even get fed.

[TeeVee329]

Oscar is just such a blank to me.  He's Cole without the rages.

And this wet noodle is our new Quartermaine.  Meh.

Edited November 28, 2017 by TeeVee329

[jsbt]

These scenes are so stupid and insulting to the audience. If you need to have Kim recognize Drew and then lie about it, at least underplay it in the dialogue and onscreen. It is painfully obvious to everyone in the room she's lying yet she keeps yammering on about how oh, she just knew him through a friend. It's so silly. Just tell half the truth - that they were lovers and he could be Oscar's father but fib that it's not likely as she had a paternity test or something - and have her convincingly play off the rest. Stay for half the dinner then bolt. This shit where people are obviously lying badly and walk back shit from the last scene and no one calls them on it are painful to watch.

And yeah, Oscar is nobody.

Edited November 28, 2017 by jsbt

[NutmegsDad]

18 hours ago, ulkis said:

So Jasam had sex in a barn but Jason blamed Olivia and Julian for Sam's taxo cat thing? That seems a bit unfair.

That's true. It's totally Ava's fault. Because Reasons!Morgan!CommercialBreak!ThatUglySlutWhore.

[BlancheDevoreaux]

17 hours ago, ulkis said:

Yeah, that was weird. Also, can Laura Wright think before she inserts a "ha-HA!"? Carly said, "we'll send you some leftovers. ha-HA!" That sounds like she's saying, "we'll send you some leftovers! Just kidding, what an absurd notion, our leftovers to scum like you. Why, Jason's twin is more fit to eat them!"

I'm glad someone else was bothered by the awkward giggles.

 

Was anyone else expecting that after Sam went through her whole speech about how he was the guy who delivered their baby and blah blah blah that he was going to respond with something about how she never mentioned a time before his plastic surgery and that he thinks she believes "the other guy" is the real Jason?

[ulkis]

4 hours ago, Asp Burger said:

Dissenting view: I get Ava. Yes, the remaining visible damage after The Treatment™ is not that significant, but come on. If you had that, and you knew that The Treatment™ was out there in the world and someone literally hand-delivered it to you, and all you need is some I-Can't-Believe-It's-Not-Kline substitute and you could look the way you did before a horrible accident, you'd want to do it, right? And if you were a soap character who does whatever a Spyder can, you'd really do it.  So, she's vain, yes, but I would be too. My own understanding of vanity is that we're a lot tougher on ourselves than we are on other people. You might tell someone who has some appearance issue, "You look fine!" or "You look great!" or "It [whatever the "it" is] isn't even that noticeable!" and you might mean every word of it, but when it's you, it's harder to make yourself buy it.  

I understood it when she was walking around with half of her face patchy and burnt. A lot of people said it wasn't that bad but I understood Ava wanting to fix it.

Now, I still understand Ava to fix it, but I don't understand wanting to fix it so much she goes to some doctor, who says, "why I've never seen such a formula before! But I totally get it. Even though this is revolutionary and also why isn't this in Russian? But of course even if it were Russian, I'd understand it, because I went to the Sam McCall school of Russian and Chinese phrases. Can you give me 75 grand? No problem for you? Okay, let's do it tonight! I don't need time to study these notes at all, I glanced at it, I'm good."

Also, if I were Ava, I also would have helped to get some guy killed (not the fat one, the one with the nose), an annoying guy admittedly, but still, and that was something she claimed was in the back of her mind, and also things she could take into consideration would be that she could have died in the fire that messed up her face, and she also could also still have a really messed up face from the fire she could have died in, but instead, she's not dead, with a mildly marked face. So while, if I'm Ava, I would indeed want my face fixed, I would like to think that I wouldn't throw 75,000 at the first doctor from Passions that came along.

[sunnyface]

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Bringing a woman with that kind of screen power back would've thrown off the show paradigm.

In the spate of a few lines of dialogue, Kim devolved from being portrayed as a single-mom doc who raised a good kid (and told off the almighty Sonny Corinthos upon introduction) and turned into a feeble woman being yelled at by strangers peppering her continually with personal questions.  To make that transformation run full cycle, she gladly accepted an alcoholic drink from Sonny before getting behind the wheel with her kid.

Edited November 28, 2017 by sunnyface
Sonny

[TeeVee329]

Show: Aren't you just so invested in Oscar's search for a father's love!!!

Me:

Edited November 28, 2017 by TeeVee329

[dubbel zout]

That photo is the gift that Lee on giving.

[dubbel zout]

Ugh, I can’t correct on my phone. “Lee” should be “keeps.”

They’re using the purple porn light in the Floating Rib.

Ava is an idiot to be shocked that a doctor performing an untested, illegal procedure wants to indemnify himself as much as possible.

[Linny]

They missed an opportunity by not having Dr. Ethan Crane's assistant be named Theresa. 

Man, today was dull. Oscar meeting Drew was lame, he learned nothing about him, and Drew is apparently lacking Lulu's special ability to recognize long-lost offspring. Everything involving Jordan and Curtis could have been condensed to one scene establishing the info on Andre, no need for playful discussion of pie leading into sex. And Alexis failing to convincingly lie to Julian could have been excised entirely, but that's always how I feel about Julexis. 

[dubbel zout]

Curtis’s place is Lulu and Dante’s old one slightly repurposed, right?

Oscar is definitely Jason Miller’s kid given how unenthusiastic he is about finding his father.

[YaddaYadda]

15 minutes ago, dubbel zout said:

Oscar is definitely Jason Miller’s kid given how unenthusiastic he is about finding his father.

Joss is the one who keeps pushing the issue. I actually do kinda like Joss, especially when she was having none of Carly and Sonny, but Jeebus! She really is her mother's daughter.

I have no idea what happened in the last 30 seconds of the episode because North Korea was being stupid. If anyone can fill me in and throw in the previews for tomorrow, I'd appreciate it.

Edited November 28, 2017 by YaddaYadda

[ulkis]

23 minutes ago, dubbel zout said:

Curtis’s place is Lulu and Dante’s old one slightly repurposed, right?

I think that's Milo's old place. 

[Pingaponga]

It's going to turn out that BMJason really is Drew, and really is Oscar's father, and I'm going to have to hear BM addressing not just Jake but also Oscar as "son" all the time, aren't I?  I can't stand the way he refers to his kids as "son".  Drives me up the wall.

[rur]

3 hours ago, Linny said:

Everything involving Jordan and Curtis could have been condensed to one scene establishing the info on Andre, no need for playful discussion of pie leading into sex.

I agree -- because, IMO, they're two beautiful people, but I can't sense any heat between them. When they're alone together, they're just two people reciting lines, no romance at all.

[dubbel zout]

They haven’t really been given a chance (onscreen) to develop as a couple. They were together, they broke up, they’re back together—all without much time or drama.

[Thinbalina]

I've never seen it between Curtis and Jordan. I always FF their scenes but I did like Curtis with Hayden. I thought they had good chemistry.

[Bringonthedrama]

I enjoyed Josslyn basically telling Oscar that her mom and Sonny are so self-absorbed that they wouldn't even notice she's gone. So true.

Has BMJason ever been in a scene (other than the JaSam wedding at S&C's) with Josslyn?  I got a lack of warmth/familiarity toward the kids from BMJason and Sam (like hi kids, we hardly know you, but sure come in).

Regarding previews, why in the world are Mac and Felicia so excited about Maxie being pregnant?! She's not raising the daughter she already has! She only visits the kid, while Spinelli and his gf do the hard parenting work.  Have we all missed lines where she says she wishes she wants to be a parent on a day-to-day basis?  Ugh.

[dubbel zout]

Oh, goody, a baby story. That’s something we don’t get enough of on GH.

[TeeVee329]

43 minutes ago, Bringonthedrama said:

Regarding previews, why in the world are Mac and Felicia so excited about Maxie being pregnant?!

Aw, I think it's cute Mac and Felicia are excited.  We were robbed of even one moment of Mac cuddling baby Georgie so the show can feel free to make it up to us here.

Also in the previews, please tell me we're not in for some nonsense where Lulu volunteers her "investigative journalism skills" to help Sam.

[ciarra]

Since there are so many Jasons kicking around, can't the kiddies find something with DNA on it, send it in and find out who's Oscar's daddy?  It's not as if you need a hospital lab to run DNA tests these days.  This dumb and overdone "school project" which no one believes, is really old.

[Hater]

57 minutes ago, Bringonthedrama said:

I enjoyed Josslyn basically telling Oscar that her mom and Sonny are so self-absorbed that they wouldn't even notice she's gone. So true.

Has BMJason ever been in a scene (other than the JaSam wedding at S&C's) with Josslyn?  I got a lack of warmth/familiarity toward the kids from BMJason and Sam (like hi kids, we hardly know you, but sure come in).

Regarding previews, why in the world are Mac and Felicia so excited about Maxie being pregnant?! She's not raising the daughter she already has! She only visits the kid, while Spinelli and his gf do the hard parenting work.  Have we all missed lines where she says she wishes she wants to be a parent on a day-to-day basis?  Ugh.

I don't think Josslyn was at that wedding.  I don't think they ever interacted until today.  

Speaking of, those kids cannot act to save their lives.  Painful.  And they have some bad forehead lines and they're only in their teens.

[ulkis]

Yeah, I never noticed how bad Oscar was till today. It was "mumble mumble monotone" derp face "mumble mumble monotone" and back and forth. And yesterday he didn't seem to know where the hell to look. At one point everyone was staring at Kim or Jason and he was looking in a completely another direction.

Edited November 29, 2017 by ulkis