Episode Discussion: TFGH

[CharethCutestory]

1 hour ago, Perkie said:

And is putting the blame on someone else.  "The person who shot your father was just the weapon.  Jeannette and Scully killed your father'.  WTF writers.  That's just nonsense.  If you didn't want precious Sonny to get his hands dirty, then why bother changing the original story that he only buried the body.  The story would have far more impact if Margaux thought Sonny was the shooter only to find out that her mother or Scully was actually the shooter and that Sonny was innocent of the murder.  I literally don't understand this story.  

Seriously. By mooby's logic that means he's the one who should take the fall for the dozens of hits Jason carried out on his orders. Yeah, I'm so sure. 

These writers have no clue what they're doing whatsoever. They're pathetic. Why did they retcon Sonny disposing the body? What was the point? It doesn't help what they're trying to cobble together now. If they let it stand that he just got rid of Marino but was sloppy because he was young and he left his DNA behind, then what they're trying to do now (aggression and chauvinism aside) wouldn't be that bad or ridiculous. It would just be Margaux coming around to believing Sonny that he only got rid of the body, he didn't pull the trigger. Yeah it'd be lame and kind of a cop out but it'd be better than this mess. Now, Margaux, the freakin' DA, will end up justifying, forgiving, and ultimately boning the guy who killed her father in cold blood so he could become a mafia don. Barf. 

Edited November 17, 2018 by CharethCutestory

[Winston Wolfe]

10 hours ago, dubbel zout said:

LOL. For all the hissing she does about Morgan's death not being her fault, she hasn't learned a THING about dosing people. 

If Kiki is truly exiting the canvas the doping will somehow lead to her demise.  If it does, I'll actually be kinda sad, in some odd way Griffin somehow makes Kiki somewhat tolerable.

Edited November 18, 2018 by Winston Wolfe

[yowsah1]

7 hours ago, Perkie said:

"The person who shot your father was just the weapon.  Jeannette and Scully killed your father'.  WTF writers.  That's just nonsense.  If you didn't want precious Sonny to get his hands dirty, then why bother changing the original story that he only buried the body.  The story would have far more impact if Margaux thought Sonny was the shooter only to find out that her mother or Scully was actually the shooter and that Sonny was innocent of the murder.  I literally don't understand this story.  

Because in any story featuring Sonny, it's not enough that he just defeat the antagonist somehow.  No, the antagonist (who more often than not is RIGHT) has to be demeaned, degraded, dragged into the mud and their head held under.  And what more degrading setup could they have for Margaux than for her to become romantically involved with the irresistable (barf) man who murdered her father and fall into his bed, only to have him reject her and call her a whore to boot?

Edited November 18, 2018 by yowsah1

[yowsah1]

What really gets me about this shitstory is that before, the writers at least attempted to conjure up some slim justification for Sonny's kills, no matter how dumb or horrid they may have been.  ("He thought A.J. had killed his girlfriend", "He was getting revenge for the death of his unborn child", "They came after him").  But in this story, we have Sonny gunning down a complete stranger over a beef he has nothing to do with - and they are STILL INSISTING on presenting it as a righteous, noble act!  The idiocy on display here is just mindblowing.

Edited November 18, 2018 by yowsah1

[Bawoman]

12 hours ago, yowsah1 said:

What really gets me about this shitstory is that before, the writers at least attempted to conjure up some slim justification for Sonny's kills, no matter how dumb or horrid they may have been.  ("He thought A.J. had killed his girlfriend", "He was getting revenge for the death of his unborn child", "They came after him").  But in this story, we have Sonny gunning down a complete stranger over a beef he has nothing to do with - and they are STILL INSISTING on presenting it as a righteous, noble act!  The idiocy on display here is just mindblowing.

 

That dream was....something. I know Sonny was supposed to sound like the Byronic anti-hero of moobies because......whatever stupid reasons. But what would possess them to show Sonny not having any other epiphany other than, "Well, alot of people I knew would have been hurt anyway, so , eh" immediately after showing him watching a woman drunkingly cry herself to sleep in large part because he filled her father with bullets at the tender age of 16. Why did they even bother to have Margaux there in the first place? That just made things worse. 

Edited November 18, 2018 by Bawoman

[sunnyface]

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The idiocy on display here is just mindblowing.

The idea that a DA would let any kingpin gangsta alone into her hotel room is idiotic.  Particularly reprehensible in Friday's episode, was finding Sonny in rage-mode - screaming at a woman whose father he had murdered.  This is not idiotic - it should never have been permitted to make it to viewers' television screens.   These writers are adept at punishing a character (see. Ava and Julian), and also how to redeem a character (see Nina, See Nina and Franco).  If only these folks could take a step back and see how painful it is to watch MB act these days.

Edited November 18, 2018 by sunnyface

[Perkie]

19 minutes ago, sunnyface said:

The idea that a DA would let any kingpin gangsta alone into her hotel room is idiotic

So many things are idiotic.  Why would Jeannette let him, a complete stranger, into her home.  Why wouldn't she call the police five minutes into thier conversation, once she saw where it was going.  Why would she have let Spin and Sam into her home the week before.  Maybe I'm super cautious but I don't let anyone into my home, even if they say they are the gas or water company.  

Now there are rumours that Margaux and Sonny are going to do the deed and it all boils down to why.  Why would she sleep with him?  Why would he sleep with her? So much UGH>  

[RedRockRosie]

15 hours ago, yowsah1 said:

What really gets me about this shitstory is that before, the writers at least attempted to conjure up some slim justification for Sonny's kills, no matter how dumb or horrid they may have been.  ("He thought A.J. had killed his girlfriend", "He was getting revenge for the death of his unborn child", "They came after him").  But in this story, we have Sonny gunning down a complete stranger over a beef he has nothing to do with - and they are STILL INSISTING on presenting it as a righteous, noble act!  The idiocy on display here is just mindblowing.

 

16 hours ago, yowsah1 said:

Because in any story featuring Sonny, it's not enough that he just defeat the antagonist somehow.  No, the antagonist (who more often than not is RIGHT) has to be demeaned, degraded, dragged into the mud and their head held under.  And what more degrading setup could they have for Margaux than for her to become romantically involved with the irresistable (barf) man who murdered her father and fall into his bed, only to have him reject her and call her a whore to boot?

 

3 hours ago, sunnyface said:

The idea that a DA would let any kingpin gangsta alone into her hotel room is idiotic.  Particularly reprehensible in Friday's episode, was finding Sonny in rage-mode - screaming at a woman whose father he had murdered.  This is not idiotic - it should never have been permitted to make it to viewers' television screens.   These writers are adept at punishing a character (see. Ava and Julian), and also how to redeem a character (see Nina, See Nina and Franco).  If only these folks could take a step back and see how painful it is to watch MB act these days.

 

2 hours ago, Perkie said:

Now there are rumours that Margaux and Sonny are going to do the deed and it all boils down to why.  Why would she sleep with him?  Why would he sleep with her? So much UGH>  

And this ^ ladies & gentlemen, THIS is why this show is bleeding viewers.

 

On 11/17/2018 at 11:18 AM, IWantCandy71 said:

 I don't recognize most of the faces or names. And the ones I do recognize, I don't care about them or outright hate them, so I don't want to get back in to the show unless a character I like has something to watch for.

 

And this ^

On 11/16/2018 at 10:14 PM, statsgirl said:

Jason and Sam running to Michael to tell him that Nelle is in Ferncliffe shows how bankrupt the show is in terms of knowing what to do with them.   The writers really have no idea what to do with this "great romance".

And then this ^ ....

 

Makes me mad & so darn sad. This show was pretty darn good before  MB, SBu ate it....and when the writers got the point of the whole show.

[statsgirl]

3 hours ago, Perkie said:

Now there are rumours that Margaux and Sonny are going to do the deed and it all boils down to why.  Why would she sleep with him?  Why would he sleep with her? So much UGH>  

Sonny sleeping with Margaux prevents her from going after him for her father's death or anything else, as least the writers think so. But why she would sleep with him other than because she's drunk or drugged is beyond my ken.

[Hater]

25 minutes ago, RedRockRosie said:

 

Makes me mad & so darn sad. This show was pretty darn good before  MB, SBu ate it....and when the writers got the point of the whole show.

All Burton did in coming back was revert the show back to the holy trinity stealing and infiltrating every single storyline, with no storyline of his own (and he doesn't care as he once did since it's a cash grab for him, there's no more whining to Korte to change dialogue)...just in everyone's else space.  Plus the 1 billion newbies has pretty much made this show unwatchable.  There's no hope for it at this juncture with this current regime in charge.  ABC clearly does not care.

Edited November 18, 2018 by Hater

[Bawoman]

1 hour ago, statsgirl said:

Sonny sleeping with Margaux prevents her from going after him for her father's death or anything else, as least the writers think so. But why she would sleep with him other than because she's drunk or drugged is beyond my ken.

I hate to say it but Daddy issues?

Though I can only see her sleeping with the guy if he ever owned up to what he did and begged her forgiveness and spent the rest of his days kissing her ass....maybe. It wouldn't hurt if Marino didn't end up being her dad, but Scully. And if he grew the beard back. And got rid of his appendages called Jason and Carly. And no longer used that shoe polish for his hair.

So it's likely it won't happen at all, though to me it's a shame cuz to me those 2 have angsty chem up the wazoo.

[Ambrosefolly]

On 11/17/2018 at 9:47 PM, yowsah1 said:

What really gets me about this shitstory is that before, the writers at least attempted to conjure up some slim justification for Sonny's kills, no matter how dumb or horrid they may have been.  ("He thought A.J. had killed his girlfriend", "He was getting revenge for the death of his unborn child", "They came after him").  But in this story, we have Sonny gunning down a complete stranger over a beef he has nothing to do with - and they are STILL INSISTING on presenting it as a righteous, noble act!  The idiocy on display here is just mindblowing.

 

 

It is probably why they started saying he wasn't a good guy, eventhough Margaux's mother admitted that he was a good or at least loving father. It actually sounded like Jeanette was a jealous of Marino's affection towards their daughter. 

 

8 hours ago, Bawoman said:

I hate to say it but Daddy issues?

Though I can only see her sleeping with the guy if he ever owned up to what he did and begged her forgiveness and spent the rest of his days kissing her ass....maybe. It wouldn't hurt if Marino didn't end up being her dad, but Scully. And if he grew the beard back. And got rid of his appendages called Jason and Carly. And no longer used that shoe polish for his hair.

So it's likely it won't happen at all, though to me it's a shame cuz to me those 2 have angsty chem up the wazoo.

 

Sonny, Carly and Jason are so individually toxic, I don't care anymore. Nothing will improve any of their characters.  All of their stories were done years ago. The only story I want to see with Sonny is Monica once and for all taking out Sonny. 

[Asp Burger]

I wonder how many people in the remaining audience think Benard was giving a great performance in Friday's scene with Margaux. I know he used to be able to sell as "intensity" the stammering, the erratic fluctuations in volume from shouting to whispering, the long pauses that may not be calculated, the "emotional" voice breaks that I'm sure are calculated. But it all seems shtickier and more halfhearted than ever now. Are people still buying it? Oh, never mind. I know exactly where I can go if I want to read that it was brilliant and he deserves another Daytime Emmy.  

I liked very little of the episode. Those scenes with Michael, Jason, and Sam just crept. She was talking to him as though he was about 15 years younger than he is, and either emotionally disturbed or very early in recovery from drug/alcohol addiction. (Not a story Michael would ever get, because it would be dramatic, and the prison rape seems to have been his lifetime allotment.) He really needs that much of a soft landing just to hear that they saw Nelle at Ferncliff? I don't think Sam got to the point until the third segment of it.  

Jason : "You seem pretty calm about this." Michael: "I learned it from you." Learned what? Indifference to women? Underacting? Pulselessness?

And finally, Nina. Ugh. She was behaving like a caricature of the problem parent. She had no clue that she was responding to news that her stepdaughter is a bully by attempting to bully the teacher. I don't know if Willow was thinking, "I see where Charlotte gets it," but I would have been. However, her inappropriate behavior was both plausible for her and acknowledged in the script. She got told to leave the room, and Charlotte's more reasonable, actual parents even apologized for her. Nina got the writing Carly often deserves but never gets.  So we know they can do it. 

Franco/Aiden was okay. I didn't have anything to complain about. Ava and Ryan continue to be the only characters I enjoy watching in their part of the show.  

Oh, one thing I loved: "I didn't hear screaming on the other end, so it couldn't have been Carly. Jason?" Margaux already knows that only two people are likely to talk to Sonny.  

Edited November 19, 2018 by Asp Burger

[statsgirl]

12 hours ago, Ambrosefolly said:

Sonny, Carly and Jason are so individually toxic, I don't care anymore. Nothing will improve any of their characters.  All of their stories were done years ago. The only story I want to see with Sonny is Monica once and for all taking out Sonny. 

They are individually toxic, worse when together, and they drag other characters down. I think there are stories that can be told with them but

2 hours ago, Asp Burger said:

Nina got the writing Carly often deserves but never gets.  So we know they can do it. 

the show is too scared or too stupid to go there.

I'm kin of curious, in an "I don't really care all that much" kind of way whether the producers and writers really believe that keeping the Terrible Three in stasis in terms of growth is what viewers want or whether it's just easier to write for the CarSon and JaSam loud voices and not have to do any real work.

[TeeVee329]

Poor Monica, having a grandson this dull.  Oh yeah, also that he's dying.

Ava bashing Griffin in the head made me smile.

[LexieLily]

17 minutes ago, TeeVee329 said:

Poor Monica, having a grandson this dull.  Oh yeah, also that he's dying.

Ava bashing Griffin in the head made me smile.

Why was Oscar walking around the Q mansion like he'd never seen it before?

[Linny]

As awesome as it was to see Ava knock Griffin across the head, it seems to me this scheme can come undone pretty easily. Griffin should surely wake up with a throbbing head and know that he's been hit, and should remember receiving the text luring him to the hotel, despite Ava deleting it. And Kiki (once she's calmed down a little) will think about where Franco got his intel, and will have the good sense Franco lacks and realize that this was cooked up by Ava. Plus, there's Michael who can corroborate that Griffin was called away by a text (and how convenient that Michael touched base with Kiki today). 

Wish the show hadn't already revealed Marcus was married; it diminished the impact of Stella's sad reaction. And it's baffling to me that they're dropping hints of a new love interest for Mike instead of going there with him and Stella. They've been friendly and flirty for so long, what gives?

I've reached my limit in tolerating Kim's teary hysteria, and hate that she's roped Julian into her new unhinged plan. It was a breath of fresh air to see Monica talk to Oscar in such a frank manner, and to present him his options without dictating which he should choose.

[Hater]

Are they turning Drew into a deadbeat that doesn't see his daughter?

[statsgirl]

They'll turn Drew into anything that makes Jason look good. I wonder if he and Scout will be spending Thanksgiving at different dinners. Scout is becoming part of the Corinthos world after all.

I get the feeling that Franco figured out Ava's plan and forestalled it somehow. I don't know why, maybe because they didn't show Kiki finding Griffin and Sasha, maybe because it would just be more interesting.

It's really terrible what Ava is doing but I find Kiki, Griffin and Sasha all such awful people that I don't care.

I wish Drew? someone? would tell Kim that her being in denial for the past two years is what got her into this situation where Oscar won't listen to her.

I did love the Monica/Oscar scenes though. More Monica like that, please.

Edited November 19, 2018 by statsgirl

[Hater]

It would be wise for the director to maybe tell KM not to play up an attraction to Drew when on screen Sam doesn't give a flying shit about him and is suppose to be ready to drop her panties for Jason?

Yet here she is today her legs on the bench (who sits like that on a bench?) cuddled almost up to Drew as if she's still into him, when none of the dialogue has indicated that for 8 months.  

Edited November 20, 2018 by Hater

[YaddaYadda]

4 minutes ago, Hater said:

It would be wise for the director to maybe tell KM not to play up an attraction Drew when on screen Sam doesn't give a flying shit about him and is suppose to be ready to drop her panties for Jason?

Yet here she is today her legs on the bench (who sits like that on a bench?) cuddled almost up to Drew as if she's still into him, when none of the dialogue has indicated that for 8 months.  

I loved it. It felt like such a middle finger to the writers. 

[Hater]

2 minutes ago, YaddaYadda said:

I loved it. It felt like such a middle finger to the writers. 

That's exactly what they are doing, but the director/FV must not give a crap (1 take! and all) because it just does not match up with the dialogue for 8 months.  Those two are expert trolls.

She looked more comfortable on the bench than she did on the couch at Halloween.

[Perkie]

Oy, the stupid today, it burns.

Sasha gets the room service and doesn't notice that Ava's got her foot in the door, holding it open.  Then eats the soup instantly and passes out instantly.  If I were Ava, I'd be wondering what the hell kind of pills "Kevin" gave me.  Griffin gets there, Ava knocks him out.  then somehow, manages to undress him and get him into bed, an unconscious man who's dead weight.  And she didn't break a nail or mess up her hair.  Sure.  

[TVbitch]

Ava must be doing some serious weight training in between martinis if she dead-lifted Griffin up onto that bed. So so idiotic. And yeah, having severe blunt force trauma to his head and a concussion will be hard to explain away, if they were just hooking up. Oh, and a rape kit, which I would think Sasha might want after having been drugged, would prove she didn't even have sex. Maybe they're going to have her "go along with it" cuz she's hot for Griffin.  

It did kind of seem like Franco and Kiki were acting that scene at the end for Ava's benefit, but hard to tell. 

[dubbel zout]

Shut up, Sam. If it's such a chore to talk to Julian, don't go to his gastropub to meet your sister. Gah.

5 hours ago, statsgirl said:

I wish Drew? someone? would tell Kim that her being in denial for the past two years is what got her into this situation where Oscar won't listen to her.

I KNOW. What did she expect? You keep your son's terminal illness from him and then get mad he wants to live life on his terms? I think Oscar is wrong to emancipate, but Kim, at least, isn't giving him much choice. She could have saved her son by getting him treatment as soon as she knew he was sick! Poor TB. I think she's doing a good job with this inane story, but it's hard to feel sorry for Kim.

5 hours ago, statsgirl said:

I did love the Monica/Oscar scenes though. More Monica like that, please.

They were really nice, and both actors did a lovely job.

6 hours ago, Linny said:

hate that she's roped Julian into her new unhinged plan

I know. Julian should butt out.

Ugh, Ava and her plan for revenge. Countdown to her hissing she didn't mean to hurt anyone, she's was just trying to protect Lauren/teach Griffin a lesson/some other lame excuse. 

[ciarra]

So the wannabe doctor isn't going to notice that they're both unresponsive?

Sam hates Julian so much, yet doesn't avoid him.  She's perfectly capable of phoning her sister from outside Charlie's, yet she goes in and hangs around, giving Julian the stink eye.  Sure, she never held a knife on anyone, but marrying men to steal their money, and sleeping with both of her sister's fathers?  Yeah, she's done that.  And the love of her life is a mob enforcer.  Glass houses, much?

[Cheyanne11]

19 minutes ago, dubbel zout said:

Shut up, Sam. If it's such a chore to talk to Julian, don't go to his gastropub to meet your sister. Gah.

 

She's such a fucking pill to Julian.  As if Charlie's is the ONLY place you can meet "Krissy."  And it's none of her business what kind of relationship Julian has with Lucas.  Shut up, Sam.

[Hater]

35 minutes ago, ciarra said:

So the wannabe doctor isn't going to notice that they're both unresponsive?

Sam hates Julian so much, yet doesn't avoid him.  She's perfectly capable of phoning her sister from outside Charlie's, yet she goes in and hangs around, giving Julian the stink eye.  Sure, she never held a knife on anyone, but marrying men to steal their money, and sleeping with both of her sister's fathers?  Yeah, she's done that.  And the love of her life is a mob enforcer.  Glass houses, much?

The character needs to be pushed off a bridge again and die this time.

Edited November 20, 2018 by Hater

[truthaboutluv]

5 hours ago, Hater said:

It would be wise for the director to maybe tell KM not to play up an attraction to Drew when on screen Sam doesn't give a flying shit about him and is suppose to be ready to drop her panties for Jason?

Yet here she is today her legs on the bench (who sits like that on a bench?) cuddled almost up to Drew as if she's still into him, when none of the dialogue has indicated that for 8 months.  

 

 

True story - this scene showed up on my Instagram search today and without having the volume on, I just assumed it was an old scene from when Drew and Sam were still together. So imagine my shock when I listened to the dialogue and Drew's talking about Oscar's illness.

This whole thing is a joke. Burton and Monaco have zero chemistry anymore but the writers have to make Burton's Jason "win" so they're going to force the couple back together even if it means Monaco's kicking and screaming along the way. 

And yeah I caught that WTF of Drew speaking like Scout lives in another state and he can't see her on a regular basis. But anything to limit Kelly and Billy's scenes, seeing as she's practically trying to hump the guy in scenes where they're supposed to be amicable exes.

Edited November 20, 2018 by truthaboutluv

[teenj12]

3 minutes ago, truthaboutluv said:

 

True story - this scene showed up on my Instagram search today and without having the volume on, I just assumed it was an old scene from when Drew and Sam were still together. So imagine my shock when I listened to the dialogue and Drew's talking about Oscar's illness.

This whole thing is a joke. Burton and Monaco have zero chemistry anymore but the writers have to make Burton's Jason "win" so they're going to force the couple back together even if it means Monaco's kicking and screaming along the way. 

And yeah I caught that WTF of Drew speaking like Scout lives in another state and he can't see her on a regular basis. But anything to limit Kelly and Billy's scenes, seeing as she's practically trying to hump the guy in scenes where they're supposed to amicable exes.

On one hand, I feel bad for KM. Burton was gone for years, a new guy takes his place as Jason Morgan, she ends up falling for and dating this man off set, and then a year or two later the writers just decide that he's not gonna be Jason anymore and bring Burton back??? And because Burton's the real Jason, he automatically has to "win" Sam. If I were KM, that would be an awkward as hell place to be in. 

On the other hand, she's a professional - this is work, regardless of which one she's screwing in her personal life. She should be trying to sell it onscreen, but the truth is she's doing a half hearted job.

[WendyCR72]

49 minutes ago, teenj12 said:

On the other hand, she's a professional - this is work, regardless of which one she's screwing in her personal life. She should be trying to sell it onscreen, but the truth is she's doing a half hearted job.

I say this as one who has never liked Jason and Sam, as a couple or individuals. And, for the most part, I am usually team"DO YOUR JOB!". But in this case? It kind of tickles me to know KM is seemingly not at all into this, and I like that it just exposes the smelly corpse of this couple. And I love that the designated winner's victory is covered in scorn and no enthusiasm. But then, this GH loves couples whose freshness date was literally DECADES ago. (Hi, Sonny and Carly!) So Sam and Jason are in good company there.

[statsgirl]

3 hours ago, dubbel zout said:

Poor TB. I think she's doing a good job with this inane story, but it's hard to feel sorry for Kim.

She gets major points for professionalism for really selling this story that she doesn't believe in.  Would that it were catching.

STFU Sam.  You're all "Mom, you can't control Kristina, she's an adult" while totally trying to control everyone's interactions with Julian.

Edited November 20, 2018 by statsgirl

[LexieLily]

23 minutes ago, WendyCR72 said:

I say this as one who has never liked Jason and Sam, as a couple or individuals. And, for the most part, I am usually team"DO YOUR JOB!". But in this case? It kind of tickles me to know KM is seemingly not at all into this, and I like that it just exposes the smelly corpse of this couple. And I love that the designated winner's victory is covered in scorn and no enthusiasm. But then, this GH loves couples whose freshness date was literally DECADES ago. (Hi, Sonny and Carly!) So Sam and Jason are in good company there.

It's not like SBu is at all into this, either, and that makes it even more hilarious. SBu wants to win in that he wants HIS Jason to be the one to win Sam in the end to show BM and the show who the top dog is supposed to be, but he doesn't play Jason as having any real romantic interest in Sam until people tell him he is supposed to. Or show up for his kids until people tell him he should spend time with his children.

[Oracle42]

I think I'm generally team do your job when it's your personal life that's the issue. I think JT's  choices in Patrick/Sabrina rang true because they were about the character, not personal, behind the scenes messiness - and he gave more weight to being a widower than being a boyfriend but he wasn't half-assing the story or being a shitty scene partner 

Edited November 21, 2018 by Oracle42

[WendyCR72]

On 11/20/2018 at 2:00 AM, Oracle42 said:

I think I'm generally team do your job when it's your personal life that's the issue. I think JT's  choices in Patrick/Sabrina rang true because they were about the character, not personal, behind the scenes messiness - and he f2f gave more weight to being a widower than being a boyfriend but he wasn't half-assing the story or being a shitty scene partner 

Weeeeeeelllllll... As most know, I am/was a Scrubs fan. But I knew KMc wanted off the show. I had no issues with Patrick moving on provided the story made sense and was told as well as Scrubs' construction had been.

To say it wasn't was a MASSIVE understatement.

I mean, PTB telling JT, "Oh, BTW, you have a drug problem!" in between filming?! WTF?! Add in that Sabrina was not introduced A. like a grown woman but a little girl dreaming of the handsome princely doctor, B. was fighting a rival - whom we also did not know and just was plopped in, and C. went from 0 to 1,000 while having Sabrina seemingly use Robin's "memory" to have an "in" and it all sucked.

Which is a long-winded way of saying, as awesome as I think JT played Patrick's grief at Robin's "death" (that tie scene still gutted me!) and I know he missed his friend off screen, even I think he DID half assed it with TCa, not for any personal, but story antipathy, but conversely, when you are suddenly just cardboard to be Sabrina's white knight or Sam's Adventure Buddy (UGH!) - and ignored issues that could have made Sam and Patrick halfway interesting (Patrick's utter hatred of Jason and how Patrick saw Jason as ultimately costing Robin her life versus Sam's inexplicable love for him), I got why. I understand it, even if I don't necessarily condone it.

Still, I think JT saw the writing on the wall, realized Frank had ditched most of the competent writers that created Scrubs, knew it would not get better, and ran off to another soap to make a clean slate. So, good for him.

[sunnyface]

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and she didn't break a nail or mess up her hair.  Sure.  

Did Ava wipe away her fingerprints from the hotel room?  So for months, we have to watch MB stumble through his last plot and we only get to enjoy MW for a couple of days before she returns to the 'worst' and most 'evil' regular character on the show.

[bamajen]

6 hours ago, LexieLily said:

It's not like SBu is at all into this, either, and that makes it even more hilarious. SBu wants to win in that he wants HIS Jason to be the one to win Sam in the end to show BM and the show who the top dog is supposed to be, but he doesn't play Jason as having any real romantic interest in Sam until people tell him he is supposed to. Or show up for his kids until people tell him he should spend time with his children.

People were so excited to get an unspoiled Dream scene.  My phone and social media lit up when friends called to tell me to watch.  Drew and Sam bring viewers to a dying soap.  I totally agree about SB.  Question is, does the show bow down to him enough to let him win, if the pairing is costing it viewers?  Most KM fans aren’t watching Sam forced into the pairing.  Dream bring excitement and the show needs all it can get right now.   

[Perkie]

9 hours ago, ciarra said:

So the wannabe doctor isn't going to notice that they're both unresponsive?

Im going to guess that they're both going to come to as Kiki is arriving.  Griffin was conked on the head, that's not going to keep him out for long.  Otherwise there would be no drama.  

What would be funny is if Griffin came to, realized what happened and left before Kiki got there.  Ava, you're plan didn't work!!

[dubbel zout]

2 hours ago, Perkie said:

What would be funny is if Griffin came to, realized what happened and left before Kiki got there.  Ava, you're plan didn't work!!

And Ava bursts in for her big "J'accuse!" moment and it's a big zero. I'd sort of hate for Ava to suffer that kind of humiliation (she gets enough the way it is), but on the other hand, she totally has it coming for setting up such a dumb situation. And again, drugging someone is so, so wrong. 

[TeeVee329]

12 minutes ago, dubbel zout said:

And again, drugging someone is so, so wrong. 

When Ava does it.  When Keeks and Morgan do it, or when Rebecca Budig does it to steal some sleaze's money, it's all good and fine. #eyeroll

[dubbel zout]

The general conclusion on the board was it was gross all the way around. The show treats it differently, though, I agree.

[TeeVee329]

Oh, of course, I'm talking about the show's presentation.  In that Rebecca Budig case, they played it as total romantic comedy with her and Dr. Michael Easton, which was so gross.  So what if that guy was a sleaze?  That doesn't mean you get to drug him, strip him down so he thinks you had sex, and take his money.

Edited November 20, 2018 by TeeVee329

[dubbel zout]

GH is so tone-deaf about so much stuff. 

[statsgirl]

12 hours ago, LexieLily said:

he doesn't play Jason as having any real romantic interest in Sam until people tell him he is supposed to. Or show up for his kids until people tell him he should spend time with his children.

Don't you mean until someone triggers the program?  Until then, it just sleeps in the background.

5 hours ago, bamajen said:

People were so excited to get an unspoiled Dream scene.  My phone and social media lit up when friends called to tell me to watch.  Drew and Sam bring viewers to a dying soap.  I totally agree about SB.  Question is, does the show bow down to him enough to let him win, if the pairing is costing it viewers?  Most KM fans aren’t watching Sam forced into the pairing.  Dream bring excitement and the show needs all it can get right now.   

That's a good question.   At a guess, ABC doesn't care enough about the show to find out if switching from Dream to Jasam really is hurting the show.. The JasSam fans are very loud, as are the CarSon ones and being told how wonderful the show is in addition to Frank loving the Unholy Triad makes them think that viewers are on board.

[LexieLily]

7 minutes ago, statsgirl said:

Don't you mean until someone triggers the program?  Until then, it just sleeps in the background.

That's a good question.   At a guess, ABC doesn't care enough about the show to find out if switching from Dream to Jasam really is hurting the show.. The JasSam fans are very loud, as are the CarSon ones and being told how wonderful the show is in addition to Frank loving the Unholy Triad makes them think that viewers are on board.

It can't be only the force-feeding JaSam and the Unholy Trinity that is costing the show viewers. Those two things are a big part of it, yes, but it's everything collapsing at the same time - the Trinity in every story when they don't need to be, the countless new characters that we never asked for and don't need, the destruction of some legacy characters at the expense of the newbies, chemistry-less couples, etc... 

[ulkis]

At this point Julexis is probably more popular than Drew/Sam or Jasam. 

[LexieLily]

The more times I see Carly and her cronies in this Laura/Kevin/Ryan story the more it pisses me off. Laura randomly starts crying to Carly in the middle of the MetroCourt about her marriage falling apart when they've never been close and Carly hasn't ever shown any interest in Laura or her relationship with Kevin, and Spinelli got Carly the name of her mystery patient, Todd Wilson. But she has no point of reference to identify that name, unless it was in one of Lulu's articles (not that she would read them) because she has no relationship with Kevin and NO history of Ryan or his crimes. And now, somehow, Carly will get to be the hero of something she knows nothing about.

This dumb show and their need to cater to the Trinity will be it's undoing sooner or later. 

Edited November 20, 2018 by LexieLily

[Perkie]

1 hour ago, statsgirl said:

he JasSam fans are very loud, as are the CarSon ones

Especially on Facebook.  Though it's really only a handful of people posting seven hundred new posts a day.  But if you're tiic and you see that, you'll believe the hype.  

[TeeVee329]

20 minutes ago, LexieLily said:

Spinelli got Carly the name of her mystery patient, Todd Wilson. But she has no point of reference to identify that name, unless it was in one of Lulu's articles (not that she would read them) because she has no relationship with Kevin and NO history of Ryan or his crimes. And now, somehow, Carly will get to be the hero of something she knows nothing about.

Also, would Kevin be stupid enough to use a known alias of Ryan's to hide Ryan?  I don't think he would.

[LexieLily]

2 minutes ago, TeeVee329 said:

Also, would Kevin be stupid enough to use a known alias of Ryan's to hide Ryan?  I don't think he would.

If he had enough faith in Laura to know something was wrong as he told Ryan that one time (though that could have been false bravado), Kevin would have known that Felicia, Mac and Lucy would have known right away what "Todd Wilson" meant if for whatever reason they ever visited Ferncliff. So no, he wouldn't, if he was intent on keeping Ryan a secret.