Episode Discussion: TFGH

[dubbel zout]

3 hours ago, Asp Burger said:

How long was she even in that place, in show time?

I think it was three whole weeks. THREE WEEKS.

3 hours ago, Asp Burger said:

Both lawyers were getting away with things they'd never get away with.

Bensch's very audible berating of Scott was hilarious.

3 hours ago, Asp Burger said:

Vernee is lovely. I really like all of Stella's scenes with Mike.  

This is the only story in which I find Stella bearable. She's great with Mike, she's quite good with Sonny (though I find him calling her "Miss Stella" uncomfortably patronizing, even though I'm sure it's not meant that way), and it has nothing to do with Curtis or Jordan.

[Happywatcher]

If both actors are going to keep the same mannerisms and affect I won't be able to remember which one is Jason this week. 

 

Oh my god. Another teen shoplifting story? Seriously? 

[Ladyrain]

This new Cameron totally looks like he could be Elizabeth's son.  YMMV

[LexieLily]

Shut up, Sonny. That is the entire point of an undercover mission, you dolt, of course Dante didn't tell you where he was going. Way to make it all about you as usual.

Why is Chase being forced to grovel to Sonny and his underling? He was under no obligation to tell Sonny or Carly or Jason the specifics of Michael's stupid plan. Michael is an adult in full capacity of his faculties, such as they are. Michael was the one who thought it was a good idea to attempt to trap and coerce a psychotic woman that was also nine months pregnant into confessing about the murders she committed and it was Michael/Chase's idea to rig the car. Michael's damn lucky that he didn't die along with "Jonah." Chase doesn't have to apologize to Sonny or Jason for anything. He is the police. They aren't. End of story.

Again with Kevin/Ryan (?) at Casa Corinthos. Why are the professionals apologizing to The Trinity for DOING THEIR JOBS?

So it has been Ryan this whole time living in Port Charles. I only care when the swap was made, who did Laura marry, and is Laura even in France and are she and Spencer safe?

Edited August 10, 2018 by LexieLily

[RedRockRosie]

Maybe Drew was given some sort of suggestion during the mind-meld, erasing, mapping, whatever of his memories "procedure", to NOT to try to remember or recover his memories. That would explain  why he seems so passive & unconcerned about digging into his own past. Makes a much sense as the rest of this nutzo story.

Edited August 10, 2018 by RedRockRosie

[Linny]

I could have done without the Franco rigmarole of the oops text and pulled fire alarm, but I did appreciate Ava setting up the pieces ("tell me all about what's been weighing on you so heavily, Griffin" and "you're a good person, Kiki") and waiting for Scotty to knock them down. 

New New Cam skews heavily to the mischievous side and needs to stop that weird thing with his mouth like he's fighting back laughter. What a bad day for Liz, getting dragged to the PCPD for the immature antics of her teenage son AND her overgrown man child fiancé.

I want to be into the Kevin/Ryan stuff but it just seems too derivative of stuff we've seen 734 times before, but I'm going to try to reserve judgment for the moment and hope the show surprises me (doubtful, but Jon Lindstrom's performance might be enough to sway me).

[seasons]

1 hour ago, Ladyrain said:

This new Cameron totally looks like he could be Elizabeth's son.  YMMV

Yes! He also reminds me of a young Rob Lowe.

Edited August 10, 2018 by seasons

[dubbel zout]

LOL that Joss has to tell Cam that her grandma owns Kelly. 

Of course Sonny's criterion about moving Mike to a specialized facility is that Sonny's not ready, not that Mike needs care Sonny can't provide. And that care doesn't have to be all or nothing: There are often adult daycare–type programs so that caregivers can get some respite. (Not that Sonny has been doing any of the heavy lifting.) 

26 minutes ago, LexieLily said:

Why is Chase being forced to grovel to Sonny and his underling?

Ugh, I know. As usual, Sonny/Carly/Jason always have to have the upper hand regardless of the situation.

29 minutes ago, LexieLily said:

are she and Spencer safe?

I hope Laura is. I couldn't care less about Spencer.

6 minutes ago, Linny said:

I did appreciate Ava setting up the pieces

It's about time she gets the chance to skewer Griffin's self-righteousness about always doing the right thing.

3 minutes ago, Linny said:

I want to be into the Kevin/Ryan stuff but it just seems too derivative of stuff we've seen 734 times before, but I'm going to try to reserve judgment for the moment and hope the show surprises me (doubtful, but Jon Lindstrom's performance might be enough to sway me).

JL will do his best, but the writing will fail him, as always.

[LexieLily]

2 minutes ago, dubbel zout said:

I hope Laura is. I couldn't care less about Spencer

LOL. Laura would be upset if anything happened to Spencer and she's got enough emotional turmoil on her plate coming if this story is going where I fear it is going. 

[dubbel zout]

Oh, poor Jason, "interrogated" by the new DA for an entire half hour. Yes, Margaux's questions were brutal and unrelenting.

So Ava is pissed-off enough at Griffin and Lauren to potentially tank Lauren's lawsuit against Bensch? Way to support the larger cause, Ava.

[BlancheDevoreaux]

30 minutes ago, seasons said:

Yes! He also reminds me of a young Rob Lowe.

He reminds me of Jonathan Brandis.

 

Why does it always have to be about Sonny?  I'm shocked this Kiki storyline hasn't been about how upset he is that he wasn't able to protect her from Dr. Bensch or that the doctor works in one of the wings with Sonny's name on it possibly tainting his sacred name.

 

I laughed out loud when they aired the commercial about Jason and Sam.  "Relive the romance of super couple, Jason and Sam as GH pulls together 15 years o their greatest and unforgettable moments." They left off "because now they are interesting and steamy as a glass of skim milk." Oh, make no mistake, GH viewers.  You absolutely WILL love Jason and Sam and ship them. These writers will tell you who you are to enjoy seeing and you will like it!

[Happywatcher]

42 minutes ago, dubbel zout said:

Oh, poor Jason, "interrogated" by the new DA for an entire half hour. Yes, Margaux's questions were brutal and unrelenting.

So Ava is pissed-off enough at Griffin and Lauren to potentially tank Lauren's lawsuit against Bensch? Way to support the larger cause, Ava.

My name is tough girl McDA. I am going to break you using the power of this banker box with a newly printed label which actually holds glass from all Sonny's broken glasses this month

 

K. When is my attorney getting here? Oh, and I elect to remain silent.

[Hater]

Lassie warning Drew about Margo's agenda.  Here comes the BUS!   

Edited August 10, 2018 by Hater

[Gam2]

Who’s Lassie?

[Hater]

2 minutes ago, Gam2 said:

Who’s Lassie?

Jason.

[Gam2]

Thanks!

[TeeVee329]

I missed today, did we get confirmation that Kevin is Ryan?

[dubbel zout]

Yes.

[RedheadZombie]

2 hours ago, seasons said:

Yes! He also reminds me of a young Rob Lowe.

Maybe Rob Lowe's brother Chad? https://www.bing.com/images/search?view=detailV2&ccid=VCOOofQk&id=235E35E16C5257B472222807459AB60F39FF8257&thid=OIP.VCOOofQktVshhC3EuWdzWgHaL_&mediaurl=http%3a%2f%2fc8.alamy.com%2fcomp%2fBPDP5T%2fchad-lowe-nobodys-perfect-1990-BPDP5T.jpg&exph=1390&expw=859&q=chad+lowe&simid=608051343074461084&selectedIndex=47&ajaxhist=0

[CharethCutestory]

2 hours ago, BlancheDevoreaux said:

He reminds me of Jonathan Brandis.

He does! So sad what happened to him. One of many child actors with so much potential that met a tragic end. 

3 hours ago, dubbel zout said:

Oh, poor Jason, "interrogated" by the new DA for an entire half hour. Yes, Margaux's questions were brutal and unrelenting.

Then warning Drew that she has an "agenda." Duh doy borg, she's DA and you're a career criminal and hitman. What other agenda would she have when it comes to you? It's refreshing to see someone in the profession of putting criminals away actually do their job on this show. Although we all know in no time she'll be a Sason apologist if not full on cheerleader.  I hope Drew tells Jason to fuck off Monday. 

Edited August 10, 2018 by CharethCutestory

[Perkie]

5 hours ago, Happywatcher said:

If both actors are going to keep the same mannerisms and affect I won't be able to remember which one is Jason this wee

Drew is the good looking, intelligent, personable one, who is actually taking an interest in his son's life.  Jason is the one that constantly looks constipated and self righteous, who still wearing the same tshirts he wore 20 years ago and still kissing the moobster ass.  

[TVbitch]

I liked old new Cameron better, he looked more like a potential bad boy. This one looks like Bieber. It doesn't really matter though, as I FF that entire storyline. I FF most of the show these days, stopping only to see Scorpio, laugh at Griffin trying to act, hate watch someone preposterously genuflecting to the holy trinity (did you hear Jason today giving the nod to Chase: "The FAMILY appreciates it."), and finally, I pop in to see how far they will push Peter August's oompa loompa coloring. Last I saw it was full on freakshow orange.

Edited August 12, 2018 by TVbitch

[Perkie]

5 hours ago, LexieLily said:

Why is Chase being forced to grovel to Sonny and his underling?

Because Dante's gone.  

[LillyB]

I am surprised that all the residents of Port Charles aren't lined up to kiss Sonny's ass.

[nilyank]

2 hours ago, TeeVee329 said:

I missed today, did we get confirmation that Kevin is Ryan?

We got confirmation that both brothers are alive, but not  which brother is which. Dr Collins said hello brother to Patient Collins. Now it could be Keven weird behavior since Laura left are because he is Ryan or because Kevin discover his not dead psychotic brother is alive and has been keeping him at Ferncliff.

4 hours ago, dubbel zout said:

So Ava is pissed-off enough at Griffin and Lauren to potentially tank Lauren's lawsuit against Bensch? Way to support the larger cause, Ava.

Ava's pain is much important because she wants to know the truth. Scott wanted to avoid the question, but she insisted on it. Either to make Griff lie on the stand or have tell the truth. Either way, she is playing a game where Bench could end up getting away with his bad behavior.

Finally, Scott if you are going to sabotage Bench's case, at least pretend to be working on the case. He did not cross-examine a single witness except the nurse. They don't have to be good questions, but asked at least one. Bench should be more suspicious of Scott.

[JeezumCrow]

51 minutes ago, nilyank said:

 

3 hours ago, TeeVee329 said:

I missed today, did we get confirmation that Kevin is Ryan?

We got confirmation that both brothers are alive, but not  which brother is which. Dr Collins said hello brother to Patient Collins. Now it could be Keven weird behavior since Laura left are because he is Ryan or because Kevin discover his not dead psychotic brother is alive and has been keeping him at Ferncliff.

 

I know it’s incredibly probable that I will end up disappointed (or potentially devastated if they write him out entirely) but I just can’t help but be excited about this. Kevin is my favorite character and I’ve been wishing for him to have a real story for so long. Jon Lindstrom never disappoints me, even if the writing may. 

[TeeVee329]

2 hours ago, nilyank said:

We got confirmation that both brothers are alive, but not  which brother is which. Dr Collins said hello brother to Patient Collins. Now it could be Keven weird behavior since Laura left are because he is Ryan or because Kevin discover his not dead psychotic brother is alive and has been keeping him at Ferncliff.

Ah okay, so Kevin/Ryan is officially on, thanks!

1 hour ago, JeezumCrow said:

I know it’s incredibly probable that I will end up disappointed (or potentially devastated if they write him out entirely) but I just can’t help but be excited about this. Kevin is my favorite character and I’ve been wishing for him to have a real story for so long. Jon Lindstrom never disappoints me, even if the writing may. 

The big thing I'm leery about is the continued involvement of Carly.  Again, I didn't see today, but if she's going to be a major thing in this - like if there's some nonsense that Ryan has transferred his obsession from Felicia to Carly like Stavros did with Lulu - just return to sender now.

[gp1999]

4 hours ago, Perkie said:

Drew is the good looking, intelligent, personable one, who is actually taking an interest in his son's life.  Jason is the one that constantly looks constipated and self righteous, who still wearing the same tshirts he wore 20 years ago and still kissing the moobster ass.  

I’m pretty sure if Drew hadn’t been run over and lost his memories, he would've been just like Jason cause the first thing he did when he came to PC was go to Sonny’s house before he was kidnapped by Helena’s men and then run over by Ava while escaping 

[LexieLily]

2 hours ago, TeeVee329 said:

Ah okay, so Kevin/Ryan is officially on, thanks!

The big thing I'm leery about is the continued involvement of Carly.  Again, I didn't see today, but if she's going to be a major thing in this - like if there's some nonsense that Ryan has transferred his obsession from Felicia to Carly like Stavros did with Lulu - just return to sender now.

Ryan supposedly died in that fire in the 90s, didn't he? Are we to assume that he somehow survived that and has been in Ferncliff all this time but recently escaped and somehow imprisoned Kevin and took over his life? And if the Carly obsession is just a way to justify shoehorning the Unholy Trinity into this story at the expense of Felicia and Lucy or even Mac, no thank you. I'm leery of this story to start with.

[statsgirl]

9 hours ago, gp1999 said:

I’m pretty sure if Drew hadn’t been run over and lost his memories, he would've been just like Jason cause the first thing he did when he came to PC was go to Sonny’s house before he was kidnapped by Helena’s men and then run over by Ava while escaping 

It's an interesting philosophical question -- how much of what Drew does is Jason's memories and how much is Drew's own personality established over all the pre-kidnapping years?

Losing his Jason memories allowed Drew's personality to dominate.  I tend to think that if he hadn't lost Jason's memories he would eventually have ended up the same as he is now because even with Jason's memories he still rejected mob life in favour of family but it would have taken longer.

[nilyank]

With Ryan not dying all those years ago, I hold the tiny hope that he had faked Georgie's death as part of his master plan to get back at Mac and Felicia. Georgie could be living out there having a wonderful life with no memories of her previous life.

[Cheyanne11]

And once again this show gives a big FUCK YOU to mental illness and how it's handled by having Carly act like going into therapy is a huge waste of time and something she will "never again" do.  But, hey, they have Sonny mention his BP about once a year, so bygones.

[dubbel zout]

2 hours ago, Cheyanne11 said:

And once again this show gives a big FUCK YOU to mental illness and how it's handled by having Carly act like going into therapy is a huge waste of time and something she will "never again" do.  But, hey, they have Sonny mention his BP about once a year, so bygones.

Let's not forget that Nelle had to be unhinged by lurve. Ugh.

[RedheadZombie]

I'm all for the Ryan/Kevin story, but don't expect me to believe that no one noticed "Kevin" is treating his identical twin.

[dubbel zout]

I'm sure we'll find out that Mary Pat has been paid to keep quiet. She's OMG TEH EVUL, you know.

[Barb1959]

I must have been napping, because I completely missed any confirmation on Kevin/Ryan!

[Perkie]

It's all the way at the 30 minute mark....

 

[rur]

3 hours ago, RedheadZombie said:

I'm all for the Ryan/Kevin story, but don't expect me to believe that no one noticed "Kevin" is treating his identical twin.

Well . . . in this episode, an orderly "gave" the straight-jacketed patient his meds by putting the cup on the bed for him. So, probably nobody noticed that they looked alike. 

[Sake614]

55 minutes ago, rur said:

an orderly "gave" the straight-jacketed patient his meds by putting the cup on the bed for him

 

Which begs the question, if the patient is in a straight jacket how the hell can he take his meds!???

[rur]

18 minutes ago, Sake614 said:

 

Which begs the question, if the patient is in a straight jacket how the hell can he take his meds!???

Exactly.

[statsgirl]

Do psychiatric hospital even use straight jackets any more? Nowadays it's all drugs.

The only times I've seen straight jackets is in kinky sex ads.

[TVbitch]

11 hours ago, nilyank said:

With Ryan not dying all those years ago, I hold the tiny hope that he had faked Georgie's death as part of his master plan to get back at Mac and Felicia. Georgie could be living out there having a wonderful life with no memories of her previous life.

I am also hoping Patients 1-5 will include some beloved deads coming back. I mean, if they had Drew and Jason, why not AJ too!  

[gp1999]

13 hours ago, statsgirl said:

It's an interesting philosophical question -- how much of what Drew does is Jason's memories and how much is Drew's own personality established over all the pre-kidnapping years?

Losing his Jason memories allowed Drew's personality to dominate.  I tend to think that if he hadn't lost Jason's memories he would eventually have ended up the same as he is now because even with Jason's memories he still rejected mob life in favour of family but it would have taken longer.

Yeah but Drew gained those memories back after he had this whole new personality it is interesting to think of 

1 hour ago, TVbitch said:

I am also hoping Patients 1-5 will include some beloved deads coming back. I mean, if they had Drew and Jason, why not AJ too!  

I don’t think brining AJ back would make sense since they literally showed him being escorted to heaven lol 

[ciarra]

With the talk of recasting Cameron, I was wondering about original Oscar, the one from Joss' party at Carly's house.  Didn't they say he was a piano prodigy?  Or did I make that up?  The only mention of this Oscar being musical was playing guitar for the Nurses' Ball.

[ulkis]

4 minutes ago, ciarra said:

With the talk of recasting Cameron, I was wondering about original Oscar, the one from Joss' party at Carly's house.  Didn't they say he was a piano prodigy?  Or did I make that up?  The only mention of this Oscar being musical was playing guitar for the Nurses' Ball.

No, this Oscar also mentioned that he like to read and listen to music and that made him an outcast from other teens. Seriously.

[Bringonthedrama]

14 hours ago, statsgirl said:

Losing his Jason memories allowed Drew's personality to dominate.  I tend to think that if he hadn't lost Jason's memories he would eventually have ended up the same as he is now because even with Jason's memories he still rejected mob life in favour of family but it would have taken longer.

I agree.  Drew engages with people in a way that Jason just isn't capable, or maybe doesn't care enough to do. When Drew had just met Monica recently, she started to touch on the history of the Q Family. Drew said he would like to hear more. He cares enough to have real conversations with people, to be polite/kind to Alexis even when he and her daughter have broken up, and to still want to spend time with Jake if and when Jake calls him.  Contrast that with Jason being so nonchalant about seeing his mother Monica for the first time after five years, being rude/dismissive to his first love's parent(s),  making the minimum effort to bond with his sons, and giving off a "I can't be bothered with you" vibe to all but a handful of people. 

[bamajen]

6 minutes ago, Bringonthedrama said:

I agree.  Drew engages with people in a way that Jason just isn't capable, or maybe doesn't care enough to do. When Drew had just met Monica recently, she started to touch on the history of the Q Family. Drew said he would like to hear more. He cares enough to have real conversations with people, to be polite/kind to Alexis even when he and her daughter have broken up, and to still want to spend time with Jake if and when Jake calls him.  Contrast that with Jason being so nonchalant about seeing his mother Monica for the first time after five years, being rude/dismissive to his first love's parent(s),  making the minimum effort to bond with his sons, and giving off a "I can't be bothered with you" vibe to all but a handful of people. 

This is exactly why I just can’t see Sam going back to Jason.  He does not fit into her life anymore.  He really doesn’t fit anywhere on the canvas, but they keep inserting him into everyone’s stories.  His episode count is insane.  I loved your thoughts on Drew’s personality and how it came out even before he got Jason’s memories.  I guess we will know soon if Billy is leaving.   

[LexieLily]

If Ryan is the one running around Port Charles for the last six months or so, how did he know to get a wedding ring? How did he know Kevin had gotten married again? 

[Thinbalina]

On 8/8/2018 at 4:33 PM, TeeVee329 said:

I liked Elizabeth Hendrickson on AMC, but she's miscast in this role.  But of course, she's really only here to pair with Billy Miller.

I don't think she's miscast. I like her in this role and I've followed EH on every show she's been on. She's talented and can make it work. I just think coming in as a DA on this show is a disadvantage for any character and it's just a mockery. I don't even know why this show writes for a PCPD department. No one except Shawn goes to jail.

I recall Ted King complaining about his character would never get a chance to win and his character never did.

[PatsyandEddie]

6 hours ago, LexieLily said:

If Ryan is the one running around Port Charles for the last six months or so, how did he know to get a wedding ring? How did he know Kevin had gotten married again? 

 

Stop trying to make sense out of this. The writers certainly don’t bother.