S06.E13: Season 6 Finale Special - Check Up With Dr. Drew, Part 1

[charmed1]

Nathan has the smoothest, most hairless legs I've ever seen on an adult before.

[Darknight]

I swear I just want to go to Walmart find Babs, hug her, take her out, then give her some extra cash for herself.

[GreatKazu]

I missed all the previews with Leah so it was interesting to read how she and her mother figured out a way to manipulate the show and still cash the check. And I agree this isn't a rehab show but Drew does/used to practice addiction medicine so maybe he has a soft spot?   I don't know.

Likely he does except, for being an addiction specialist, he loses me when he goes along with the whole "therapeutic treatment" crap. He, of all people, knows that you can't go along with the addict's warped view of things. He should have told MTV to go kick rocks. If he is going to host this show, he needs to be able to call a thing a thing.  He also lost me long ago when he chose to chastise Randy for having negative feelings towards Adam, and he had me scratching my head when he seemed to bash a father for going to school AND paying his support, something Adam was not doing for Paislee and Aubree for the longest time all the while putting his daughter at risk and yet, he gets his head patted from the "good doctor" for being some misunderstood guy.

 

 

Those MTV people would never rip up one of these girls paycheck - their own jobs depend on these girls.

It was sarcasm, Cosmo. :-) 

 

 

Look how they cater to them, like beg Jenelle to come back on stage - if she doesn't then their show will be lacking.  

That is why they attend the reunions because their contracts bind them. And, just like they can bind them to be on the show, they can bind them to return to the couch and finish the show or else they can kiss their check good-bye. The money will be put in a trust for the child and that child won't be able to access it until they are 25 years old.

[GreatKazu]

Technically, yes, but not really.  The same amount would come out of his check even if his only dependent were Kailyn. So, IMO, it's petty for him to bring up the insurance issue. Since Javi is such a great father to Isaac (eyeroll), he should be thrilled that Isaac is fully insured at no extra expense to him. 

I love this because it is so true. A loving parent doesn't point out what they pay for their child or step-child. The way Javi was mentioning on the reunion show this, that, and the other thing when it came to pointing out what he supposedly doles out for Isaac, THAT is how he and Kail should have been up front with Jo when HE ASKED FOR AN AMOUNT that Kail was needing for Isaac. He asked and asked and got nothing in return. That reeks of when Cory asking  Leah what she needed extra money for when she told him she needed more CS. Her response was clothes. Cory then said he would buy the girlses all the clothes they needed. Leah balked at that idea because it meant she wouldn't have the cash in her hand!

[Lemons]

No, active duty, full time military. One is currently deployed, getting hazard duty pay, but he pays for health care. The other has deployed twice, paid for her healthcare. When I specifically asked about this issue, she called it a civilian rumor.

 

The problem is Javi is exaggerating when he says he pays for Isaac's health care.   He pays for a family health plan because he has a child and a spouse.  Adding another child doesn't change his share of the costs.  He still pays the same amount (whatever it is).  He might pay a couple of dollars more a month for life insurance, but that's not a necessity, unlike health care. 

 

If Javi were a better person he would never mention that fact that he added Isaac to his health plan.  Can't anyone ever just do the right thing and not expect anything in return?

[leighroda]

Ok now I'm fully caught up.

What I'm about to say may be controversial, let me preface it with, I actually have been a certified medical assistant, I am now a nurse... I am in no way shape or form demeaning the job of medical assistants, they work incredibly hard and the job is hard.

However, Jenelle's point that she job is so important saving lives is BS. A medical asst is not allowed to give medical advice, a medical asst can't even give Tylenol (I'm sure regulations vary by state, this is based on where I lived... And I will also add that while technically they can't do those things in most cases the doctor gives a standing order or something similar to allow the MA to do those sort of things). Really my point is, an MA is not likely to be the one giving any life saving measures, they are able to act under a RN or MD... But in a life threatening situation the most qualified professional would take over, so since an MA has to practice under someone else's license, they are not likely the one who would take over in an emergency.

And Jenelle has NO right to demean Barbara, the woman who took HER child in. Barbara wanted her to put Jace up for adoption, she did not "steal" Jace, Jenelle essentially abandoned him, had Barbara not taken him in, who knows would have happened.

And wtf when Barbara asked the hardest question of the night of why it's been 6 years since she tried to get custody of Jace.., and Drew cut her off.

[GreatKazu]

However, Jenelle's point that she job is so important saving lives is BS.

Jenelle tweeted that her comment about saving lives was about her being CPR certified. It had nothing to do with her "career".

[Isthisok]

It should have been "CHEETOS".

You can't just go yelling "Cheetos!" in a crowd of Messers. Last time that happened, a whole holler done got wiped out.

[Isthisok]

Takeaway from Part One:

Nathan, in addition to being a steroid enthusiast, is an upstanding Christian man. What. WHAT. Even Josh Duggar is like, "Bitch, you tried it."

Jenelle is saving lives. The only way Jenelle could possibly save a life would be to surrender her driver's license.

That remark about Barb's job was so disgusting. What has Jenelle kept for 12 years, other than an active rap sheet? She is utter TRASH. She and Nathan deserve each other. Keep drinking those whey protein bottles, Roll, and hitchhike to Grandma's as soon as your fat little legs will carry you.

[lidarose9]

Can we please sign a petition to get jenelle off the show ? She's nothing but ungrateful and disgusting and she doesn't deserve a cent . I know Barbara is her mother and I understand unconditional love , but this goes beyond that . Jenelle doesn't deserve barb to give her the time of day and I wish mtv would fire jenelle and give barb her own tv show . And medical assistant my booty . Like anyone would ever hire her or give her any task to do besides cleaning the toilets

 

I'm starting to feel conflicted about watching this show at all. By watching, we reward MTV for making the show and so all three of these fucked-up families gets rewarded for being fucked-up. (I'm excluding Chelsea.) The only way this shit show will get off the air is if people stop watching. I like to oogle at a car wreck as much as the next person, but as these children are getting older, it's become more obvious this whole process is taking a real toll on them. It's also become more and more apparent that even though these girls seemed like pretty ordinary girls in 16 and Pregnant, they weren't. They were from troubled families. (Again excluding Chelsea and I want to put an asterisk on Barb.) There is a pattern. We will be watching a reality show about these children in 12 years. There we will see pregnant teens, teen moms, drop-outs, juvenile offenders, addiction, maybe an "exotic dancer" and maybe a funeral. I would really like to be wrong about this, but I don't think I am.

 

About Barbara. I give her such a huge pass. Whatever her failings may be. Jace really does have a *chance* at a decent life, if kept away from his egg donor, all thanks to her. 

 

Anyhow. I might have to stop watching. 

[leighroda]

Jenelle tweeted that her comment about saving lives was about her being CPR certified. It had nothing to do with her "career".

Ahh was not aware, but I still give the side eye, and I'm gonna need a medic alert bracelet that state if I'm unresponsive and Jenelle is the only person around me who knows CPR, do not resuscitate.

I referenced the Ashley article earlier, I can't post it from my phone, I was going to wait until next week but I'm going to pose a question now. Apparently Kail and Chelsea are a little disgruntled that Jenelle and Leah are getting more perks with rehab and whatnot, and they feel they should be compensated because it's not fair they essentially get paid less for being responsible, I'm not sure how I feel about that, on one hand I completely understand, with mtv footing Leah's rehab bill (although I'm pretty sure that may have been comped to some degree), and apparently Jenelle threw a tantrum on the flight to LA, went back to SC and MTV paid for a 1,000$ last minute plane ticket to get her back to LA, that's a pretty big difference. I think the argument was that Kail and Chelsea should either be paid to compensate or Jenelle and Leah's expenses should come from their checks.

On the other hand, sometimes life isn't fair and you don't get paid the same as someone who is doing the exact same job as you, and maybe not even as well as you. All of them are being paid for being irresponsible, so I'm not sure what they expect.

[Cosmocrush]

The problem is Javi is exaggerating when he says he pays for Isaac's health care.   He pays for a family health plan because he has a child and a spouse.  Adding another child doesn't change his share of the costs.  He still pays the same amount (whatever it is).  He might pay a couple of dollars more a month for life insurance, but that's not a necessity, unlike health care. 

 

If Javi were a better person he would never mention that fact that he added Isaac to his health plan.  Can't anyone ever just do the right thing and not expect anything in return?

What if Javi had said he was "providing" Issac's heath insurance?   Even if it's not costing him much/anything, he's still the one providing it.  Additional children might not cost him anything extra but they aren't free.    This is an expense that Jo might have to pay for if not for Javi's job.  I think he mentioned it because the topic was child support from Jo to Issac.  

 

I'd like to think that Javi has Issac on his plan because he never considered not putting him on it; he's married to Issac's mother and obviously adores Issac.  I think anyone that volunteers to coach a team of kids doing anything clearly cares about his relationship with that kid.  That he wants some public credit for it is immature but so is Javi. 

 

I referenced the Ashley article earlier, I can't post it from my phone, I was going to wait until next week but I'm going to pose a question now. Apparently Kail and Chelsea are a little disgruntled that Jenelle and Leah are getting more perks with rehab and whatnot, and they feel they should be compensated because it's not fair they essentially get paid less for being responsible, I'm not sure how I feel about that, on one hand I completely understand, with mtv footing Leah's rehab bill (although I'm pretty sure that may have been comped to some degree), and apparently Jenelle threw a tantrum on the flight to LA, went back to SC and MTV paid for a 1,000$ last minute plane ticket to get her back to LA, that's a pretty big difference. I think the argument was that Kail and Chelsea should either be paid to compensate or Jenelle and Leah's expenses should come from their checks.

On the other hand, sometimes life isn't fair and you don't get paid the same as someone who is doing the exact same job as you, and maybe not even as well as you. All of them are being paid for being irresponsible, so I'm not sure what they expect.

Interesting. I know that when my husband's company paid for our move [expensive] it was a great perk but it was counted as income and we had to pay income taxes on it, which was kind of a shocker the first time.    Maybe that's the same for extra perks like rehab and plane tickets? I can understand their argument, but if I were Chelsea and Kailyn I'd probably let it go.  I'm not sure that's the hill they want to die on.

 

Maybe Kailyn and Chelsea should just be grateful they have managed to stay out of rehab and jail and haven't caused the kind of drama that necessitates the need for last minute plane tickets.   In other words, let Leah and Jenelle have these few extras and be glad  they aren't them. In the big picture, it's not going to matter for Chelsea or Kailyn and sadly probably not for Leah or Jenelle either. 

 

One thing I learned over the years is counting other people's money is rarely productive and almost always ends in me being pissed off, lol.  

Edited October 3, 2015 by Cosmocrush

[SPLAIN]

I feel bad for Leah because she wasn't in any shape to do the show this season; no one would want that part of their lives documented.  I have a feeling someone talked her into it [producers?  Dawn?] Or maybe it seemed like an answer to her money problems?   Still, three kids under five, one with special needs, a second marriage in three years to fall apart, and a doctor's prescription for Xanax [or whatever] I'd probably have a pill problem at that age too. 

 

 

Those MTV people would never rip up one of these girls paycheck - their own jobs depend on these girls.  Look how they cater to them, like beg Jenelle to come back on stage - if she doesn't then their show will be lacking.   I agree this show is anything but a "docu-series" but it is a moneymaker for MTV.  And as long as they are raking it the girls need to get paid accordingly.  On the other hand, these fat paychecks [at least for their ages] make alot of the content completely unrealistic.    It's a catch-22.  

A pill problem  due to choices Leah made. It is one thing to have unfortunate things happen in life, it is another to create the very problems that she continues to blame others for.  The only part of Leah's life that she didn't want documented or acknowledged was her addiction and her promiscuity.  Leah's problems go deeper than just Xanax and not having the financial means to support herself and her children. Leah's problems are of her own doing. I am not referring to having twins at a young age. I am referring to all the things she did that led to her being dishonest to Cory even before she married him and all the choices she made since.

 

Leah is claiming to be on the right path but, we know that is not true because she is right back in the arms, and bed, of another guy, who is a stranger to her children. How is it the Messers think that is healthy or even safe?

Edited October 3, 2015 by SPLAIN

[leighroda]

What if Javi had said he was "providing" Issac's heath insurance? Even if it's not costing him much/anything, he's still the one providing it. Additional children might not cost him anything extra but they aren't free. This is an expense that Jo might have to pay for if not for Javi's job. I think he mentioned it because the topic was child support from Jo to Issac.

I'd like to think that Javi has Issac on his plan because he never considered not putting him on it; he's married to Issac's mother and obviously adores Issac. I think anyone that volunteers to coach a team of kids doing anything clearly cares about his relationship with that kid. That he wants some public credit for it is immature but so is Javi.

Interesting. I know that when my husband's company paid for our move [expensive] it was a great perk but it was counted as income and we had to pay income taxes on it, which was kind of a shocker the first time. Maybe that's the same for extra perks like rehab and plane tickets? I can understand their argument, but if I were Chelsea and Kailyn I'd probably let it go. I'm not sure that's the hill they want to die on.

Maybe Kailyn and Chelsea should just be grateful they have managed to stay out of rehab and jail and haven't caused the kind of drama that necessitates the need for last minute plane tickets. In other words, let Leah and Jenelle have these few extras and be glad they aren't them. In the big picture, it's not going to matter for Chelsea or Kailyn and sadly probably not for Leah or Jenelle either.

One thing I learned over the years is counting other people's money is rarely productive and almost always ends in me being pissed off, lol.

I totally agree, I think you said it better than I did. I think that's why I kinda feel both ways, I agree that it's not necessarily fair that Jenelle are getting extra "perks" (if you can call it that), but they also have relatively stable lives (I know Kail hasn't always, but it seems like for the most part she does now), and that's something money can't by, so maybe they should just cut their losses and call it a day, as boring as she may be, if I had to choose one of the girls lives, I would say Chelsea is the most stable (with her fathers help).

I can see there being a little jealousy though over the way Leah and Jenelle are coddled, even though all of the girls are for sure coddled, I get annoyed seeing it as a viewer, but Chelsea and Kail live it, and have to sit next to Leah and Jenelle while they blame everything away.

Speaking of, they really should put a clause that they can't walk off the stage, this group of teen moms are so defensive about every little thing, and anytime they don't want to answer a question they pull the "anxiety" card. I swear I'm not really a Chelsea apologist, I don't think she's perfect... But at least when she got questioned about harder things like when she was hooking up with Adam, she owned up to them (feel free to correct me if I'm having selective memory and not remembering something she did).

I forgot to mention, in the Ashley article, when mama dawn didn't want Leah to be on the reunion because she was too fragile, she said she almost died from depression/anxiety. I want to be careful how I state this because I am not belittling how miserable depression/anxiety are... They are extremely serious, and I myself have been hospitalized due to them, so they are very real, However... If Leah almost died from anything it was drugs, not anxiety. People don't just generally drop dead from either, yes your blood pressure can go up, you can develop hypertension, and in theory you could eventually die, but most people do not just drop dead on the spot due to 1 panic attack the way it sounded to me like dawn was justifying the whole monkey thing... Also I would venture to add, if Leah was truly that close to death, and they were that concerned, why the hell did she sign up for this season, these problems did not pop up overnight, she even had already backed out, but she is the one in the end who decided to stay on the show and placing that as priority over her own health and the girlies well being, so I can't really muster any sympathy for her.

[Freckledbruh]

What if Javi had said he was "providing" Issac's heath insurance?   Even if it's not costing him much/anything, he's still the one providing it.  Additional children might not cost him anything extra but they aren't free.    This is an expense that Jo might have to pay for if not for Javi's job.  I think he mentioned it because the topic was child support from Jo to Issac.  

 

I'd like to think that Javi has Issac on his plan because he never considered not putting him on it; he's married to Issac's mother and obviously adores Issac.  I think anyone that volunteers to coach a team of kids doing anything clearly cares about his relationship with that kid.  That he wants some public credit for it is immature but so is Javi. 

If the court ordered child support doesn't specify that Jo must provide health insurance for Isaac then that means that he and Kail were responsible to pay half of it each. This is why I think Kail was so hell bent on marrying the benefits, I mean Javi, because SHE wasn't going to pay a dime for that. If Javi wants Jo to provide health insurance for Isaac (that will be worse than Tricare) then he just needs to say so and then have Kail go to court. In addition, having relatives in the military, I know that their insurance isn't handled like the private sector so Javi isn't paying $100+ extra for Isaac. At most it is $5 so he can send Jo a bill for the $2.50 per month if it bothers him that much.

[zenme]

No. It's ZERO.

Maybe Javi should disenroll Isaac from the insurance so that Isaac has none, and then Kailyn would have to find Isaac private insurance so that both she and Jo can split that and the co-pays. It won't happen, and the thing is, the same amount would still be deducted from Javi's check every month--with or without Isaac.

Edited October 3, 2015 by zenme

[MissMel]

I'm certified in CPR. I'm also permitted to carry. I also keep chewable aspirin and liquid Benadryl in my purse, just in case. So basically, I can save your life until the professionals get here or I am prepared to end it or die trying, until then. I also have my prepaid funeral home card with directions on what to do with me if I pass. Law enforcement appreciates these things, depending on the circumstance.

I don't expect a gold star for any of it. In fact, I'd rather have the Walmart deli lady or school lunch lady get the star. They deserve it more, Janelle. Grow up and take some responsibility in your life. Leah, too. No monkey.

[Jax7917]

In all honesty if I were jenelle and Leah , I would be the one asking for more money than the other 2 ( especially Chelsea ) . Jenelle and Leah's segments are all about being train wrecks and giving us entertainment while Chelsea's are about owning a pig ..,

Don't get me wrong none of them should be getting anything . They're not teens anymore , therefore should not be on a show entitled " teen moms ". What are they gonna do this till they're 40 and still be teen moms .

Also who does dr. Drew think he's fooling . Teen pregnancy dropped because of them ? If anything more people are trying to get pregnant cuz they see these girls getting paid and being on a tv show

[Adiba]

No. It's ZERO.

Maybe Javi should disenroll Isaac from the insurance so that Isaac has none, and then Kailyn would have to find Isaac private insurance so that both she and Jo can split that and the co-pays. It won't happen, and the thing is, the same amount would still be deducted from Javi's check every month--with or without Isaac.

I was thinking the same thing. If Jo were to get Isaac insurance on his own, Kail would have to split the premiums and copays with him-- so putting Isaac on Javi's at a zero extra premium cost makes more sense for everyone. That's why I think it's unfair and petty of Javi to bring it up. Also, with regard to other expenses, Kail has to distinguish between "wants" and "needs." Jo needs to be consulted on tuition for private school and other " wants" for Isaac if she expects Jo to contribute.

As for Jenelle and Leah getting more, I'm on the fence about that. Really, the whole show has rewarded all of them for bad choices in a sense ( getting pregnant as a teen), so Jenelle and Leah getting extra is par for the course.

[Mkay]

I think Javi's caring for Isaac comes in spurts. I do not think he adores Isaac. When you adore someone you don't shrug them to the side when you get angry at their mother. When he gets mad at Kail he is quick to remind her he is HER responsibility not his.

It's pretty clear after kail and Chelsea's comlaint that all any of them care for now is the money. It's time to stop.

Edited October 3, 2015 by Mkay

[Cosmocrush]

No. It's ZERO.

Maybe Javi should disenroll Isaac from the insurance so that Isaac has none, and then Kailyn would have to find Isaac private insurance so that both she and Jo can split that and the co-pays. It won't happen, and the thing is, the same amount would still be deducted from Javi's check every month--with or without Isaac.

I think my post was misunderstood;  Yes,  Javi isn't paying anything for the health insurance but it's not free, just because it's free to Javi and Kailyn [and any other qualified military personnel]  It's paid for by the federal government.  And it's one thing that Jo doesn't have to contribute money for, which I think is all Javi was saying - not that he begrudged doing it at all. And yes it was probably immature to bring it up but Javi is immature. 

 

A pill problem  due to choices Leah made. It is one thing to have unfortunate things happen in life, it is another to create the very problems that she continues to blame others for.  The only part of Leah's life that she didn't want documented or acknowledged was her addiction and her promiscuity.  Leah's problems go deeper than just Xanax and not having the financial means to support herself and her children. Leah's problems are of her own doing. I am not referring to having twins at a young age. I am referring to all the things she did that led to her being dishonest to Cory even before she married him and all the choices she made since.

 

Leah is claiming to be on the right path but, we know that is not true because she is right back in the arms, and bed, of another guy, who is a stranger to her children. How is it the Messers think that is healthy or even safe?

 

I don't disagree with any of this; Leah has certainly made some terrible choices and she's in a pretty bad place  I think deciding to film this season was just one of those choices.   But that doesn't preclude me from feeling some compassion for her situation.   She's  young and I hope for her sake and her kids that she will eventually able to straighten things out and be happy.

Edited October 3, 2015 by Cosmocrush

[Freckledbruh]

I think my post was misunderstood;  Yes,  Javi isn't paying anything for the health insurance but it's not free, just because it's free to Javi and Kailyn [and any other qualified military personnel]  It's paid for by the federal government.  And it's one thing that Jo doesn't have to contribute money for, which I think is all Javi was saying - not that he begrudged doing it at all. And yes it was probably immature to bring it up but Javi is immature. 

 

If Javi didn't begrudge providing the insurance, then why even bring it up at all? Also, Jo would not have been guaranteed to even provide health insurance (especially now if he is unemployed) because if neither parent works, they have to split the cost OR Kail would be responsible for it all since she has more income. Obviously Javi feels some kind of way about it since he has brought it up multiple times. I certainly don't keep harping on something that costs me nothing unless I resent doing it in the first place. In fact, if he wants to be salty about it, he should be directing that frustration to Kail since she was responsible for 50% of the insurance payments for Isaac before they got together.

[ranchgirl]

Jenelle walked off the set twice while filming.  She is a ticking time bomb.  She doesn't let anyone finish a point and she doesn't hear anything that Barb is saying.  I wish Drew (refuse to call him a dr.) would ask Jenelle to repeat back to him what she heard Barb saying.   I bet Jenelle is "hearing" something totally different than what Barb is trying to convey.  Someone needs to teach those two some positive communication skills so they both feel that their thoughts and feelings are being heard correctly.  

Obviously if Jenelle has to leave the taping twice while sitting with her loved ones, the girl needs to make some extreme changes in her life.  The biggest one should be to start appreciating what her mother has done with her son and own up to herself that her mom had to step in to save Jace's life. 

Edited October 3, 2015 by ranchgirl

[BitterApple]

I can see both sides of the argument regarding Kail/Chelsea and Leah/Jenelle. On the one hand, yeah it sucks to see people rewarded for being a shitshow, yet on the other it's the drama and trainwreck factor that bring the ratings in.

Chelsea's storyline this season was a running pep rally for helium-voiced Cole as Bestest Sort-of Dad Evah. Oh, and she got a pig. Kail's was slightly better, but still high on the boring scale. Fights with Javi and an ambiguous battle over child support with Jo. Leah and Jenelle, on the other hand, brought the crazy. Domestic violence arrests, freeway chases, rehab-not-rehab, addiction denial, hillbilly relatives, gym time, and meetings with an attorney who looked like she got her makeup tips from Jem and the Holograms. I mean, seriously, if that isn't the recipe for reality TV gold, I don't know what is. File under: Life ain't fair, buttercup, move on.

Edited October 3, 2015 by BitterApple

[FozzyBear]

How convenient for Jenelle. She purposely times her panic attacks to coincide with Kaiser's daycare and sleep schedule. I didn't realize a person in such an unstable state could control onsets of attacks. Silly me, I thought they just happened whenever.

Yeah, I was about to say that panic attacks aren't really something you can schedule. She's either lying about what happens to Kieser when she has them or she's lying about even having them in the first place. I could buy either from Janelle.

I don't mean to start a hornet's nest here but does anyone think it's a little odd how uninterested Barbara is in Keiser? It sounds like that kid is living in a really dangerous situation and Barbara doesn't even bring that up. I know it's Janelle and Nathan's responsibility and I get Barbara not wanting to take on another baby, but she rarely even mentions him. All 3 adults act only vaguely aware of his existence. That whole family is just weird.

[Freckledbruh]

I don't mean to start a hornet's nest here but does anyone think it's a little odd how uninterested Barbara is in Keiser? It sounds like that kid is living in a really dangerous situation and Barbara doesn't even bring that up. I know it's Janelle and Nathan's responsibility and I get Barbara not wanting to take on another baby, but she rarely even mentions him. All 3 adults act only vaguely aware of his existence. That whole family is just weird.

I think Barb drew a line in the sand not just with Janelle but with herself that she wasn't going to take in Kaiser so she unconsciously (or even consciously) makes an emotional distance from him so that she doesn't cave on her bottom line. JMHO.

[SPLAIN]

I think Barb drew a line in the sand not just with Janelle but with herself that she wasn't going to take in Kaiser so she unconsciously (or even consciously) makes an emotional distance from him so that she doesn't cave on her bottom line. JMHO.

Not to mention, Barb was not allowed to be around Kaiser because Nipples kept him from her for various reasons such as pettiness and revenge. Nipples has a mother who would likely fight to retain custody of Kaiser should something happen to Jenelle.  Barb is likely afraid to grow attached to the little roll knowing there might be a chance he will be taken from Jenelle by Nipples or even the state one day. At the rate Jenelle is going, she will physically go after the wrong guy and he will do more than just wrestle her for her phone.

 

I don't want to quote those who mentioned the issue about Jo needing to pay for health insurance, I will just respond to it. Not sure that you are aware of this but, in my state, and apparently in many other states, when child support is calculated, health insurance is also calculated in that amount. Let me explain. A friend of mine has an ex. The child support he was ordered to pay included an amount that is half of the amount my friend is paying for her portion of health insurance through her work. They decided to use her health insurance because it offers much more. Jo's child support amount likely includes that portion for Isaac's health care. Therefore, Jo is already contributing to his 50% share of health insurance and Kail is providing her 50% through Javi's benefits because he is Kail's spouse.

 

One thing to note about all of that is, Javi has shown a few times that he may resent Isaac. When Javi perceives some asshole behavior coming from Kail or Jo, he throws out Isaac's name. He either reminds people of what he is doing for that kid or he is telling Kail that he is her responsibility, not his. Way to go you prick! Isaac is going to see this show one day and hear how he was a lovely pawn in Javi's game of "Not my kid, not my problem."  A person wouldn't mention such things if deep down inside they didn't harbor any sort of negative feelings or resentment about the child. Javi's issues are with his wife, the slug. They shouldn't be Isaac's problems nor should Isaac ever feel he was part of any of these adult problems. I have yet to read or hear Jo complain about all of this that goes down in front of his son. You can bet if this was happening to Lincoln, and it will one day, Javi would have a fit over it.

[lezlers]

Drew always rides Jo and Corey's asses.  It's weird, he only comes down on the good, responsible fathers.  He coddles everyone else.  I really don't understand it. 

[cheatincheetos]

Lol! I think? Jo may be balding and used one of those spray on hair products. The very center of the top of his head was brown while everything else was black.

 

Ugh,he's starting to look like Josh Duggar.

[Darknight]

Yeah, I was about to say that panic attacks aren't really something you can schedule. She's either lying about what happens to Kieser when she has them or she's lying about even having them in the first place. I could buy either from Janelle.

I don't mean to start a hornet's nest here but does anyone think it's a little odd how uninterested Barbara is in Keiser? It sounds like that kid is living in a really dangerous situation and Barbara doesn't even bring that up. I know it's Janelle and Nathan's responsibility and I get Barbara not wanting to take on another baby, but she rarely even mentions him. All 3 adults act only vaguely aware of his existence. That whole family is just weird.

Maybe because if Nathan. Babs know Jenelle doesn't care about the roll. But Nathan would manipulate her with the roll. Imagine Babs dealing with two idiots fighting for custody. Bad enough she has to deal with Jenelle for Jace

[FozzyBear]

Drew always rides Jo and Corey's asses. It's weird, he only comes down on the good, responsible fathers. He coddles everyone else. I really don't understand it.

Yeah, my take on Dr Drew has always been that he is a deeply sexist person who underneath his 21st century LA persona (what the fuck is up with that tan? Did he fall in a vat of self-tanner?) can only accept very traditional gender roles where men act as parental figures to their wives who in turn act as emotionally fragile symbols of home life. While still traditional men in many ways, Cory and Joe have a tendency to speak to Kali and Leah in a fairly straight forward way. They engage with them as if they are equals instead of being either above or beneath them. I don't think Dr Drew actually likes that. I think he thinks relationships should have an dominate and submissive partner so while Nathan and Adam are pure shit, they are also dominate in the sense that they expect to be able to dictate how Chelsea and Janelle think and behave. While Dr Drew may not like the particular direction of their control, I do believe he thinks that is how men should behave and that women should be kept at home as secondary adults in a family. I also think Dr Drew endorses a certain amount of emotional manipulation and game playing in relationships. He's always trying to tell all the TM girls what the guys really meant when they say awful shit. He seems to be a big fan of the "boys will be boys" "men are from Mars, women are from Venus" school of thought on gender dynamics where women are always understanding how great some guy is deep down without any evidence and men are supposed to write off straight up crazy behavior as femal emotions. It's sort of convoluted, but I also think Dr Drew is a fucking idiot that hasn't a clue as to what he's talking about.

[leighroda]

Ugh,he's starting to look like Josh Duggar.

OMG you're right!

[BitterApple]

My addict cousin has five children by three baby daddies. Every time my aunt and uncle swore they wouldn't take in another baby, one was promptly left on their doorstep after my cousin decided she had better things to do than be a mother.

I can understand where Barb is coming from because as soon as she shows the slightest interest in Kaiser or offers to take him for the weekend, she might as well make up a room because the kid's hers for life.

[MissMel]

Yeah, my take on Dr Drew has always been that he is a deeply sexist person who underneath his 21st century LA persona (what the fuck is up with that tan? Did he fall in a vat of self-tanner?) can only accept very traditional gender roles where men act as parental figures to their wives who in turn act as emotionally fragile symbols of home life. While still traditional men in many ways, Cory and Joe have a tendency to speak to Kali and Leah in a fairly straight forward way. They engage with them as if they are equals instead of being either above or beneath them. I don't think Dr Drew actually likes that. I think he thinks relationships should have an dominate and submissive partner so while Nathan and Adam are pure shit, they are also dominate in the sense that they expect to be able to dictate how Chelsea and Janelle think and behave. While Dr Drew may not like the particular direction of their control, I do believe he thinks that is how men should behave and that women should be kept at home as secondary adults in a family. I also think Dr Drew endorses a certain amount of emotional manipulation and game playing in relationships. He's always trying to tell all the TM girls what the guys really meant when they say awful shit. He seems to be a big fan of the "boys will be boys" "men are from Mars, women are from Venus" school of thought on gender dynamics where women are always understanding how great some guy is deep down without any evidence and men are supposed to write off straight up crazy behavior as femal emotions. It's sort of convoluted, but I also think Dr Drew is a fucking idiot that hasn't a clue as to what he's talking about.

I also think he gives a pass to the "crappier" dads. It's almost like since he has triplets, nobody can beat him in the "father field" and anyone that comes close is a threat of some sort. I don't doubt he put in some work when his kids were smaller but I don't believe for a second he did any heavy-lifting, either. I mean come on, if your wife has two hands and three kids? Logic tells us someone is going to need to help out from time to time. Poor Adumb is too simple to handle it and Corey only has twins so he should be doing way better. Says Dr. Sad Panda [/sarcasm]

[cheatincheetos]

Jenelle was pissed because Nathan didn't want to sit next to her. That is why he threw out the "victim" statement that he always resorts to. Jenelle lied and told Dr. Drew he sat down and said something to her. She of course didn't mention that she made it a big deal that Nathan sat 12 inches away from her. She had to have him practically in her lap before she would consent to sitting down at that couch.

She needs to be wrapped around his arm, leg, or other ...appendage at all times. Like the helpless wimmin in Frazetta's old fantasy paintings. Juxtapose all this with the scenes where she gets a restraining order and says she wants him gone.

 

[lezlers]

Also (I finally got around to watching the show this morning while on the treadmill, a surprisingly effective way to watch since it keeps me from throwing shit at the TV) but what is up with this "I'm saving lives!" bullshit from Jenelle?  I'm not dissing medical assistants at all, it's a reputable job, one my sister in law who I love dearly has, but all I've ever seen them do is take my blood pressure, weight and temp when I go to the doctor.  If anything was going sideways?  That's when I'd see a nurse and/or doctor.  Even if by some miracle she DOES get a job as a medical assistant, the closest she's going to get to "saving lives" is going to be saying "HEY CAN SOMEONE COME IN HERE AND CHECK THIS OUT?" if someone's blood pressure is high.  You know, when she's not busy stealing pills from locked cabinets. 

Edited October 3, 2015 by lezlers

[Shelby]

She needs to be wrapped around his arm, leg, or other ...appendage at all times. Like the helpless wimmin in Frazetta's old fantasy paintings. Juxtapose all this with the scenes where she gets a restraining order and says she wants him gone.

Cheetos, you have me in stitches with this image. It's perfect, and Jenelle's facial expression says it all.

Nipples wishes he had those legs, in his dreams.

[Scorpiosunshine]

She needs to be wrapped around his arm, leg, or other ...appendage at all times. Like the helpless wimmin in Frazetta's old fantasy paintings. Juxtapose all this with the scenes where she gets a restraining order and says she wants him gone.

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Bwahahahha!! That pic is awesome!! Edited October 3, 2015 by Scorpiosunshine

[GreatKazu]

 

She needs to be wrapped around his arm, leg, or other ...appendage at all times. Like the helpless wimmin in Frazetta's old fantasy paintings. Juxtapose all this with the scenes where she gets a restraining order and says she wants him gone.

Laughing here so much, I have tears coming down!!! LOL @ *kidding! not a mom.

 

I don't know why Dr. Drew is the way he is. I will just assume he is just reading the cards that have snippets of information on them without having watched the show. MTV hands him those cards a few hours beforehand and he just skims over them, much like all the people on every talk show. He reads "Cory has been judging Leah and wants to take the kids from her." I am guessing there are leading questions written on those cards for Dr. Drew to use and he goes from there depending on the answers he gets. Does he honestly think Adam is just misunderstood and he is a good guy trying to see his kid while Cory is an asshole?  If that is what is written down on those cards without Dr. Drew having watched the show, then it it makes sense why Dr. Drew comes off like those countless minions on Twitter. Going solely by what he is being given without all the pieces of the puzzle to give a proper analysis of each person on the show. I don't know. He didn't even seem to be making sense with Nathan and Jenelle, and he straight out mentioned the DV that was going on. WTF?

[GreatKazu]

Forgot to mention, the supposed pay raise that Chelsea and Kail are seeking because of Leah and Jenelle's antics. I only read the article once. Could it be they are upset and seeking extra pay for having to stand around and having to wait since they can't film until the entire cast is there ready to film? I would imagine Kail, Chelsea, Cole, and Javi have planes to catch and lives to get back to. I know Leah and Jenelle don't even know what it means to miss work, school, or any of the other things that normal people have to do in life. Javi is in the air force and I imagine he needs to get his ass back to Delaware, not hang around waiting another day for Jenelle to show up from the east coast. Cory and Cole work, too. They all ain't got time for those two girls to get their shit together.

[Mkay]

 

 

 

One thing to note about all of that is, Javi has shown a few times that he may resent Isaac. When Javi perceives some asshole behavior coming from Kail or Jo, he throws out Isaac's name. He either reminds people of what he is doing for that kid or he is telling Kail that he is her responsibility, not his. Way to go you prick! Isaac is going to see this show one day and hear how he was a lovely pawn in Javi's game of "Not my kid, not my problem."  A person wouldn't mention such things if deep down inside they didn't harbor any sort of negative feelings or resentment about the child. Javi's issues are with his wife, the slug. They shouldn't be Isaac's problems nor should Isaac ever feel he was part of any of these adult problems. I have yet to read or hear Jo complain about all of this that goes down in front of his son. You can bet if this was happening to Lincoln, and it will one day, Javi would have a fit over it.

Exactly!! I mentioned it above. But it was skipped over so I assumed I was the ONLY one who saw it that way. 

[Mkay]

Forgot to mention, the supposed pay raise that Chelsea and Kail are seeking because of Leah and Jenelle's antics. I only read the article once. Could it be they are upset and seeking extra pay for having to stand around and having to wait since they can't film until the entire cast is there ready to film? I would imagine Kail, Chelsea, Cole, and Javi have planes to catch and lives to get back to. I know Leah and Jenelle don't even know what it means to miss work, school, or any of the other things that normal people have to do in life. Javi is in the air force and I imagine he needs to get his ass back to Delaware, not hang around waiting another day for Jenelle to show up from the east coast. Cory and Cole work, too. They all ain't got time for those two girls to get their shit together.

I would really be ok with not seeing Big Poopy on the reunion show.  He can stay in Delaware next time.

[MyPeopleAreNordic]

It just baffles me that 21-22-23 these girls have such egos that they treat so many people who work with them the way they do: trying to back out of going to the reunion after fighting with a boyfriend, walking off the stage, demanding to have control of the narrative (ie: Leah and the safe word, etc). Maybe it's because I've always been more passive and had manners drilled into me, but I never would have treated people who I worked with and for like this. I would have been all "yes sir/yes ma'am/I'm so sorry/what can I do to make it better"/etc. I would have wanted to make filming and everything as easy as possible for all of us so that the people I worked with liked me. These girls blow my mind.

Edited October 4, 2015 by MyPeopleAreNordic

[kira28]

Dr. Drew is a moron!! He really attacked jo for no reason. For cripes sake the guy moved to Delaware to be able to see his son more often. Give him a break. Kail is not the easiest person to get along with and I'm sure she did not give him times for the games and she admits she did not tell him about the graduation. Javi bragging that he gets up early goes to work and still makes it to the games on time.. Ur the coach idiot. U have to be there and know exactly what time the games are!! I understand jo not having a job.. This show is his job. Maybe he and vee get money for stories about the baby. Maybe he had living expenses saved based on the child support amount he was currently paying and Kail wanted to screw that up by demanding more. I truly think Kail talked to a lawyer and found out jo would likely get 50/50 custody and pay less support if they went to court. That's y she was so prim and proper and defending jo the whole time. If jo can support himself on the salary he makes from the show.. So be it. Javi is a little bitch. He has the nerve to say he pays for issacs insurance when it's free to him. Plus guess what Javi ur wife is responsible for 50%or more.. As I'm sure she makes more money than jo.. Of issacs care. If he and Kail decided that she will stay home and only Javi will work than Kalis share of financial responsibility transfers to Javi. If he's upset by that make your wife get a job. When ur a step parent and ur spouse does not work then it becomes your responsibility to pay for her child.. At least to cover her share. They seem to think since kail chooses not to work then jo should contribute more. Hate hate hate Janelle. Hope karma gets thst ungrateful bitch. Your mom didn't steal ur kid. She doesn't think she owns him. She loves him. Something Janelle simply never has done. I scoffed at Janelle saying she will save lives. Honey u will weigh people and take blood pressures. Barb is the only one who has saved a life. Jaces life. As she said she gave up her own life to care for him full time.

Edited October 6, 2015 by kira28

[MyPeopleAreNordic]

Forgot to mention, the supposed pay raise that Chelsea and Kail are seeking because of Leah and Jenelle's antics. I only read the article once. Could it be they are upset and seeking extra pay for having to stand around and having to wait since they can't film until the entire cast is there ready to film? I would imagine Kail, Chelsea, Cole, and Javi have planes to catch and lives to get back to. I know Leah and Jenelle don't even know what it means to miss work, school, or any of the other things that normal people have to do in life. Javi is in the air force and I imagine he needs to get his ass back to Delaware, not hang around waiting another day for Jenelle to show up from the east coast. Cory and Cole work, too. They all ain't got time for those two girls to get their shit together.

If I had to "work" with Jenelle and a pillses-ed up Leah (and her screaming mama) at filmings for reunion shows, after shows, press junkets, etc I would be asking for a pay raise too. Anyone who has to work around/with Jenelle (and Nathan) deserves some kind of hazard pay.

[MyPeopleAreNordic]

I don't mean to start a hornet's nest here but does anyone think it's a little odd how uninterested Barbara is in Keiser? It sounds like that kid is living in a really dangerous situation and Barbara doesn't even bring that up. I know it's Janelle and Nathan's responsibility and I get Barbara not wanting to take on another baby, but she rarely even mentions him. All 3 adults act only vaguely aware of his existence. That whole family is just weird.

I understand (as some others have posted) why Barb may have to keep an emotional distance from Kaiser as to not end up raising another of Jenelle's kids and I also agree that Nathan (and the fact that Barb sees through him) has probably kept Barb from being able to bond with Kaiser as she probably would have liked to in a more "normal" grandparent/grand baby situation. It's very sad for Kaiser, Barb, and Jace but it's really a situation that was created by Jenelle (and Nathan).

I only hope that Nathan's mom (despite having raised Nathan) has Kaiser the majority of the time when MTV cameras aren't around to inspire Jenelle to "have him for a whole month" and that Nathan's mom interacts with Kaiser, cuddles with him, encourages him, etc.

I hope that Nathan's mom can be a mom to Kaiser the way Barb is to Jace. Poor kid is in trouble if Jenelle and Nathan really are his main caretakers the majority of the time/when MTV cameras aren't filming. I hope that if Nathan's mom really is Kaiser's main caregiver that she is somehow able to get custody of him so Jenelle can't try to come in and take Kaiser back years later because one of her douchebag soul mates of the moment wants her to or whatever.

Edited October 4, 2015 by MyPeopleAreNordic

[luvly]

Part of me wants to believe everything's on the up and up with Jo, but there are just too many concessions, what if's and benefits of the doubt necessary in order for it to make sense. I just feel like the base issue is that he doesn't need to (because of some under the table gigs or a large windfall) or doesn't want to work a traditional job and everything else is smoke and mirrors to deflect and distract. Generally if somebody is handling their duties to the best of their abilities, I don't care about the details but my issue is this: it's been years since CS was re-evaluated. That's when "If he's paying, it shouldn't matter if he has a job" flies out the window for me. Kids are expensive, they only get more expensive as they get older, and he's currently paying a suitable amount for a 2/3 year old based on an irrelevant income with a 2012 cost of living adjustment for the state of Pennsylvania. There isn't a single thing that isn't outdated about that. So knowing that you're not paying a commensurate amount and being on the verge of tears about possibly not being able to support yourself while still maintaining that you could get a 9-5 job but don't want to? That doesn't feel like the best of his ability to me. If they had ended up in court, he'd have been SOL because DE assumes a minimum income (40 hrs @ min. wage) and will use past income or reasonably expected income if you're voluntarily unemployed or underemployed and can't prove that you've been diligently looking for work.

 

I'll give credit where credit is due, though. He hasn't balked at paying more, he just wants some numbers which I do think Kail should give him (and probably would have given him if Javi wasn't there, imo). I also don't think Kail dropped the issue out of fear of getting less CS or Jo going for more visitation. She is on record saying that she was fine with working something out between the two of them when Jo first brought it up, it was Javi who thought they should continue to go through the courts (which I don't completely disagree with). Jo is on record saying that he found the 6 week on/off schedule too difficult and didn't want to do it again this summer. I think the most likely outcome is the simplest, they went with the original plan. 

[ghoulina]

Ahh was not aware, but I still give the side eye, and I'm gonna need a medic alert bracelet that state if I'm unresponsive and Jenelle is the only person around me who knows CPR, do not resuscitate.

 

Right? Jenelle supposedly being CPR certified does nothing for me. We would have to suppose that, in a situation where it was needed, she would have the presence of mind to actually act. So this would mean she could not be high, high, high...or in the midst of an anxiety attack, or crying about how someone was so "mean" to her, or fighting with a friend over a hoodie. Point being, Jenelle is one of the most self involved people I've ever seen. Ability aside, I don't see her stepping up and trying to save someone. 

 

But the way she acted so haughty - SHE can save lives, and Barb only slings deli meat. Barb could easily go get CPR certified herself. Then what, bitch????

 

 

 

 

I can see there being a little jealousy though over the way Leah and Jenelle are coddled, even though all of the girls are for sure coddled, I get annoyed seeing it as a viewer, but Chelsea and Kail live it, and have to sit next to Leah and Jenelle while they blame everything away.

 

While Kail has never had an addiction (other than to scarves), I still think Drew coddles her as well. She stormed off the stage that one year and wailed about being picked on. Ever since then, he has seemed afraid of her. I thought he was really soft on her this year. He barely focused on the fact that she wanted to divorce her husband, and let the blame for that basically fall on Javi's insecurities. Nothing was said about Kail spending way more time with her friends than her husband,or directly provoking Javi and expecting him to just be cool with it because "that's just the way she is". Drew went after Jo pretty hard, but never asked Kail just how much more she wanted or why. He never questioned HER finances. 

 

I think the only girl he never really gives a pass to is Chelsea, oddly. I've seen him be pretty hard on her in regards to her treatment of Adumb. He's always ass backwards.

 

 

 

 

She doesn't let anyone finish a point and she doesn't hear anything that Barb is saying.  I wish Drew (refuse to call him a dr.) would ask Jenelle to repeat back to him what she heard Barb saying.   I bet Jenelle is "hearing" something totally different than what Barb is trying to convey.

 

She absolutely hears something different. She said both that Barb thinks she "owns" Jace and that she thinks she "deserves" Jace - two things Barb never said. Jenelle constantly views herself as a victim and just hears/sees whatever fits that narrative.

 

 

 

 

Yeah, I was about to say that panic attacks aren't really something you can schedule. She's either lying about what happens to Kieser when she has them or she's lying about even having them in the first place. I could buy either from Janelle.

 

I think she's probably lying, or exaggerating, about having panic attacks. She probably thinks being stressed or upset is a panic attack. I have pretty bad anxiety, but I've only ever had one full blown panic attack. There is a difference. What I believe happens is she goes and cries in her room, in her narcissistic, self-indulgent state whenever she damn well feels like it and leaves Kaiser to fend for himself. He probably is at daycare a lot, though. 

Edited October 4, 2015 by ghoulina

[Sounditout]

These reunion shows make me so mad I am not sure why I still watch. Maybe I am hoping one of these days Dr. Drew will have had enough and just go off on them all. He must be on some good meds or something to be so calm with them. We shouldn't be surprised that he coddles the girls though. MTV coddles them too, big time. Whoever said they want to baby them so they don't walk off the stage was spot on. It makes me sick the way MTV and everyone associated panders to these girls when some of them are ruining little kids' lives! But hey don'tcha know these girls have decreased teen pregnancy with their story! They are heroes! I would love to see them on Dr. Phil like Farrah did. I think they would never go though. They don't want to hear the truth. So we have to watch this bullsh*t every year and wait for the show to end then maybe they will have to deal with real life!

[AdorkableWitch]

Here is my theory on Jo.

 

He is probably working part time and under the table. No one has ever said "Joe doesn't have a job," just that he isn't working a 9-5 job. One thing that hasn't been said that I think might also play into this is if he got a full time 9-5 job, he wouldn't be able to take off after Vee gave birth. That being said, Vee may be having problems finding a job since she is visibly pregnant. While no one will say it, many places are hesitant to hire someone who is pregnant. Plus, they have MTV money coming in. It might not be as much as Karl, but it's probably more than I make in a year right now as a college student. They also have a guarantee for next year since TM2 got renewed. Quite frankly, if I was being paid by MTV, had a baby on the way and a young son, I'd not work either. 

 

That being said, I still think the child support story was all for ratings since otherwise, Kail's story was very, very boring. No one cares about her vacations and buying a house. The fact they did not go to court, and that no one seemed that emotionally invested in it on the reunion leads me to believe it was all for the show. Otherwise, we'd all be here debating Karl's poor life choices instead of Jo.