S07.E19: New Beginnings, My Ass

[LIGirl]

Oh, how I wished Carole would have had the mental wherewithal at the moment LuAnn made the dig about not having children to say to her, "No, I don't have children because my beloved husband got sick with cancer and DIED before we had a chance to have any, you vile piece of shit!" But I wouldn't have been surprised if she was so taken aback by that disgusting dig to even think of the right thing to say back to her.

 

I've never been a fan of LuAnn (or the Countess) and never will be.  She IS a vile, hypocritical piece of shit who doesn't think her own shit stinks and I've been wishing for her to be off of this show since at least season 2.

[HunterHunted]

The production crew must hate Sonja. They don't always show exculpatory footage like that especially for someone like Kristen who has been a non-entity all season, but clearly they love to make Sonja look like the ever loving fool that she is.

LuAnn revealed herself to be a nasty malicious vile self-centered piece of shit. Her girl code nonsense is just that...nonsense. Adam and her niece were broken up and that's on Adam if they weren't. Neither Carole nor Heather are responsible for protecting the de Lesseps children from the fact that their mother is a ho (nothing wrong with it, but fucking own it). Finally, that was an epic asshole move to laugh at the fact that Carole is childless. I'm sorry that Carole married a man who had an illness that left him sterile. I guess it was stupid that Carole stayed with during his illness rather than abandon him.

[motorcitymom65]

I thought this was the most boring Season Finale ever.

[LotusFlower]

I didn't catch the jab Luann made at Carole until I just rewatched it on WWHL. Yikes and DAMN, that was low.

 

Whether Carole is childfree by choice or not, that was uncalled for.  And a little evil.  That, right there, is a moment I can't explain away, forget or forgive.

That was awful. LuAnn is maybe the biggest hypocrite on the face of the earth. And she sleeps around with young guys while filming on vacation, and yet it's Carole's fault if that's exposed? WTF?! Her son might see, and that's Carole's responsibility? That's unreal.

Also unreal - Sonja lambasting her own toaster ovens, and also shifting the blame of that fiasco onto someone else - in this case, Kristen. The failed toaster oven debacle is part of Sonja's public story - she needs to own it, and accept that people, including the press, are still talking about it. It's not Kristen's fault that the reporter was more interested in toaster ovens than fashion, and frankly, her answer was pretty innocuous, and even kind of positive. Sonja seemed so embarrassed by the mention, which is a new thing. Again, that's on her.

[rehoboth]

The episode was a little slow but the little zingers woke me right up.

 

Loved:

 - Bethenny saying that she didn't know what dialect Dorinda was using.  (I didn't understand a word Dorinda said at the party.)

 - Ramona admitting that she sometimes acts like she is six years old and Bethenny commenting that she was giving herself two years.

 - the 'drive-by' therapy session

 

Good times!

[crgirl412]

LuAnn is REALLY awful!  I was never her biggest fan but now I am not only not a fan, I don't like her all.  Done with her. 

[judylo]

Watching this a bit late and without enough attention ... But Carole says "Adam and I"--ugh. I haven't read "What Remains" yet (hoping to find it as an ebook at my library in Brooklyn) but am increasingly wondering if she really did write that book. Her tweets are juvenile and illiterate. She was a TV producer ... not perhaps a writer. Plus, I really, really hate her cutesy persona. That is not what is really hip in NYC. She is an irritating, pretentious wannabe.

[Rahul]

This episode should have been titled "Places we are required by contract to go, and the people we are supposed to annoy when there".

And this series can be retitled Girls a Behaving Badly. Actually, that may have been a hidden cam prank show starring Chelsea Handler back in the day.

[ottergirl]

So Heather gets the worst epilogue quote ever, that doesn't even have anything to do with her own life, and Beth gets a "the best is yet to come" - i.e. "I'll be back to torture you next season." Let alone B gets the WWHL spot tonight. Greeeaaat ...

 

Not to mention that the final quote on Bethenny SPECIFICALLY called out Bethenny's "new bestie Carole" who she recently went to the Galapagos with.

 

Good God, Andy.  It's not enough to ostracize Heather on the show, you have to make sure we all know that CAROLE PREFERS BETHENNY TOO? 

 

Of course, no  mention of Heather's business success or all her charity work.  She's not even in the finale, except to showcase her as the butt of Bethenny's joke.  (Which she took quite well, for the record.)

 

I wonder if this was my last episode of RHONY ever?  

 

ETA:  I'm so pathetic that I actually (for the first time ever) tweeted to a housewife, asking Heather and Carole if they were still cool.  Heather responded "definitely."  How silly am I for being reassured by that?  Off to get a life!!

Edited August 12, 2015 by ottergirl

[LIGirl]

Since the reunion was taped a few weeks ago, does anyone know if the ladies are given copies of the rest of the episodes that hadn't yet aired prior to the reunion taping?  I really hope so because I so want to see Carole call out LuAnn on her cackling childless dig (not that Carole necessarily needed a tape to remember that, but obviously no viewer would have seen it yet to send in a question or a comment to Andy/Bravo about it), and for Kristen to make Sonja grovel for forgiveness over the fact that not only did the reporter asked her about the toaster oven, but she even said something that was rather positive about it!

 

I've been thinking all along how much of a bad sign it's been that the show has shown so little of Kristen and Heather's personal lives, but man, it really can't be a good sign that Heather's ending blurb/summary had pretty much nothing to do with her actual life.  Not even anything about whether or not her son had the surgery yet?  Damn.  At least Kristen's had info about her nail polish line and how well it has been doing.

[ryebread]

She is an irritating, pretentious wannabe.

 

And again, with the open mouth chewing.  It would be hard to sit across a dinner table from her.  Dorinda, too.  I think with Carole, it's a mostly a mechanical issue (her severe overbite).  With Dorinda it's that she can't stop talking long enough to chew and swallow.

 

I understood and enjoyed Bethenny's reasoning on why she can't stay mad at Ramona - being so past the point of tired, hungry, crazy.... But it really is hypocritical. 

 

I'd have no problem staying mad at Ramona.

[LotusFlower]

I've been saying it all along, and LuAnn's epilogue proves it - the show decided to revolve the entire season around stupid "girl code," so they deliberately played up the Chef Adam/Carole issue even though LuAnn was originally ok with it, they played up LuAnn's part in NudeDudeGate, even though it was really about Ramona (they left those scenes on the cutting room floor), and they did everything they could to play up the song "Girl Code" and make it a hit. I'm so glad it bombed.

[WireWrap]

A lot of us have wondered all season why LuAnn got so nasty about Carole and to a lesser extent Heather on twitter, WWHL and in the press and I think we just saw/heard why. IMO, LuAnn, with Dorinda's help, went after Carole and Heather like they did because of what LuAnn said to/then laughing about her, Carole, not having any children. IMO, It was a preemptive strike to turn fans away from Carole/Heather before we saw/heard LuAnn's nasty comment/laugh! LuAnn is such a pig and Dorinda keeps her nose up LuAnn's butt so much it is turning into a snout now as well!

[Neurochick]

Hey SonJa,what ever happened to your toaster oven? I wonder if that's part of her "brand."

[Wouldofshouldof]

I wonder if this was my last episode of RHONY ever?

If you're anything like me, Ottergirl, probably not. I've bowed out of and returned to RHONY, RHOOC, and RHOBH. They all have such active revolving doors that any time I can't stand it another minute, the cast changes and I'm back in.

[Vanderboom]

I'd have no problem staying mad at Ramona.

Thank you! I've been saying this all season. I never understood why it was so easy for Ramona to love-bomb her way into everyone's good graces after exhibiting jerkass behavior. Edited August 12, 2015 by Vanderboom

[WireWrap]

Watching this a bit late and without enough attention ... But Carole says "Adam and I"--ugh. I haven't read "What Remains" yet (hoping to find it as an ebook at my library in Brooklyn) but am increasingly wondering if she really did write that book. Her tweets are juvenile and illiterate. She was a TV producer ... not perhaps a writer. Plus, I really, really hate her cutesy persona. That is not what is really hip in NYC. She is an irritating, pretentious wannabe.

She talked about this last season and said that is why she needs an editor for her books.

 

 

Since the reunion was taped a few weeks ago, does anyone know if the ladies are given copies of the rest of the episodes that hadn't yet aired prior to the reunion taping?  I really hope so because I so want to see Carole call out LuAnn on her cackling childless dig (not that Carole necessarily needed a tape to remember that, but obviously no viewer would have seen it yet to send in a question or a comment to Andy/Bravo about it), and for Kristen to make Sonja grovel for forgiveness over the fact that not only did the reporter asked her about the toaster oven, but she even said something that was rather positive about it!

 

I've been thinking all along how much of a bad sign it's been that the show has shown so little of Kristen and Heather's personal lives, but man, it really can't be a good sign that Heather's ending blurb/summary had pretty much nothing to do with her actual life.  Not even anything about whether or not her son had the surgery yet?  Damn.  At least Kristen's had info about her nail polish line and how well it has been doing.

Yes, they are given all remaining episodes before they film the reunion.

 

I think it was/is insulting what they used for Heather's summary and I am sure they knew after or even right before the reunion filmed that Heather wanted out of the show. IMO, that summary, or lack of, was an intentional slap in her face.

[car54]

I feel like Kristin didn't have that much screen time so she and Josh sat at home and wrote her some one-liners she could throw in during the group fights.

[LotusFlower]

I feel like Kristin didn't have that much screen time so she and Josh sat at home and wrote her some one-liners she could throw in during the group fights.

And in doing so, he neglected to polish his own one-liner. Did you catch that remark he made to Adam (about Kristen) when he asked for an invite to their next dinner party, saying he'd clean his plate b/c he has such a huge appetite? Kristen laughed and said it's ironic that he married someone who has probably only cooked about five meals in their twelve years together, and Prince Josh said: "yea, five shitty meals." Back to douchebag territory, Josh.

[atir]

This is probably pretty mean of me, but I hope folks tweet Luann about how rotten she was to Carole.

[LilaFowler]

That was a rather pathetic finale.  Bethenny is a lot like Aviva, neither one of them can let an argument go.  She made the decision to go to Ramona's party, found her in the crowd, and the argument started and didn't stop for what seemed like hours.  Farbissinah punim indeed.  Just stay home next time.  Christ.  The look on that man's face when Bethenny was doing her little freak out to him at the end of the show was just hilarious.

 

Team Kristen.  Sonja's an idiot.  

 

I don't care about the Luann/Carole/Adam thing at all, not even a little bit.  I don't personally think he's worth all the fuss but whatever.  If they want to go 10 rounds over him, fine.  It's boring though.  I still think that it's producer-driven, or at least it all started out that way.

 

If this show loses me as a viewer, it's because it's fucking boring and tired.  I think they need all new people. 

Edited August 12, 2015 by LilaFowler

[Neurochick]

I guess Kristen can't cook. I'm sure Josh knew that before he married her, so he should be quiet.

[ScoobieDoobs]

OK Lu, so help me to understand your mindset here, hun.  Carole dating Adam makes you ill, but you chasing after that pirate, who was the same age as Adam, is just A-OK?  Oh, and bringing married guys back to your room when you're on vacay is also fine & dandy too, right?  That does NOT make you ill, right Lu?  Just checking, Lu -- cuz I really wanna get this right.  OK then.  Volumes spoken about who you are, Lu.

 

Idk if I'm alone here, but I just don't get the physical appeal of Adam.  I never see him as anything but scruffy, scraggly, unkempt & possibly unclean.  And that topknot thingie?  Ew.  Look, he seems pleasant enough, if enormously dull & unopinionated.  I know, I know, it's personal preference.  Seems like every thread on each ep, there are a bunch of comments from those who say he's sexy.  Shrugging hard cuz I'm just not seeing it.

 

What the hell was Heather's comment to Bethenny on choosing to act like bitch about?  Guess I have to watch again cuz I didn't understand her point at all.  Bethenny looked baffled.  I was too.

Edited August 12, 2015 by ScoobieDoobs

[BloggerAloud]

 

 She made the decision to go to Ramona's party, found her in the crowd, and the argument started and didn't stop for what seemed like hours.

 

Well Bethenny had no choice when it came to the going to Ramona's party because it's the season finale party, right? And Ramona is the one who approached her as soon as she got off the elevator to have the discussion about the fashion show. And I say this as somebody who doesn't enjoy Bethenny.

[ivygirl]

I guess Kristen can't cook. I'm sure Josh knew that before he married her, so he should be quiet.

No wonder she loves a good toaster oven. All the better to heat up a Hot Pocket now and then.

Edited August 12, 2015 by ivygirl

[judylo]

Scoobie, I do not see the appeal of Adam at all. And I like to think that I appreciate male good looks!

[AnnaMayWong]

Waittttttt. Sonja--the same woman who can't help talking about how she used to model (and run in circles with all the aristocracy of the world)--called Kristen a model past her prime? And then she added some shade when talking to Dorinda when Carole showed up with Adam.

Sonja said that she didn't want to sit next to Adam because he's so hot. Then she went on to tell Dorinda that she'd sit next to John. Oof!

There were so many other oof-like moments like:

- Ramona looking right out of her mind when she ambushed Bethenny out the elevator, and, in trying to agree (?), had her hand up in that high-five position while frantically blinking and nodding. I couldn't figure out what was going on with her.

- Sonja looking dumb because she told the world about toaster oven that was never going to make it to market. Also, her reading comprehension skills (when she was finally forced to look at words on a screen) are non-existent.

- LuAnn being her usual hypocritical self. That she would hold another woman to her own standards is just abject stupidity. No, Carole, YOU shouldn't date a younger guy because EYE wouldn't since EYE have children that EYE would never introduce my younger man to. But I shouldn't be surprised in the slightest. LuAnn expects to make the rules that everyone else should follow. (Oh, and you don't have children, Carole. Hahahahaha! LuAnn? Is an asshole.)

- Dorinda proving once again how fucking ridiculous she was in Turks and Caicos going on about the word "fuck."

Oh, this is so tasty and delicious!!

Edited August 12, 2015 by BookElitist

[izabella]

I've been getting pretty tired of Ramona, Luann, and Sonja this season, and this episode just underscored that for me.  Ramona has nothing "new" for us, and I can't stand the person that she chooses to be.  Luann is and has always been a snake, and it's become more transparent and uninteresting.  Sonja is still a mess and I can't with her interns and her frauds.  I don't care to see any of them on my screen again. 

[WireWrap]

OK Lu, so help me to understand your mindset here, hun.  Carole dating Adam makes you ill, but you chasing after that pirate, who was the same age as Adam, is just A-OK?  Oh, and bringing married guys back to your room when you're on vacay is also fine & dandy too, right?  That does NOT make you ill, right Lu?  Just checking, Lu -- cuz I really wanna get this right.  OK then.  Volumes spoken about who you are, Lu.

 

Idk if I'm alone here, but I just don't get the physical appeal of Adam.  I never see him as anything but scruffy, scraggly, unkempt & possibly unclean.  And that topknot thingie?  Ew.  Look, he seems pleasant enough, if enormously dull & unopinionated.  I know, I know, it's personal preference.  Seems like every thread on each ep, there are a bunch of comments from those who say he's sexy.  Shrugging hard cuz I'm just not seeing it.

 

What the hell was Heather's comment to Bethenny on choosing to act like bitch about?  Guess I have to watch again cuz I didn't understand her point at all.  Bethenny looked baffled.  I was too.

I think Heather was drunk and trying to joke around with Bethenny.

 

Adam is ok looking but nothing great IMO.

 

LuAnn has 1 set of rules for everyone else and a different set for herself!

[ryebread]

What the hell was Heather's comment to Bethenny on choosing to act like bitch about?  Guess I have to watch again cuz I didn't understand her point at all.  Bethenny looked baffled.  I was too.

 

I think that was Heather's last ditch, Hail Mary attempt to start something. Before the cameras stopped rolling for the season. I almost wished she would have succeeded.  Anything would have been better than Beth's verbal assault on that unsuspecting, innocent man who was absolutely clueless about what she and Heather were going on about.  I felt like I needed a Xanax after watching that mess.

[breezy424]

I've posted a lot of likes here so I won't rehash. 

 

Wow.  John is trying to talk to you about your relationship and the next step but you're more interested in eating.  Very revealing.  And can anyone translate what she was saying in that one scene at the party????

 

I don't know what Beth is with Ro.  She's mad.  She's not mad.  What's the point here?

 

Team Kris with Sonja.

 

Team Carole with Lu. 

 

Ro - you've run out of passes.  I just can't stand you. 

 

Josh - dump the hat.

 

WWHL - I guess Beth is already trying to grow her new haircut out - too bad.  It looked great - not liking what you were trying to do to hide it tonight.

Edited August 12, 2015 by breezy424

[Thumper]

I think that was Heather's last ditch, Hail Mary attempt to start something. Before the cameras stopped rolling for the season. I almost wished she would have succeeded. Anything would have been better than Beth's verbal assault on that unsuspecting, innocent man who was absolutely clueless about what she and Heather were going on about. I felt like I needed a Xanax after watching that mess.

This. I could not figure out WHAT Beth was doing, picking on that poor guy because she was mad at Ramona? Heather? I can't remember. Awful.

Edited August 12, 2015 by Thumper

[Neurochick]

I think Luann is jealous of Carole. If Luann wanted to have a relationship with a younger man, she'd keep it on the down low because she'd be afraid to embarrass her children. Carole doesn't have to do that she can have a relationship with whomever she pleases, and Luann resents that.

[LotusFlower]

I don't know if Heather was drunk when she talked to Bethenny and Ramona about not being a bitch, but I thought it was kind of weird, and I understand the two of them wondering where it was coming from, and the "drive-by therapy" jab was funny. It's weird to just approach someone and tell them they're this or that, or should be this way or that way. But here's the thing -- Bethenny did the exact same thing to Ramona when she walked into the party! I know she framed the whole thing as clearing the air from the other night and scolding Ramona for calling her a cheater, but then she went on and on about how the "new beginnings" party was inappropriately named. She's right, of course, cuz Ramona's always full of shit, but she didn't ask Bethenny for her opinion. Yet Bethenny felt free to give it, and really go hard on it, over and over again. It was weird and inappropriate, just like Heather's remark. They really are a lot alike.

[jojomano]

Adam's a doll. I'll bet his personality has a lot to do with his appeal. He seems sweet and low key. I love the scruffy hipster look..sigh, oh to be young again...lol

[atir]

I think Heather's "you can choose to be a bitch" comment was the generic "you" not "you, Bethenny."

[Mondrianyone]

And again, with the open mouth chewing.  It would be hard to sit across a dinner table from her.  Dorinda, too. 

 

And how is she ever going to start bringing John to the south of France when he can't tell a piece of burrata from a boiled egg?  What a boorish yahoo he is.  All as a steady stream of pasta sauce goes drooling out her mouth.  

 

At least she's lucky her barbarian of a boyfriend is a dry cleaner.

[ryebread]

Idk if I'm alone here, but I just don't get the physical appeal of Adam.  I never see him as anything but scruffy, scraggly, unkempt & possibly unclean.  And that topknot thingie?  Ew.

 

I'll cop to thinking he was sexy at first.  But the publicity and his social media killed it for me.  He seems a little dull. Or dim. Or stoned.  Maybe all three?

 

I also didn't like that he didn't stand when Doris fell all over the place to meet the 'famous Adam'.  I like men to stand to greet someone, especially the first time.  She was stretching and reaching and bending at the waist to shake his hand and he sat there like a pre-teen boy at his first grown up cocktail party. I say pre-teen because even at 13, my son knew to stand up to shake someone's hand when addressed. 

[ScoobieDoobs]

I just love how she does Bethenny.  Oh I bet that voice has gotta be just as grating in real life.  Brrrr.

 

[BloggerAloud]

Those epilogue title cards for the season have always been shady. I don't think Heather's was particularly mean, given one year Porsha from Housewives only got that she and her husband were getting divorced. That was it for her card.

[HunterHunted]

I don't know if Heather was drunk when she talked to Bethenny and Ramona about not being a bitch, but I thought it was kind of weird, and I understand the two of them wondering where it was coming from, and the "drive-by therapy" jab was funny. It's weird to just approach someone and tell them they're this or that, or should be this way or that way. But here's the thing -- Bethenny did the exact same thing to Ramona when she walked into the party! I know she framed the whole thing as clearing the air from the other night and scolding Ramona for calling her a cheater, but then she went on and on about how the "new beginnings" party was inappropriately named. She's right, of course, cuz Ramona's always full of shit, but she didn't ask Bethenny for her opinion. Yet Bethenny felt free to give it, and really go hard on it, over and over again. It was weird and inappropriate, just like Heather's remark. They really are a lot alike.

I think Heather was drunk and in fix-it mode. Wasn't there some earlier comment about Ramona and Bethenny being back at it again? It seemed like the party had been bickering, walking away, and reengaging with multiple pairs of women. I think Heather decided to drunkenly ramble over there and bossily tell them to stop fighting, but joke's on her. They weren't.

[AnnA]

I actually enjoyed tonight's episode and I'm a little sad that the season is over but looking forward to the reunion. I have to go to work in the morning but I may stay up long enough to try and get a screencap of Dorinda speaking Swahil. She must have been really hammered again. Damn! That woman just can't keep food in her mouth.

The MVP of insanity tonight had to be Sonja. I wonder if her vet prescribed some new meds for her.

How many adjectives can Sonja use to describe her fashion line?



ETA: Damn! There's a typo in my caption. I'm in bed in my iPad so I'll have to fix it tomorrow.

 

ETA AGAIN:  I fixed it!

Edited August 12, 2015 by AnnA

[HunterHunted]

This is probably pretty mean of me, but I hope folks tweet Luann about how rotten she was to Carole.

If it's mean of you, then I'm epically fucking evil because I need Twitter to light her shady ass up.

Edited August 12, 2015 by HunterHunted

[ScoobieDoobs]

Again, Joshie-poo was inside a fancy-looking joint wearing that dumb hat?  Me thinks Josh the dickhead was lamely trying to hide his plugs.

Edited August 12, 2015 by ScoobieDoobs

[RedheadZombie]

Fuck you Luann, fuck you. To mock Carole for being childless - unless you know with absolute certainty she never planned on having any - is just about the most vile thing I've seen on this show. I took this fake ass bitch's side over Carole's in the Adam battle, and now I regret every post I wrote about it.

So Luann, why don't you take the stick out of your ass, and shove your white trash version of a countess, your badly accented French and Italian, your endless supply of ONSs, your stupid etiquette book, your ugly necklaces, your "songs" which are so bad we are laughing at you, and your girl code, up your ass.

[Eliz]

God, an entire episode taking place at a party where they all have to yell at each other over the party noise is torture to watch.

That "you don't have kids" crack by LuAnn is maybe the cruelest thing I can remember one Housewife saying to another. Just for the fact that she so obviously considered it an insult. I mean, she was basically just repeating what Carole had just said, but saying it in a way that made it clear she thinks it's a deep cut. Before the last few episodes, I wouldn't have thought that would possibly even hurt Carole's feelings, but with all the thinking she's been doing about her husband recently, I think we've seen that she was thinking about what might have been. Worst possible time for someone to make that dig.

[LotusFlower]

I think Heather was drunk and in fix-it mode. Wasn't there some earlier comment about Ramona and Bethenny being back at it again? It seemed like the party had been bickering, walking away, and reengaging with multiple pairs of women. I think Heather decided to drunkenly ramble over there and bossily tell them to stop fighting, but joke's on her. They weren't.

Yea, I see what you mean. More than anything, I think all the ladies knew it was a season finale party, so they were there to resolve things or get into it, certainly not to celebrate Ramona's "new" anything. Bethenny went to a party she was openly mocking b/c she "can't stay mad at Ramona?" No, because she was contractually obligated.

[ScoobieDoobs]

Wait, it said Lu's "date" was Thomas Roberts.  Was this the sorta-journalist Thomas Roberts?  Er, huh?  I heard he was supposedly a fame-ho, but sheesh.  WTF?

[BloggerAloud]

Yeah, Luann's date was journalist Thomas Roberts. I was confused at first until I googled him and saw that he and Luann are apparently friends.

[sheetmoss]

Was Luann's date a journalist? He's familiar.

Thomas Roberts is an MSNBC mid-day show anchor,

     He does or did appear on MSNBC's Morning Joe too.

 

Wait, it said Lu's "date" was Thomas Roberts.  Was this the sorta-journalist Thomas Roberts?  Er, huh?  I heard he was supposedly a fame-ho, but sheesh.  WTF?

He'd be known as a 'walker' in LuAnn's world.

 

 

From the way LuAnn was acting IMO, she comes off as more jealous she didn't get Adam.

 

Didn't the reunion teaser clip shown on WWHL show during the Carole & LuAnn confrontation about Adam  Lu saying... "and you don'r sleep with the help"?

Edited August 12, 2015 by sheetmoss