S07.E11: Fashionably Fired Up

[MatildaMoody]

Child organ donation recipients face needing a second or third transplant, or more, over the course of their lives. The medication they take to stave off rejecting that organ suppresses their immune system and leaves them open to any communicable illness/disease and even a common cold can kill them. Jax has more health problems outside of his hearing and being an organ donation recipient, he has major allergies (food, hence Heathers knowledge about that issue at the Berkshires dinner) and that is why Jax's nanny leaving them was so stressful for Heather because she was trained to care for Jax's problems. With all that, Heather has never, ever, used her fears about Jax as an excuse/reason for her bad behavior.

Now I feel like an asshole for disliking Heather so much her first season. I feel like an even bigger asshole for only starting to like her when I saw her need to want to fix just one thing for him (his hearing).

I think I am just going to watch the show and skip the threads from now on. With this kind of heavy shit going on, I will always feel like an asshole for snarking on any of these women. They all have too much personal shit going on to make the show easy to make fun of for me.

[WireWrap]

Isn't that what she is doing? Taking Bryn to the Berkshires and going out after she goes to bed. Leaving T&C a day early. Cutting back, trying to make it work.

Yes, she is. And no one was trying to force to do any different but she was snide/rude about Heather's comment in her TH and towards Kristen in her blog as if they did/said something horrid to her. Which, IMO, they did not.

[LotusFlower]

Isn't that what she is doing? Taking Bryn to the Berkshires and going out after she goes to bed. Leaving T&C a day early. Cutting back, trying to make it work.

Yes, but apparently not successfully, as she's crying and miserable. As others have noted, in addition to the T&C trip, she also mentioned another nine-day trip that month, so her commitments to the show are only part of what takes her away from Bryn. She travels a lot for Skinnygirl, her book tours, paid appearances, and then, of course, there's the He-who-can-not-be-named boyfriend...

[breezy424]

Lotusflower I needed to get out my slide rule for this one!

 

I was wondering why the ladies can't choose to think of it as something that benefits Bryn, forget about Bethenny, just think about it as being for a little girl who wants to see her mom. That helps to make the annoyance fall away. To me it does anyway.

 

I did express my sincere astonishment about why anyone would have a hard time accommodating (or even understanding) a need for mom and baby girl to be together. I'd go out of my way to help make it happen and I get why she falls to pieces because I probably would, too. 

 

Hope that makes sense.

 

From Heather's blog:

While I may have failed miserably, I’ve only ever tried to support Bethenny with her struggles/challenges. I think we all want to. And that’s why we planned this trip to Turks and Caicos during the week. Something you didn’t get to see during dinner at the Red Lion Inn in the Berkshires was all of us talking about rallying around Bethenny after some of these struggles came to light, and I led the charge on that.

 

I think they all worked hard to coordinate the trip to accommodate Beth - and that includes the producers.  So after, going through this Ro stirs the pot about Beth having a problem with the dates.  IMO, the other women had every right to be a bit annoyed.  And it all goes back to Ro.

 

The funny part about all this is that a house is being rented by the production company for this trip.  Does anyone really believe that you can just change the dates for a house rental in Turks a few weeks in advanced during the 'season'?  This was planned far in advanced - crew, producers, accommodations for them, set ups and agreements to film events......

[zoeysmom]

I assume Bethenny sees this as her career, and I am a feminist, so naturally, I support her ability to choose to work, build an empire or stay home.

 

As well all know, there are pluses and minuses to all of these choices. (but prolly beyond the scope of this discussion)

 

And thank you for the applause! :)

I

 

 

Yes, you are right. I thought Beth got the first show and didn't remember her after that. Thanks for the correction!

Your welcome.  I thought it a bit of a slap to Kristen to have her as the third place.  I don't find Kristen any better or worse than Ramona as a guest.  It gets too screw when they have three guests.  

[WireWrap]

Now I feel like an asshole for disliking Heather so much her first season. I feel like an even bigger asshole for only starting to like her when I saw her need to want to fix just one thing for him (his hearing).

I think I am just going to watch the show and skip the threads from now on. With this kind of heavy shit going on, I will always feel like an asshole for snarking on any of these women. They all have too much personal shit going on to make the show easy to make fun of for me.

Oh, NO, Please don't stop posting! When Heather does something wrong, it is on her, same with Bethenny or ay o the other HWs. They all chose to be on the show and they all know what to expect by now from us, the viewers..........Snark, ridicule, debates, laughter!

[The Evil One]

Look Bethenny even said she was name dropping. So let's not down play who's more famous because in the end if you know who Paris Hilton is odds are you will know who Nicky is and so on if you follow their families closely. They are still well known even if they are not MJ or P Diddy. Just my opinion though.

I may be way off base here, but I took it as "look how old I am" (other than the Kyle reference). Basically Bethenny hasn't been a HW since back in the day when Paris and Nicki were...relevant. And they're not anymore, other than when TMZ is super bored or their boyfriends are relevant somehow.

[LotusFlower]

  I thought it a bit of a slap to Kristen to have her as the third place.  I don't find Kristen any better or worse than Ramona as a guest.  It gets too screw when they have three guests.

Since we were talking about WWHL and Andy's favoritism earlier, I thought this was another example of sort of marginalizing and diminishing Heather and Kristen. Bethenny gets not one but three solo appearances, Kristen gets one third (!), and I think this was Heather's second appearance this season, both times with another guest.

[WireWrap]

A Housewife being snide towards another housewife over something insignificant? Say it ain't so!!

So she travels for work and pleasure. She's a monster!

What I found ridiculous was her comment about Kristen in her blog after seeing/hearing what Ramona said before she got there and still being upset at Kristen's question!

[zoeysmom]

Yes, but apparently not successfully, as she's crying and miserable. As others have noted, in addition to the T&C trip, she also mentioned another nine-day trip that month, so her commitments to the show are only part of what takes her away from Bryn. She travels a lot for Skinnygirl, her book tours, paid appearances, and then, of course, there's the He-who-can-not-be-named boyfriend...

I don't understand any of this.  Certainly Jason has to work while he has his 50% any reason the nanny can't fly and meet Bethenny with Bryn?  The kid isn't even in Kindergarten.  I think there are choices being made that are not always selfless. I doubt Bryn would have minded a couple of days in the sun.

[msblossom]

I feel like I'm on a Merry-Go-Round with the topic of working mothers and Bethenny and blah blah -- ugh. Moving on...

What a fun scene at Park Side. I can see my girlfriends and I playing the "How many looks did I get?" game. LOL, when B got one look and you can hear her complain, "That's bullshit." What an unexpected old school Italian restaurant, I wanted to see more of the dishes. That bread stuffed with meat would be a total hit for my husband.

[WireWrap]

I don't understand any of this.  Certainly Jason has to work while he has his 50% any reason the nanny can't fly and meet Bethenny with Bryn?  The kid isn't even in Kindergarten.  I think there are choices being made that are not always selfless. I doubt Bryn would have minded a couple of days in the sun.

I think Bethenny said she need to come back for some recital that Bryn is in, maybe Bryn takes dance or music lesson. I think Bryn must be with Jason the week they go to T&C.

I feel like I'm on a Merry-Go-Round with the topic of working mothers and Bethenny and blah blah -- ugh. Moving on...

What a fun scene at Park Side. I can see my girlfriends and I playing the "How many looks did I get?" game. LOL, when B got one look and you can hear her complain, "That's bullshit." What an unexpected old school Italian restaurant, I wanted to see more of the dishes. That bread stuffed with meat would be a total hit for my husband.

I hated seeing all that food, I am on a strict diet! LOL

[msblossom]

I think B & Heather bond in T & C.

[WireWrap]

I think B & Heather bond in T & C.

Do they bond or come to an understanding? LOL Maybe they bond over Sonja's delusions!

[Mya Stone]

We've mod noted once, in much nicer words than I'm about to use...cut the crap. Hell hath no fury than an insomnia addled Mya.

Drop the Bethenny arguing. Stop putting words in other people's mouths. You all will NEVER agree on her. Agree to disagree, and stop the petty sniping back and forth.

[Celia Rubenstein]

I found this episode seriously boring. I looked at the clock thinking it had to be over soon, but there was still 25 minutes left. How can they make New York City so boring? Cupcakes and pedicures? Seriously?

If it were not for the brief appearance by Carson Kressley the entire hour would have been a total waste.

The whole Sonja discussion made me queasy. Nothing about it was at all entertaining. If I want to watch a housewife go careening off the rails abusing alcohol, I will tune in to Beverly Hills.

And I couldn't give less of a damn about Bethenny needing to leave the trip early. Why does anyone care? If she needs to go home early, so what? Let her. I would think they would be glad to not have to deal with her emotions. And it would mean more screen time for the rest of them. Jeez, I am so sick of every one of them talking about her and having problems with her. Don't they have anything else to worry about?

[bravofan27]

I don't think Heather's child's condition is life threatening, but I do think he is at risk for permanent hearing loss, or becoming deaf. At least that is what I understand.

[Mya Stone]

And I couldn't give less of a damn about Bethenny needing to leave the trip early. Why does anyone care? If she needs to go home early, so what? Let her. I would think they would be glad to not have to deal with her emotions. And it would mean more screen time for the rest of them. Jeez, I am so sick of every one of them talking about her and having problems with her. Don't they have anything else to worry about?

It might be due to my lack of sleep but the irony of this is making me cackle.

[msblossom]

What I can't figure out is why we didn't see the footage of the night that Sonja, Ramona, Lu, Dorinda & John all went out. Sonja must've been totally shit-faced, maybe TPTB are showing her mercy? Either that or they'll show it later.

[film noire]

 

But it didn't seem to put anyone at ease, it just further irritated.

 

Which (to me) is more proof Heather is not nurturing at all. Real nurturers give someone else what *they* need, what makes the other person feel better -- which still seems to be a foreign concept to Heather, who can only nurture by "hugging" someone -- or yapping repeatedly about wanting to hug someone. I so dislike control freaks who use "nurturing"  as an excuse for their unexamined bullshit.

Edited June 18, 2015 by film noire

[WireWrap]

What I can't figure out is why we didn't see the footage of the night that Sonja, Ramona, Lu, Dorinda & John all went out. Sonja must've been totally shit-faced, maybe TPTB are showing her mercy? Either that or they'll show it later.

I suspect that they are saving it for the lost/unseen footage episode after the reunion.

[WireWrap]

I don't think Heather's child's condition is life threatening, but I do think he is at risk for permanent hearing loss, or becoming deaf. At least that is what I understand.

Actually it is. The anti-rejection meds he takes alone, put him at great risk to infection and or death from anything/illness he gets/catches, even the common cold. He will need another transplant sometime down the road, the average longevity of a transplant is about 9 years, although children do better, I see him needing a new liver in his late teens/early twenties. He also has bad food allergies and I am sure a host of other problems on top of his hearing loss. That is why Heather was so emotional about trying to "fix" his hearing problem because it was the only thing she could "fix", the transplant is an ongoing, lifelong battle.

[AnnaMayWong]

I think I'd break all of the bones in my hand slapping Ramona's face. I wish I were kidding. She is intolerable. Rude, derisive, completely mean-spirited and classist as fuck. I really can't stand her, and I really don't feel sorry for her, and I'm really sure Mario will be welcomed back, and her bug-eyed ass will insist that he's really going to be faithful now, and that no one could compare, when in fact Ramona isn't likely to find another man. She is in great shape, well-off and has some drive, but she has a foul personality and she is incredibly vain and stupid. Sorry not sorry, there are many truly stunning women in their 50s and 60s in NYC who would be glad to date the kind of 'upscale' (<-- Ramona-type categorization alert!) man the Ramonster would deem suitable for her (no Armenian Albanian Greek Turkish drycleaners s'il vous plait and kadooz) who also you know, read, and use words correctly and know how to handle their drink without screeeeeeching. Whatever! I hope Mario continues plowing his way through Bravo's b-list and the assorted crazypants mistress pool of Manhattan. Eff her. Eff her effing vile self!

I don't care about Bethenny's custody situation and divorce, not even a little bit. SHUT THE FUCK UP BETHENNY. She got married. She CLEARLY expected to get precisely what she wanted out of the marriage and divorce, she isn't, and that is why she's boo-hooing all over town. She makes misery everywhere. Fewer pedicures, more therapy sessions, please***. (Still looking forward to foreign vacation porn and fights galore next week, though...)

*** OFFSCREEN. Be gone, ye shrieking shill. Sell your watered-down swill on another show. I happened to love the St. Barts Pirate season best of all the RHONYs. Bethenny was NEVER missed by me. She consistently brings self-pity, dated puns and viciousness to the table. Not interested, personally.

Now, THIS is what I'm talkin' about!

[AnnaMayWong]

Bethenny and I are both Scorpios with similar personalities, possibly because our birthdays are only one day apart (yes, I'm a firm believer in astrology though I think daily horoscopes are BS). As such I think Bethenny is not playing the role of mean girl but rather being discerning with whose company she keeps. She did give every one of these girls a chance upon first meeting them in the Hamptons but some ostensibly rubbed her the wrong way. Moreover, she probably has a very keen sense of intuition and read Heather and Kristen's energy as disingenuous and superficial, respectively.

I'll even go one step further and say Bethenny is some what of a misanthrope. Like me, Bethenny appears to prefer solitude over forced friendships with people she doesn't care for.

Then for Zeus' sake, WHY is she ON a "REALITY" show?!

[Rahul]

Then for Zeus' sake, WHY is she ON a "REALITY" show?!

You conveniently snipped the next part of my post where I gave my reasoning for Bethenny's return. Since that part wasn't quoted I will reiterate; B is back to rehab her image, not to make friends with the other bitches. That said, I don't think she took into account just how drained this nasty, public divorce has left her and how that might translate to unhinged behavior.

[AnnaMayWong]

Actually, I just pressed the quote button and this is what appeared. Unless provoked, I have absolutely no reason for intentionally slighting someone on this forum.

[Lucelu]

Yikes. I think the idea of rehabbing your image on a reality show is a big gamble. Usually philanthropy is a more guaranteed avenue for that, just ask Andrew Carnegie (a robber baron who chewed up lives in his meat grinder mines and slums only to have people remember him as the man who donated and funded libraries, hospitals, schools and theaters..).

 

Ultimately, I feel a little annoyed with the show for being so Bethenny-centric and hope the trip is entertaining. If she is on for another season after this I'm not sure I will want to watch it. The constant scenes that are monopolized by her -- ironically on someone who doesn't want attention, have gotten boring. I want to know more about the other girls' lives and activities. I might pick up a different show for my tv potato chip. I did start the BH franchise for the first time this past season and the OC -- which I stopped after it's first season but then picked up last year mid-season. But NY is my state and I watched that first season when we met them, checked out for 2 seasons and picked it back up-- I never saw Scary Island. I've only seen some occasional Atlanta shows and Love Melbourne.

 

So Andy, work your magic and either send Bethenny to BH where she belongs. Put her in Kim's spot (if she can work out the custody...) or give her her own show that I can ignore like I did her other ones.

 

 

[motorcitymom65]

Actually it is. The anti-rejection meds he takes alone, put him at great risk to infection and or death from anything/illness he gets/catches, even the common cold. He will need another transplant sometime down the road, the average longevity of a transplant is about 9 years, although children do better, I see him needing a new liver in his late teens/early twenties. He also has bad food allergies and I am sure a host of other problems on top of his hearing loss. That is why Heather was so emotional about trying to "fix" his hearing problem because it was the only thing she could "fix", the transplant is an ongoing, lifelong battle.

I remember last year when Heather listed all of his health issues, and the list was very, very long. Yes, when she made that statement "if I could just fix ONE thing" about his hearing loss, it was incredibly powerful and emotional. She said on WWHL that after trying to not do the invasive procedure on him that they discussed last year, it turns out he is going to need it after all. I think that the reason that Heather broke the 4th wall about the editing stuff after the Red Lion scene was that she got hammered away at like crazy for the nanny comment. People were so mean to her on Twitter. She said on WWHL that they had hired this nanny before Jax was born, and that she had always been with the family. She said the nanny had left the weekend they were shooting that scene at Dorinda's, and she was very emotional about it, as was the entire family. Having a child that has a lot of medical issues requires someone to be around who is trained to deal with them, so I am sure that losing her was hard. 

Edited June 18, 2015 by motorcitymom65

[biakbiak]

I read this entire thread before watching the episode the only thing Kristen says to Bethanny before she runs off and "cries" (because it didn't appear that any moisture left her eyes) is "we just heard that the dates might need to be changed" in a completely neutral voice and looks like "okay why was this brought up when Bethanny says it's not an issue". They then all kept saying to Beth when she was getting not hysterics "no, no,no" in way that seemed to be supportive as in that's not how it was intended Kristen is even the one who.suggests to Lu that she go check on her and both Kristen and Heather acknowledge that either one of them going after her would be a bad idea. No one other than Romana gave a Damon about Bethanny' s schedule.

Also, Sonja' s "even Heather has lost weight" was bitchy as hell.

[Roxy]

I remember last year when Heather listed all of his health issues, and the list was very, very long. Yes, when she made that statement "if I could just fix ONE thing" about his hearing loss, it was incredibly powerful and emotional

 

That moment actually made me like Heather and I still do. That was real and her breakdown was heartbreaking. I really feel for her and her family,

 

As someone suggested above, you can't compare "problems" but some of them hit people harder than others. I can get Bethenny's issues but the constant need to make them her focus is the problem. Heather went through a hard time and I'm sure she still is with having a sick child. But it doesn't define her. 

 

I also agree that it's "interesting" that Bethenny has no interest in the two people that are married with small children. The ones she wants to be involved with? Divorced and/or single. Maybe that's who she has more in common with but also maybe it's that she's jealous. Kristin's husband seems like a prick but he's still there and she seems okay with that. Heather's husband is a doll. 

 

Methinks Skinnygirl realizes that she may be rich but she doesn't have what they do so they must be gone! She's that self absorbed. They have what she said she wanted and still doesn't get. And she'll throw a temper tantrum forever about it.

Edited June 18, 2015 by Roxy

[ottergirl]

That moment actually made me like Heather and I still do. That was real and her breakdown was heartbreaking. I really feel for her and her family,

 

As someone suggested above, you can't compare "problems" but some of them hit people harder than others. I can get Bethenny's issues but the constant need to make them her focus is the problem. Heather went through a hard time and I'm sure she still is with having a sick child. But it doesn't define her. 

 

I also agree that it's "interesting" that Bethenny has no interest in the two people that are married with small children. The ones she wants to be involved with? Divorced and/or single. Maybe that's who she more in common with but also maybe it's that she's jealous. Kristin's husband seems like a prick but he's still there and she seems okay with that. Heather's husband is a doll. 

 

Methinks Skinnygirl realizes that she may be rich but she doesn't have what they do so they must be gone! She's that self absorbed. They have what she said she wanted and still doesn't get. And she'll throw a temper tantrum forever about it.

 

Agree with all of this.  I sometimes wonder how conscious Bethenny even is of her own behavior.  She says on camera "I like who I like and I don't like who I don't like," but does she realize WHY she likes them or doesn't?  Dorinda is the definition of non-threatening in every way:  she is older, not a businesswoman, so there is no demographic or lifestyle competition; plus, Dorinda smartly played it VERY cool with Bethenny - she followed all the "rules" and let Bethenny come to her on her terms.  And Carole had the Andy imprimatur and is so stoned most of the time that she isn't a threat on any level.

 

I think Bethenny is a control freak.  I think her divorce has completely escalated those issues, because she has totally lost control:  of her custody, of her finances, of her public narrative.  And she is reacting by desperately trying to control everything else around her, including who talks to her and what they say.  She sees this whole show as her opportunity to regain control of her life, her persona, her identity, and she is desperately trying to make that happen.  She is trying to control her narrative on this show, she is trying to dictate what is discussed and when, etc. etc.  She's trying to control the narrative of the entire show, as I said in an earlier post.  And it's causing incredible tension both for her and for the people around her. 

 

The ones who are dealing with her best - Dorinda and Carole - are more mellow by nature, so less likely to trigger Bethenny's control issues.  Heather, who is very take-charge herself, has set off Bethenny like an alarm bell, not because Heather is bad, or even because Bethenny is evil, but because Bethenny's desperate, fear-driven agenda is at odds with Heather's natural way of being.  

 

I wonder if Bethenny has the power to see, not just what she's doing (I think she knows exactly what she's doing), but why she's doing it, and why it's not going to work.  For all her so-called therapy sessions, I think she has really low self awareness, and very little willingness to take ownership of her problems or to change.  It's why she is obsessed with talking about and revisiting her childhood: that was a time in her life when she was innocent and could be considered an innocent victim, so she wants to focus her attention there.  As opposed to taking ownership of her own agency right now and her own choices right now.  From the beginning she has liked to say, "I'm damaged," first because of her childhood, now because of her divorce, and she does want to be given a pass because of that. I'd be much more sympathetic to her if she were willing to truly own some of her own destructive and mean behaviors.  But then again, lack of self-awareness is very nearly a prerequisite to being a Housewife, so that's probably asking too much.

Edited June 18, 2015 by ottergirl

[Roxy]

Agree with all of this.  I sometimes wonder how conscious Bethenny even is of her own behavior.  She says on camera "I like who I like and I don't like who I don't like," but does she realize WHY she likes them or doesn't?  Dorinda is the definition of non-threatening in every way:  she is older, not a businesswoman, so there is no demographic or lifestyle competition; plus, Dorinda smartly played it VERY cool with Bethenny - she followed all the "rules" and let Bethenny come to her on her terms.  And Carole had the Andy imprimatur and is so stoned most of the time that she isn't a threat on any level.

 

I think Bethenny is a control freak.  I think her divorce has completely escalated those issues, because she has totally lost control:  of her custody, of her finances, of her public narrative.  And she is reacting by desperately trying to control everything else around her, including who talks to her and what they say.  She sees this whole show as her opportunity to regain control of her life, her persona, her identity, and she is desperately trying to make that happen.  She is trying to control her narrative on this show, she is trying to dictate what is discussed and when, etc. etc.  She's trying to control the narrative of the entire show, as I said in an earlier post.  And it's causing incredible tension both for her and for the people around her. 

 

The ones who are dealing with her best - Dorinda and Carole - are more mellow by nature, so less likely to trigger Bethenny's control issues.  Heather, who is very take-charge herself, has set off Bethenny like an alarm bell, not because Heather is bad, or even because Bethenny is evil, but because Bethenny's desperate, fear-driven agenda is at odds with Heather's natural way of being.  

 

I wonder if Bethenny has the power to see, not just what she's doing (I think she knows exactly what she's doing), but why she's doing it, and why it's not going to work.  For all her so-called therapy sessions, I think she has really low self awareness, and very little willingness to take ownership of her problems or to change.  It's why she is obsessed with talking about and revisiting her childhood: that was a time in her life when she was innocent and could be considered an innocent victim, so she wants to focus her attention there.  As opposed to taking ownership of her own agency right now and her own choices right now.  From the beginning she has liked to say, "I'm damaged," first because of her childhood, now because of her divorce, and she does want to be given a pass because of that. I'd be much more sympathetic to her if she were willing to truly own some of her own destructive and mean behaviors.  But then again, lack of self-awareness is very nearly a prerequisite to being a Housewife, so that's probably asking too much.

 

And now there's an article where she blames others- including Andy- for her marriage and divorce. She can't even own that. I think she may have been kidding to some extent but I think she deep down meant it. She's the perpetual victim. 

 

She's so tiresome. She'd be better off just being quiet.

[Crikey]

I wonder if Heather has always had such a strong need to fix or if it was heightened with her son's illness.

I think many humans like helping others but not to the extent of trying to fix others.

We can likely understand a person's behavior by what has happened/is happening in their lives.  

For example, Bethy is so _________ (fill in the blank) because of her childhood. 

Maybe Heather goes overboard in the fixing department because she deals with her son's illness on a daily basis and, to me, she seems like a take charge person , not being able to fix her son's illness must chew up her heart.

Doesn't give her a pass in trying to fix other folks, just me wondering about her behavior.

I do like how she doesn't seem to try getting a free pass for her behavior by blaming her behavior on her pain over her son's illness.

Edited June 18, 2015 by Crikey

[IKnowRight]

I said it too...very weird.

This makes it very clear to the viewer how editing is off. Corona not Sunnyside.

So, keep that in mind about everything we are shown once they air the episodes. Not to mention that Bravo has even edited episodes we have seen when they air as repeats. They are always messing with us!

The best part about Park Side is the prices for such fab food. Yum, glad they made the side trip.

Edited June 18, 2015 by IKnowRight

[SistaLadybug]

"Hey Bethenny, if you NEED your daughter so much, you should have stayed married. Oh I feel sorry for Brynn."

 

 

 

I'm sorry but that seems a bit much,

Beth divorced, 50% of America does that. I have my issues with Beth but staying married to some one you don't love or like is not one of them.

 Beth irks me. She is whining through my show, and I can not find my empathy because she is rich and does not need this show. And still is on it and complains about time.

 Saying that Beth (or anyone)should never stay in a marriage for her  child.

Thank God you said this.  I am a divorced woman and a working mom.  I resent the statement that any woman should have to stay in an unhappy marriage for the sake of her child. The best thing for a child IMO is to see her parents living productive, whole and fulfilled lives.  Putting your happiness on the back of your child is dangerous.  Giving up your own possible fulfillment in order to do "what is best for your child" leads to resentment on your part and a sense of responsibility on the child's that is wholly unfair.

 

We don't have to like any of these women and while I enjoy Bethenny on the show, I don't disagree with other folks' reasons for not liking her/her inclusion in the show, but I don't think there's any call for cruelty.  Things like (and I'm paraphrasing), "Well, that's what she gets for divorcing" and "Her kid doesn't want her" are beyond the pale, y'all.

[IKnowRight]

Bethenny is good friends with Kyle. Kristin is good friends with Brandy. Brandy and Kyle hate each other. I'm sure B knows the hell Brandy put Kyle through during the BH filming. I think B had pre-conceived ideas of what Kristin was like because she hangs with a nutjob like Brandy and that is why she has no intention or desire to get to know Kristin. JMHO but it does make a little sense, right?

ITA. I commented on this a while back, but I can't remember the topic. I suspected that connection might be related to how Bethenny approaches or interacts with Kristin. It's hard for me to believe Kristin & Brandi were buddies because their personalities, style of dress, manners are very different, but they were friends in their younger, modeling days. I would be apprehensive about having to work with a friend of Brandis!

It's weird though because first episode Beth seemed to pursue friendship with the new girls and not Ramona, but circumstances have changed.

I found sometimes the topic of discussions here get heated because some posters take the comments to heart? Sometimes they take offense because they take them personally?? Not sure. I remember saying I thought it was icky for 50 year old women to hit on 20 something's. (Example: Sonja & Derrick). I would feel the same about Mario if he hit on someone Averys age. I feel this way because I have 23, 22 and 19 year old kids. It's an Ick factor FOR ME that I voiced. It's just my OPINION. Feel free to discuss and disagree, that's why we are here. However, I felt some of the responses to my post were very mean spirited towards me as a person...a person you don't know. Like, how dare I say such things!! I disagree and may try to make a point as to why I disagree, but I think I have refrained from attacking others. Once, I got sarcastic in another thread, but that was after someone took issue with my opinion. I prefer to use my sarcasm snark ability on the housewives where it belongs, which is what I think makes this board really fun. Can't we all just get along?! Sarah Winchester reminds us, "Is this the kind of world we are living in?"

You mentioned Bethennys hair mop. I happen to think it looks pretty. We have different opinions, what's the big deal. That was your opinion and its your right to make that comment whether I agreed with it or not. Plus, sometime I and we may change our mind. One minute I hate Bethenny and the next, I love her. Same with Ramona Coaster. I fear when Theresa Guidici comes back on NJ!

Edited June 18, 2015 by IKnowRight

[archer1267]

I bet if Luann strutted by the bar she would get a bunch more interest than her skanky skinny girl ass.

 

 

That was my favorite part of the episode…and it was the same guy who checked out all three! I wonder if LuAnn got up and did the same, or if she knew it wasn't a fair fight and found an excuse to stay put.

 

The doorman comment didn't bother me so much. Maybe these women will indulge in a cupcake when not filming, but Ramona's someone who ordered steamed vegetables at a bar! Of course she wasn't going to eat those cupcakes or keep them in the house. (It was a weird activity for them all to begin with!) I didn't see that as a classist comment so much as maybe the doorman had a lot of kids, or he'd be the first person - or only person - she'd encounter that day in the UES who wasn't fanatically watching his figure.

Dorinda is the definition of non-threatening in every way:  she is older, not a businesswoman

 

 

Not now, but she did have a successful cashmere business (DCL Cashmere) when she lived in London. But I totally agree that Dorinda and Carole's more laid-back personalities are good foils for someone like Bethenny or Ramona…or even Heather.

[imjagain]

I agree the cupcakes/doorman thing didn't really bother me. Ramona seems to be very strict with her diet. I remember before Mario's affair was outed, Ramona had a season where people kept mentioning her wine belly, looks like she took great effort to change that, good for her. She looks very toned now. Still can't stand her but she looks good.

I try to eat pretty healthy and never keep chips in the house because they are my weakness

Edited June 18, 2015 by imjagain

[trimthatfat]

 

The doorman comment didn't bother me so much. Maybe these women will indulge in a cupcake when not filming, but Ramona's someone who ordered steamed vegetables at a bar! Of course she wasn't going to eat those cupcakes or keep them in the house. (It was a weird activity for them all to begin with!) I didn't see that as a classist comment so much as maybe the doorman had a lot of kids, or he'd be the first person - or only person - she'd encounter that day in the UES who wasn't fanatically watching his figure.

That's how I saw it. I personally hate wasting food so if I can find someone to give it to (a coworker, a neighbor, a friend), I'd rather do that.

[ButterQueen]

Personally, if I'm ever in a situation where someone gets so upset that they break out in tears and run into another room, I am certainly not going to bring up the issue that upset them as soon as they composed themselves and came back in the room. Let. It. Go.

I like the way Carole handled the tears, she ended up getting Bethenny to laugh about something else.

Bethenny is on a reality show -- it's her cast mates job to talk about this kind of thing.....has been this way in all previous shows. But somehow, Bethenny deserves special treatment. I'm so tired of her

[ParkCirclegirl]

Maybe I heard wrong but...when Ro walked in to the nail salon she said "I am glad you ordered me eggs," um, first off, it was a nail salon and secondly I never saw that B had any eggs for Ro.  Did I imagine that?

[IKnowRight]

I agree the cupcakes/doorman thing didn't really bother me. Ramona seems to be very strict with her diet. I remember before Mario's affair was outed, Ramona had a season where people kept mentioning her wine belly, looks like she took great effort to change that, good for her. She looks very toned now. Still can't stand her but she looks good.

I try to eat pretty healthy and never keep chips in the house because they are my weakness . I could see my self giving away cupcakes.

It was a weird activity for these women to do imo.

Agreed.

Maybe, her doorman is a sugarholic. Maybe he/she comments on the goodies seen coming into the building which tells Ramona that if Avery & friends aren't home to eat the sweets, the chocoholic doorman wound want them....it might just be that innocent.

With that said, yes, sometimes Ramona acts like she has an Upper Eastside stick up her rear end. She can be such a snob.

We all know that one person, neighbor, office co-worker that will eat the sweets when we are on a diet though. I decline for diet reasons and the ICK factor of not knowing if the person washed their hands before assembly!! Being a parent or around kids really emphasizes the visual of dirty hands touching ALL the individual pieces of candy in the candy bowl.

[Trooper York]

I think youse guys are totally off about the doorman comment. Theses girls are a bunch of entitled elitist snobs. I can give you example after example of the treating working class service people like crap. Luann freaking out about dancing with the help. Dorinda mistaking a random passing black dude for a waiter and handing her wrap in her best Gone with the Wind tude. Bethenny mocking the waiter when he was talking about the menu. And best of all Ramona demanding eggs in a nail parlor!

When they were at Parkside the acted like they were at the zoo. Donuts are good enough for the fat boobs from the outer boroughs who work a service job. The housewives get caviar. and Skinny Girl Sea Salt Kale Chips!

Edited June 18, 2015 by Trooper York

[IKnowRight]

I think you guys are totally off about the doorman comment. Theses girls are a bunch of entitled elitist snobs. I can give you example after example of the treating working class service people like crap. Luann freaking out about dancing with the help. Dorinda mistaking a random passing black dude for a waiter and handing her wrap in her best Gone with the Wind tude. Bethenny mocking the waiter when he was talking about the menu. And best of all Ramona demanding eggs in a nail parlor!

When they were at Parkside the acted like they were at the zoo. Donuts are good enough for the fat boobs from the outer boroughs who work a service job. The housewives get caviare and Skinny Girl Sea Salt Kale Chips!

Yup. That's a good point too. Who the heck knows with these women!

And what's with sea salt fad on everything?!! I can't even get a good piece of chocolate caramel that doesn't have sea salt stuck on it anymore! Keeps me on my diet though. :(

Skinny Girl just did that because it's the flavor of the moment. Yet another example that not everyone is the same.

Edited June 18, 2015 by IKnowRight

[Trooper York]

Of course I only feel this way because I am a working class guy from Brooklyn who has been dealing with snooty Upper East Side bitches all my life. Now they are moving to Brooklyn and I have to deal with them in the line at the pork store.

Life sucks sometimes.

[ghoulina]

Also, Sonja' s "even Heather has lost weight" was bitchy as hell.

 

Wasn't it? I didn't understand the point of that comment at all. Like Heather was some fat cow who was unlikely to be able to shed weight? Or she was SO skinny that there's really no need? I've always found Heather to have a very fit, athletic body. Nothing wrong with it at all. 

[ryebread]

Once, I got sarcastic in another thread, but that was after someone took issue with my opinion. I prefer to use my sarcasm snark ability on the housewives where it belongs, which is what I think makes this board really fun. Can't we all just get along?! Sarah Winchester reminds us, "Is this the kind of world we are living in?"

Kids are my hot button. I don't doubt it's a hot button for Beth and Heather, too. I haven't seen the episode yet but I am taking everyone at their word that Heather didn't take issue with Bethenny leaving T&C early. She's the mother of a struggling child, too. I don't care for Heather but she's not a monster. I can't imagine why she'd care.

Last night someone nipped me because I made a comment about how awful it is to compare children's struggles. I used sarcasm and it was misunderstood. Sarcasm is a thing, yo. If you know me even a little, if you read any of my posts, I'm 100% child advocate. Your kids, my kids. You might not like me but I looove your kids.

[Crikey]

I think youse guys are totally off about the doorman comment. Theses girls are a bunch of entitled elitist snobs. I can give you example after example of the treating working class service people like crap. Luann freaking out about dancing with the help. Dorinda mistaking a random passing black dude for a waiter and handing her wrap in her best Gone with the Wind tude. Bethenny mocking the waiter when he was talking about the menu. And best of all Ramona demanding eggs in a nail parlor!

When they were at Parkside the acted like they were at the zoo. Donuts are good enough for the fat boobs from the outer boroughs who work a service job. The housewives get caviar. and Skinny Girl Sea Salt Kale Chips!

THIS explains a lot about the HWs!  lol

[Bossa Nova]

Ottergirl, excellent analysis of Bethenny up thread.

 

Re: the Parkside restaurant scene. Loved, loved that. Very Goodfellas. So old world, so old school. I think Bethenny said that growing up at the racetrack that she often went to places "like" Parkside (or did she say she actually went to Parkside?). Nonethless, I had the distinct feeling that it was actually Bethenny's idea to take the gals there. It was off beat, novel and great to have them leave Manhattan and go to Queens. I noted that Ramona didn't freak out !

 

And that scene with the 4 oldest (except Beth) and divorced (well almost Ramona), "divorcees",  and dressed up had such a great girls night out vibe. It was so not Orange County and those blonde bimbos every season with no taste or real sophistication.

 

This is why New York is my favorite franchise.  

[Celia Rubenstein]

I don't remember Heather saying anything about the potential schedule change other than she herself wouldn't be able to make any changes if the dates were rearranged because she had her own stuff going on. She looked frustrated as hell there for a minute and I thought she was going to blow, but she held it together.

I thought she went on to handle Bethenny getting upset pretty well, choosing to not get too involved and then trying to be upbeat saying what a good time they were going to have. I was so glad she acted the way I would have wanted my friend to act in that situation, because I really want to like Heather. Up until this season she was pretty much my favorite, and I need to like at least one of these women to be able to watch the show.