S05.E08: Mom vs. Mom

[Tara Ariano]

Amber, Farrah, Maci and Cate arrive in New York to do press for the show; and tension erupts between Farrah and the others when she learns that Maci had quit the series because of her.

[Brooklynista]

I hope Farrah doesn't disappoint and chews Maci a new asshole.  Maci grates on my nerves something fierce and you can just tell that her circle of vapid friends don't do  anything but sit around and jerk each other.

 

"You're so pretty"

"You're so skinny"

"Ryan is still totes in love with you"

 

 

Suck it Maci.  I hope Farrah lets her know that the universe is not enamored with her pimply ass.  If I'm lucky Farrah will drop a few bombs about Maci having two baby daddies.

[zenme]

I hope Farrah doesn't disappoint and chews Maci a new asshole.  Maci grates on my nerves something fierce and you can just tell that her circle of vapid friends don't do  anything but sit around and jerk each other.

 

I'm really looking forward to this--Mean Girl vs. Mean Girl, and l too wish that Farrah will, as you say, "chews Maci a new asshole."  I will be very surprised if Farrah pulls any punches.  You don't want to tangle with crazy woman!

[MyPeopleAreNordic]

If I'm lucky Farrah will drop a few bombs about Maci having two baby daddies.

^^^THIS. Please let this happen!!!

[GreatKazu]

I am so looking forward to that verbal smack down by Farrah. This may be her best porn scene ever!!

 

When Farrah laid into Cate and Tyler on the Couples Reunion show, reminding them of their supposed dreams of going to college, that shit had me rolling! I can't stand Farrah one bit, but girl hit it on the nose! Do not say anything to her about what she has done or she will remind you of what you have said on camera. This is why I think Cate did an about-face and claims to not take issue with Farrah being back on the show. She has to deal with her on some level, especially on the after-shows and she has learned it is best to just not get down and dirty with Farrah. Cate will come out looking like the foolish one as she points her finger at Farrah when four fingers are pointing right back at her. Maci didn't get the memo on that!

[KYBlonde]

 

If I'm lucky Farrah will drop a few bombs about Maci having two baby daddies.

 

 There is no doubt in my mind that if Farrah could find some idiot to bang her for free?  She would have more than two baby daddys.

[GreatKazu]

 There is no doubt in my mind that if Farrah could find some idiot to bang her for free?  She would have more than two baby daddys.

Perhaps, but she doesn't have two baby daddies.  Her child's father died. That is not the same as Maci having banged Ryan who is alive and well and apparently a thorn in Maci's side.

 

Farrah wasn't the one who threw out the judgment card on her fellow cast member. It was Maci who threatened not to be on the show anymore if Farrah were to be a part of it. With them fighting words, Maci should not expect to not have some shit slung at her, which is really the truth - she has two children with two different guys. In my opinion she did so for ulterior motives. Farrah, without a doubt, didn't ask for Derek to die and thus far, has no other babies coming into the world, and is not waiting around to get herself some money from other sources other than MTV.

 

I would like the back story on how things went down before production began for the current season. Didn't all the other cast members complain about Farrah or was it just Maci?

 

ETA: From this article it appears all the other girls were in on the whole tarnished image boat about Farrah and them being associated with her: http://www.nydailynews.com/entertainment/gossip/teen-mom-stars-mtv-fire-farrah-abraham-report-article-1.1727795

Edited May 8, 2015 by GreatKazu

[Brooklynista]

Maci makes it sound as if her coming back to the show was on the condition that Farrah wouldnt be there.  I just cannot buy that.  No way would MTV stop the show because Miss Priss wouldn't sign on if Farrah was filming.  I'm thinking MTV told her Farrah wasn't being asked back and Maci feeling butthurt over it is nothing more than feeling superior about getting an MTV check and Farrah wasn't.

[SPLAIN]

I really despise Maci for making me have to defend Farrah in any way, shape or form. Maci has no room to point fingers at anyone. She is mistaking image for reputation. She is also mistaken if she thinks she has established any image. If MTV is pushing this idea on her, then shame on them. Reputation is something that is earned over time through actions. It is how people perceive you. 

 

Maci sits there and laughs with her current boyfriend and her former boyfriend's parents at their dinner table as the comments fly about Maci having a show about her two baby daddies. I just don't see the humor. Was it supposed to be humor or were they actually being sarcastic and I just didn't realize it?

[Brooklynista]

I love when the Maci types are exposed. A Maci only works when she has her crew of yes men around her. They put batteries in her back, telling her every mean thing she says and does is funny and amazing. But when you get that Maci type alone and make them answer for their shit talking, they just crumble.

Maci had a chance to tell Farrah what her so called fears were with Farrah coming back to the show and she had nothing. Why? Cause a Maci can't stand alone. She's just hairspray and fluff and vapid meanness.

What really irked me was the girls sitting on the couch filming the Aftershow saying they shouldn't judge each other, but they were directing those comments to Farrah not Maci who was ready to quit the show. Shit like that is what keeps mean girls like Farrah mean.

And why didn't that lousy Aftershow host ask Maci why she had a problem with Farrah and not the ex-con?

[TaxNerd]

Maci said the word "porn" more than anyone else. If she hadn't made it an issue, it wouldn't have been mentioned past the first episode, where Farah clarified it wasn't porn, but a leaked home movie.

Loved how Farah denied being in porn becauae she didn't have a porn name, but instantly had a name ready.

Also noticed Amber drinking the wine at the pizza dinner right next to her fiance. Speaking of which, did they eat pizza for every single meal in NY? Yikes!

[Ffiferoo]

Unpopular opinion I guess, but I don't think Farrah's behavior this week was defensible at all.  Maci has definitely come off as self-involved and unnecessarily critical of Farrah, and I can get being upset about the comments that were made, but the way Farrah spoke to her was really disgusting.  That pretend-sweet relational aggression crap is straight out of middle school and it put me off even more than before.  

 

Obviously the porn remains a non-issue, but Farrah's certainly hasn't earned any respect with the rest of her actions.  Maybe some people feel that it's better to act that way than to be "fake", but there's such a thing as being polite to people you hate, because it's the mature thing to do.  Much as Farrah does not owe anyone an explanation for her life choices, Maci did not owe her an explanation of why she decided to pull back from the show, whether or not it had anything to do with Farrah.  

 

I know the producers try to create a lot of these situations because it's good TV, but jeez, people, you're all in it for the money, there's no need to be assholes about it!

[Brooklynista]

Bentley was especially taken with Farrah when he was little.

[zenme]

Kids are crazy these days but I just find it so difficult to believe that 6 yr old classmates ask Bentley if it was his mom who made the porn.

[GreatKazu]

 

Maci did not owe her an explanation of why she decided to pull back from the show, whether or not it had anything to do with Farrah

But it does have to do with Farrah, that is what has been pointed out numerous times by Maci. 

 

In case it has been forgotten, all the girls initially had issue with Farrah being on the show for this season, not just Maci. Maci is the one who threw a fit when she was told Farrah would be back.

 

 

there's such a thing as being polite to people you hate,

Maci wasn't being polite herself when she had her fit over Farrah coming back. In fact, she came off very immature, like a child having a tantrum. If there is one thing I hate, is someone who can't back their shit up and that is Maci. She is all tough and mighty to the producers, but she can't throw down when faced with the person with whom she had a problem.

[MyPeopleAreNordic]

I really noticed this episode how much Maci is starting to look like her mom.

[MyPeopleAreNordic]

Maci is taking the semester off of school because of doing press for the show, Bentley's baseball schedule, and being pregnant. So I guess she's not graduating this May after all?

Farrah is right- Maci is in the same place she was six years ago (just with a second baby daddy/trap baby).

Also, note to Farrah - homemade leaked sex tapes don't have camera people, professional lighting, and the leading man of the porn world. At this point I can't decide whether she legitimately believes it was a leaked homemade tape (because she's insane and has convinced herself that it was) or if this is some stupid plan to be a crazy character that gets her extra attention.

Edited May 13, 2015 by MyPeopleAreNordic

[Christina]

I've only watched part of one episode this season, but read here. After hearing how Tyler was riding Catelyn about her weight, I was a bit surprised to see how big he is getting. His face and neck are much chubbier than I remembered.

 

I also thought Farrah was looking old, and this was after they had her in makeup. It's seems so rare that plastic surgery makes people look younger.

 

I know that I've only commented on people's looks, and I will finish watching the episode and maybe have more to add. I've also used a variation of "I" seven times now, making me almost as narcissistic as Farrah :D

[MyPeopleAreNordic]

Also, I'm stunned by how some of these girls treat the producers and staff on the show. I'm not really surprised by how we saw Farrah treat producers or people or whatever. When they were filimg the after show, Maci refused to come out of the room and get on stage (without the other girls)....just wow. I can't imagine my boss or someone relaying a message from my boss telling me to go do the job I agreed to do (in this case, the aftershow) and flatly refusing to do so. Just wow. This is the job that pays your bills, Maci. This is what keeps you in spray tans, ridiculous hair colors, gaudy Young & Reckless apparel, new cars, etc. Get over yourself and go do your job. We all have unpleasant coworkers or aspects of our job but we do them without making sure our clique or friends are included as back up and buffers. Yeah, Farrah sucks. But that MTV check doesn't, right, Maci?

Matt is creppier in NYC than in Indiana. I don't know why but his creeper vibe seemed so much higher in the scenes there.

Amber has Farrah's number. She knows Farrah really does care very much what others think of her and that she's sad she doesn't enjoy the friendship the other girls do. It seems to me Farrah was deeply hurt in her life by someone she loved and got close to - so now she puts up a bitchy front and sabotages any potential friendships by being such a colossal bitch to everyone. I'd say this was possibly due to Derek's death but I don't know...seems like she was a bitch even before that.

She seems to be way less of a bitch to Simon but also way more into him than he is into her.

Edited May 13, 2015 by MyPeopleAreNordic

[Isthisok]

Line of the night goes to Farrah.

(Speaking about Maci's faux sanctimonious speech about protecting her child from porn): "Ryan was probably looking at my backdoor."

[Meatball]

I would prefer to believe that even Ryan thinks Farrah is gross.

[Christina]

I think  I rolled my eyes back in my head when Maci was saying she was afraid Bentley's friends at school would ask if his mom was the one who did the porn. Hell, she's the one that keeps talking about it. It would probably be his friends asking him what porn is and why his mom keeps talking about it, since they asked their parents and were told, "you'll understand when you are older." Assuming their parents even let them watch this show. She seems to think it is a PBS show.

[LexiconDevilOne]

Ugh, I can't stand either Maci or Farrah, so I couldn't pick a side even, if I had a gun to my head.

 

Both have made questionable life decisions. Both live in deep denial about those life choices. Neither have matured much above the elementary playground.

 

Farrah is a whore, who sold her body, and any shred of dignity she may have had, for money. And, no where near as much as she wants us to think she did. Why else is she on this show? I don't believe one word, deed or action that comes from her or any member of her 'family'. Sophia's book will be as interesting a read as any Duggar kids will be...

 

Maci is someone who hasn't progressed much since her 16 & Pregnant. Spend years chasing alcohol, party after party, and guys, while putting off school, so that you spend SEVEN YEARS getting a two year degree is beyond dumb. That 'MILF' lipstick business doesn't help your position.

 

 

I can't wait for Teen Mom 2...

 

Bentley's classmates may not be watching this show, and Farrah's porn, but you can bet your bottom dollar their parents are/have.

Edited May 12, 2015 by LexiconDevilOne

[NikSac]

Well that was interesting.

 

I'm no big Maci fan but she came off a tiny bit better than I thought she would in this whole episode (which isn't saying much as I wasn't expecting much).  I thought she had a good point when she said Farrah's attitude made it impossible for her to talk. Plus Farrah pulled the ol' "fine, talk!" followed by talking over Maci the second she tried to (or, alternately, giving her an extremely nasty look).

 

Farrah had a very good point about it being hypocritical, but at this point I think they're pretty much all hypocrites, with the possible exception of Catelynn and Tyler.

 

Farrah managed to come off worse to me than I thought she would. I didn't even think that was possible. She is delusional about that "boyfriend" who clearly doesn't want to marry her. When they were talking about him wanting to be one of those guys who's 40 and out f'ing around I was thinking that seemed like a pretty good description of his likely plan. I thought the argument between Farrah and Maci was kind of understandable, but Farrah just drives me insane. She thinks because she's had years of therapy that makes her somehow better and more self-aware than pretty much anyone else on the planet?  Um, no. It might be helping, but not very much.  That look she shot Amber during the After Show filming when Amber said there was "no animosity" was weird. Smart of Amber just to stop talking.

 

Tyler was ticking me off when the rest of them were having lunch or dinner while Farrah was filming her interview. He just likes to stir up shit, doesn't he?  He was playing both sides. Telling Catelynn they should be fine with Farrah because there's no beef with her, while when everyone else was there he was going on about how Farrah doing a porn was so much worse than anything anyone else has done, and including the "Teen Mom" name in there made it even worse because it would show up on searches first (ha... he would know, with how he hovers over the computer and anything Teen Mom related).

 

And several others have brought this up, but that is a very good point I hadn't even thought of about Bentley's classmates asking if his Mom was the one that did the porn. How would they even know what a porn was, or that one existed from "Bentley's" show?

 

Was Amber really drinking in one of the scenes?  I'll have to re-watch. I wonder if she's one of those who thinks that as long as she's not doing her original drug she's sober?  I hope not.

 

Can't believe I'm going to watch this again but I feel like I missed a lot.

[Darknight]

Ugh, I can't stand either Maci or Farrah, so I couldn't pick a side even, if I had a gun to my head.

Both have made questionable life decisions. Both live in deep denial about those life choices. Neither have matured much above the elementary playground.

Farrah is a whore, who sold her body, and any shred of dignity she may have had, for money. And, no where near as much as she wants us to think she did. Why else is she on this show? I don't believe one word, deed or action that comes from her or any member of her 'family'. Sophia's book will be as interesting a read as any Duggar kids will be...

Maci is someone who hasn't progressed much since her 16 & Pregnant. Spend years chasing alcohol, party after party, and guys, while putting off school, so that you spend SEVEN YEARS getting a two year degree is beyond dumb. That 'MILF' lipstick business doesn't help your position.

I can't wait for Teen Mom 2...

Bentley's classmates may not be watching this show, and Farrah's porn, but you can bet your bottom dollar their parents are/have.

Not defending Farrah because she's rude and disrespectful but I see porn as a career. It's sex on camera and you get a paycheck. Doesn't make her a whore imo. Granted that I do know people in porn maybe that's why my views on Farrah doing porn doesn't bother me.

See this is why kids should be protected. Bentley's classmates may watch teen mom but they probably don't understand. Their parents probably watch and talk about it. But they also talk about Maci and how she was a teen mom dealing her her ex and now has a second child to a guy that doesn't care for her.

I think I rolled my eyes back in my head when Maci was saying she was afraid Bentley's friends at school would ask if his mom was the one who did the porn. Hell, she's the one that keeps talking about it. It would probably be his friends asking him what porn is and why his mom keeps talking about it, since they asked their parents and were told, "you'll understand when you are older." Assuming their parents even let them watch this show. She seems to think it is a PBS show.

But what about being a drug addict? Would his friends ask that. Or what about having unstable relationships or your father treating you like shit. Would Bentley's friends ask him that? And what 6 yo knows what porn is anyway?

[Maharincess]

Well damn. I wrote out a very profound, articulate, intelligent post about this bullshit and it disappeared.

I'm on some heavy pain killers tonight (legally!) so it was probably gibberish but it's gone. With the way I'm feeling it's probably in the Modern Family theead. Or I imagined the whole thing.

Anyway. Long story short of my post was that I hate the double standard crap. Drugs, violence and prison,ok. Porn bad.

I wonder if the kids at Bentley's school ask him if his mom is the one who did drugs and was always high, and if she was the mom who beat up his dad and went to prison. Because that shit actually happened on the show. Farrah didn't do porn on TV. Despite what Maci thinks.

She's so full of shit.

I'm with the posters who dislike both Farrah and Maci but I judge people like that by who I would rather spend time with if I had to make the choice. I have to say I'd pick Maci.

I apologize if you're reading an entirely different thread and my post talking about Maci pops up. I don't even know where the hell I am right now.

Edited May 12, 2015 by Maharincess

[Darknight]

Maci is taking the semester off of school because of doing press for the show, Bentley's baseball schedule, and being pregnant. So I guess she's not graduating this May after all?

Farrah is right- Maci is in the same place she was six years ago (just with a second baby daddy/trap baby).

Also, note to Farrah - homemade leaked sex tapes don't have camera people, professional lighting, and the leading man of the porn world. At this point I can't decide whether she legitimately believes it was a leaked homemade tape (because she's insane and has convinced herself that it was) or if she this is some stupid plan to be a crazy character that gets her extra attention.

Okay Maci keep telling yourself that. It doesn't or shouldn't take six damn years for a two year degree. More excuses. She's just lazy as hell

Farrah is delusional. We all know it's peon Farrah not a sex tape.

[Maharincess]

Not defending Farrah because she's rude and disrespectful but I see porn as a career. It's sex on camera and you get a paycheck. Doesn't make her a whore imo. Granted that I do know people in porn maybe that's why my views on Farrah doing porn doesn't bother me.

See this is why kids should be protected. Bentley's classmates may watch teen mom but they probably don't understand. Their parents probably watch and talk about it. But they also talk about Maci and how she was a teen mom dealing her her ex and now has a second child to a guy that doesn't care for her.

But what about being a drug addict? Would his friends ask that. Or what about having unstable relationships or your father treating you like shit. Would Bentley's friends ask him that? And what 6 yo knows what porn is anyway?

Thank you. I cringe when I see any woman being called a whore.

[Spencer Hastings]

Sometimes I think Farrah is playing us. Yes, she is insane. Most of her behavior is unacceptable and she seemingly has no perception of appropriate social behaviors. I get that. But I'll be darned if she didn't hit the nail on the head when talking about Maci tonight. She was absolutely right when she said Maci keeps coming back for money. I applauded when she said Maci has bigger issues than Farrah's porn if she's throwing such a big fit about it. She made some pretty fair and mature assessments tonight, which makes me think she isn't all the way gone. I also laughed when she said that Ryan had probably seen her backdoor. Didn't he just ask her to contact him?

Maci needs to get a grip. She has spent the last six years partying, chasing boys around the country, getting implants, complaining about Ryan's girlfriends, and getting a two year degree. If Bentley's friends really want to pick on something when he's older, she's given them PLENTY of ammunition herself. They're going to zero in on her train wreck of a life before they even worry about some porn star from Iowa.

I'm also very sad that I didn't get any words of wisdom from Price Larry.

[woodscommaelle]

Maci puts off school like Tyler puts off marriage.

[NikSac]

I took one for the team and re-watched parts of this episode.

 

First, I don't know how I missed this the first time but it's annoying as hell how Maci talks about how she "quit the show" a zillion times, wonders if Farrah knows she quit the show, blah blah blah.  Well why would she know that? You're in New York filming for the show.  That doesn't exactly scream "quit the show" to me. Maybe Farrah didn't know you quit the show because you didn't?

 

Second, yes Amber had wine. At first I thought people were talking about the blue bottle in front of her at their dinner in New York, but that could easily be some kind of fancy water.  However in the pizza scene with the 3 girls and Matt, they very clearly show her with a large partially full wine glass in her hand while they're eating pizza and talking. It's got the same thing in it that Catelynn's drinking, and if it's not white wine I don't know what the heck else it would be. If anyone else wants to re-watch this scene starts approximately 50 minutes into the show. Actually right around 53 according to my DVR. The first time you see her with it is right when they start digging into the pizza, and then you can see it a second time a bit later. It looks fuller to me in the second shot so I'm thinking either she refilled it or that was shown out of order.  They don't show her actually drinking it like they do with Catelynn, but she's clearly holding it, and it's her drink (she's not just hanging onto it for someone else to get it out of the way while they grabbed a plate of food or set the pizza down).  I was really sad to see that.

[missbonnie]

I'm not a huge fan of Maci by any means, but if I had to sit in a room with Farrah and listen to that narcissistic, crazy bitch talk over me with her big fat fake lips and face, they'd be calling the cops inside of five minutes. She's a loathsome, vile creature and has been from the moment she first appeared on this show. I was dying laughing at her attempt to get her new guy into marriage mode. How many times is this now?

[poeticlicensed]

I think that Farrah has a serious mental health issue. No one is that nasty, defensive  and vile without an underlying cause. Regardless of her mental issues, she is still able to assess situations. She called it when she said Maci is in it for the money. But then again, that's why they are all there. Without MTV, they would be useless 21 year olds probably living in poverty.

 

Maci is an ass. As my dad used to say, "Don't write a check with your mouth that your ass can't cash". If she wants to quit, then quit. But don't talk about the fact that you quit, when in fact you are now working. Maci was just blowing hot air. As far as it affecting Bentley, just being on teh show period is going to affect him far more than if one cast member did a porn. She will scream at Bentley's dad, shit talk him behind is back, all while the cameras roll. Why isn't she concerned about that? Oh, yeah, it's about the $$$.  I  did a major eyeroll when she said that not only could she not take classes, she could not work at all because Bentley had baseball and she is pg. Oh and because she had to do publicity for the show she quit. Newsflash Maci, zillions of moms balance work, school, kids. You are useless. 

 

Cate has huge body issues. I feel bad for her. 

 

Amber's fiance is so creepy. 

Edited May 12, 2015 by poeticlicensed

[Brooklynista]

I wish there had been a quiet moment with Catelynn asking Maci why she had a problem with Farrah doing porn and not with Amber being a drug addicted ex-con. I would have had more respect for Maci if she said "I just don't like the bitch".

If Maci had any balls at all, she would have said it to Farrah but no Maci is just a self important mean girl. And there wasn't a single moment of her being called on it.

I felt a little bad for Farrah when the girls were hugging their goodbyes. Not a single friend for Farrah. I think part of her meanness is a front. Amber is right with that one. Farrah does care. Even assholes have feelings and Im sure being left out by MTV and then shunned by the girls has to hurt.

[ghoulina]

So Simon is already dropping the oh-so-subtle "I'm never going to marry you hints"? He must have seen the footage of that guy in Texas Farrah went out with for a hot minute, and was already talking about rings with! 

 

Amber is going to grow into that couch if she doesn't get up off it it. I'm surprised she didn't make the NYC press tour come to her. And shout, "Come in!" from her couch as OK magazine knocked on the door. 

 

Maci and Taylor, OTOH, apparently live outside. Or at least that's the price they pay for no longer filming with Bentley. But it's all good, they got a replacement Bentley in the form of an adorable Boxer puppy!

 

And surprise, surprise - Maci has to quit school. AGAIN. Because you know, she's pregnant. Oh, and Bentley has school, AND he's starting soccer! (or baseball, or whatever she said.) I hope no one ever tells Maci that there are working moms out there who manage to take their kids to and from school as well as attend their sports games. She might just drop dead of a heart attack. 

 

I was finding it pretty hilarious watching Maci squirm in anticipation of being around Farrah. She clearly is intimidated by her, maybe wishing she didn't make such a big deal about the porn thing? So yea, I was excited to watch Farrah take her to task. But then Farrah ruined it, by being Farrah. She had to get all infantile and arrogant, so her points were just lost on me. If you refuse to let me get a word in edgewise, I'm going to walk away as well. As hypocritical as I find Maci's stance, at least she can say - "We all have different parenting philosophies". Whereas Farrah is all, "I don't agree with you so you're wrong!" 

 

But where she REALLY lost me was when she took it out on Amber and Catelynn as well. I mean, maybe she assumes that they're Maci's friends so they're in agreement with her? But you know what they say about people who assume. I hope Farrah feels like a real big ass when she watches the footage and sees how the other girls were fine with her coming back, and Amber especially was quite supportive and non-judgmental. 

 

Amber did a much better job of taking someone to task, Farrah, on the after show. She held her ground and was firm and concise, in pointing out how shitty that tweet was. Farrah tried to do her usual tip-toeing, but Amber called it what it was - a bitchy, passive aggressive move that was totally not warranted. If only Amber could remain that composed and logical when fighting with Gary!

 

I did find it amusing that TYLER was the first one to know about the tweet and alert everyone. Also, he knew that Farrah's Backdoor tape was one of the first items that comes up when you Google Teen Mom. That dude lives for the internet. It's quite sad. 

[Whitley Trillbert]

When they show Farrah with guys it just makes me CRINGE. 

[Isthisok]

I enjoyed all the things Farrah said about Maci. The rest of the time she sounded like Oswald Bates. English is your first language, Farrah!

[Primetimer]

The OGs meet up at MTV HQ to talk about footage we've already watched, show off their new purple hair, and fight.

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[ivgotspirit02]

Amber did a much better job of taking someone to task, Farrah, on the after show. She held her ground and was firm and concise, in pointing out how shitty that tweet was. Farrah tried to do her usual tip-toeing, but Amber called it what it was - a bitchy, passive aggressive move that was totally not warranted. If only Amber could remain that composed and logical when fighting with Gary!

 

 

It's very rare that I'm impressed with Amber but I agree with all of this. She was very composed, calm and rational when discussing that tweet and why it hurt her feelings. I also wish that she could apply the same tactics when discussing ANYTHING with Gary. Dude must know exactly which buttons to push to set her off. 

I can never fully side with either Farrah or Maci so this episode was a rough ride for me. I tend to be a Farrah apologist (our moms are both crazy lol) but I really can't stand to listen to her and see her be such a huge bitch. She just treats people so terribly that even when she makes a valid point, it is undercut because she is being so vile. Maci makes no sense to me. It's been discussed numerous times on this board how flimsy her reasoning is for "quitting the show". We get it Maci, you don't like Farrah. No one blames you for that. Just admit it and if you have SUCH a problem with that you need to actually quit. Her segments are boring enough already, eliminating Bentley just makes them completely unwatchable. 

[HolmesUltimateQu]

"If I were a porn person, I'd have a porn name... and it would be Candy Willow... featuring Ryan - Maci's exboyfriend."

 

I seriously LMFAO'ed. She said that with such ease. "It would be Candy Willow..."

 

You know, I love to hate Farrah. I barely even hate her. I kind of like her. At least she is who she is. Yeah, she's insane and annoying but she's not fake.

[trimthatfat]

I don't know how I feel about the broken 4th wall. The production process is really fascinating, but I feel a little annoyed that the producers are stirring up shit between the cast members, I guess the show would be quite boring otherwise, but eh.

 

I call BS on Maci being afraid of Bentley's friends learning about Farrah. Like, really? Who cares? He's 6. I know kids talk, but give me break.

 

Maci looked scared when Farrah confronted her. She's fake as hell...she had no issue hugging Farrah and talking to her, but once she saw that trailer, I can tell she knew shit was going to hit the fan.

 

Farrah's tweet was ridiculous. Why would the other women put their children on the cover of their books? Farrah had a picture of Sophia on the cover of her book titled 'My Teenage Dream Ended'. Let's marinate in that for a second.

 

I like Amber. She is growing, slowly, but surely. I thought she expressed her point very clearly about Farrah's tweet and she didn't attack Farrah. On a shallow note, I love the combo of the purple hair color and glasses.

Edited May 12, 2015 by trimthatfat

[Tatum]

About the time I start thinking anything nice about Farrah, she ruins it by opening her mouth. I do think likely there is some trauma or abuse that happened in her past, but that doesn't mean she isn't still a complete bitch. Unlikeable people can be victims too.

 

I think I'm presently more annoyed with Maci than Farrah not because I think Farrah is in any way superior to Maci (in that they both are obnoxious in their own ways) but Farrah seems like she's always called out for whatever she does while Maci is continually heralded as the Teen Mom Hero due to the facts that 1. she occasionally takes classes, 2. she's never been to jail, 3. She's never been shown on camera abusing either her kid or her partner, and 4. she can string a coherent sentence together with minimal grammar mistakes, and 5. when she's being snotty, she's passive aggressive about it, vs confrontational like Farrah, so people think she's nicer.

 

Yeah, low standards, but I'm sick of hearing about how "amazing" it is that Maci is avoiding the traps of teen motherhood by going to school and not being on any assistance, and crediting it all to her hard work and morals. Yeah, Maci gets paid more money than most college educated professionals twice her age, and her "schooling" is little more than a hobby she takes up from time to time.

[evilmindatwork]

Breaking the wall just reinforces to me how vulnerable and lonely both Farrah and Amber are. Catelynn, Tyler, and Maci treat their producers in a friendly but professional way.  They reveal just enough for the cameras but mostly have boundaries. Amber seems to think her producer is her best friend and "confides" in her even though she knows her confidence is going to be broadcast to the world. Farrah alternates between tantrums and Amber level intimacy (because that's Farrah, she just doesn't treat people well). Both of the latter girls are just so lonely. 

[ShaNaeNae]

Aaaaand this episode is perfect example of why MTV should have never paid four 16 year old knocked up girls money.

[ghoulina]

I can never fully side with either Farrah or Maci so this episode was a rough ride for me. I tend to be a Farrah apologist (our moms are both crazy lol) but I really can't stand to listen to her and see her be such a huge bitch. She just treats people so terribly that even when she makes a valid point, it is undercut because she is being so vile.

 

That's exactly my issue. I had zero problem with Farrah calling out Maci's hypocrisy and questioning her motives. But she just goes off on such a nasty tangent, you immediately lose all interest in what she has to say. 

 

I seriously LMFAO'ed. She said that with such ease. "It would be Candy Willow..."

 

That was hilarious! But damn, Candy Willow is a shitty porn name. 

 

I don't know how I feel about the broken 4th wall. The production process is really fascinating, but I feel a little annoyed that the producers are stirring up shit between the cast members, I guess the show would be quite boring otherwise, but eh.

 

The thing is, I'm sure the producers have always been stirring up drama like this. Now we just SEE it being done....which I prefer. 

[GreatKazu]

 

Farrah is a whore

You know, one doesn't have to be paid for sex in order to be labeled such a term. The definition of that word is also "one who is sexually promiscuous" and "having compromised one's principles for gain". I think all of these girls on this show fall under being MTV's wh**re, including the rest of the cast. Maci gives away sex in order to gain a guy. Farrah did it for money. I sure don't know what the difference is, not to mention, porn is a legal career.

 

Farrah and Maci are two of a kind and pretty much very similar. They both put on fake smiles when necessary and they both are hypocrites. I will stand my ground that I enjoy everything Farrah is throwing Maci's way. Now, I long for the day when someone throws shit in Farrah's face for the crap she has done.

 

I noticed the wine Amber was drinking. Yeah, she is not serious about her sobriety.

Edited May 12, 2015 by GreatKazu

[Maire]

Very interesting to see the behind the scenes treatment and producer shit stirring. But giving up your privacy for some free meals and a trip to NYC is an awful price to pay.

Amber must be so used to drinking alcohol that she didn't even try to hide it from the camera.

[GreatKazu]

 

But where she REALLY lost me was when she took it out on Amber and Catelynn as well. I mean, maybe she assumes that they're Maci's friends so they're in agreement with her? But you know what they say about people who assume

Amber and Catelynn were against Farrah returning to the show, too. They just decided to let it go, unlike Maci.

 

 

I was dying laughing at her attempt to get her new guy into marriage mode. How many times is this now?

Let's see...This is Farrah's second attempt. Amber has attempted how many guys to commit? Three or four? Maci has four under her belt (Ryan, Kyle King, Kyle Regal, Taylor). Did I miss any other guy she has been with?  I guess Maci wins.

Edited May 12, 2015 by GreatKazu

[LexiconDevilOne]

Not defending Farrah because she's rude and disrespectful but I see porn as a career. It's sex on camera and you get a paycheck. Doesn't make her a whore imo. Granted that I do know people in porn maybe that's why my views on Farrah doing porn doesn't bother me.

See this is why kids should be protected. Bentley's classmates may watch teen mom but they probably don't understand. Their parents probably watch and talk about it. But they also talk about Maci and how she was a teen mom dealing her her ex and now has a second child to a guy that doesn't care for her.

But what about being a drug addict? Would his friends ask that. Or what about having unstable relationships or your father treating you like shit. Would Bentley's friends ask him that? And what 6 yo knows what porn is anyway?

Porn is a lot of things, but a career it isn't, especially if you're female. Their 'careers' are short lived, at best. It's not the porn that bothers me, so much as the denial of her doing porn in the first place. She still is blathering on about it being a leaked 'sex tape'. Jenna Jamison is only a multimillionaire ( one of the few that are, because I don't believe for a second Farrah is) only because she had a very good luck, and a very smart (now ex) husband who managed her money through those Club Jenna. Farrah is NO Jenna Jamison. She's barely a 'z' lister.

 

As for the Bentley situation...kids hear their parents talking, and are a lot smarter than you are giving them credit for.

 

Again, I don't like either of these girls. Frankly, the lone voice of reason last night was Amber, and I don't think much of her choices either.

[GreatKazu]

 

I think  I rolled my eyes back in my head when Maci was saying she was afraid Bentley's friends at school would ask if his mom was the one who did the porn

No Maci. Bentley's friends know you as the mother who brings boyfriend after boyfriend to live under her roof. 

 

As far as Farrah's porn tape, I think there will be no more in her future. She did it, but won't admit to it. Now, what Maci mixes up is the porn tape and the sex toy venture. Having a line of sex toys is not the same as a porn career. Maci needs to know the difference. Just like Maci has that MILF lipstick she is advertising, Farrah is advertising sex toys. What is the difference? Aren't Bentley's friends going to ask about that? What about the fact that Maci had Bentley in that photo in that advertising?  http://starcasm.net/archives/314995

Edited May 12, 2015 by GreatKazu