S03.E20: The Fallen

[KenyaJ]

I hear next week is gonna have really good Digglicity scenes we shall see

 

Yeah, I know, and I'm all about it, but adding Laurel where she wasn't needed still rankles. I so much would have rather seen a Diggle/Lyla/Sara scene, and that would have resonated so much more after Ra's and Maseo's stories about their families.

 

Also, as much as I think Malcolm's presence on the show is unnecessary, I'll allow it if it means more Felicity/Malcolm scenes. I can never get enough of Felicity doing the angry growl at him.

[catrox14]

As sad as Oliver saying goodbye to Felicity was....I was GUTTED...utterly gutted by every scene Oliver had that involved Thea. :( /gross sobbing

[BkWurm1]

I don't think the brand brainwashed Oliver.  I don't think he was brainwashed at all when he put on the LoA gear, which is why the moment fell flat to me.  Ra's said Oliver was going to need Maseo (or insert League name I don't remember) in the next coming weeks as he completes his transformation so I think the brainwashing happens all off screen in the three week time jump.  

I wasn't bothered by Felicity and Laurel having a scene together because you know, she is part of this show (although it really was shoehorned in and unnecessary tbh). But I didn't like how Felicity was the crying weepy one and Laurel is the strong one with it all together. No. Don't go there.

Felicity crying breaking down didn't bother me.  I assume she went there to give Laurel the news in person but saying it out loud was far harder than she expected.   I made sense to me that Laurel would be comforting Felicity because Laurel isn't the one that has lost someone. 

[jay741982]

I wasn't bothered by Felicity and Laurel having a scene together because you know, she is part of this show (although it really was shoehorned in and unnecessary tbh). But I didn't like how Felicity was the crying weepy one and Laurel is the strong one with it all together. No. Don't go there.

The way I looked at it is she had a right to be She had just admitted that she loves,Oliver than had sex with him, then had to leave him it sucks she deeply loves him and fears she's lost him forever. She did tell him losing him would destroy her

[Lila82]

If Olicity were written like this every episode, I'd like them so much more, all show and no tell, and dialogue that was meaningful and true to who they are as individuals and as a romantic couple.  Their date in the season premiere was forced and awkward, as was the constant rinse, wash, repeat discussions about them being together, and it made me somewhat despise them because it was all so stupid and cliche and obvious.  Tonight, the actors got to shine, to show us the characters' emotions and journey with their faces, their bodies, and especially their eyes.  All the longing and yearning, the desperation and resignation - the dialogue was a supporting player rather than the main act.  Maybe it was a female writer?  Totally a female writer.  But I digress...it should have been this way all season, the actors showing us their characters' struggle rather than talking and talking and talking about it for episodes on end without any resolution.  It was out of character for Oliver, made Felicity pathetic, and was more insufferable than the flashbacks and Laurel combined.

 

When Felicity confronted R'as, I really hoped he'd say, "Screw this.  You are the new R'as al Ghul" and bowed down at her feet.  Alas, I did enjoyed their scene.  It helped humanize him, and given the circumstances, was also really good advice.

 

My sympathy for Maseo is limited by my hatred for Akio.  The sooner that kid is off my screen, the better. Hopefully, he'll take the flashbacks with him.

 

I had a hard time understanding Felicity, I need CC.

 

EBR permanent case of the Blake Lively mumbles, but is a strong enough actress to overcome her inability to annunciate.  Still, I always wish she'd take elocution lessons during the break.

 

I did burst out laughing when Thea launched Crouching Tiger style from the pit.

 

 

It felt more Samara from "The Ring" to me, which was terrifying.

[Morrigan2575]

So much going on in this episode but one of the little things I loved was, Felicity knocking the LoA guy out with the pole/staff and then the look between Fel/Dig, priceless.

[ottoDbusdriver]

So, is Felicity going to tell Ray that her Oliver-love is no longer an issue ?

[statsgirl]

We now have three doctors in Starling City, including the one from the pilot. Good to know.

 

 

The episode did give us so much is it wrong how much more I still want?

That's what a good episode does, you want to know what happens next and you want to know now. It's episodes like Midnight City that make me go "okay, maybe next week".

 

ITA that the brainwashing happens during the three weeks before next week's episode. I'm guessing we'll get a montage.

 The branding was interesting but Oliver oh, excuse me, the Arrow, suiting up for the League left me underwhelmed.

I thought they were going for a parallel with Felicity in Three Ghosts when she put the mask on Oliver and said that he looked like "a hero".  Now Ra's suits him up and he looks like an assassin.

 

Also Olicity got their own score for their love scene instead of a terrible song I am so….

It was a variation on the theme Neely wrote for the Queen mansion "I love you"  last season".  So yay, their own motif.

 

Not to go out on a limb here, so when will we find out that Felicity is carrying a mini-Arrow in her quiver.  </snark>

Since she was sleeping with Ray very recently, I assume she's covered.

 

While I didn't like Felicity crying in Laurel's office I did like that she (wo)manned up to tell Laurel what had happened to Oliver.  It must have been hard for Laurel to learn that Oliver is staying with the people who caused her sister's death.

 

I liked that Felicity was written as both love interest and badass in the episode.  Thought she should have taken the spear with her, though.

 

I wonder if there was a Diggle/Lyla scene that was cut for time, or if they didn't want to pay the actress who plays Lyla.

[Artsda]

Original Team Arrow scenes are so awesome. The show was original Arrow, so strong and I loved it. 

 

The goodbyes, Diggie, Malcolm, Thea's jump out the pit, Oliver's turn at the end declaring himself the heir. Loved it all.

 

Until the last few seconds that they had to slap Laurel in as Felicity's BFF? Really? Laurel is who Felicity runs to cry too. So forced that relationship.

[SmallScreenDiva]

I was worried about this episode because I felt like I built it all up in my head and it was totally going to disappoint me. Thank all the gods of television, it didn't. Up there as one of my favorite episodes this season (I could count them on one hand).

 

That sex scene was all kinds of hot. And short. I wanted more, LOL! And yeah, agree with the folks who said that's not a morning-after scene at all. But even with all the spoilers about Felicity plotting something, that surprised the heck out of me.

 

Stephen was totally amazing tonight. And so was Emily. They both knocked all their scenes, together and apart, out of the park. That goodbye had me crying. There were several scenes before that that had me tearing up (jet scene, which I thought was really lovely because of how open Oliver was and how you could tell Felicity was just dying to wrap her arms around him, and the opening scene with Oliver in the hospital, to name a couple).

 

I can never get enough of take-charge Felicity and her ordering Malcolm around will never be not funny and scary. I wish I weren't spoiled over her encounter with Ra's, but even knowing Ra's treats her with respect (per articles) I was still worried for her when she came barging in there pretty much yelling.

 

Brandon Routh was very good, I thought, in the breakup scene. Dignified but hurting. I didn't mind at all the way it played out.

 

David Ramsey and Stephen, man ... no words. They get me every single damn time with the whole "brother" thing.

 

The whole ep felt a bit rushed, though. I don't think the flashbacks were really needed this time (actually, I really am not a fan of the flashbacks at all). It felt like the momentum of the episode got interrupted every time.

 

The scene with Laurel made me groan. So not needed. If she needed to be told, I would have been OK hearing that someone told her next week.

 

Thea's growl and jump made me laugh. So not the reaction they were probably going for then.

 

I'll try again when I'm a bit more coherent. Gotta watch. For research. Science. You know ...

[TwistedandBored]

Haven't watched an episode of Arrow in a long time. I am glad I watched this one. Anyways, I was expecting Oliver (SA) to be bring in this episode but damn Felicity (EBR) and Diggle (DR) surprised me. Now, this is why I love Team Arrow so much. These three are way too awesome.

[jay741982]

So much going on in this episode but one of the little things I loved was, Felicity knocking the LoA guy out with the pole/staff and then the look between Fel/Dig, priceless.

Haha I loved that I don't think she's done something like that since plowing into Isobel. Diggle was "Damn" lol

[catrox14]

So much going on in this episode but one of the little things I loved was, Felicity knocking the LoA guy out with the pole/staff and then the look between Fel/Dig, priceless.

 

And of course, all I could think was PLEASE MAKE HER THE NEW BLACK CANARY!  Clearly Sara gave her some bowstaff lessons.

[bmoore4026]

Well, that was a downer.

 

And all for Thea.  FUCKING THEA!

 

And Oliver looks like he's overdressed for Mortal Kombat now.  He really does.

 

This whole Ra's Al Ghul storyline had better end with the ol' "Head of the Demon" getting run over with a steamroller.  It had better!

[statsgirl]

Stephen Amell, David Ramsey and Emily Bett Rickards are the core of the show. Tonight well aided by John Barrowman Willa Holland, Brandon Routh, Karl Yune, and yes, Matt Nable and Katie Cassidy.  See what you can accomplish, show, when you play to your strengths?

 

I"m still not a fan of Nable's Ra's but he made me feel his pain at losing his family and pushing Felicity to say goodbye to Oliver as he had not been able to himself.

 

While it wasn't technically a "morning afer" scene, it was a post-sex affection scene which is a first for Oliver, who up to now has usually been called away to fight, usually by Felicity.  The only people we've seen still with each other after sex was Diggle/Lyla and Roy/Thea.

[Velocity23]

[KenyaJ]

Haven't watched an episode of Arrow in a long time. I am glad I watched this one.

 

And I love that for the first time all season on Twitter, Mo Ryan mentioned watching Arrow (in the context of Olicity sex).

[Lantern7]

So . . . that happened.

 

Gotta echo the appreciation on the love-making session. Seriously, sex with Ollie probably tops Ray any day. I reckon that Ray and Felicity bumped heads at least twice during their romp, and that he forgot to take her glasses off. I don't think he shouted his dead love's name at a key moment, but I wouldn't put it past Ray. And I gotta give Felicity credit for having the onions to want to sneak Oliver out, Weekend At Bernie's style.

 

Good episode . . . between the sex, lack of Laurel and an upsetting episode of Survivor, I'm content. It would be nicer if the remnants of Team Arrow stomped Malcolm in the nuts for setting the wheels in motion, but I'm content to have what I got now.

[TwistedandBored]

And I love that for the first time all season on Twitter, Mo Ryan mentioned watching Arrow (in the context of Olicity sex).

 

Lots of critics wanted to see that Olicity sex and I for one can't blame them. It was hottt!!! 

[wonderwall]

And I love that for the first time all season on Twitter, Mo Ryan mentioned watching Arrow (in the context of Olicity sex).

What'd she think???

[Chaser]

Just finished the episode. The first one I actually watched live and didn't wait to read reaction or to be able to fast forward thru commercials. 

 

Wow. That was really good. Some parts did disappoint me. The jet scene was a let down; I really built it up in my head. Still a good scene though. SA was amazing and I did think that line from EBR about letting Oliver show was growth was nicely down. Very married. I did find myself wishing he had mentioned seeing her and I was surprised by that because that really wasn't something I wanted.

 

The love scene was hot. The kisses weren't chaste! Thank you! It was also romantic and I loved that. Oliver seemed stunned at first and then he was all into it. It was cute. I wish they have let Felicity talk sooner because Emily killed that monologue. I really hope we get more from her in the next episode. I'm not ashamed to admit that I wanted them to still be in bed for the morning after scene. The drugging didn't really brother me because I get it.

 

The Olicity farewell (it's not good bye damn it!) scene was done so well. The tears in both their eyes and refusing to say goodbye. When he said something about wanting her to live and be happy, I keep thinking back to 3x16. She needs him in her life to be happy dumbo.

 

Okay. That was my touch on Olicity. Moving on.

 

Felicity v Malcolm. Dude was turned on. Can't tell me otherwise.

 

Felicity v Ra's. That line about going to War was perfect. They better. Love the respect Ra's showed her and I was okay with that being the push to get her to Oliver. His accent was throwing me off, but he wasn't bad in that scene. Emily was just better.

 

Felicity/Diggle/Malcolm. I loved that they realized how crazy she was and they just went along with it. Pretty sure Malcolm went out of fear. Diggle is all Team Arrow. The escape scene was really well done. The tone and the fighting were really well done. At least Felicity and Thea shared some scenes! And talked! More Please!

 

Diggle and Maseo were so good. That is a great dynamic. I need more of it.

 

Seriously, Emily Stephen David and John were so good. Willa was too but she had a lost less to do.

 

I may have issues with Malcolm, but JB is really amazing. This was his best work.

 

Scene that got me the most? Hands down Oliver's last with Diggle and Felicity.

 

Laurel didn't need to be there. It should have been Diggle.

[KenyaJ]

What'd she think???

 

She tweeted the following to Connie (atom1cflea), she of the awesome photo recaps on Tumblr:

 

Mo Ryan @moryan

Just watched tonight's #Arrow & that sound we all heard was Tumblr EXPLODING ON FIYAH FOREVER amirite @ConnieBV?

 

[quarks]

No, I did not sniffle even once during this episode.  Stop looking at me.

 

Good things:

 

1. Oliver and Malcolm at the hospital. Not that I sniffled. At all.

 

2. Hey, Starling City does have more than one doctor! On behalf of the one doctor who's been around for the last couple of seasons, I must say I'm relieved to see that someone else is around to take care of the high injury/accident numbers in Starling City.

 

3. Glad that Felicity and Diggle just decided to come along this time.  Also liked Felicity later agreeing that Oliver really didn't have a choice here.

 

4. Felicity not wasting time over the Ray breakup, but admitting she'd hurt him, and moving on. And I gotta say it was rather big of Ray to let her and Oliver have that jet. Especially since they did have sexy times right after borrowing the jet.

 

5. And Felicity back into sensible clothing again.  Thanks, and more of this, show!

 

6. When not killing people, the League of Assassins apparently runs a luxury hotel complex. Ok then.  Loved that pretty much every bedroom was done in almost the exact same style.  Imagination doesn't seem to be their strong point.

 

7. Maseo and Diggle's scene, proving once again that this show needs more Diggle.

 

8. Ra's Al Ghul, Matchmaker to the Doomed. I laughed. I know I wasn't supposed to, but I laughed.

 

9.  Not one, but TWO plot related reasons for Oliver to take off his shirt!  Show, we are back on track!  Though I gotta say, having him put his shirt back on just to stand and look at the moon was a complete fail, show, even if Nanda Parbat seems to be a bit cold.

 

10. Felicity turning the sex moment into a drug moment. Yes, Felicity! 

 

11. Felicity admitting that her entire plan was based on seeing a lot of movies featuring secret passages out of fortresses. I laughed. Genre-savvy, yes, but Felicity, you do know that those are just movies, right? Then again, you're on Arrow. I take it back.

 

12. Felicity versus Malcolm. I have no idea why any of these people are working with Malcolm, but if it leads to scenes between those two, I'm good.

 

13. And speaking of "Yes, Felicity!" moments, that bit with her and the staff.

 

14. "It just made me love you more." I DID NOT SNIFFLE, GUYS. I ALREADY TOLD YOU THAT.

 

15. Oliver and Diggle goodbye scene. More Diggle, please, show.

 

16. Felicity and Oliver refusing to say goodbye. And no, I did not sniffle.

 

17. I'm going to have some negative stuff to say about the flashbacks, but that car/truck stunt scene was actually pretty good.

 

18. Apart from the flashbacks, I liked a lot of the setup of this episode - having Thea restored before Felicity went to Oliver, for instance, since Thea had to be rescued before Felicity could try to rescue Oliver.

 

19. And I love it when this show gets so batshit insane that Malcolm Merlyn starts sounding like the reasonable person.

 

Questionable things:

 

1. Who flew the jet?  And when/how did they refuel the jet in order to get back?

 

2. Thea leaping out of the pit like that - I get what they were going for, and that's a difficult shot to wire up well, but the end result was perhaps not as serious as they wanted.

 

3.. Wow, the League of Assassins must be pretty careless with their drugs if Felicity could get some so easily. Then again, I guess their goal is to get people to die.

 

4. Only on Arrow can a morning after scene be set in moonlight.  

 

5. Ra's, it's all very very sad that you didn't get a touching moment with your family way back when, but this is still failing to explain to anyone why you think Oliver is a good fit for the head of the LoA.

 

6. Not sure I can really buy Malcolm Merlyn, who has so far spent the show constructing earthquake machines, mass murdering people, brainwashing his own daughter so he can get an LoA blood debt off his hands, suddenly speaking common sense. Diggle, sure. Felicity, sure.  Even Laurel, sure.  Malcolm?  I mean, yes, that did highlight just how batshit insane Thea's "death" made everyone else, but still.

 

7. And on that note, actually, Oliver, ok, nice excuse to allow you to get Thea out of the hospital accompanied by paramedics, but would it have really hurt you to take Thea over to Star Labs to have Caitlin check her out before trying this LoA thing? I realize they are all busy over there with a time travelling villain, but Cisco had time to fix a sonic device, so, maybe? I can see this is going to be an ongoing problem with both shows.

 

8. Serious question about the fireplaces in Thea's apartment: the fires were burning when Oliver took her to the hospital. And they were still burning when she and Malcolm were back in the apartment. Did Malcolm leave his just resurrected daughter to go light the giant fireplaces in the place, or were they just burning the entire time everyone was in Nanda Parbat? And if the second, how on earth is nothing in that place catching fire?

 

9. Don't kill me, but I thought the Oliver/Felicity goodbye scene was much better and more romantic than the sex scene. WITH THAT SAID:

 

"I can only survive this if I know you're living your life, happily."

 

Oliver, this is all very romantic, but are you not watching your own show?  Felicity JUST TOLD YOU only FOUR EPISODES AGO that in order to be happy, she needs you IN her life, not in Nanda Parbat doing assassin things.  For a broody superhero you are terrible at listening to people.

 

Bad Things:

 

1. I loved all of the stunt stuff in the flashbacks - that car/truck chase was great - and from that viewpoint, I can see why it was there since the present-day timeline was comparatively stunt free, but the editing of the flashback scenes with the rest of this episode felt really off - the emotions didn't match what was going on in the present day at all, either as lessons that Oliver had to learn in the past to help him do whatever it was that he was doing in the present, or explaining how Oliver is who he is now. It felt really jarring, and it didn't help that although I've enjoyed most of the flashbacks, they have felt really disjointed this season - partly because they have been disjointed this season, and separated by other flashbacks. It's a problem, because even when the flashbacks are good, and feature Tatsu being awesome (she is my hands down new favorite character), as they were in this episode, I think they rob the overall episode of a bit of the emotional impact. As here.

 

And now, Laurel:

 

She was barely in this episode, but her expression at the end there: "Whatever. I am so over Oliver like "dying" and this entire show. Let Cisco adore me now." I laughed, but I really don't think that was the expression that she should have been going for, though I guess we can fanwank that at this point, she's seen Oliver die/vanish so many times it just doesn't matter to her anymore. 

[calliope1975]

I couldn't wait for the West Coast feed so I watched it early, ahem. 

 

I enjoyed so much of it, but some of it was too cheesy.

 

Good things - SA was really great across the board. He's come so far since S1. SA/EBR - damn, they have super hot chemistry. These jerks just might have sold me the DVDs based on this ep alone, damn them. Or, at least, I'll buy the ep on iTunes to keep. I was feeling the sexy times (gonna have to rewatch a few thousand times - for science), and the good bye between them. I did laugh at how fast Oliver disrobed. 

 

Diggle's always awesome. I really liked his scene with Maseo and that, while sympathetic, he didn't fall for the my kid died and all I got was a membership in the LOA. 

 

The Eh - I liked the plane scene, but I thought it would be more than that. MN as Ra's. I just can't with this dude. I'm not feeling the gravitas. He's not terrible, but he's not great either.

 

Thea jumping out of the Magic Hot Tub was unintentionally hilarious. I still not here for the redemption of MM. Screw that. He might be free from the League, but he still murdered over 500 people with the intent to murder twice that number. I won't forget that, Show. 

 

If that's all it took to erase Oliver Queen then I have to rethink what I know about Oliver Queen. A branding and some lame words? Then there's a bunch of stupid college guys in frats who've lost their souls as well. 

 

That "really great" scene with Laurel and Felicity was barely a scene.

 

I feel like I'm criticizing it a lot, when I really did like it. I'm totally going to watch it again in 20 minutes here in CA. 

 

Random - there was a stunt guy in the flashback that looked like Jai Courtney. His face kept distracting me. 

[HunterHunted]

Can anyone tell me why Ra's wasn't trying to get Thea to become the next Ra's since she clearly survived his blade, thus fulfilling the prophecy that Oliver allegedly fulfills.

I think the prophecy was about someone Ra's was trying to kill. With Thea, Ra's was trying to mortally wound Thea so that Oliver would come begging for the League's help.

[Chaser]

Felicity hip action on Oliver. Well Damn.

 

I prefer Nyssa to Ra's hands down but I did take some petty pleasure in the fact that Laurel's 'fire' was recognized by the Heir but the Demon saw Felicity's. 

Edited April 23, 2015 by 10Eleven12

[Velocity23]

 

Felicity hip action on Oliver. Well Damn.

You mean this?

[Guest]

In all my Olicity excitement, I forgot to mention how much I loved Oliver and Diggle's goodbye. "You're my brother." MY HEART. It's going to resonate next week with Oliver doing something terrible that affects Diggle and I am not ready. 

 

Also really great was the Diggle/Maseo scene, although I really hope they weren't foreshadowing something terrible happening to baby Sara with Maseo's "you don't know what it's like to hold your dying child in your arms" or whatever he said. I actually went 'oh no!' out loud. DO. NOT. WANT. 

[Password]

Every time I think about the love scene, I break down. Guys I can't handle this though. Excuse me.

[BkWurm1]

Until the last few seconds that they had to slap Laurel in as Felicity's BFF? Really? Laurel is who Felicity runs to cry too. So forced that relationship.

 

Be grateful it was Laurel.  It could have been Ray. 

 

The Olicity farewell (it's not good bye damn it!) scene was done so well. The tears in both their eyes and refusing to say goodbye. When he said something about wanting her to live and be happy, I keep thinking back to 3x16. She needs him in her life to be happy dumbo.

 

This, so much this.

 

Felicity's crazy last ditch plan just reminds me how much she and Oliver are alike.  She HAD to do something even if the chances of success was impossible.  She couldn't do nothing.  It's Oliver dying to break Roy out all over again, only this time, there was no secret plan in play.  They were all blindsided by Thea otherwise I'd think they'd all have packed up and left with Roy. 

[BkWurm1]

Oh and I really did try to count the candles and pillows.  I may have to go back and watch a few more dozen times to get a more exact count but at least twenty pillows (six just on the bed) and over a hundred candles. 

 

I seriously hope the LoA has a damn fine bucket brigade.  

[Jediknight]

Can anyone tell me why Ra's wasn't trying to get Thea to become the next Ra's since she clearly survived his blade, thus fulfilling the prophecy that Oliver allegedly fulfills.  

She needed the Lazarus Pit, Oliver didn't.  There's also the whole respect thing, Ra's knew Oliver was covering for someone and gave up his life for it.  Ra's can respect that.

 

Thankfully they didn't have Team Arrow escape and outsmart the League.  Had that happened that would have stretched my disbelief big time.  I did laugh at Diggle shooting an assassin, because when you're trying to make a quiet escape you always want to shoot people with a gun.

[paigow]

That stupid hug scene should have been Felicity and Diggle. 

Actually, it would have been redundant unless it was them on the plane...Felicity would have been crying on Diggle for the entire 20 minute flight home.... No need for a big emotional scene after they landed.  BTW, Oliver punches Maseo on the rooftop across from the hospital. Felicity gets Ray's plane, Maseo is waiting for them in Nanda Parbat. WTF. If LoA has a jet for Maseo, why not transport everybody?

[Password]

I really thought for a moment he'd run after her when they said goodbye.

I'm so gone. I swear I've never had this feelings overload from an Arrow episode. Tumblr is not helping.

[Chaser]

Tumblr needs the Lazarus Pit. I figure it's safe; Tumblr was crazy to begin with.

[jay741982]

You mean this?

HOLY HELL I didn't realize it damn that hip action lol. They sold that scene the lust the love the passion

[opus]

OK, quickly. Since I assume Nyssa knows about the pit, Thea could use it because she was NEAR death, but Sara couldn't because she WAS dead?

[Guest]

I need gifs of Diggle carrying Oliver around the catacombs because that was almost verging on classic caper territory if the threat hadn't been so real and intense. 

[Password]

So I would be extremely happy to find out Felicity is pregnant with Oliver's baby.

...no? I'll see myself out.

...no seriously I will post about something other than Olicity in maybe, 3 or 4 weeks.

[Chaser]

Felicity called Malcolm Ra's Stooge and then ordered him around. Felicity made Malcolm her Stooge. LOL

[catrox14]

I am with you about an Arrowlet

[KirkB]

Actually, it would have been redundant unless it was them on the plane...Felicity would have been crying on Diggle for the entire 20 minute flight home.... No need for a big emotional scene after they landed.  BTW, Oliver punches Maseo on the rooftop across from the hospital. Felicity gets Ray's plane, Maseo is waiting for them in Nanda Parbat. WTF. If LoA has a jet for Maseo, why not transport everybody?

 

 

I was just coming here to say something like this. I don't get why people are so bothered by the Felicity/Laurel scene. I mean, I hate Laurel too, but she is a part of the show and needed to know what happened to Oliver. Let's face it, except for Ray she is the only Mask left in Starling, depressing as that is. If you want to get upset by "why wasn't it Diggle?" then ask why we didn't see any of their plane ride home.

 

Speaking of, I'm honestly starting to think the LoA have some magical transportation. Ra's and Maseo and Nyssa can get back and forth between Nanda Parbat and Starling in a ridiculously short amount of time. Oliver and company have to make an effort and it apparently takes a long time.

[calliope1975]

So I would be extremely happy to find out Felicity is pregnant with Oliver's baby.

...no? I'll see myself out.

...no seriously I will post about something other than Olicity in maybe, 3 or 4 weeks.

 

I don't want to see that in show, yet, but that's what fanfic is for! 

[paigow]

So I would be extremely happy to find out Felicity is pregnant with Oliver's baby.

Said baby would undeniably be Demon Spawn!

Flash forward 10 years.....

Spawn: Mommy, is RayRay my Daddy?

Felicity: No... RayRay is my husband, but not your daddy...that's our little secret!

[benteen]

I forgot to mention but I loved the Diggle/Maseo scene.  Fantastic scene for the Diggle character and David Ramsay nailed it.  Karl Yune was pretty damn good in it too.

[MzLiz]

Well now I'm really depressed. 

 

The good:

 

SA killed it this episode (he always does though). He's such an amazing actor. When he broke down in the hospital, I nearly burst into tears myself. I've always loved Oliver. 

 

Ollie/Felicity scenes, such tenderness. Awww. They truly love each other and they spark so well, even in regular conversation. The sex scene was awesome, though with all those candles, I hope they filmed the scene in a refrigerator because it had to be hot and not in a good way. 

 

Felicity slipping Oliver a mickey afterward. I did not see that coming and LOVED IT. She's my hero, really. Loved that Oliver loved her all the more for it. 

 

The Bad:

 

I am not at all liking how much Oliver is becoming a victim with no control over his life. If something unrelated to the league happened to Thea and he sold his soul to save her that's one thing. But....Thea was hurt by Ra's. As far as I'm concerned Oliver doesn't owe him a f***ing thing. Ra's attacked his family. He should have let them save Thea and then either killed Ra's or died trying, I would have respected that. Oliver's turned into nothing but a pawn in someone else's game and he's allowing it. I'm not impressed at all. 

 

If Oliver is taking Ra's place then WHY is Ra's still there and calling the shots. Sounds like Oliver's the next puppet not leader. 

 

Other Thoughts:

 

Calliope1975: If that's all it took to erase Oliver Queen then I have to rethink what I know about Oliver Queen. A branding and some lame words? Then there's a bunch of stupid college guys in frats who've lost their souls as well.

 

No Kidding. LOL

 

This has been my favorite show from day one. Parts still draw me in as AM, EBR, DR are phenomenal actors who always draw you in, but where the story is going is just not working for me. He's supposed to be Oliver Queen, billionaire who is the Green Arrow who fights for his city and his people. Right now, he is none of those things and I'm not sure if he ever will be again. 

 

If next season's big bad is Oliver, I will be even more depressed. 

[La Dee Da]

Gah, this episode!  I'm on a rewatch but I'm not making it too far because there are too many scenes to go back and watch/scrutinize!  Great work by everyone - the looks on SA's stupidly beautiful little face get me every time.  I can see why he liked the jet scene - there was a lot to do, from an actorly perspective, and it spoke to the trust and bond between Oliver and Felicity.  I loved the romance in the big scene (okay, and how that romance was demonstrated) and in the good-bye scene as well. 

 

I am not gonna lie, I laughed when I realized Felicity drugged him.  

My first reaction during the drugging scene was to laugh, and the second was to think ''soooooo, no round two, then?''  I hope Felicity keeps this level of resolve for the rest of the season.

 

Also, I appreciated that the LOA hotel staff left a Felicity-size robe in Oliver's room - their attention to the romantic details is top notch! 

 

The Diggle/Maseo scene made me seriously worried for baby Sara. Really hoping the show won't go that far. 

The influence Diggle had on Maseo and his decision to help Team Arrow was great, but I did not care for the massive foreshadowing of bad things to come for him.

 

 

"I can only survive this if I know you're living your life, happily."

 

Oliver, this is all very romantic, but are you not watching your own show?  Felicity JUST TOLD YOU only FOUR EPISODES AGO that in order to be happy, she needs you IN her life, not in Nanda Parbat doing assassin things.  For a broody superhero you are terrible at listening to people.

This is the good kind of foreshadowing!  She can't do what he's asked her to do without getting him back, after all.

 

[gpgurl50]

I feel like everything that needs to be said mostly has been said.

 

I think Ra's smiled about the branding just because Ollie finally stopped resisting.  I thought Ra's sparing Maseo was weird.  The fact that Ollie said he was joining to keep his loved ones safe (and Maseo was his friend) coupled with Maseo helping with Ollie's transition makes me think that Ollie is going to have to kill Maseo to complete the transition.

 

Also, when Malcolm said he would make up for everything and Thea said that was impossible, I felt she was completely right!  His big defense was "I'm going to stay with you now."  Wasn't that what was happening when this season started?  He's going to make up for things by just doing what he was doing before he got her to murder a friend, possibly fractured her soul and sent her brother away forever?  Even though Thea seems like her old self, I wonder if she will be a killer now or something.  For Malcolm to get everything he wanted in the end, there has to be a consequence even if I don't want Ollie's sacrifice to be for nothing.  Brother/sister assassin time?

Edited April 23, 2015 by gpgurl50

[paigow]

Oh and I really did try to count the candles and pillows.  I may have to go back and watch a few more dozen times to get a more exact count but at least twenty pillows (six just on the bed) and over a hundred candles. 

Good to know that Nanda Parbat has a healthy sweatshop industry, cranking out a wide variety of home furnishings & accessories, weaponry and studded clothing.

All the more impressive since electricity seems to be non-existent. 

[dtissagirl]

I hope the pattern of drugging Oliver every time he wants to do something dumb continues FOR YEARS. It worked for me last season, and it worked for me this season too, even if it didn't work for HIM.