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S01.E08: Chapter Eight


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A music producer contacts Xo about recording a demo, but Xo's unaware that Rogelio is behind this. Meanwhile, Jane and Rafael share surprising secrets with one another; Michael comes close to solving his case; and Petra won't make things easy for Rafael.
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The good news for you, if there is any good news out of not having JtV airing, is that there is no new episode on Monday.  I don't even think there's a rerun airing on Monday.  The eight episode airs 12/8 and the 'winter finale' airs the 15th. 

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I felt like I was on a rollercoaster during this episode.  I'm glad though.  I feel like a lot happened in the hour.  Jane finally told Rafael about her being a virgin and more importantly her decision to stay a virgin and although he reacted somewhat badly, I'm glad that he came around in the end. 

 

I'm glad the lawsuit is over but I feel so bad for Louisa.  Jeez Louise.  She finally got her life back on track and her former love really stabbed her in the back.  It's one thing to break off the affair but to actually make her seem crazy enough to be committed seemed a bit much.

 

I'm happy that Rogelio and Xo are a little close to getting back together, I like that Rogelio does what he can to make Xo's dream come true.

 

I'm looking forward to the next episode but the narrator was so doom and gloom, I'm a little apprehensive.

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Luisa's back, only to be committed. Eventually, it will be revealed that she was telling the truth. At the rate this show goes, it will be 2-3 episodes from now!

 

I'm surprised and glad that they cleared up Jane catching Rafael in bed with someone else, in maybe half an episode. When's Rafael going to mention to Jane that he and Petra lost a pregnancy, before?

 

Pretty sure Nadine has some sort of ulterior motive, with respect to the investigation. Michael sleeping with her was a really bad idea that will probably come back to bite him.

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This episode was up and down and left and right... It was awesome!

Petra and Lochlan are such sleeze ball scammers... They are playing each other like fiddles. Rafael's father is sooooooooo naive... And poor Luisa... I felt terrible for her. Rose really screwed her.

Jane and Rafael... It went from being adorable to being so uncomfortable to being cringe worthy to being so so so bad to being oh my gosh so cute and so adorable again... I loved the roller coaster. It makes it more realistic (as much as this whole thing can seem real lol)

Rogelio... The character bugged me in the beginning of the season but now I love him. The rattling of the dishes and of the door when Xo was with Marco... Lol they are just too cute together.

Abuela's situation was a bit of a surprise, and I really liked that Jane dropped the suit for her. It was tied up nicely with Rafael not revealing he had put up his shares of the hotel to help his sister out... Loved that neat little bow being tied.

Sin Rostro, Michael, Nadine... It all seems so very shady... Something's not right but I don't know what it is.

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This investigation that Michael is working on needs to pick up.  It's super boring.  Who was the man in the crate?  Did I miss that or did they just not disclose that information?

 

I'm glad the lawsuit is over but I feel so bad for Louisa.  Jeez Louise.  She finally got her life back on track and her former love really stabbed her in the back.  It's one thing to break off the affair but to actually make her seem crazy enough to be committed seemed a bit much.

 

I think that if Luisa hadn't said that she was going to admit their affair to her father, what's her face would have stayed quiet.  I may have done the same thing, especially since it may have come off as a threat (either leave him for me or I'll tell him what we did).

 

Jaime Camil continues to be a delight.  I am thrilled whenever he invades Xo's personal space because it's the perfect mix of arrogance (of course she doesn't mind being this close to me -- I am Rogelio!) and vulnerability, because he's that into her.  I looked him up on some Portuguese talk show to see how he was in real life.  Even though I only understood about 2% of what was going on, I could still tell that he was a normal guy.  Charismatic, handsome, but normal.  Which makes me love how he plays Rogelio all the more.  Speaking of which, Rogelio has a Twitter account (not to be confused with Jaime's Twitter account).

 

But back to this episode, when Rogelio was slamming those dishes and rattling that screen, all while staring with his modified Blue Steel, it tickled me.

 

Still a fan of Jane and Rafael.  He's just so pretty and he has such warmth and adoration in his eyes when he looks at/talks to Jane.  It was there even when he knocked back that scotch and replied with his smart-ass "I'm reacting.  Let me react."

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This investigation that Michael is working on needs to pick up.  It's super boring.  Who was the man in the crate?  Did I miss that or did they just not disclose that information?

They said that he is a Serbian war criminal.
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This was the first time I felt like the previouslies were too much, and it really made me tired to have to have the narrator keep stopping the action to explain. i realize it's a convoluted show and probably it wasn't a bad idea to remind people, but still-- annoying.

 

It's hard for me to be sympathetic to Rose's fear of being outed, because first of all-- she's a lying cheater who married for gold-diggy reasons, so generally not in a defendable position. At the same time, Luisa was also lying for a long time, and sleeping with your father's wife is never an easy position to defend either! Still, I take Luisa's side per honesty being better, so if I have to choose a side, she wins. And locking her up is definitely a very bad way to go, especially when she's actually trying to come clean-- again, indefensible for Rose to destroy her in that way. But I don't like Luisa, and I'm also pretty sure that if her father knew the truth it would still have ended badly for her, because he wasn't going to take the news in a cheery way. Even on an average day, he's not very gentle. And this is the sort of news that would push even most people of average temper into the red zone. Also, even if Jane dropped the lawsuit, she would have to answer in some way for the malpractice, right? If nothing else, she'd have her license in question, I'd imagine (or she should). There has to be some kind of review board, even if no court action. I know that exists for other professions.

 

I agree that Michael's plot is boring right now. It shouldn't be, but it kind of is. I hope they fix that quickly.

 

I'm also getting bored with Petra. Enough machinations. Let's see some of what is driving her fear, not just her greed.

 

Basically, I want some reveals now, not just more dancing back and forth tormenting Our Heroes, but give us some at least minor revelations.

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I had to sleep on it to realize how pissed I am that Jane dropped the lawsuit for Alba. Just based on the stuff Jane knows about, there is a decent chance that Solanos, not including Rafael, would conspire to make sure that the child never gets child support. Most states bar seeking child support from sperm donors, so medical malpractice is basically the only way to guarantee that child has money for the future. I know this is a telenovela, but last week Rafael's father promptly fired Rafael and cut him out of the business when he found out about the hotel shares. There was no discussion of paying Jane off. These are cold people and Jane is not looking out for the future of her child.

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So glad Louisa is back. Sad that's it's only to see her dragged off to the nut house!

 

I loved the part where she says she had a epiphany about her addiction while tripping. There has to be someone in the writer's room who has dealt with an addict.

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So I assume he's connected to the pampered hostage?

They said he "might" be a Serbian war criminal. I think it's safe to assume he might be connected to Petra's hostage, but who knows at this point? LOL

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"I believe in you almost as much as I believe in myself." Rogelio, you are truly inspiring. Never change.

I love how fast this show moves. I would have thought a recovering player like Rafael would have seen right through the obvious setup in the bar. It's a classic telenovela trope, the drugging and compromising scene, but I LOVED that the escort went right to Jane and confessed. More typically, the misunderstanding would have been dragged out for thirty episodes. Although you'd think at some point Jane should have wondered why she was specifically requested for room service for an escort who was notably NOT some middle-aged creeper man who was attached to her, and certainly Rafa wasn't the one who called. But she didn't even have to get to the point of wondering.

I love Rafael. I think he is a master of the sultry charm. I wonder if he might try to help Alba with the immigration stuff now that he knows she's undocumented. She's sort of elderly and her daughter and granddaughter are both U.S. citizens. Wouldn't that help? There are SO MANY plotlines and themes this show has set up to explore, I think it could easily go on for years even after the "virgin" part no longer applies and even though it burns through plot like a raging California wildfire.

I think Nadine is sabotaging the investigation. I wonder if that guy is really a Serbian war criminal, or if that's meant to be distracting misinformation.

Can't believe Xiomara dumped Marco. Can I have him?

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Oh, and other plot point: Petra has revealed that the hotel has private recovery suites for plastic surgery patients. If that doesn't say "hideout for criminals", I don't know what does. Does Michael know about this?

 

Even the baddies are so much fun to watch. I liked Petra having to be the chambermaid while her prisoner gorged on lobster.

 

Petra's reasonably smart and quite assertive. If she applied herself to an actual career half as hard as she commits to hooking up with men for money, she'd probably be pretty successful and have money of her own. I wonder what she was doing before she got together with Rafael, aside from being engaged to Lachlan. Why was she at that board meeting?

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I loved the barely perceptible spark when Rogelio kissed Xo on the cheek. If you blinked, you missed it.

 

This show has mastered the art of getting people to JUST WATCH and not play on their iPads or laptops while occasionally looking up. Between the subtitles, the pop-up jokes and little touches like that spark, if you're doing something else you're not getting the full JtV experience.

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I'm surprised that they haven't shown Jane having any side effects of the pregnancy yet. No morning sickness, moodiness, cravings or weight gain yet. When will we start to see that the baby is REAL?

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I thought when Jane was delivering the mojitos it was going to be to Rogelio.

 

I don't like Raphael as much as other people do. I think Jane's too good for him or anyone.

I really don't like Rose. At all. I thought she and Luisa had great chemistry, but she's awful. There's nothing redeeming about her that we know of. I was disappointed Jane dropped her lawsuit and the reasons she did. 

 

As for Nadine, I hope she's on the up and up. It's Michael who seems more shady with his brother and his helping Petra, which will probably come back to haunt him.

 

My guess is

the man in the crate is the person Petra to whom she owes money, Milos. (If it is Milos, he tried to keep that crate neat, but living there so messy, so so messy.) I have no idea if I'm right or how Milos connects with Sin Rostro.

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Plot twist: Sin Rostro is Zaz. He faked his own death to evade suspicion. The dead guy is really his lookalike brother.

So Rafael's mother also had a "mental breakdown"? I would guess that Daddy-O set her up the same way Rose screwed over Luisa. But why?

I seem to be in the minority, but I didn't think Rafael's reaction to finding out Jane is a virgin was that bad. He was stunned, for sure, and not terribly smooth about it. But that was it. He didn't dump her or try to persuade her into bed or make fun of her. Really, I think the worst it says about him is that he isn't very intelligent not to have wondered about it before. Did he not think it odd that everyone was so sure the baby was his and not Michael's?

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I had to sleep on it to realize how pissed I am that Jane dropped the lawsuit for Alba. Just based on the stuff Jane knows about, there is a decent chance that Solanos, not including Rafael, would conspire to make sure that the child never gets child support. Most states bar seeking child support from sperm donors, so medical malpractice is basically the only way to guarantee that child has money for the future.

Jane did tell Rafael that he has to give her his promise of financial support for the child in writing. So even though she dropped the lawsuit, she is still making sure he is taking care of their baby. They might even set up an account so she has access to all the money she'll need before the baby is even born. He could probably afford that. And I did understand that Jane doesn't want her child to have the stigma of her having gone into court and stated on the record that the child is unwanted. That is against her nature. This way, she can get what she needs from Rafael (assuming there are no major plot twists that leave him penniless or held hostage on a deserted island or something, which is kind of a big assumption) without putting that wrench in her relationship with the child she has now decided not to give away never to be seen by her again.

 

Regardless, that child is never going to starve. Its grandfather is an international superstar :).

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I seem to be in the minority, but I didn't think Rafael's reaction to finding out Jane is a virgin was that bad. He was stunned, for sure, and not terribly smooth about it. But that was it. He didn't dump her or try to persuade her into bed or make fun of her. Really, I think the worst it says about him is that he isn't very intelligent not to have wondered about it before. Did he not think it odd that everyone was so sure the baby was his and not Michael's?

 

I agree with you. What was he supposed to do - stand up and cheer? She thought he would react badly, which is why she didn't want to tell him. He was surprised, and what she told him is going to completely change their relationship as he had pictured it. I don't consider his reaction to be all that negative, but that was the best negative reaction he could have possibly had. The narrator made a point of saying that Michael hadn't reacted that way, but that was two years ago and before she'd been engaged to anyone.

 

What Rose did to Luisa was cruel, but I don't blame her for doing it. Luisa had no right to make a one-sided decision to blow up her family like that. The relationship was over, and they both regretted it. At best her father would have been devastated at having been betrayed by the two most important women in his life. Given what little we seen of him, the dad seems like a nasty guy, so if I were Rose, I'd be worried about my safety if he found out.

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I'm surprised that they haven't shown Jane having any side effects of the pregnancy yet. No morning sickness, moodiness, cravings or weight gain yet. When will we start to see that the baby is REAL?

She just has a tiny baby bump. It's like they're bending over backward to NOT give her Crazy Pregnant Lady syndrome. In the TV Tropes thread a few weeks back, I mentioned how much I hate this syndrome. Pregnant women on TV are always vomiting, or being crazily hormonal, or craving stupid food. And it's really silly -- it reduces the woman to nothing but her pregnancy. So on the one hand I'm glad they're not giving Jane any Crazy Pregnant Lady symptoms -- BUT on the other hand, it would be a little realistic if they showed her having morning sickness, like, once.

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I seem to be in the minority, but I didn't think Rafael's reaction to finding out Jane is a virgin was that bad. He was stunned, for sure, and not terribly smooth about it. But that was it. He didn't dump her or try to persuade her into bed or make fun of her. Really, I think the worst it says about him is that he isn't very intelligent not to have wondered about it before. Did he not think it odd that everyone was so sure the baby was his and not Michael's?

 

I agree with this...Jane's 23 and this is 2014 so he was probably expecting that she would have been like a lot of the girls he was used to dating. I'm not surprised that he was surprised because she had numerous opportunities to tell him and she chose not to (what on earth did they talk about on that all night date?) and she did get quite hot and heavy with him a few times. She seemed physically comfortable enough with him where he was ready to suggest sex, so he needed some time to process it, and I thought he was pretty cool about it when it did sink in. I did love the scene where she told him, though...Gina Rodriguez is HILARIOUS in the simplest ways. Her expression and deadpan voice were gold. She's just fabulous.

 

This investigation that Michael is working on needs to pick up.  It's super boring.

 

This being a soap opera, I'm expecting that at any moment, Michael (probably aided by Petra and Lachlan) is going to frame Rafael for Sin Rostro's crimes . I'm predicting that at some point the investigation will be on the verge of blowing up in his face and in a last ditch attempt to save face (and to break up Raf and Jane) he'll haul Rafael off in handcuffs,  (and this being a telenovela, it will probably be right as Rafael and Jane are exchanging wedding vows in the season finale). Hell, Raf's dad might even help Michael frame him...he doesn't seem to have much love for his son and if it'll be beneficial to have Rafael carted away, I can see that guy doing it. But I predict Michael's storyline and Jane's storyline are going to merge sooner rather than later.

 

It amuses me that Petra now 'despises' Rafael for 'stealing her' from Lachlan, as if she didn't very well make the CHOICE to end their engagement... as if she were a mere object snatched from Lachlan's gym locker like a pencil or a shoe.

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 Most states bar seeking child support from sperm donors, so medical malpractice is basically the only way to guarantee that child has money for the future.

Rafael isn't a sperm donor, though. I would imagine serm donors and recipients of donor sperm are made to sign forms severing rights between the donor and the child.  The reason the sperm exists is for Rafael to have a child.  If Petra had gotten pregnant and then he decided he didn't want to be married to her, he'd still be on the hook for child support. 

 

Besides, a lawsuit isn't the only way to go.  Jane is going to teach.  She can support her child.  Even if Rafael loses his job, he has the right experience and charm to parlay that into another job.  So while the child may not be as rich as it could be should things go wrong, I think both of them are competent enough to provide.

 

I wonder if he might try to help Alba with the immigration stuff now that he knows she's undocumented. She's sort of elderly and her daughter and granddaughter are both U.S. citizens. Wouldn't that help?

I'm surprised she hasn't already applied for amnesty.  I'm not up-to-date on immigration law but haven't the past few presidents all offered amnesty, at one time or another, to illegal residents who have children/grandchildren who are citizens?

 

So Rafael's mother also had a "mental breakdown"? I would guess that Daddy-O set her up the same way Rose screwed over Luisa. But why?

I believe Rafael and Luisa share a father but not a mother.  Luisa's mother had a breakdown. We still don't know about Rafael's mother.

 

I don't consider his reaction to be all that negative, but that was the best negative reaction he could have possibly had. The narrator made a point of saying that Michael hadn't reacted that way, but that was two years ago and before she'd been engaged to anyone.

I didn't think it was that negative either.  They both had been having very sexual fantasies but only Jane knew she wasn't going to act on it.  Another factor from two years ago is that Jane wasn't pregnant.  It's also not like Jane hadn't considered changing her status.  The main reason she hadn't was probably more about Rafael than it was about her promise to her grandmother.

 

What Rose did to Luisa was cruel, but I don't blame her for doing it. Luisa had no right to make a one-sided decision to blow up her family like that. The relationship was over, and they both regretted it. At best her father would have been devastated at having been betrayed by the two most important women in his life.

Normally, I agree that there is no good out of truth telling when it comes to big secrets that will only damage but Luisa had every right to share her truth.  I think her father would have gotten over it...as far as she's concerned.  Rose would have been out on her keister but she probably will be any way given how the father goes through wives.

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I think Rafael's reaction was really pretty reasonable, given the circumstances. It wasn't just that Jane is a virgin. It's also that apparently EVERYONE ELSE already knew. Random strangers were sending her free food because she's a minor celebrity based on the fact. Yet her boyfriend, the father of her baby, her soulmate with whom she's had many deep long conversations, who thought they shared things and that he knew her pretty well, HE didn't know? Never once in their bonding sessions did she feel inclined to mention how weird it is that she's a virgin but pregnant? She didn't share any of the crazy stuff that was going on at school or with the website? I can see why he'd be taken aback by realizing that.

And she was also lying a bit when she claimed she still intended to wait until marriage. She had decided that since she was pregnant anyway, her reason for waiting was null and void, so she was going to go for it. Then things went sideways with Michael so she didn't. Not that she couldn't have changed her mind again, but she isn't as committed to that plan as she let Rafael think. Though I don't blame her for saying it to see how he'd take it.

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I believe Rafael and Luisa share a father but not a mother.  Luisa's mother had a breakdown. We still don't know about Rafael's mother.

 

This jumped out at me. Is it possible Jane's grandmother is Rafael's mother? Ewww, I know. But I do not know how crazy telenovas get. I noticed Abul had a larger role last night and wondered why...

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Plot twist: Sin Rostro is Zaz. He faked his own death to evade suspicion. The dead guy is really his lookalike brother.

That would be pretty darn awesome. And freaky if it happens!

She just has a tiny baby bump. It's like they're bending over backward to NOT give her Crazy Pregnant Lady syndrome. In the TV Tropes thread a few weeks back, I mentioned how much I hate this syndrome. Pregnant women on TV are always vomiting, or being crazily hormonal, or craving stupid food. And it's really silly -- it reduces the woman to nothing but her pregnancy. So on the one hand I'm glad they're not giving Jane any Crazy Pregnant Lady symptoms -- BUT on the other hand, it would be a little realistic if they showed her having morning sickness, like, once.

I loved the way Rafael noticed her bump. :)

 

They are mentioning the weird things pregnancy do to a woman's body, but pretty subtly; the Target shopping spree with Rafael where she buys all kinds of junk food because she has cravings is an example. I also have found Jane to be a tad more edgy in the last episode. Hormones, or just the product of being in a crazy world right now? I don't know.

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Are we supposed to be noticing Rafael's drinking? He finds out Jane's a virgin, chugs his drink, and orders another. Then he heads to the bar for another drink (where the escort was waiting for him...is the bar maybe a little too much of a routine for him?).

Ordinarily I wouldn't think this is significant, but his sister is an alcoholic so I wonder if maybe he shouldn't be a little more careful and maybe not use alcohol as his only coping strategy. Is he heading for a drinking problem?

But maybe I only noticed because I think it's a teensy rude to drink like that in front of a pregnant woman who can't do the same even though she's at least as stressed out, if not more.

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Normally, I agree that there is no good out of truth telling when it comes to big secrets that will only damage but Luisa had every right to share her truth.  I think her father would have gotten over it...as far as she's concerned.  Rose would have been out on her keister but she probably will be any way given how the father goes through wives.

Thus...making Rose's evil plot make even more sense.

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One sort of minor inconsistency with Rose's story to get Luisa committed. In the Pilot, we were told Luisa was married to a woman. Presumably, the family knows of her sexual orientation. Yet when they react about her "making up stories" about Rose, it's almost done in a "gay panic" kind of way. I realize Rose is hiding her sexual feelings/true sexual orientation, but Luisa "fantasizing" about an affair with a beautiful woman wouldn't exactly be disturbing, since her family knows she's a lesbian?

 

I felt like the family's reaction was more centered on the "with Rose" part -- like that was more disturbing than the "made-up" affair. To put it another way: if I start claiming I'm having an affair with Brad Pitt, my family is going to question my sanity because the affair isn't real. But they aren't going to be like "Why would you ever want to have an affair with Brad Pitt?"

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If Brad Pitt were your stepdad, they might. Presumably Rose married their dad after Luisa and Raf were adults, but it's still a weird thing because of that, and that was how I read their reactions.

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One sort of minor inconsistency with Rose's story to get Luisa committed. In the Pilot, we were told Luisa was married to a woman. Presumably, the family knows of her sexual orientation. Yet when they react about her "making up stories" about Rose, it's almost done in a "gay panic" kind of way. I realize Rose is hiding her sexual feelings/true sexual orientation, but Luisa "fantasizing" about an affair with a beautiful woman wouldn't exactly be disturbing, since her family knows she's a lesbian?

 

I felt like the family's reaction was more centered on the "with Rose" part -- like that was more disturbing than the "made-up" affair. To put it another way: if I start claiming I'm having an affair with Brad Pitt, my family is going to question my sanity because the affair isn't real. But they aren't going to be like "Why would you ever want to have an affair with Brad Pitt?"

I didn't see anything about it as "gay panic".  They thought that Luisa was imagining a relationship with her stepmother -- which there is apparently a family history of.

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Really, I think the worst it says about him is that he isn't very intelligent not to have wondered about it before. Did he not think it odd that everyone was so sure the baby was his and not Michael's?

I had assumed all along he knew Jane was a virgin -- otherwise, he would have insisted on a paternity test, because if Jane had been sleeping with her boyfriend, it was far more likely the baby was Michael's.  And the other reason to ask for a paternity test would be that it would eliminate the lawsuit if the baby was not the result of artificial insemination, and the lawyer (who represents the sister, not Rafael) would insist on knowing paternity, even if Rafael wanted to believe it was his baby.  So, I'd expect the virginity to be a stipulation in the lawsuit.  But hey, I'm willing to buy into the fantasy of the telenovella! 

 

And given that there were several references to Luisa's "wife" in the early episodes -- surely she has some kind of separation or divorce proceeding happening on that front, also? 

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And given that there were several references to Luisa's "wife" in the early episodes -- surely she has some kind of separation or divorce proceeding happening on that front, also? 

Technically speaking, Luisa and [wife] only became recognized as wife and wife under Florida law twelve days ago (though they may be legally married in some other state/with respect to the federal government).  But in any event, I expect Luisa's life has become such a mess that she hasn't given much thought to that.

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Aww, Jane and Rafael are so sweet, but again, still not sure if I want them to be my endgame couple. I liked Rafael's reaction to Jane being a virgin. He needed some "time to react", as Jane said, and then he was fine. I think Jane's insistence that people react in the way that she wants them to, and her getting pissed when they don't, is bugging me. She's done it with Michael (deserving or not) and she also just did it with Rafael. It's not like he got angry at her, because that would be unjustified. 

 

Poor Luisa; she now has people thinking that she's crazy, all because Rose is too into the money to admit she's not straight and has had an affair with Luisa. Though her attacking Rose while calling her a liar...didn't exactly help her case there.

 

I agree that they need to speed through this Sin Rostro case, like they've been doing with a lot of other plotlines. I need to find something to engage me, because I like Michael. Though....surprisingly, I was ok with the few minutes of Michael that we did see. 

 

Xo and Rogelio are adorable and I'm liking the more slow burn with these two.

 

Ah, so Jane now has a baby bump! And...besides the hormones talk from episode 2 and the baby talk, I haven't seen Jane's pregnancy getting major focus. It's...kind of refreshing, actually. No overload of pregnancy symptoms, so it makes the show run smoother. 

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