S07.E05: Friend Or Faux

[Tara Ariano]

Claudia adapts to her new life in Atlanta and divulges information about her family history. Meanwhile, Kandi sets out to put her house on the market, and Kandi hopes to bring the ladies together with a dinner, but dramas spill over.

[cooksdelight]

Nene is not funny anymore. Not entertaining. At all. For REEE-ul.

Red Solo cups on the floor!!! Paging Sheree!

Kandi, hire an attorney and sue the boyfriend for stealing all of your expensive bathtubs and toilets. Girl, grow a brain cell, and stop with these get-togethers if you don't want to "bring no drama."

[ToukieSmith]

Why is Nene so loud?  Does she not have an inside voice?

 

I love Claudia's show condo.  IMO, Porsha and Kenya should have something similar so they can be closer to the action.

 

 

Kandi, hire an attorney and sue the boyfriend for stealing all of your expensive bathtubs and toilets

This may upset her mother so she is just going to bitch at Todd about it.  Honestly, if she doesn't care, then I cannot be bothered.  Her old house is beautiful and its sad that her mother allowed it to be mistreated.

Edited December 8, 2014 by ToukieSmith

[ShadowSixx]

Nene is just an irritating slab of shit. I agree she's not funny at all. Not giving Cynthia much time to talk and had a feeling it all started at the benefit that Kenya had for Nene. Nene got onto Peter when Peter wasn't even talking to her, then calls him a bitch, and goes on WWHL and says how Cynthia needs to be fired and replaced and blows wherever the wind takes her and Cynthia told her that she was done with her at the reunion as she felt the friendship couldn't be saved while Nene just sat there looking like a big ol' pepto bismol w/fraggle rock hair, rolling her eyes. Nene is looking too damn drag queen lately.

 

Fakedra is just too petty at least Kenya apologized to her while Fakedra couldn't find it in her to apologize for being wrong what happened between Kenya and Apollo. Grow up Phaedra and that judgmental, hypocritical prayer to God, didn't make her look good at all in the slightest.

 

I agree Kandi needs to take Joyce's bf to court and have him pay for the damages, be damn if I let it go. Why the hell should I shell out money to get it fixed. Hell to the naw. Either Joyce fix it or her bf fix and pay for the damages. Kandi should cuss Joyce out for allowing him to mess up the house like that. Yet Joyce wants to talk all that shit about Todd, GTFO Joyce. Kandi is just stupid for saying she's going to let it go and fix it herself. Really???

[missy jo]

Why can't any of these women speak anything approximating proper English? No amount of designer shoes and purses and bragging about their lifestyles can make them seem classy when they can't even master basic grammar and vocabulary.

Edited December 8, 2014 by missy jo

[cooksdelight]

For me, the rift between Nene and Cynthia started in Savannah when she said something about Cynthia's daughter twerking at the mall. That really upset Cynthia, and it was uncalled for by Nene. I really wished it had been mentioned during this conversation.

[FlyingEgret]

Although MJ and/or her boyfriend should be responsible for fixing or paying to fix what they did to that house, I wouldn't trust them within 5 feet of the house - they'd probably install inferior products and Kandi would have to redo everything anyway. It certainly looks like they were conducting some sort of treasure hunt in that house. Wonder what they found - and what they will do to the new house that Kandi just bought...

Edited December 8, 2014 by FlyingEgret

[ShadowSixx]

What I think Kandi can do is get the estimate from people she trust and wants to do business with and send Joyce and her bf the estimate/bill to pay for instead of having Joyce and her bf find people to fix it. 

[cooksdelight]

If the house is in Kandi's name, as she sort of hinted about (which was why MJ didn't want to stay there), she can close it up and have the problems fixed, and haul the BF's ass into court to pay the damages. It's all documented on film now.

[hoosier80]

Nene would be exhausting to have as a friend, almost like what the mother in Beaches said to the Bette Midler character.  Just too much.  All about her 24/7.   I know she gave me a headache tonight (just after I thought I'd gotten rid of it).  I agree she's looking more drag queen; she needs a real stylist pronto.

 

I think Nene kept on with little snide comments, her version of telling the truth or helping, and it just hit way too many times with Cynthia.  The comment regarding Cynthia's daughter, the comment about Peter, and Nene's exploding ego were all probably contributory factors.  

 

Kandi won't do a thing about MJ's boyfriend tearing up her house.  Any reasonable person would be suing the bf for damages, but that might upset MJ, so Kandi will sweep that under the rug.  She even said she just laughs off stuff like that.  She needs to be going to counselling and not the stuff just for the show.

 

Phaedra showed herself tonight.  Just be gracious and apologize.  Any real southern lady/belle would just do so.

[Chicklet]

Kandi has lost what little respect I had for her. What does MJ have to do to inspire Kandi to set limits, stab her in the gut? I'd get a restraining order on the witch, tell her no way in hell would I buy her a house and kick her out. Ok maybe my own mother issues are triggered here but hell's bell's that woman is odious.

Nene is phoning it all in now that she's a big star on Broadway and we have to watch her teenager practice driving.

[WireWrap]

Nene is just an irritating slab of shit. I agree she's not funny at all. Not giving Cynthia much time to talk and had a feeling it all started at the benefit that Kenya had for Nene. Nene got onto Peter when Peter wasn't even talking to her, then calls him a bitch, and goes on WWHL and says how Cynthia needs to be fired and replaced and blows wherever the wind takes her and Cynthia told her that she was done with her at the reunion as she felt the friendship couldn't be saved while Nene just sat there looking like a big ol' pepto bismol w/fraggle rock hair, rolling her eyes. Nene is looking too damn drag queen lately.

 

Fakedra is just too petty at least Kenya apologized to her while Fakedra couldn't find it in her to apologize for being wrong what happened between Kenya and Apollo. Grow up Phaedra and that judgmental, hypocritical prayer to God, didn't make her look good at all in the slightest.

 

I agree Kandi needs to take Joyce's bf to court and have him pay for the damages, be damn if I let it go. Why the hell should I shell out money to get it fixed. Hell to the naw. Either Joyce fix it or her bf fix and pay for the damages. Kandi should cuss Joyce out for allowing him to mess up the house like that. Yet Joyce wants to talk all that shit about Todd, GTFO Joyce. Kandi is just stupid for saying she's going to let it go and fix it herself. Really???

The WWHL interview between Nene and Andy, when she slammed Cynthia, was filmed after the reunion was filmed. Cynthia had already slammed Nene on camera at the reunion. 

 

Kenya did not apologize to Phaedra, I have never heard her say "I am sorry I did/said _______" to Phaedra. What I heard Kenya say is "I apologize but you started it by saying, alcoholic/bipolar/ect" which is not an apology IMO. They all seem to do this "justification" routine/dance when they get called out for their own bad behavior, Kenya is no exception to that.

 

What I think Kandi can do is get the estimate from people she trust and wants to do business with and send Joyce and her bf the estimate/bill to pay for instead of having Joyce and her bf find people to fix it. 

Kandi would have to sue her mother, not just the bf. The bf acted/did what Joyce told him to do. Kandi will never sue Joyce even though she should.

[charming]

I can't muster up any sympathy for Kenya and her crocodile tears. I would love for Phaedra to just give her the apology because then Kenya would have to find something else to talk about.

 

I can't get into the Claudia and Kenya "friendship" either. Nor the "I'm angry because my Mom never loved me so therefore I attack others" excuse for future conflicts.

 

After 5 episodes the show's not really working for me. I know that Claudia, Kenya and Cynthia are positioned as the centerpiece of the show but they're just not interesting to me. They're pretty but empty.  

Edited December 8, 2014 by charming

[Ubiquitous]

I'm kinda glad the get together Kandiarranged didn't turn into a free-for-all brawl, but frankly, I am tired of every franchise of Housewives doing this and nothing ever being accomplished.

Speaking of Kandi, I lose more respect for her every week as she makes up excuses for her nasty mother.

[copacabana]

Kandi's mother is one seriously messed up excuse for a human being.  That was just really jaw dropping! Her sisters seem to have Joyce's number too but obviously aren't going to say anything on camera.  Here's to hoping that, with the cameras off, Kandi phoned her mother or, better yet, confronted her in person and really really let her have it -- big love or no big love.  Come on, now -- That's just outrageous behavior.  And, while the BF could and should be pressed to make financial restitution, the real culprit here is Joyce, with a large side order of all the enabling that her daughter contributes to their totally sick dynamics.

 

Todd was absolutely right to point out to his wife that enough is enough.  Actually enough was more than enough quite a long time ago.  If she can't mend her ways where her sociopathic Mama is concerned that marriage is doomed.  I'm betting that the loss of his own mother in such an abrupt and painful fashion is going to alter Todd in ways that Kandi may not appreciate.  He will not be forgetting that his monster-in-law so completely disrespected his mother during her last months of life and that his wife basically turned a blind eye to it, while expressing the weakest of protests

 

On the plus side, I was loving the soul food restaurant and the means of ordering.  Now that's the Atlanta that I want to see!

 

Portia with her updo and bangs looked like something out of Valley of the Dolls.   Nene is such a bully -- talking over everyone, insisting on having the last and only word, berating her friend without giving her a chance to express herself.  Good riddance.  

 

Phaedra disappointed me -- I was hoping and expecting that she apologize in a simple and straightforward fashion.  I kind of get why she refused to -- I  think Kenya was vile to her without a doubt -- but for her own sorry sake, I do wish she'd apologize.  Even if insincerely.  On the plus side for her, freeing herself even psychologically from Apollo seems to be doing wonders for her looks.  It's been a long time since she's looked so good. 

 

Cynthia really needs to shut up about Portia's love life and her affairs.  Petty and dumb.  

 

The very best part of the lame Claudia and Kenya get together was the view.  Along the the purple and white rug, which I really liked.  Claudia's biracial confusion is something I understand and have sympathy for but the Claudia and Kenya vibe is dull.  I'd like to see her hanging out the other women if she's going to be around. 

Edited December 8, 2014 by copacabana

[cooksdelight]

Who is on the bus to hell with me for thinking that sweet, sweet Sharon was the wrong mother taken too soon?

[Brooklynista]

Ya'll I think Joyce and the boyfriend pawned all those fixtures. Giggling all the way to the casino with the pocket change they just made at Kandi's expense. And Joyce just knowing that Kandi aint ever gonna say shit to her about it.

[HunterHunted]

This show is about to lose me, especially if these women continue to be awful. Phaedra showed herself to be a classless sour petty rat faced troll. Nene's ego cannot be checked. If God came down from the heavens and tried to get her in check, she'd be like what have you done in 2000 years. I've starred on Glee, Vegas, and Broadway. Bloop! She's so far up her own ass she's seeing out her tonsils. Kandi. I'd like to buy her a clue, but I don't want to spend my own money. I think I'll just borrow it from Kandi. I know she'd give it to me. It's pretty clear that there is no amount of disrespect from Joyce that Kandi will not tolerate. I'm thinking physical harm to Riley is the only thing that would get Kandi to cut Joyce off.

This show needs to get entertaining pretty damn quick.

[Ubiquitous]

Ya'll I think Joyce and the boyfriend pawned all those fixtures. Giggling all the way to the casino with the pocket change they just made at Kandi's expense. And Joyce just knowing that Kandi aint ever gonna say shit to her about it.

I hate to say it, but the first thing I thought was how people whose house was foreclosed would remove the copper piping for scrap money and destroy or sell all the fixtures.

[Chrissytd]

Ya'll I think Joyce and the boyfriend pawned all those fixtures. Giggling all the way to the casino with the pocket change they just made at Kandi's expense. And Joyce just knowing that Kandi aint ever gonna say shit to her about it.

 

I hate to say it, but the first thing I thought was how people whose house was foreclosed would remove the copper piping for scrap money and destroy or sell all the fixtures.

Maybe that's how she bought that sapphire ring she was flaunting at the reunion.

Edited December 8, 2014 by Chrissytd

[copacabana]

Brooklynista! -- OMG -- I do believe you hit the nail on the head.  Brilliant and I can totally see this having happened. 

[meeeeech]

Cynthia tries too hard to seem tough and bold and pretends that she's ready to go toe to toe with anyone. I can tell she's stressed out and anxious about having to play that part, she's passive and meek by nature. It's a shame because honestly that's what I liked about Cynthia. Beautiful, shy, well-mannered Cynthia that didn't have a mean bone in her body. Of course Nene would gravitate towards a person that never competed for the spotlight and agreed with everything she said. That's why she keeps Gregg on the payroll too. The second they stop worshipping her ass or are able to stand on their own 2 feet she immediately starts backbiting (Kim, Marlo, Kenya. I'd forgotten Nene really liked Kenya her first season on).

 

Ugh, Kandi. I love her but she is a mess. If you're nearing forty and can't even find the guts to stand up to your mom, you deserve everything you get.

[swankie]

Kandi gets on my damn nerves!  Her demon of a mother and her boyfriend trash her house to the tune of "tens of thousands of dollars" as stated by Kandi herself and the person she gets mad at is Todd for talking about it.  It seems like a pattern with her that she directs her anger at her mother toward Todd.  No wonder Joyce decided she didn't want to live in the house.  And just where does Kandi think Joyce is going to get the money to fix the house?  I bet boyfriend doesn't have it.  It's going to come from Kandi, that's who!  smdh

 

Although both of my parents are black, I'm the same complexion (and maybe even a shade lighter) as Claudia, grew up in the south and yet, I've NEVER had problems related to my skin color like she has.  I had friends with dark skin as well as lighter and in all my years I've never had a problem related to my skin color.  What did she do, go around announcing that her mother is white?  To be honest, if she hadn't announced that her mother was white, I never would have guessed it.  The same goes for Apollo.  They just look like light skinned black people to me because they don't have hair like white people.  I don't know what kind of crowds she hung out with to have such problems, but it's pretty horrible that she did.

Edited December 8, 2014 by swankie

[ridethemaverick]

Y'all have said it all regarding Kandi and her troll of a mother.

The ONE small smidgen of hope I have for Kandi waking up is the fact that she was willing to call out Joyce's hypocrisy on camera.

Baby steps.

Todd will be long gone when she finally puts Joyce in her place but at least now it seems possible that it will happen one day.

Can Claudia film with the other ladies more? She and Kenya are so dull together. Put her in the mix with Nene or Phaedra or Porsha again. And her condo was very sexy and in just the right location.

Apollo headed to jail/divorce looks amazing on Phaedra.

Porsha looked gorgeous as usual. Kenya's boobs looked nice. But I guess we're just gonna pretend she got that misshapen ass from working out.

Cynthia...where was all that mouth? How did she just let Nene steamroll over her? I thought she was the new and improved cynthia! And please tell me she and her family have other things to talk about besides Nene.

The show was just meh to me tonight.

[ShadowSixx]

Kenya did not apologize to Phaedra, I have never heard her say "I am sorry I did/said _______" to Phaedra. What I heard Kenya say is "I apologize but you started it by saying, alcoholic/bipolar/ect" which is not an apology IMO. They all seem to do this "justification" routine/dance when they get called out for their own bad behavior, Kenya is no exception to that.

 

Yes Kenya did, Kenya said, "I apologize for calling you ___________ this, that, and the other". She apologized for calling her names which Fakedra didn't do at all.

[WireWrap]

Cynthia tries too hard to seem tough and bold and pretends that she's ready to go toe to toe with anyone. I can tell she's stressed out and anxious about having to play that part, she's passive and meek by nature. It's a shame because honestly that's what I liked about Cynthia. Beautiful, shy, well-mannered Cynthia that didn't have a mean bone in her body. Of course Nene would gravitate towards a person that never competed for the spotlight and agreed with everything she said. That's why she keeps Gregg on the payroll too. The second they stop worshipping her ass or are able to stand on their own 2 feet she immediately starts backbiting (Kim, Marlo, Kenya. I'd forgotten Nene really liked Kenya her first season on).

 

Ugh, Kandi. I love her but she is a mess. If you're nearing forty and can't even find the guts to stand up to your mom, you deserve everything you get.

 Kenya and Nene are cut from the same cloth, they both are quick to attack the other women and do not forgive or move on easily, if at all. With Nene, what you see/hear is what you get...with Kenya, she is an enigma, she has revealed very little about who/what she is beyond a faux storyline and both have similar starts in life, both were raised by their GM's, not their moms. IMO, both are bringing the show down. 

 

Kandi gets on my damn nerves!  Her demon of a mother and her boyfriend trash her house to the tune of "tens of thousands of dollars" as stated by Kandi herself and the person she gets mad at is Todd for talking about it.  It seems like a pattern with her that she directs her anger at her mother toward Todd.  No wonder Joyce decided she didn't want to live in the house.  And just where does Kandi think Joyce is going to get the money to fix the house?  I bet boyfriend doesn't have it.  It's going to come from Kandi, that's who!  smdh

Kandi did say that the luncheon with her Aunts that she has to fix the house before she can sell it. Never once did she say her mom/bf should or will fix it! The more I see how Kandi treats Todd when it comes to Joyce's behavior, the more I see their marriage ending sooner than later.

[Watermelon]

Yes Kenya did, Kenya said, "I apologize for calling you ___________ this, that, and the other". She apologized for calling her names which Fakedra didn't do at all.

Did she apologize for threatening to beat her up while she was pregnant or for mocking her with the booty pads and the net dress?

[HunterHunted]

Kandi said one of the reasons that Joyce refused to move into the other house was because it was still in Kandi's name. So Kandi has spent her own money on this 7 bedroom palace for Joyce and Joyce's name will be on the deed? Joyce can just turn around and sell it without ever putting a single cent into and pocket all that money. Or she can leave it to her random boyfriend when she dies. If Kandi doesn't have her name on that deed along with Joyce's, Kandi is dumber than I thought possible.

[SpringTulips]

No wonder Joyce decided she didn't want to live in the house.  And just where does Kandi think Joyce is going to get the money to fix the house?  I bet boyfriend doesn't have it.  It's going to come from Kandi, that's who!  smdh

 

And best believe Joyce is not going to allow boyfriend to fuck up the house that is in her name. Seeing Joyce and hearing Kenya's and Claudia's stories I am more and more appreciative of my mother.

[WireWrap]

Y'all have said it all regarding Kandi and her troll of a mother.

The ONE small smidgen of hope I have for Kandi waking up is the fact that she was willing to call out Joyce's hypocrisy on camera.

Baby steps.

Todd will be long gone when she finally puts Joyce in her place but at least now it seems possible that it will happen one day.

Can Claudia film with the other ladies more? She and Kenya are so dull together. Put her in the mix with Nene or Phaedra or Porsha again. And her condo was very sexy and in just the right location.

Apollo headed to jail/divorce looks amazing on Phaedra.

Porsha looked gorgeous as usual. Kenya's boobs looked nice. But I guess we're just gonna pretend she got that misshapen ass from working out.

Cynthia...where was all that mouth? How did she just let Nene steamroll over her? I thought she was the new and improved cynthia! And please tell me she and her family have other things to talk about besides Nene.

The show was just meh to me tonight.

Neither Cynthia or Kenya have storylines without, Nene for Cynthia and Nene-Phaedra for Kenya. No one really wants to see Cynthia and Peter, or should I say, Peter telling Cynthia who, what , where and why to think/believe and I am tired of Kenya sharing almost nothing with us about her real life, nothing! 

 

 

Yes Kenya did, Kenya said, "I apologize for calling you ___________ this, that, and the other". She apologized for calling her names which Fakedra didn't do at all.

No, she did not. Kenya made sure that everyone knew that Phaedra deserved what she called her because of what she claims Phaedra did first, which makes it a justification not an apology! At no time did Kenya say "I am sorry I hurt you" or even "I am sorry I called you______ you did not deserve that", and leave it at that. That does not mean that Phaedra should not have apologized if she felt she should but IMO, Kenya did not mean her faux apology/justification either. Had Phaedra apologized, even just for cheap lip service, it would have taken away Kenya's main storyline this season. LOL

Did she apologize for threatening to beat her up while she was pregnant or for mocking her with the booty pads and the net dress?

Nope! Not that I heard, in fact I did not hear Kenya even give a fake apology. All I heard her, Kenya, say was that Phaedra should apologize because she, Kenya, apologizes! She never said "I am sorry for____", not once!

[ShadowSixx]

Whether or not people want to believe Kenya's apology or not is up to you, some of you believe she didn't, some might believe she did. She apologized for calling her names and she sounded sincere to me, maybe she was, maybe she wasn't but I think she was sincere. All I seen was Kenya say where it started and it escalated from there and after Kenya apologized and that's IMO. 

[RedKoolAide]

When it comes to her mom, you can knock Kandi over with a feather. She's so weak for that old hag. I've seen Kandi rage out against people on this show but she won't say shit to her mom. A woman who has called her husband's mother a whore and threatened to beat her best friend's ass with a shoe. Kandi gets zero respect from me.

I believe if Phaedra had apologized to Kenya then Kenya would have been an asshole about accepting. She would've wanted specific apologies for everything for the past two years and Phaedra wasn't going to do that. I think Phaedra should've apologized for the whore comments but that's it. They both need to move on and shut up about it.

I also agree with the poster who said that the rift between Cynthia and Nene started when Nene made the comment about Noel(le). I just can't believe it took Cynthia this long to end her friendship with Nene. Nene's ego is too much to deal with. Not that I don't think Cynthia is a low-key bitch, but Nene is a damn mess.

It felt like a whole lot of nothing happened on the show tonight. But now I'm craving guacamole...

[Mondrianyone]

Nene's ego cannot be checked. If God came down from the heavens and tried to get her in check, she'd be like what have you done in 2000 years. I've starred on Glee, Vegas, and Broadway.

She doesn't seem to have figured out that all these gigs amount to little more than stunt casting and that once the stunt value goes away (very soon, let's pray), so does her career as an aaaactress.

 

I hate to say it, because it's almost hard to imagine Mama Joyce being worse than she already is, but I'm predicting that Sharon's death will give her license to behave even more horribly.  Because she knows that now Kandi will be truly terrified to do or say anything that could remotely upset her and send her to her grave.  I see the emotional blackmail ratcheting way up.

[georgekush]

At this point I'm starting to think it was a huge mistake to demote Porsha and upgrade Claudia to full time. Since during filming the producers thought Claudia would be part time, I'm guessing they didn't really film much of her private life aside from the drama she was apart of (and these constant scenes with Kenya...yawn). So with that footage added in and Porsha's private life aside from drama edited out we're getting a hastily edited and uneven final product. Why didn't they just have 7 full time HWs? An ensemble feel would have made these inconsistencies less noticeable.

 

Where the hell is the other FOTH Demetria by the way? I read on Twitter that she was actually at Cynthia's Ebony party at Bar One but was edited out as to make Claudia seem more like a  full time Wife.

[phoenix780]

The way that Nene and Phaedra act about the whole Kenya thing makes me take Kenya's side.  They're just such over-the-top jerks.  The whole praying thing Phaedra did before the meal they ate (I wonder if the restaurant decided not to waste resources on them)- what the hell was that about?  I'm not sure I've ever seen a prayer used as an insult that way.  

 

I think Kenya may have given a half-ass more detailed apology and then reiterated it "for the record" in case it got edited out.  These aren't stupid women, they're all trying to control their images and get shit documented.

 

I like Kenya/Claudia off on their own.  Same with Phaedra/Kandi.  Hopefully they'll drop the idea that they all need to be in the same room together.  Could be a more fun show that way.

[WireWrap]

At this point I'm starting to think it was a huge mistake to demote Porsha and upgrade Claudia to full time. Since during filming the producers thought Claudia would be part time, I'm guessing they didn't really film much of her private life aside from the drama she was apart of (and these constant scenes with Kenya...yawn). So with that footage added in and Porsha's private life aside from drama edited out we're getting a hastily edited and uneven final product. Why didn't they just have 7 full time HWs? An ensemble feel would have made these inconsistencies less noticeable.

 

Where the hell is the other FOTH Demetria by the way? I read on Twitter that she was actually at Cynthia's Ebony party at Bar One but was edited out as to make Claudia seem more like a  full time Wife.

What bothers me with the addition of Claudia, is that she has no ties to the community/Atlanta other than Bravo and her radio job. Just as with Kenya, she was hired to bring something, drama/faux friendship, to a show where she has zero connection. I do not buy into the storyline that she and Kenya were "good/close friends" before she joined the show, friendly maybe but not good friends that keep in regular contact. That notion was removed when Claudia informed Kenya about her childhood issues growing up bi-racial, something Kenya would have know had they really been good/close friends already. Bravo could/should have hired someone from Atlanta instead of bringing in an outsider IMO. The show has become forced, nothing seems to flow naturally anymore.

[MrsSmartyPants]

Well this was a waste.

The entire episode seemed more "set up" than usual.

2 single girls in a high rise that can't put together an ikea shelf! What will they do next!? Go out and knock on random doors looking for a single, male neighbor to come put it together for them! Because the only way to effectively use tools is with your genitals?

I ab-whore (lol) women who can't do simple things for themselves like follow instructions & put together a simple piece of furniture simply because "they're women".

Then we have Gregg and his old ass hi-jinks at the driving lesson! So dull. Go get your ice cream and take a nap.

Nene should be forced to give her paycheck back for that bullshit ass scene. "Hur-dur I'm going to don a bunch of protective gear & kitchen stuff to be funny".

Gimme my minutes back, you boring assholes!

[Iguessnot]

What has happened to Cynthia's fashion sense this season? The blue raccoon eyes in her talking heads? That hooker get up she wore to the restaurant? Even her weaves are jacked up and the blonde is not good on her.

[SnarkKitty]

Gregg continues to annoy; his old man comedy routines are through-the-screen aggravating. You are NOT funny.

 

Phaedra is too damned pressed about Kenya. You're looking crazy with it already, and I have already told you those twisted up faces do you NO favors. It's becoming very clear she's so jealous she could spit. If she really didn't care about Kenya she'd apologize just to get it done already. But she can't do it, and it's all because she knows Apollo preferred Kenya's physicality to her own; disgusting and sloppy PDA look-at-me's aside.

 

I'm just glad Ayden didn't show up this week to pit the avocados.

 

If the house is in Kandi's name, as she sort of hinted about (which was why MJ didn't want to stay there), she can close it up and have the problems fixed, and haul the BF's ass into court to pay the damages. It's all documented on film now.

 

What I don't understand is, if the concern was Joyce living in a house that she was one chicken bone choking away from losing, why didn't Kandi simply transfer the deed into JOYCE'S name? Oh but what am I thinking, then there'd be no reason for all the drama around a new house. As my husband likes to say, there you go, looking for the plot in the porno.

 

Scenes featuring Nene, Porsha and Phaedra are just boring and hate-filled. I've never wanted to forward scenes with any of the actual Housewives but they've made that a first. Their ugly spirits push them even lower on the attractive ladder. Nene is barely tolerable, and with all the shit in her back (and front) yard, Phaedra could stand to take that haughty attitude down a peg; you're the one picking up your mens from the front gate and booking dick-sucking and vertically challenged strippers that you're on a first-name basis with, so have several seats. 

[BitterApple]

I hate to say it, but the first thing I thought was how people whose house was foreclosed would remove the copper piping for scrap money and destroy or sell all the fixtures.

I thought the same thing!!! It looked like one of those foreclosure homes Tarek and Christina renovate on Flip or Flop that has been completely gutted and stripped of anything valuable.

 

I thought Phaedra looked really pretty in the guacamole scene with Kandi. I think matte makeup shades are so much more flattering on her than the 80's frosted stuff she usually wears. Cynthia's makeup is reaching frightening levels of clownishness.

 

I'm a little confused as to the purpose of Claudia's fake show condo. It's obvious she doesn't live there as there's no furniture, the fridge is completely empty, countertops are clear and there are zero personal belongings in the entire place. What's the point?

[bosawks]

"Never get nothing from me." I think Cynthia's subconscious is trying to confess that NeNe will get something from her! Although, now that I think about it, it's probably just bad grammar.

[WireWrap]

I thought the same thing!!! It looked like one of those foreclosure homes Tarek and Christina renovate on Flip or Flop that has been completely gutted and stripped of anything valuable.

 

I thought Phaedra looked really pretty in the guacamole scene with Kandi. I think matte makeup shades are so much more flattering on her than the 80's frosted stuff she usually wears. Cynthia's makeup is reaching frightening levels of clownishness.

 

I'm a little confused as to the purpose of Claudia's fake show condo. It's obvious she doesn't live there as there's no furniture, the fridge is completely empty, countertops are clear and there are zero personal belongings in the entire place. What's the point?

Claudia condo is much like Kenya's house's,  both of them, devoid of anything personal. Nothing but the bare essentials because they are not really in Atlanta for the long haul, more so Kenya, these were not real/permanent/life long moves on the part of either women.

[Maharincess]

I hate to say it, because it's almost hard to imagine Mama Joyce being worse than she already is, but I'm predicting that Sharon's death will give her license to behave even more horribly. Because she knows that now Kandi will be truly terrified to do or say anything that could remotely upset her and send her to her grave. I see the emotional blackmail ratcheting way up.

Don't hate to say it because I thought the exact same thing. I can hear Kandi now "Todd look what happened to your ma, what if I say something to my mom and she dies tomorrow".

Joyce will use Miss Sharon's passing to her benefit for sure. She's gross.

Kandi and Todd won't last. If Joyce gets away with all of the shit she does, Kandi bitches to Todd about it but Todd can't bitch about it too?

I give them 2 years tops.

Edited December 8, 2014 by Maharincess

[cooksdelight]

I'm a little confused as to the purpose of Claudia's fake show condo. It's obvious she doesn't live there as there's no furniture, the fridge is completely empty, countertops are clear and there are zero personal belongings in the entire place. What's the point?

They rushed to get her on the show so fast, poor woman's U-Haul hasn't hit the city limits yet.

[Ubiquitous]

Although both of my parents are black, I'm the same complexion (and maybe even a shade lighter) as Claudia, grew up in the south and yet, I've NEVER had problems related to my skin color like she has.  I had friends with dark skin as well as lighter and in all my years I've never had a problem related to my skin color.  What did she do, go around announcing that her mother is white?  To be honest, if she hadn't announced that her mother was white, I never would have guessed it.  The same goes for Apollo.  They just look like light skinned black people to me because they don't have hair like white people.  I don't know what kind of crowds she hung out with to have such problems, but it's pretty horrible that she did.

I don't want to sound provocative or heartless, but I am getting tired of hearing their childhood sob stories about "not being black enough". BTW, did I hear Claudia claim that her mother, who's Italian, still doesn't speak any English after all these years of raising her as a single mother?

[pkayem]

I just wish I could figure out what was so hysterically funny about Claudia having a cat that Kenya had to carry on with that FAKE laughter for five minutes.

[Leroux]

Nene and Cynthia

 

I guess now I can understand better the reasons why Nene said that she will never offer her genuine and real friendship to anybody in the RHOA show, she will have coworkers and castmates but never again a real friend like she thought of Cynthia. The format of this show is not conducent to any kind of real friendship and production even takes joy in pitching one against the other.

 

For what I see and I gather Nene is pretty honest and straight forward with her emotions, she puts it all out there, if she is mad you know she is mad, if she is hurt you know she is hurt, if she is angry, you damn know it, does she overdo it? absolutely, but most of the time to her own detriment, if she likes you, she likes you and if she doesn't then she doesn't give two hoots about the public opinion and goes with her gut unlike others who are always gauging the viewers reaction to go one way or the other.

 

Nene is abrasive and she doesn't know how to be any other way, this of course works against her, people do not like that, they rather more nice, non confrontational ones, even if it is only for the cameras and the viewers, Nene can be funny when she is in good spirits and that in itself is an asset, something that can't be learned, not only can she be funny, she can read into funny situations and throw shade like no other; if Nene would learn how to mask her emotions after all this years in reality TV she would be again a fan favorite, but she hasn't so when she wants to avoid conflict she comes as whinny and sulking and most of her diatribes come from praising herself and her opportunities outside of RHOA which in reality are quite impressive.

 

Going back to Nene and Cynthia, was Cynthia hurt by what Nene said about Noelle? I reckon she was, she was hurt not because Nene said anything bad about Noelle, IIRC Nene never called Noelle a name or imply that she was nothing but perfect, Nene pointedly said that in her opinion 13 was too young to date and worse yet to have their parents blessing. I can't fault Nene for that as I do think that 13 is way too young, I also know that kids will do things behind their parents' back but they sure are not going to do it with my blessing while I am in the kitchen. Could Nene have saved her opinion and waited until they were alone? she probably could but Cynthia put it out there when the other ladies were present and Nene just replied without thinking about it as she always does. My problem with this situation is not the situation in itself, it is the fact that after it happened Cynthia didn't say anything, she didn't tell Nene if it hurt her, she never mentioned what Leon's reaction was to it, she never touched on the subject again. She could have brought it up to Nene is private but for what they are both saying it just didn't happen, the subject went away.

 

The charity event is when Cynthia totally loses me, Peter was in fact and as usual meddling into issues that were none of his business, Kenya threw a charity event using Nene's name and forgot (I don't think she forgot, I think she did it on purpose) to invite the guess of honor which in this case would be Nene, why would Kenya do that? why would she even throw a party using Nene's name without having talked ot her before and got her okay about it?  Cynthia was not the one organizing it so she should not have been the one who told Nene about it. These games that Kenya plays are what drives the others crazy. Kenya organized a charity event using Nene's name, didn't tell her or invite her until the very last moment and very likely Nene would not have shown up if Cynthia didn't talk her into it, the result that Kenya was expecting was that Nene wouldn't show up so she could talk all kinds of crap about Nene, Nene in fact did show up but with a bad attitude, she probably and in retrospective should have stayed home but she didn't want to let Kenya win by default. Peter insisting that Nene acted above all drama was a good call but yet again none of his business, Peter in all reality has always loved the limeligt and wanted a moment so Nene told him to stop acting like a bitch, later on she apologized, both Nene and Cynthia have admitted to this and then all went back to normal, they still enjoyed their friendship , they still called each other every day and spend holidays together so in Nene's mind the situation was not an issue.

 

Fast forward that to real time and Cynthia and Peter are going after Nene in their segments, their talking heads and in the blogs, this is what is confussing to Nene. IMO Nene is right when she tells Cynthia that a huge part of their problems is Peter, Peter who by the end of the season has decided that Nene's ship was sinking and that Kenya's ship looked better and that if they wanted to keep a peach on the show they beter switch bands. I also have no doubts that there is a lot of pressure from production to bring the drama and all of them are under threat of being demoted or plain fired, for many seasosn now we have heard the rumors at the end of each season about Cynthia being demoted or fired, we have heard how she is boring and how she is only there as Nene's sidekick.

 

Peter needed that to change, if there is one person in this show who cannot afford to lose this gig is Peter, his non existant bars and his pilfering of his wife's money is Peter, without this show Peter has nothing not even a job, his bar One only is possible because Peter and Cynthia manage to have events related to RHOA there every so often and who was there before with bells and whistles every time they open/reopen that bar? Nene, that is who. Who has been behind Cynthia not being demoted and still being a HW? IMO Nene, Cynthia knows this too, but unfortunately for Cynthia she has attached her wagon to that loser so now she has no other choice but a survical strategy.  Peter pitched to Bravo the idea of Real husbands of Atlanta and so far it didn't go anywhere and now with Apollo in the pokey I doubt it will go anywhere, like Nene said the thrist is real.

 

Nene is not innocent by any means, she is stubborn, pig headed, narcissist and any name you want to call her but in this friendship I do believe that Nene was emotionally invested and is very hurt that it ended, I also think that Cynthia is hurt because Nene was a friend to her and now she has to change who she is in order to be relevant. I hope the investment pays well for Peter and Cynthia, I am curious as to how Kenya is going to take Cynthia under her wing, when it comes to Cynthia or Claudia, who will get first seat? if Kenya has to choose between one or the other, will it be Cynthia? Me guess not ....  

[Aging Goth]

my take on this episode...

 

Kandi just baffles me to distraction.  She sees what her mother has done to her house.  It was totally trashed and looked like an abandoned building.  Yet, she had a issue with Todd pointing out the obvious.  Even her aunts were telling her the same thing.  There must have been some mental and/or physical abuse for Kandi to just roll over and let her mother rule her the way she does.

 

There is absolutely no chemistry between Claudia and Kenya.  Kenya seems to know nothing about her "long-time friend"  and the whole encounter seemed forced, at best.

 

Cynthia needs to stop beating a dead horse.  She claims she was free to concentrate on her family now that she is no longer friends with Nene but she spends countless hours telling anyone who will listen how she no longer want to be Nene's friend and really has little to no bases in the split.  Nene doesn't spend countless hours talking about her and mentions her only when asked.  If Cynthia really wanted to move on she should just let it go for Pete's sake.

 

Leroux, everything you said is church-preach to me.  It is what I have observed from the moment Cynthia decided to help Kenya with the charity ball.  The others knew.  they all got out of dodge knowing the whole mess would blow up.  Cynthia coerced Nene, calling her constantly until Nene relented.  I know the first thing she thought with Kenya announced her to speak,  that both Cynthia and Kenya set her up with the help of Marlo who also was MIA.

 

As for Nene liking Kenya, no.   She didn't.  She tolerated her since at the time, she was busy with outside projects and really didn't really interact with Kenya.  The first time she really did was when Kenya threw Porsha out of her first charity event and Nene pulled her over and gave her a good talking to.  After that she laughed at Kenya's antics but she in no way was planning a BFF fest with her.  When Kenya went gunning for Nene, it was on.  Nene knows that the only way to make them stop is simply to not allow them airtime and just walk away. 

 

Not possible when you are forced to have dinner with the people you are having problems with.  Porsha also is learning this.  Just don't acknowledge them and that ends the discussion.  I still feel this to be the real reason she was demoted.  She wasn't going to bring the drama anymore. 

 

Nene is loud boistrous and overbearing but  NOT ONCE has she schemed to hurt anyone, especially if they are going through a crisis.  Like Porsha and now like Phaedra.  Not once does Nene ever do dirt to the other HWives and then play the victim.  Not her style.  She may be loud but she is very honest in her feelings.

Edited December 8, 2014 by Aging Goth

[Neurochick]

Claudia is boring.  What she was talking about, yes I've experienced it.  Both my parents are black, I'm Claudia's color.  I never had a problem with my color, I went to school with only white people and they saw me as being a black person.  Then I went to college and some, NOT all of the black women there had issues with me being lighter skinned, this was in the late 1970's.   

 

Kandi needs to stand up to her mother, she'll never be free of her until her mother dies.

 

Cynthia is silly.  She should remember when she had fibroids that all Peter cared about was how they weren't able to have sex and Cynthia's weight.  That would have made me think.  Also, it was Nene who came to visit her after she came out of the hospital, did Kenya come see her?  I didn't think so.  

 

Nene is loud and abrasive but that's who she is, what you see is what you get.  Nene is meant to take in very small doses.  

[ghoulina]

Dayum! Kandi's old house is a mess. A straight-up mess. I would be livid if I were her. I'm totally with Todd on this one. Her mother continues to behave this way because she is never held accountable for her actions. Kandi is afraid to "go there", so she just silently stews about it and lets her mom get away with it. I had to laugh at the claims that Mama Joyce is going to fix that mess. With what money? Kandi's???

 

And then those two meddling aunts - one of them said that BOTH Sharon and Joyce need to forgive and forget! Obviously a moot point now (RIP Sharon), but pardon me...what had Sharon done that required forgiveness? And how is Sharon supposed to forgive Joyce when I don't recall her apologizing or acting like she's done anything wrong? I didn't watch the wedding special, so maybe I missed something. But I have seen Joyce go off time and time again for absolutely no reason, so I have no trouble believing she has unfairly targeted Todd's mother. 

 

Phaedra can really lose me with her constant whore references. I'm pretty sure Jesus doesn't appreciate a prayer in which you are name-calling other people. And Miss. Air Mattress Sex isn't really the paragon of virtue, so judge not lest ye be judged, honey. 

 

The whole Nene vs. Cynthia thing....Honestly, I have the worst memory ever and I have a hard time recalling just what these bitches fight over from season to season. I do recall Nene being VERY nasty to Cynthia last year, degrading her as a mother and basically shaming her in front of the other women. Was that last year? Sheesh, my memory really is that bad. And then I remember the whole calling Peter a "bitch" thing, which....honestly, name calling isn't nice. But damn if Peter doesn't like to get involved in every little thing that goes on. And, honestly, I think Cynthia is just hell bent on being this "strong woman" now, so she's going to make a big case out of everything and refuse to back down, whether it's right or not. 

 

I just wish they'd stop with these forced get-togethers, to make everyone get in a room and hash things out when they clearly don't want to. I don't really care for either Nene OR Cynthia, so I have zero interest in them making up.