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S48.E03: Committing to the Bit


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Well, that was absolutely epic and yet I was still let down by Justin leaving.  He got hosed so bad by the game.  Was anyone really complaining about two tribes of 8/9/10, everyone votes, maybe there are idols and an occasional extra advantage like steal-a-vote floating around, if there's a tie they re-vote (except for the people who are part of the tie), and if there's another tie they draw rocks?  Why does Jeff need to make this so complicated?  It really sucks that Sai got to vote on a technicality. 

These journeys need to go or they need to give players the option to risk their vote or keep it.  It's not fair they don't have any say, especially when their tribe is already so down in numbers.

I'm not sad Sai survived necessarily, but I hope she goes after Cedrek.  Serves him right.  He really signed up for the wrong game if he can't handle backstabbing people or the pressure or the discord (how would he have handled being on a tribe with Rome or Q or Bhanu?)  But Sai has 9 lives.  I appreciate her competitiveness but she needs to reel in the paranoia and realize not everyone is going to play the game like her.   

As for some other things...Thomas is growing on me.  I think David needs to spend his however-many-days out there and do some soul-searching about his girlfriend and priorities because that doesn't seem like a good situation if he's only good to her if he wins the million and can help her have 4 kids.  Yay for the SITD working and saving Mary!

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3 hours ago, LadyChatts said:

As for some other things...Thomas is growing on me.

He's not growing on me.  In my books, you tell the truth to your number one.  Always.  Him cackling over not doing that with Bianca, especially after she was honest with him, was such a turn-off to me.

It was for that reason that I wasn't sad about Justin leaving.  Hosed or not, I think that he would've been fine if he'd been honest with Cedrek about losing his vote.  Sai was able to use that against him and stay over him, because from all that we've seen, she has let Cedrek in on everything.

I'm glad that Mary again survived.  Her Shot in the Dark working was such a relief.  Even if it turned out to be unnecessary, she had no way of knowing that.  Glad the guaranteed her safety.  But she'd better go idol hunting next week.

I'm actually good with Sai surviving tonight, because she fought for it harder and used the truth to do so.  No lies.  But if she no longer trusts Cedrek after this, then she has every right to want to go after him after what happened tonight.

I'm happy that Kamilla got her extra vote, but not so happy that Bianca lost hers.

Star is suddenly not at the risk of being in the bottom of Lagi anymore.  Now Eva is.  How things switch.

Decent episode.

3 hours ago, mojoween said:

Cedrek you are dumb.

Sai shouldn’t have been allowed to vote in the first revote, no?

3 hours ago, Carey said:

That's correct.  While I don't think it really mattered...

...Peachy changing the rules I believe

I think that she was allowed to vote because Justin couldn't.  If Justin had had a vote, then neither would've been allowed to.  Sai's vote couldn't cancel out Justin's.  The same thing happened with Sam and Sierra last season.  Sam couldn't vote, but Sierra could, because their votes wouldn't cancel out since Sam had no vote.

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I don't know why Justin didn't tell Cedrek, but I think he was better off keeping him over Sai.  I don't see how Sai would trust him when he wrote her name down-twice-and wasn't exactly making the case he was going to keep her.  It seemed like he was tired of her and Mary bickering and that was his reason for wanting her gone, but does he really think this is going to solve anything?  Sai will tell him whatever he wants to hear.  Guess it might not matter but I'd find it humorous if Cedrek has gone to bat trying to save Sai and she ends up being his demise.  She doesn't seem like the type of player to forgive and forget.

Personally, I wish there was a way Cedrek could have gone home tonight.  He seems kind of useless in challenges and way too nice to do any lying or backstabbing or anything underhanded.

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Stupid stupid stupid.  They should have gotten rid of Sai when they had the chance.  She's the worst.

 

Poor David is so fixated on having kids and a family and then gets damage to the brains on both ends.  But the real question for him is:  on the off chance this fantasy win doesn't work out, what are you willing to do to make these dreams come true?  Because chances are....  back up plans are important.

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2 minutes ago, Tango64 said:

Cedric ended up looking very weak and easily manipulated. He started off talking about his first alliance with Justin but then some pleading and sad faces from Sai made him turn.

And that pathetic “y’all have to promise to get along” made him look like a weak father giving in to his bratty daughters in exchange for another meaningless promise. 

This 1000%

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23 minutes ago, Tango64 said:

Cedric ended up looking very weak and easily manipulated. He started off talking about his first alliance with Justin but then some pleading and sad faces from Sai made him turn.

And that pathetic “y’all have to promise to get along” made him look like a weak father giving in to his bratty daughters in exchange for another meaningless promise. 

And what's he going to do if they don't get along?  "Okay, I'll just bring Justin back."  No, it doesn't work that way.  Now you're stuck.  Almost serve him right if Mary and Sai team up against him.

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1 hour ago, bunnyface said:

And what's he going to do if they don't get along?  "Okay, I'll just bring Justin back."  No, it doesn't work that way.  Now you're stuck.  Almost serve him right if Mary and Sai team up against him.

I'm rooting for them to team up.  Cedrek's attitude tonight was "stop bickering or I'll turn this car around."  I still think, after the first tie vote between Sai and Justin, only Cedrek should have been able to vote.  It made no sense to let Sai vote on the re-vote when in previous seasons that wouldn't have been allowed.  Also, and maybe this was edited out, but I wish Justin had argued that Sai would have no reason to trust Cedrek now since he wrote her name down twice.  Justin would have owed Cedrek a lot more than Sai does.

1 hour ago, Rodney said:

All in all, that makes him a good person.  Just a very bad Survivor player.

Oh he definitely seems like a good person.  But I just think he's in the wrong game if he's going to let emotions get the better of him.  Lying, backstabbing, and being underhanded are a big part of this game.  It's why I can appreciate Thomas keeping his advantage to himself for now, even from Bianca.  Shady?  Absolutely.  Will it backfire on him?  Maybe.  But it might also pay off for him.    

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So overjoyed that Mary was safe when she played her Shot In The Dark. Still want Sai gone gone gone, however, for Cedrek to boot Justin in favor of Sai, I hope Mary and Sai team up to take him out. 

Of course Kamilla would win the advantage of an extra vote. Can't stand her or her tribe. Mitch is the only likable one there.

Get rid of these stupid journeys. As long as you have a flame, you should be able to vote.

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Blah episode, epic ending. I don't really know anyone beyond the Vula tribe. It looks like Cedrek took a helluva gamble, but the teaser for next week's episode shows his decision could be moot.

Seriously, Justin got boned. Vula loses, he gets picked to go on a Journey, he has to play a game that he can't skip, he winds up losing his vote, and then Cedrek chooses Sai over him. And he leaves so early in the game, he probably won't get an invite to a future season, let alone S50.

Blindfold challenges are always fun. It wasn't cool that a quarter of the contestants sat out. Wouldn't you want everyone playing, especially if one tribe is down two people already?

David lives in a trailer. That might be worse than living in a van down by the river. Yes, that is a played-out joke. I do not care.

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Cedrek should have kept Justin.  Yes, Justin didn’t tell him about the vote.  But it’s because Cedrek is weak and would blab, like he did in the last episode.  Justin would be a better long term ally for Cedrek.  Sai is volatile and emotional and will easily ditch him the moment she finds a better option.  Will serve him right.  He is truly an awful player.  

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Mary really pulled it off with her act.  Good for her.  Cedrek is an idiot to listen to a whining Sai.  I liked Pizza Guy and he got screwed over in a stupid dice game.  I hate all the crap they have on Survivor these days. 

Justin was right not to tell Cedrek like blackwing said above.  Just Cedrek didn't realize it was a good move on Justin's part because Cedrik has turned out to be a total idiot at playing Survivor.

David, did you ever consider getting a regular, steady job might work for supporting a family you want instead of going on TV and preening and wanting everybody to think you are totally awesome?

I'm not fond of Thomas but so far he has kept his mouth shut about his advantage which is the ONLY way to go.  You only tell anybody else if your life in the game is in serious jeopardy at the tribal council coming up and it is your only Hail Mary move you have left.  Otherwise don't tell a single soul.  Even an ally can turn or accidentally blab the info out.  So good play on his part.

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I don’t like games of chance that remove any strategical element. If Pizza Guy had had the option of playing or not, then lost the game, then it’s on him. But having zero control sucks. Next Jeff will be spinning a big wheel at tribal council to see who goes home.

I don’t blame anyone for keeping an advantage to themselves. Information is power, and once someone has your information, they have power over you. I wish more people would keep their mouths shut, and not just because it creates opportunity for TC drama.

I also think it’s fine if someone wants to share advantage info, but it shouldn’t be a requirement between allies. There are lots of ways to build trust. Cedrick is going to find that out once Sai turns her back on him, which she will.

I’m kind of rooting for Mary and Sai to team up now, and plow through this game like the anti-Thelma and Louise. Just two frenemies bonded by mutual distrust and a shared love of idol-hunting hijinks.

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On the plus side, Mary stayed! That was great. On the downside, Cedrek just ruined things again by letting pouty Sai (who doesn't know her right from her left, such an asset!) manipulate him into keeping her against his number one ally, for the love of all that is holy... But then they were idiots for getting out Kevin last week, so what goes around comes around, I guess.

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I was thinking Cedrek made the wrong choice but then considered that maybe it would be helpful to his game. They must be expecting the merge soon and Sai is a lot more irritating than Justin. He can kind of blend into the scenery as he has so far while Sai runs her mouth and gets booted.

Jeff’s explanation of who could and who couldn’t vote gave me a headache. 

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8 hours ago, LadyChatts said:

I still think, after the first tie vote between Sai and Justin, only Cedrek should have been able to vote.  It made no sense to let Sai vote on the re-vote when in previous seasons that wouldn't have been allowed. 

 Technically they both would vote.  However, since they can only vote for each other, their votes would just cancel each other out so they don’t waste the time having them vote.  Since Justin didn’t have a vote, there was nothing to cancel out Sai’s vote so she got to vote.

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The good news for David is that a 1-in-15 chance of winning $1M is better than the odds of rolling a Natural 20. The bad news is that instead of a 5% chance, it's still only a 6.67% chance. And he doesn't exactly strike me as a strategic genius who's likely to go to the end anyway. Homie needs to see if Disneyland needs a backup Gaston actor.

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Just now, Skooma said:

David, did you ever consider getting a regular, steady job might work for supporting a family you want instead of going on TV and preening and wanting everybody to think you are totally awesome?

Yes!  I like that his girlfriend is thinking about choosing a good father for her children over having a hot guy with muscles.  More women should do that.

 I absolutely love the Mary/Sai show and I'm glad it's going to continue, thanks to their ability to manipulate sweet Cedrek.  The two of them had me laughing through the whole show, "That's what happens when you trust boys," should have been the episode title.

Those journey segments are simply beyond boring, with all those second by second interviews they reminded me of Big Brother challenges.

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8 hours ago, Lantern7 said:

David lives in a trailer. That might be worse than living in a van down by the river. Yes, that is a played-out joke. I do not care.

Sir, that joke will never be old.  Now get off my lawn.

17 minutes ago, JudyObscure said:

Yes!  I like that his girlfriend is thinking about choosing a good father for her children over having a hot guy with muscles.  More women should do that.

 

But it's kind of a weird ultimatum to make.  If I understood what he said correctly, if he doesn't win, she is leaving him.  Uh...how's that going to work?  You're 32 and wants 4 kids sooner rather than later.  But if he doesn't win, you're going to leave him and try to find someone else and put in the time to make sure that guy is going to be a good father and then you're going to be...36, 37?  Maybe try to figure out a normal game plan with the guy you're already with.  Unless he's just refusing to do what it takes to get a normal job and support her in a normal way, in which case he's not the right guy anyway.  

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8 hours ago, Skooma said:

David, did you ever consider getting a regular, steady job might work for supporting a family you want instead of going on TV and preening and wanting everybody to think you are totally awesome?

He seems like a decent guy and I felt bad for him admitting that his life situation is pretty pathetic. And good on him for calling out the other guy who was trying to bro it up by saying how cool it must be to live in a trailer in your dad’s front yard. “No, it’s not. Why would you say that? No, it’s not a big fancy house. It’s just a normal house.”

But at 38, if you want a stable life and the ability to provide for a wife and four kids, it’s time to suck it up and find real work that probably won’t be glamorous. You’ve got a lot of catching up to do and taking another gamble on a big Survivor win is just a continuation of what put you in that trailer. 

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6 minutes ago, Special K said:

It would be awesome if Mary and Sai became the first enemy/frenemy alliance and took it all the way to the end.

that's what I was thinking. It would crack me up if they would band together. I was not a fan of Sai based on the previous episodes but the "we respect each other" approach vs it getting personal (like Sue of last season) made it fun. I respect both of them more now. 

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7 minutes ago, RedbirdNelly said:

that's what I was thinking. It would crack me up if they would band together. I was not a fan of Sai based on the previous episodes but the "we respect each other" approach vs it getting personal (like Sue of last season) made it fun. I respect both of them more now. 

They could maybe fly under the radar since everyone would (legitimately) believe that they couldn't stand each other!

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Sai will never forget (or forgive) that Cedrek wrote her name down, even once, regardless of the fact that he ultimately saved her. Cedrek would've been better off saving Justin.

I understand why Justin didn't tell Cedrek about losing his vote. In past seasons, we've seen people shoot themselves in the foot by telling their 'allies' everything, only to be back stabbed. You don't know who to trust completely. If he had told him, Cedrek probably would've blabbed to Sai. Then she could've convinced Cedrek to blindside Justin.

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I know one thing doesn't have anything to do with the other, but when I saw how wishy-washy and hesitant Cedrek was with the vote, all I could think was how is this guy a surgeon? If I'm his patient right now, I'm going to want to see some mortality reports.

I agree that Sai is never going to trust him now, but she already didn't trust him and he didn't understand that either. Even before the Kevin vote and Cedrek and Justin not telling her not to play her idol, she was mad and said she was wary of them because they didn't agree she was entitled to go on the journey that Mary ended up doing. So Sai saying that she had told Cedrek everything may or may not be true, but I definitely wouldn't say that he can trust her. She's been more honest than not with Mary on factual matters, but obviously Mary shouldn't trust her. It's really no different with Cedrek, just because Sai is less rude to him.

Justin was right not to tell Cedrek about losing his vote, but I do think he should have put up more of a fight to stay instead of giving his blessing to being voted out. It might have made the difference.

Mary is my favorite player right now. It was when she looked at an exhausted Sai standing there in the jungle and took off running again that did it. If Sai is going to act like that jackass Rome sticking like glue to Sol, then at least Mary is making her work for it.

Still liking all of the orange tribe, although I am now hoping David does not win since his plan for supporting any potential children does not seem to include getting a job and health insurance and whatnot. I don't know why so many players seem to need to hear this, but winning Survivor is not a sound financial strategy.

On purple, I'm glad Star is now less of an outcast, and Thomas is growing on me with his maniacal laughter. He's evil, but in a fun way.

 

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2 minutes ago, TVbitch said:

Had to laugh at Jeff going on about the "historic moment". Oh, is that what we're calling it? For me, it was just a mess that demonstrates how the over abundance of idols, advantages, games in which you can or are forced to risk losing your vote, the shot in the dark thing, and only a handful of people on each tribe ~is a recipe for convoluted crap like this happening.

This. 100%. 

This show has become so stale and will continue to be as long as they keep starting with three tribes of six. For one thing, there's not much suspense in who goes home when only three people are eligible. For another thing, there are still way too many people I don't know anything about because the show has no choice but to continue focusing on the losing tribe. Apparently there's a Bianca? And a Charity? And a Chrissy? Who knew?

On top of that, we get the same old challenges week after week after week. It feels so lazy and just adds to how stale the show has become.

Someone last week suggested they drop the tribe gimmick altogether and throw all eighteen contestants onto one beach, then divide them randomly for each challenge. Imagine the chaos of trying to scramble and make alliances in such a situation, each week would be unpredictable. 

God forbid this show stray from it's stale formula though. Instead they just keep adding more "advantages" and gimmicks and journeys that make it even worse.

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Just now, bunnyface said:

Sir, that joke will never be old.  Now get off my lawn.

But it's kind of a weird ultimatum to make.  If I understood what he said correctly, if he doesn't win, she is leaving him.  Uh...how's that going to work?  You're 32 and wants 4 kids sooner rather than later.  But if he doesn't win, you're going to leave him and try to find someone else and put in the time to make sure that guy is going to be a good father and then you're going to be...36, 37?  Maybe try to figure out a normal game plan with the guy you're already with.  Unless he's just refusing to do what it takes to get a normal job and support her in a normal way, in which case he's not the right guy anyway.  

Oh I agree with what you're saying, but I didn't imagine that her ultimatum was that he win Survivor, rather that he figure out a way to get out of that trailer and into a proper home of some sort.  I thought it was most likely in his mind only, that the way to get money was win Survivor.  

 

Just now, Tango64 said:

But at 38, if you want a stable life and the ability to provide for a wife and four kids, it’s time to suck it up and find real work that probably won’t be glamorous. You’ve got a lot of catching up to do and taking another gamble on a big Survivor win is just a continuation of what put you in that trailer

Totally agree with Tango.   I think she's admirable to want financial stability and if he doesn't soon  get steady work then she should move on.

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I think it was very clever of Mary to decide to act very relaxed and unconcerned about idol hunting to make Sai wonder if she had already found an idol. (And Sai did spend considerable time pondering that!) I don't think it worked however, like some have stated. Afterall, she did get 2 votes and were it not for her luck in the "shot in the dark", she would have gone home.

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True, lilysmom, Sai still doubted Mary.  

I 'm so glad she didn't get booted though, she's my favorite this year, so funny and so honest.  I  thought it was hilarious in the first show when she said she became a therapist because she likes hearing people's secrets.

She keeps her good humor even when she's losing and most of all, in a show where people seem to get cast according to how good they are at bragging, often winning final tribal for the same thing, it is so refreshing to have someone who can admit to a few faults.

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15 hours ago, bunnyface said:

And what's [Cedrek] going to do if they don't get along?  "Okay, I'll just bring Justin back."  No, it doesn't work that way.  Now you're stuck.  Almost serve him right if Mary and Sai team up against him.

Short any Production interference such as tribe-juggling, this is exactly what I expect to happen; desperate entreaties from Sai’s tear-streaked face notwithstanding, there’s no way in hell Sai doesn’t hold a grudge against Cedrek for skating her sooo close to the edge of her game’s demise - plus, Mary now has a golden opportunity to play Ced and Sai off against each other, with Mary the swing in the middle.

 

9 hours ago, AntFTW said:

I think Cedrek should have kept Justin. I don't see how he can really regain trust from Sai after voting for her.

Ced can’t - but in truth, Justin pretty much did himself in with his next-to-nothing weak-sauce of a “keep me” argument; IMHO a simple “I was scared” to Ced would’ve gone a long way.

(Or maybe Justin did apologize to Ced, and that bit simply ended up on the cutting room floor….)

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