S18.E17: A Match Made in Scandal

[Katie111]

I do think Allen is not completely innocent here.  No idea why but he found Madison hot so he was willing to do anything she wanted to try to get her interested in him.  I wonder what would have happened if he got a spouse that he did not find "hot".  Madison was never all that nice to him, went out almost every night drinking without him, and showed him zero physical affection.  If she was a brunette with 10 extra pounds on her, would he have been so forgiving of her behavior?  I think he was thinking with his d*** and not his brain this entire time.  Not saying he deserved what he got but he made a fool out of himself for trying so hard because he thought she was a "10".  

And she is a liar.  It clearly had nothing to do with his clothes, his teeth or anything else.  David's clothing and teeth are worse than Allen's.   She was just never into him, she just hid it a bit better than Michelle, although I think going out drinking every night without your spouse is really not trying at all. 

And Camille's outfit at the party......whoa!  Was she planning on moving into a nursing home once they moved out of the apartment?  

[Lindz]

On 2/26/2025 at 3:43 AM, Chatty Cake said:

David gave Michelle the gift of being a victim. Instead of owning that he completely messed up and tried to cover it with lies, he continued to put it back on her.

How'd he put it back on her? 🤔That's what she says whenever he says he wasn't getting any attention or care from her. Her behavior did contribute. Doesn't make it right nor excuse what he did, it's what happened though. I wonder if he was happy with Michelle if he still would've "caught feelings" for Madison. 🤔 He does take ownership of not voicing his feelings & messing up there. I guess we didn't see him really own being wrong for the text & repeatedly lying & that took him wayyyy down. Maybe he thought that was okay because he thought she didn't care what he did since she didn't want him.

Edited 20 hours ago by Lindz

[atomic]

Camille's style is so tragic. I think she has a beautiful face and hair and would be a stunner if she didn't dress so horribly. On decision day I think it would have made Thomas really happy if she wore the ruby necklace he gave her to match her red dress. Maybe she didn't think it would quite go with the rest of her look, but those black lace-up kitten heels she was wearing sure as hell did not either. 

[Kendra143]

I find Allen’s wall and cabinet punching and destroying their wedding memorabilia big red flags. I can understand he’s embarrassed but his anger seems way over the top. Madison never gave him any reason to hope, and I don’t understand why he put up with her being out every night without him. 

[Lindz]

17 hours ago, JayDub1987 said:

She's never really come out and said that she's ready to date him. She always gives it a "yea, eventually" or another vague statement. He's acting like they're a couple. He acts like a 13 year old who has his first girlfriend, which I mean...with how he carries himself, that's not all that shocking. 

Looks like she's trying to hold back to not look that bad. He seems to finally be reading the situation that he's wayyyy more into her than she is into him. It's a lot easier being friends, compared to the pressure and expectations of being married to a stranger spouse. HOW DOES IT CROSS THAT LINE?!?!! 😕😕

[Lindz]

Not seeing the purpose of DD for already split couples, but eh. Make herself feel shitty? Ya. Okay. Whatever. That sounds remorseless. Allen could've skipped it, but didn't? Why?

David's behavior was ATROCIOUS!!! Acted a straight up fool, then quit answering with his, "I don't know," to if thinking she didn't care (about the marriage?) was a free-for-all. That's a child right there! He wasn't there to discuss anything. He was there to make a statement and go. Tried shutting it down with the ring on the table, then resorted to idk responses. Guess he finally hit his limit of the hot seat. 😅 He didn't intend on hurting her? WHAT did he intend? Is she hurt? For what?! WHAT did David think Michelle didn't care about? His feelings and/or him dealing with other women? He keeps harping on her never asking how he was, so I guess that. They both say, "could care less," which is WRONG. Twinsies! Add Em to that! I hope they cut Michelle saying what she did wrong, cuz if there was none of that, that's a problem. I disagree with just showing David answering for his behavior. She kept invalidating what he said by repeating her, "that's your story now, so is it true?," BS!!! He should've told her to cut the BS & quit playing. He said some right things until he "checked out." He didn't share his feelings so they could work on them, but I guess also felt like he couldn't because she didn't even care to ask his feelings. Still, he could've been an adult and told her. She said she cared about him as a person, ask HOW she showed that! He did realize where he went wrong, he just couldn't own it til the end of the conversation. Can't take any push back. Did he think that text & lying was wrong??? 🤔 WHERE'S HER TAKING ACCOUNTABILITY??? TOM??? MR. ACCOUNTABILITY POLICE BETTER CHECK HER!! WHAT IS SHE UPSET ABOUT??? SHE CAN'T SERIOUSLY DISAGREE WITH MADISON'S STATEMENTS. THEY WON WHAT??? 😕

[atomic]

I think Madison is just pretending to not be totally sure of David yet. They've been in an actual relationship for awhile now, IMO. We saw in the preview for next week how David throws her a birthday surprise with all the balloons in the bedroom and says he doesn't know where they'll sleep. To which Madison responds, "I don't think we'll be doing much sleeping! 😉" So much for being focused on healing like she told the experts.

[Lindz]

T&C are just bizarre. WHY don't they know each other's decisions?!!! WHY can't they say & do what each other needs to say yes?!!! Wait til DD to figure out living arrangements?!! COME ON!!! That's RIDICULOUS!!! WHY CAN'T THEY DISCUSS IT & DECIDE TOGETHER?!!!! I CAN'T WITH THEIR TERRIBLE COMMUNICATION!! 😕😕

[Rightside]

I only watched the wedding and the end of the season. Were any of them, except Camille and Thomas, more than Craigslist roommates?

Juan and Karla ???

[Lindz]

Juan talking about building a romantic connection AT THE END?!!! TOO MUCH SPIRITUAL STUFF??!!! AT THE END?!!! GTFOH!!!! TOO LATE!!! WASTE OF TIME, UNSERIOUS, FLOATER COUPLE! Not even a hug goodbye when he left! A JOKE! They weren't even worth making a prediction. Of course DIVORCE on DD!!! What she said she'd like to hear was strange. DD isn't the day to decide to try! Her holdup was not getting affection & consideration & his was no attraction & chemistry, but said going to the gym. 😕 Um. Okay. Sure. Again with the nonsense. DD isn't the day to hash that stuff out!!! DISCUSS IT BEFORE, WHEN IT MATTERS, WHEN IT CAN BE ADDRESSED!!! He was the first holdup. I suspect because he wasn't feeling her & not that he's not into affection. That was just a BS excuse/cop-out. He's lucky she just floated along with him instead of resenting him & blowing up because of it. Funny how she rushed to say divorce & rejected his excuses. Too bad PC didn't enlighten Juan earlier about being closed to whatever he wasn't into. I guess DD meant more "honesty." 🙄

[Lindz]

Oh Em! She was on point when she started about Ike taking accountability for his actions: going to the retreat with his paper to embarrass her & telling the group he didn't want to go... but the repetition & goading was too much. She kept poking til he blew up, but it seemed like she showed what he claimed. She should've asked him questions & let him dig his own grave instead of call him allllll the way out about everything. Ask the group who wanted him at the retreat. 😂 Nevermind, someone would say yes because he's part of the experiment. She just wants to tear him up every time to where SHE has to step away to regroup??? Girl can't hide her contempt! 😕 How's that feeling? Having fun? WHY waste that energy?!!! She needs to stop since she can't control herself. Everyone is pretty much over it, only 2 of the girls stepped away with her. How fast does she find a fiancé?!! 6 weeks? 6 months? Pretty fast! 😕

Edited Yest. at 12:25 AM by Lindz

[JenE4]

Okay, foremost, apologies to last week’s poster regarding Karla showing off her breasts to the men. I still don’t think it was intentional, but Karla does seem to select these open tops with too much loose fabric or not enough fabric in the right places and nothing to fill it out and hold the fabric in place. Granted, I think this is about the same affect as a 10-year-old boy without a shirt on, so I don’t think anyone is losing their minds with lust…least of all her own husband.

i really don’t have much else to say about the rest of them. The Lifetime app was being wonky, so there was no sound for Camille’s supposed fakeout to Thomas. But I’m imagining it was something like the old American Idol, Ryan Seacrest, “I’m so sorry… but… … You’re going to Holllyyywooooood!” But, okay, glad at least one couple is giving it a shot. His girlfriend who waited 9 years for a proposal must be pissed as hell. Can we get her on the After Party?

Madison. Yikes! The whole passive aggressive “honey” and “babe” at Michelle was uncalled for! What did she do to you?!?! You got her man, regardless of whether or not she wanted him anyway. Sure, maybe Michelle was talking about you behind your back questioning your integrity but everything she was speculating about was true!!! There’s just no need to be acting like you’re the injured party here and Michelle is deserving of being put in her place. Damn. You can’t at least pretend to be a nice person or have some empathy or something?! David’s been getting a lot of attention for lying. But Madison just proved herself (to me) to be the bigger villain. It’s one thing to try to deflect, like David, but Madison is like actively attacking and kicking her “rival” while she’s down when she didn’t even do anything to you in the first place. Total mean girl behavior. Whelp, Madison and David deserve each other. I’ll leave it at that.

[Lindz]

So Em gave Ike a half hug, Allen refused David's handshake, Madison skipped greeting Allen & he said hello to her. So he's gunna acknowledge her in group settings? 🤔 I'm surprised Em even acknowledged the clown. David saying it started in the gym sounds bad cuz they did that day 3 or 4. I think he means those conversations, just her talking to him he appreciated. Doesn't mean he was looking at her as more than a friend. WHAT'S Michelle upset about?!!! She didn't want him, so what's the issue?!! Not buying another hyped confrontation cuz the last one was a dud. 😒 Looks like the ONE couple will survive the post DD meetup, unlike some couples from recent seasons. 😅

[Elizzikra]

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Allen was right telling David to stop saying their intention wasn’t bad. Yes it was! 

 

 

 

David intentionally sent the "I wanna eatchyouup" text message - he was just too stupid or too drunk (or both) to send it to the intended recipient. Everything after that, including any "gym dates" he went on with Madison were obviously intentional efforts to grow their relationship.

Re: Madison's Sephora employee makeup at the "party" last night - it could not have clashed more, the pink eye shadow and the red dress. I wonder if she was wearing pink and changed when David showed up in red? Or she is color blind? I know in some circles that super heavy eye shadow is a look but at least choose a complementary color palate.

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I do think Allen is not completely innocent here.  No idea why but he found Madison hot so he was willing to do anything she wanted to try to get her interested in him.  I wonder what would have happened if he got a spouse that he did not find "hot".  Madison was never all that nice to him, went out almost every night drinking without him, and showed him zero physical affection. 

I don't think that makes him guilty of anything. I think he bought into the process and the supposed "expertise" in addition to being attracted to Madison physically. I actually do think that he would have genuinely tried to make things work with a brunette who had an additional ten (or 30) pounds on her. In the real world, physical attraction is often the first thing. Sure, there are always those couples who start off as friends and grow into something romantic but no one swipes right (or is it left, that was after my time and I can never remember) on a good sense of humor or hits on the most well-read guy in the bar...

Edited Wednesday at 11:07 PM by Elizzikra

[Lindz]

Michelle didn't want David

Madison didn't want Allen

Juan didn't want Karla

Ike didn't want Em

They put on a good show at the wedding & quickly flipped the script. Ike & Em suffered the top couple crash. Another 1 couple season. 😬😬😬😬

Edited Yest. at 12:26 AM by Lindz

[Crashcourse]

I never would have guessed in the beginning that the couple I liked the most would turn out to be Juan and Karla.  They just weren't a good match, but I do think they'd be good partners for someone else.

I also liked Allen and Tom (just don't let Camille injure you!).  

[Racj82]

On 2/25/2025 at 8:22 PM, Elizzikra said:

I'm not sure what else would have constituted closure - I was a little surprised when Pastor Cal said that. like - what's left to be said.

I found Madison to be pretty unlikeable in her conversation with Allen. Sure, she apologized, as she should have. But beyond that... sheesh. She just came off as bitchy.

Also, David, Michelle doesn't believe you because you lie constantly. He always reverts to "you can believe me or not" but doesn't really take accountability for how his constant dishonesty causes her to not trust you.

Yeah, that's cool. On the David part. So, stop asking him questions and then immediately saying I don't believe you. What is he supposed to say to that? Whether he is lying or not. Stop questioning the dude already. Him and Madison will divulge only what they want people to know.

[Crashcourse]

Michelle should take a page from Allen's book.  Just leave those two alone and move on.

[Chatty Cake]

8 hours ago, Racj82 said:

Yeah, that's cool. On the David part. So, stop asking him questions and then immediately saying I don't believe you. What is he supposed to say to that? Whether he is lying or not. Stop questioning the dude already. Him and Madison will divulge only what they want people to know.

David needs to stop apologizing to Michelle. I think he means well but he’s done it multiple times usually after another lie is exposed. Each time she responds with sarcasm and eye rolling. 
 

 

8 hours ago, Crashcourse said:

Michelle should take a page from Allen's book.  Just leave those two alone and move on.

I agree. It’s time for Emem to do the same. 

Edited Yest. at 10:31 AM by Chatty Cake

[Hip-to-be-Square]

It's interesting how David and Madison are both using the same phrase "you can believe me or not" to their partners 😏🤔.  

[Elizzikra]

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What is he supposed to say to that? Whether he is lying or not.

Depending on what she is asking, he could always show her evidence. So "wanna know how I'm telling the truth about my relationship with Madison - here is my phone, look at my texts." He has always, always dismissed her lack of trust in him as a character flaw when, as it happens, she was pretty accurate in her assessment of his honesty.

2 minutes ago, Hip-to-be-Square said:

It's interesting how David and Madison are both using the same phrase "you can believe me or not" to their partners 😏🤔.  

Neither one of them appears to have extensive vocabularies so I guess they are choosing from the short list of shared phrases they know.

[redpencil]

1 hour ago, Elizzikra said:

Neither one of them appears to have extensive vocabularies so I guess they are choosing from the short list of shared phrases they know.

They have also both used "catching feelings". I don't know if this is now common terminology and I've just missed it, but I find it so annoying. It comes off to me as an attempt at excuse making, like they're a totally helpless actor with none of their own agency.

[kristen111]

On 2/21/2025 at 5:22 PM, Hip-to-be-Square said:

I'm hoping for all of the couples to divorce! 🤞🙏😄 I want to see rolling luggage at the door, coffee mugs in boxes and passive aggressive final goodbyes. 

I’m in hospital having heart surgery.  What happened Wednesday night?  Who stayed together.❤️

[JenE4]

1 hour ago, kristen111 said:

I’m in hospital having heart surgery.  What happened Wednesday night?  Who stayed together.❤️

Hope all goes well, and you have a smooth recovery! Camille and Thomas actually stayed together. Juan and Karla seem like they might actually stay friends. Madison and David had their big “coming out” as a couple in a group event after decision day. 

[Jeanne222]

One out of five!  Why have experts with those terrible numbers.

Dismiss the experts and just draw names to give it a try!

[Empress1]

9 hours ago, redpencil said:

They have also both used "catching feelings". I don't know if this is now common terminology and I've just missed it,

It is. It means having unexpected romantic feelings. 

[Elizzikra]

10 hours ago, redpencil said:

They have also both used "catching feelings". I don't know if this is now common terminology and I've just missed it, but I find it so annoying. It comes off to me as an attempt at excuse making, like they're a totally helpless actor with none of their own agency.

It’s common terminology for this age group.

3 hours ago, kristen111 said:

I’m in hospital having heart surgery.  What happened Wednesday night?  Who stayed together.❤️

good luck! Hope all goes well!

[atomic]

20 hours ago, Katie111 said:

I do think Allen is not completely innocent here.  No idea why but he found Madison hot so he was willing to do anything she wanted to try to get her interested in him.  I wonder what would have happened if he got a spouse that he did not find "hot".  Madison was never all that nice to him, went out almost every night drinking without him, and showed him zero physical affection.  If she was a brunette with 10 extra pounds on her, would he have been so forgiving of her behavior?  I think he was thinking with his d*** and not his brain this entire time.  Not saying he deserved what he got but he made a fool out of himself for trying so hard because he thought she was a "10".  

For all the great qualities that Allen possesses, he also seems rather shallow to me. He asked for a "gorgeous blonde" in the Matchmaking special and I agree he let Madison treat him like shit because he felt like he hit the jackpot with someone so "hot." Let's face it, everyone would be calling a woman pathetic if she went to the lengths that Allen did to please someone so mean...$3K on clothes, thousands more on Smile Direct, sleeping on the couch waiting for her to come home from partying...He has so much to offer in a relationship and hopefully he's learned from this experience what really makes for a quality woman worth falling for (hint: "gorgeous blonde" should probably be a lot lower on the priority list).

[Hip-to-be-Square]

4 hours ago, kristen111 said:

I’m in hospital having heart surgery.  What happened Wednesday night?  Who stayed together.❤️

I hope that you have a relaxing recovery from your heart surgery! You're in good hands with your upcoming surgery and I'm rooting for you 🤗💖! Camille and Thomas stayed together, and every other couple divorced. I wish that they all could've gotten divorced, but that will happen in a matter of time 😅.  

[Rightside]

3 hours ago, Jeanne222 said:

One out of five!  Why have experts with those terrible numbers.

Dismiss the experts and just draw names to give it a try!

One out of five seems to be the norm for them!

Last season one couple said yes, then no the next day. The other couple that said yes, divorced later.

[ECM1231]

5 hours ago, kristen111 said:

I’m in hospital having heart surgery.  What happened Wednesday night?  Who stayed together.❤️

Kristen, sending prayers and lots of healing thoughts to you. 

Only Camille and Tom stayed together.

[Chatty Cake]

7 hours ago, kristen111 said:

I’m in hospital having heart surgery.  What happened Wednesday night?  Who stayed together.❤️

Healing thoughts going your way!

[Mr. Miner]

On 2/26/2025 at 1:26 PM, Kendra143 said:

I find Allen’s wall and cabinet punching and destroying their wedding memorabilia big red flags. I can understand he’s embarrassed but his anger seems way over the top. Madison never gave him any reason to hope, and I don’t understand why he put up with her being out every night without him. 

I don’t know? If my wife was making me look like a cuckold on television I’d probably feel like smashing a bunch of shit. 🤷🏻‍♂️

[DrewPaul2010]

On 2/25/2025 at 9:57 PM, Jeanne222 said:

Was Allen in love with Madison?  Yes he tried everything to get her to like him and try but love?  I just didn't feel it between them.

I don't think its possible to fall in love with someone who's keeping you at arms length throughout. Usually serious love making foments falling in love and there was none of that going on with Allen. He wanted to stay married and work it out as long as he believed those were her intentions as well and hoped the other benefits would follow. He knew he was being treated unfairly but he didn't want to upset the apple cart. His life is better without her. 

[DrewPaul2010]

On 2/26/2025 at 11:08 AM, Katie111 said:

I do think Allen is not completely innocent here.  No idea why but he found Madison hot so he was willing to do anything she wanted to try to get her interested in him.  I wonder what would have happened if he got a spouse that he did not find "hot".  Madison was never all that nice to him, went out almost every night drinking without him, and showed him zero physical affection.  If she was a brunette with 10 extra pounds on her, would he have been so forgiving of her behavior?  I think he was thinking with his d*** and not his brain this entire time.  Not saying he deserved what he got but he made a fool out of himself for trying so hard because he thought she was a "10". 

He's not innocent as he should have intervened and called her out for allegedly hanging out with her friends. He should have seen the writing on the wall and confronted it. But I didn't observe him drooling over Madison I observed a man who accepted that she is his wife and they are supposed to work on being a happily married couple. I think had he been matched with Michelle who isn't quite as attractive he would have approached it same way. They didn't even as much as kiss after the wedding.

[Retired at last]

On 2/25/2025 at 7:35 PM, Vanderboom said:

I agree that production is trying to make this happen to increase suspense.

I don't think that was production. I think it was all Camille, and she even said that he has to expect her to put the "Camille touch" on those things. As I have thought for a long time - she is cruel and mean and anyone who purposefully plays mind f@# games on people to emotionally screw with their heads is just rotten to the core. I had a manager who did that and she actually thought that if she paid me a compliment by first scaring me to death and making me think I was getting fired is just plain horrible. The praise was completely lost and I found another job as soon as I could. I am sorry that it seems that Tom is still dealing with that.

No one has mentioned Pia's attire and make-up. At first I thought she was dressed for Halloween with the dark purple lipstick and green and orange skirt with her skintight top, Then she wore a different shade of purple lipstick when she met with the next couple. She needs an intervention fast. And this was well before she had her baby. Just atrocious.

I am totally over Em's meltdowns and I am believing Ick more and more. She has had that attitude of superiority the whole time and I totally believe that she behaved that way with him. He WAS horrible, but so was she. Her lecturing and yelling every time she sees him has gone on long enough. She does not have any sympathy or respect from me. If he was that bad, she should have left. That's on her.

I HATED that "the experts" let Michelle get away with lying as much as David did. We KNOW she didn't care about him - we heard her tell him! Madison is not nearly as into David as he is into her. And, although I read upthread that she is intelligent, I haven't seen any evidence of that and just see nervous laughing and thinking she is beautiful. The "date" was cringy. She will take David for as much as she can and then go back into partying the night away.

I thought Karla looked amazing (and she knew it), but her statements at the D Day discussion were the most normal and non-flighty as I have ever heard her speak. It was still good that they split. He is not ready to commit to a relationship right now. He just wants to work and play. Period. Just don't let him sing again, please.

[DrewPaul2010]

On 2/26/2025 at 11:26 AM, Kendra143 said:

I find Allen’s wall and cabinet punching and destroying their wedding memorabilia big red flags. I can understand he’s embarrassed but his anger seems way over the top. Madison never gave him any reason to hope, and I don’t understand why he put up with her being out every night without him. 

What do you mean red flags? If she was a guy you'd say he can't keep his zipper up. Wasn't her connecting with David a red flag? I think his anger was about even keel for the situation.

[Elizzikra]

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Michelle who isn't quite as attractive

See I think that Michelle is much more attractive than Madison - particularly on AfterParty. 

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At first I thought she was dressed for Halloween with the dark purple lipstick and green and orange skirt with her skintight top,

I wondered if it was one of those lipsticks that you put on, let it dry, then peel it off to reveal a completely different color underneath... only she forgot the step where you peel off the blue/purple color...

[Alexander Pope]

12 hours ago, Elizzikra said:

It’s common terminology for this age group.

good luck! Hope all goes well!

Good luck!! sending good thoughts.  

[ECM1231]

3 hours ago, DrewPaul2010 said:

I think had he been matched with Michelle who isn't quite as attractive he would have approached it same way.

Wow, beauty really IS in the eye of the beholder. I never thought Madison was even a little bit pretty, so her comments about being beautiful really threw me for a loop. Michelle seems to have lost a little bit of weight post show, and is looking fantastic on her After Party show appearances. 

[princelina]

On 2/25/2025 at 8:23 PM, JayDub1987 said:

I do think Michelle is trying some revisionist history. Fortunately for her, she looks a little better since she's sitting beside a guy as unlikable as David. 

I disagree - I find it really hard to take her side the minute she opens her mouth!  And she gave herself away at the party - she said she didn't like them there because "it seems like they're winning".  If the "experts" knew or cared anything at all about what had happened this season they would have pointed out to her that she never wanted anything to do with David anyway.

On 2/25/2025 at 9:56 PM, Crashcourse said:

Ikechi might be an asshole but Emem didn't have to bring up all their shit at the gathering.  She is a bitch.  

Ah who cares?  He needs to stay home until he learns how to behave like a human.  In his hat and glasses tonight he reminded me of Fat Albert's friend who had the eyeholes poked in his hat 😂

I have always liked Karla better than Juan, so I was glad she turned him down.  They are a nice looking couple, but she needs to keep her nips under wraps.

Did anyone notice on their date that David said something about it being great to be out golfing with a beautiful woman?  Madison said, "I agree" 😄

[Chatty Cake]

9 hours ago, DrewPaul2010 said:

He's not innocent as he should have intervened and called her out for allegedly hanging out with her friends. He should have seen the writing on the wall and confronted it. But I didn't observe him drooling over Madison I observed a man who accepted that she is his wife and they are supposed to work on being a happily married couple. I think had he been matched with Michelle who isn't quite as attractive he would have approached it same way. They didn't even as much as kiss after the wedding.

I think Madison should have been the one to say something. Instead she dangled a slight chance for them to move forward knowing damn well it was never going to happen. 
I think Michelle is the nicer looking one but she was quite sour from the get go so she wasn’t likable.  I don’t think she would have liked Allen as a husband had they been matched. 

[atomic]

10 hours ago, Elizzikra said:

See I think that Michelle is much more attractive than Madison - particularly on AfterParty.

8 hours ago, ECM1231 said:

Wow, beauty really IS in the eye of the beholder. I never thought Madison was even a little bit pretty, so her comments about being beautiful really threw me for a loop. Michelle seems to have lost a little bit of weight post show, and is looking fantastic on her After Party show appearances.

I think what men like is just different than women. I personally find Madison to be the least attractive woman on the cast, but this isn't the first time a man on here said Madison is hotter than Michelle. 

12 hours ago, Retired at last said:

No one has mentioned Pia's attire and make-up. At first I thought she was dressed for Halloween with the dark purple lipstick and green and orange skirt with her skintight top, Then she wore a different shade of purple lipstick when she met with the next couple. She needs an intervention fast. And this was well before she had her baby. Just atrocious.

You might actually be onto something. Decision day was filmed around Halloween, according to Madison's friend who claims her drag queen makeup was part of a costume lol.

[Madding crowd]

The experts never bring up the things I would ask such as how could Michelle say she was trying when she slept in a different room or apartment every night, put down her husband at every opportunity and only spent time with him when she wanted to accuse him of something. I don’t like him either but he was questioned by the experts and she wasn’t.

I would ask Madison why she complained about Allen’s teeth and clothes but doesn’t do the same with David. I would ask Juan how he expects to be married when he said he doesn’t do hugs and kisses. Saying you want to take it slow is one thing, saying you don’t do physical affection would make it very hard to match you. I know he is a model and he clearly went on here for exposure. He either has someone in the wings, is not interested in women or he truly expects to get married without kissing or hugging his spouse which seems crazy to me. 
I would bring up to Camille that she asked for husband material and made it clear that she didn’t want the swaggy guys who let her down in the past, except she still does. I don’t have any real questions for Emem and Ikechi because I always felt the show was hiding something about them and I don’t think we will ever find out what it is.

[Retired at last]

Does anyone know how many more shows we have? I know that at the last AP, Keisha said they would be back in 3 weeks, so I think they are back next week? She did say it would be after D Day. I am just mostly curious about the 90-day reunion. I wish they would have done a REAL reunion since the show was filmed so long ago. I hope we get true updates. Why? I have no idea!