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I wouldn't put Brennan in that category, but agree with you that Michael and Austin aren't bad. Not all the women in the pink squad are bad either, which is why I take issue with Chloe characterizing them in such black and white terms. Also agree that Emily had no business being on the show. Not because of her sexual history, but because it's just ridiculous for someone who's never even been a girlfriend before to just dive head first into being a wife. One thing I'll say about Brennan is it doesn't sound like he had the best upbringing. His dad seems like a raging alcoholic (drinking vodka in place of water) and his parents were fighting throughout his whole childhood. I also felt empathy for him hearing that story about how he always wanted a closer relationship with his sister, but it didn't seem to be reciprocated on her end. Knowing those things, it doesn't surprise me that someone like Brennan would have issues, but I also don't think he's hopeless when it comes to growing the way I sadly think Emily is.

Michael is actually really cute with a more conventional look:

I am also confused how Chloe, who spent the whole episode bashing the other women, is somehow beloved while the Pepto brigade is still getting raked over the coals. With the exception of Emily I don't think this episode was a bad look for them. Becca didn't do her usual crying and sulking and really does seem to be in a better place. Chloe, on the other hand, did throw a lot of shade at the other women throughout the episode. The most eyeroll-inducing to me was when she characterized all the guys as "good men" who just got stuck with all these awful matches. She must really be basking in the adoration and attention of those younger men to be that far up their asses the way she is.

Decision day was in April 2023 and the reunion was filmed in December 2023. I think the upcoming "Where are They Now?" episode was filmed late January this year.

Judging by social media, Lauren is still very tight with the Pepto Chicks. They were all at Coachella together this past weekend and Lauren just posted an Instagram story of the rest of the posse sending her flowers for her mother's death anniversary. I still like Lauren, and her disgust for them is part of the reason I don't believe the boys are all angels. She does seem to hate Cameron even more than Orion, which I sort of get. Orion is a big turd, but Cameron is the most devious person of that whole cast. He totally backed off when Lauren said not to try her because she's got way more dirt she could spill on him. It wouldn't surprise me, though, if Emily eventually falls out of favor with the Pepto Chicks. She is just awful in every way and her "friends" before the show didn't even seem to like her very much -- badmouthing her to Brennan at their wedding and even exposing her cheating to him. Emily was also so sure America would be on her side, but all the comments on her social media are negative and ripping her to shreds. I don't support the vitriolic comments like slut-shaming, but do think she desperately needs a reality check on what a mean girl she is and how obnoxiously she behaves.

So excited it will be back soon! I loved the first season so much and will do a rewatch before season 2 drops.

In the preview for the 'Where are They Now?' episode, it shows that Chloe isn't just an outsider because she doesn't have the same grievances with her husband as the Pepto Chicks. She and Lauren had some kind of falling out over Michael, with Lauren claiming that Chloe was irate with her because she followed Michael on social media. Chloe was also saying that one of the girls was trashing her on social media through a burner account. Guess we will hear the full story when the shitshow continues next week!

The biggest winner of Emily's histrionics is Cameron. She is such a trainwreck that not much attention is paid to what a pathological liar he is. His father's lung collapsed due to his divorce from Cameron's mother and now Cameron developed a heart condition from the heartbreak of losing Clare? He was with Clare for 31 days and planning an exit strategy with her for most of them lol.

Maybe Emily meant she's an 8.5 in age.

Preview of Emily vs. Kevin 😬 : https://www.instagram.com/p/C51m8PHvJ6I/

https://abcaudio.com/podcasts/the-view-behind-the-table/

I don't listen every day, but enjoy it when I do. Brian is actually a pretty likeable interviewer and all the ladies have a good rapport with him. They talk about certain standout moments that happened on the show that morning and also what's going on in the ladies' personal lives. Every once in awhile the guest from that day's show joins the podcast -- I remember enjoying the episode where Cassidy Hutchinson was on and conversed with Alyssa in a much more relaxed way than her press interviews. I think it would be great to have a separate thread dedicated to the podcast if the mods would permit it. I'd love to discuss interesting things when they come up (or hear them from others when I don't get the chance to listen).

I saw some clips of BB25 Matt doing an interview on Zach Nichols' podcast (another misogynist pig from the Challenge franchise). He was trashing Reilly saying he only knew her for two weeks and was totally creeped out that she wrote him an HoH letter -- like he wasn't the one who built her a Q-tip shrine, carved a pumpkin dedicated to her, and just obsessively talked about her all season long. Also said he didn't want to date her outside the BB bubble because all she does is drink and go to brunch -- like he wasn't a 27-year-old living a frat boy lifestyle at LSU when he came on BB. He also took no accountability for all the nasty things he said about America (justifying it as strategy so the other houseguests would dislike her and want to get her out), but that was less surprising to me than the mean-spirited stuff he said about Reilly (who btw was nothing but kind and gracious to him in the early stages of the game when it came to his disability). Even though Jag was a horrid BB player and a bottom-tier winner in the show's history, it reminded me why I was so glad he won over Matt.

The only reason I'm not surprised is I listened to them on a podcast episode from a few weeks ago and the way they talked about their relationship there were a lot of red flags -- not being able to decide on a place to live, Theresa still working and Gerry not especially liking it since he's been retired for awhile and wants to have adventures with his wife, marriage in general being harder than Gerry imagined it to be at this stage of his life. Far from what you'd expect from a couple who should still be in their honeymoon phase. Agree with the poster above that getting married so quickly was foolish for them. Having to uproot lives is a lot harder for people their age than the 20-somethings we see on the main show, and they should have seen how life would be like for them in the real world first. But I am glad for Theresa that they signed a prenup and she got to protect her money at least.

Candace Cameron Bure will be a guest on the show tomorrow. Friday's are usually my favorite without Whoopi, but can't say I'm too excited for that. Arizona governor Katie Hobbs will be on tomorrow as well.