S18.E17: Unfinished Business

[ZettaK]

Jenn returns from the Bahamas and announces her engagement; Alexis and Katie host a party; Gina and Travis discuss the future of their family; Ryan makes headlines when his name is involved in a national bombshell scandal that sends shockwaves in the OC.

First aired on 10/31/2024.

Bravo synopsis.

Edited Thursday at 09:55 PM by ZettaK

[politichick]

Travis is awful for guilting Gina and kudos to her for sticking to her guns!!! Her children do not need the chaos that is his ex-wife and that house is way too fucking small for the combined families. In addition, he cannot buy a bigger one with Gina until his divorce is final, so he needs to get his shit together. Meanwhile, she's making improvements to the property that will increase its value. He sucks. Hope she meets someone more worthy.

[Stats Queen]

6 minutes ago, politichick said:

He sucks. Hope she meets someone more worthy.

He was an amazing support to her when she was going through with her divorce and custody. He is being whiny, though

[politichick]

11 minutes ago, Stats Queen said:

He was an amazing support to her when she was going through with her divorce and custody. He is being whiny, though

Definitely.

And now we see Bandon talking shit about Heather? The producers are not feeling Katie.

[whydoievencare]

Was that Katie's husband who Shannon went to and said that "she was done"?  I thought he was being supportive when he replied to her that maybe it was time to walk away (and I think he was being kind) and then she's offended by that?  WTF?  And Shannon admonished Katie about it.  She's nuts.  I also wish Emily would just shut her gob sometimes - she seems to often make things worse.

 

[QQQQ]

If Emily didn't shit stir and play both sides, I'm not sure her lame storyline of feeling fat-shamed at Heather's "fashion show" would merit her returning next year. Ever since Gina has found her own voice, Emily has been less valuable to the show.

[ZettaK]

Katie reportedly moved from San Diego to the OC to be on the show. She managed to be messy from her first appearance.

She was in contact with Jenn only, but I'm not sure she still is. Jenn has no friends in this group either, even before Ryan's latest legal issue (some of the women were aware of his previous ones). 

So, I don't understand why some women expect loyalty if they are not friends anymore, or never were. Only Emily and Gina are friends. Shannon mentioned she had three to four (or five) core friends, and they don't belong to this group of women.

Jenn is not that stupid. She knew, but she liked the 5 carat diamond ring. And she is still with him. 

We saw Matt Bowyer, Ryan's business partner at the engagement party. Ryan received immunity, and was not prosecuted for the information he provided. 

It's funny hearing Vicki talking about large egos, and class!

It was nice to see Jo De La Rosa from the early OC days. 

Edited Friday at 03:08 AM by ZettaK

[Stats Queen]

22 minutes ago, whydoievencare said:

Was that Katie's husband who Shannon went to and said that "she was done"?  I thought he was being supportive when he replied to her that maybe it was time to walk away (and I think he was being kind) and then she's offended by that?  WTF?  And Shannon admonished Katie about it.  She's nuts.  I also wish Emily would just shut her gob sometimes - she seems to often make things worse.

 

I agree. He was being supportive and logical.

Emily does make things worse

[snarts]

12 minutes ago, ZettaK said:

...even before Ryan's latest legal issue (some of the women were aware of his previous ones). 

...

Ryan received immunity, and was not prosecuted for the information he provided.

Interesting, you've been crowing for weeks that he's guilty. Care to share anything about those previous legal issues that somehow never came to light despite Tamra's digging & all the recent press coverage?

Love Katie reading Heather for filth. 

Emily is annoying obnoxious & such a shit stirrer, always trying to ensure she's part of the gang up. The only thing I agree with her on is jesus jugs. 

John Janssen, for someone who claims to be such a private person, he sure manages to find the cameras...

[Stats Queen]

2 minutes ago, snarts said:

Love Katie reading Heather for filth. 

So, so enjoyable and so deserved. Heather isn’t used to someone doing that to her on the show?

[Emmeline]

1 hour ago, whydoievencare said:

Was that Katie's husband who Shannon went to and said that "she was done"?  I thought he was being supportive when he replied to her that maybe it was time to walk away (and I think he was being kind) and then she's offended by that?  WTF?  And Shannon admonished Katie about it.  She's nuts.  I also wish Emily would just shut her gob sometimes - she seems to often make things worse.

 

I agree with you about what Katie’s husband said to Shannon. She is saying she’s done and leaving events constantly this season.   How is that growth?  I don’t really see how Shannon is working on herself.  If she couldn’t drink during her program after the DUI, it would have been a good time to stop drinking but alcohol seems very important to her and that’s a bad sign.

 

Edited Friday at 03:06 AM by Emmeline

[ZettaK]

47 minutes ago, snarts said:

Interesting, you've been crowing for weeks that he's guilty. Care to share anything about those previous legal issues that somehow never came to light despite Tamra's digging & all the recent press coverage?

Love Katie reading Heather for filth. 

Emily is annoying obnoxious & such a shit stirrer, always trying to ensure she's part of the gang up. The only thing I agree with her on is jesus jugs. 

John Janssen, for someone who claims to be such a private person, he sure manages to find the cameras...

Nobody that is innocent receives immunity from prosecution. The person who cooperates with the authorities first gets the better deal. He flipped on his "friend". From the link below:

Boyajian and the alleged illegal bookmaker in question, Mathew Bowyer, reportedly laundered Mizuhara’s payments through “marker” accounts at casinos. After depositing the payments, Boyajian and Bowyer “then withdrew the chips from the marker accounts, gambled with them and if they won, cashed out.”

Multiple sources told the outlet that Boyajian received immunity in return for his testimony.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/deadline.com/2024/05/ryan-boyajian-real-housewives-ohtani-interpreter-gambling-1235909183/amp/

As for his less recent issues, I don't think that anything was "made up" because his recent issues are a reality.

ETA: Screenshot from Reddit.

Edited Friday at 03:35 AM by ZettaK

[JAYJAY1979]

2 hours ago, politichick said:

Travis is awful for guilting Gina and kudos to her for sticking to her guns!!! Her children do not need the chaos that is his ex-wife and that house is way too fucking small for the combined families. In addition, he cannot buy a bigger one with Gina until his divorce is final, so he needs to get his shit together. Meanwhile, she's making improvements to the property that will increase its value. He sucks. Hope she meets someone more worthy.

Actually.. I hope he meets someone more worthy.   He's too good for her.

In the real world, I notice companies have lowered their threshold for what makes a good employee... and I bet Bravo has done that as well.  Why else has Gina and Emily survived so long on the show?

Ten years ago, both Gina and Emily wouldn't have survived past their second seasons.  

I hope for season 19 that Gina and Tamra or Heather are given the axe.   Because the show is only good because of Shannon and Jenn.  None of the other women are pulling their weight.

[RealHousewife]

2 hours ago, whydoievencare said:

Was that Katie's husband who Shannon went to and said that "she was done"?  I thought he was being supportive when he replied to her that maybe it was time to walk away (and I think he was being kind) and then she's offended by that?  WTF?  And Shannon admonished Katie about it.  She's nuts.  

 

I thought Katie's husband was just being polite. I was so confused by Shannon's reaction. I had to rewind and wondered if it was an editing thing. 

[bravofan27]

1 hour ago, snarts said:

Interesting, you've been crowing for weeks that he's guilty. Care to share anything about those previous legal issues that somehow never came to light despite Tamra's digging & all the recent press coverage?

Love Katie reading Heather for filth. 

Emily is annoying obnoxious & such a shit stirrer, always trying to ensure she's part of the gang up. The only thing I agree with her on is jesus jugs. 

John Janssen, for someone who claims to be such a private person, he sure manages to find the cameras...

Tamra REALLY wanted Jenn to look at the text messages and get mad at Shannon. When Jenn wasn't interested in looking at her text messages and wanted to focus on why she was mad a Tamra, Tamra accused her of yelling (Jenn wasn't from what I could hear) and pretty much left. Probably to go get a drink since she announced wasn't going to drink at the party-- it was weird that she didn't want to stay, but I guess without drinking it's not that fun for her.

I believe that Emily's kids said Heather was mean. She is. Emily said her boys didn't even know who Heather was, but the next thing she said is that her boys told her the Kailee said Heather was mean. If they don't know who Heather is, why would they even care? 

Emily has been spending too much time with Annabelle. She was completely annoying and trying to act a lot more drunk than she actually was. 

 

Shannon was out of sorts at the party. I didn't understand what pissed her off when they were taking the group picture, and then she goes to vent to Matt and gets furious with him. Then it ends with her laughing and having a great time. Me thinks she was two sheets when she got there.

[swankie]

43 minutes ago, bravofan27 said:

Emily said her boys didn't even know who Heather was, but the next thing she said is that her boys told her the Kailee said Heather was mean. If they don't know who Heather is, why would they even care? 

I believe they probably overheard their mother and Gina say Heather is mean.  Sometimes kids are listening when you don't think they are. 

[dancingdreamer]

 I like Emily, but I hate drunk Emily, she gets confused  and sloppy. So Tamra isn't  drinking,  but she did drink in London,  okay then. 

I like Katie, and I like her even more because  she doesn't  give  a damn about Heather. The argument  they had was very petty.Although  part of their  conversation  seemed edited badly.( like most of tonight ) Could of done without  seeing  Johnny J,  how funny  he said the lines to Shannon,  he's now saying to Alexis,  glad  to see him staying out of the limelight.  Isn't  Ryan helping with an investigation,  so he's not  being  charged. Tamra was so smug , with her FBI cap. I made up other words  ,for what it stood for. 

I hope Gina and Travis make a go of it ,after the divorce  is final, they seem good together. 

[dmeets]

What’s with all the flashback clips for scenes we never saw. I’d have liked to see more of Gina and Shannon's conversation regarding the Travis gossip. Gina’s being really generous this season if Shannon’s excuse was “i can’t remember doing that thing. Of course i would have told you if i remembered.” Was she shitfaced again that day or just lying? While it’s true Shannon didn’t bring it up, i think that’s only because she didn’t have a source other than Travis’ ex.

is Gina the first HW who’s ever flat out called Tamra a narcissist? I keep giving myself false hope that Tamra might actually get what’s coming to her this reunion.

Of course Alexis got dolled up in a decent dress while telling everyone the theme is to be tacky. “Oopsies, i didn’t mean to get my hair looking this great.” She’s totally the girl who would show up wearing white to someone else’s wedding.

That clip of Katie’s 6 year old son asking Katie at the table if Heather was mean to her again was pretty damning for Katie and her daughter, IMO. That said, it’s a rather petty thing for Heather to get hung up over, but then again Katie or Heather could tell each other the forecast calls for sunshine and would declare the other a pathological liar if there’s a single cloud in the sky.

Shannon needs to take a break from the show. She’s not well. Strongest person in this group she says. Wow! Granted Tamra and Alexis are the ones who helped put her in that state so they can fuck off too.

Edited Friday at 06:17 AM by dmeets

[Chatty Cake]

I am still team Shannon because Tamrat is such a horrible piece of trash. However, I’m tired of her announcing she’s done. She’s not done. If she wants to work on herself she could start by not overreacting to a trashy asshole goading her. Although this time Rat didn’t even open that gigantic trash box mouth of hers. Her exchange with Katie’s husband was bizarre. He’s right. If you are done then walk away. I assume he means walk away from the show and Shannon’s outraged at the suggestion.

I want Ryan and Jenn to live happily ever after just because of Tamra shrieking I told ya so.

Emily needs to admit that her sons overheard her saying that Heather’s mean. She is mean and looks mean.

Travis’s ex must be a nightmare.

Please let us never see Jansen and Jugs on the show again. Ever.

Edited Friday at 10:12 AM by Chatty Cake

[Crazydoxielady]

7 hours ago, snarts said:

Interesting, you've been crowing for weeks that he's guilty. Care to share anything about those previous legal issues that somehow never came to light despite Tamra's digging & all the recent press coverage?

Woahhh! Shots fired!!!! 🫣

[Slakkie]

8 hours ago, Stats Queen said:

I agree. He was being supportive and logical.

Emily does make things worse

Not a good look on Shannon's part at all.  Emily was so wasted it was gross.

[65mickey]

I like Katie. Sure she was messy with Heather from the get go. But she is not a drunk, she's not vulgar, or an emotional wreck and she is not mean. I guess that's why Bravo doesn't like her. 

I don't understand why everyone has to have a story line that usually revolves around fighting and getting dirt on someone. They all seem so unhappy and messed up. 

[Mr. Miner]

I think Tamrat wasn't drinking because Eddie was there.

[Chatty Cake]

10 minutes ago, Mr. Miner said:

I think Tamrat wasn't drinking because Eddie was there.

Yes he’s embarrassed by her when she drinks.

[65mickey]

So Shannon is done this time. She goes up to Matt and tells him she's done and why she she is done. So when he says in a kind voice maybe it's time for her to walk away she lights into him. Shannon is an emotional wreck. She is so full of anger about her life that she can't see when someone is trying to be kind to her. No Shannon will not walk away because she is dependent on the money from this show. And I thinks she gets satisfaction from playing the victim. For her to say that she is the strongest women in that group is laughable. 

[Mr. Miner]

4 minutes ago, Chatty Cake said:

Yes he’s embarrassed by her when she drinks.

I'd be embarrassed by her when she isn't drinking.

[bosawks]

I'm fine with both Heather and Katie.  They're both needlessly smug about dumb things, in another world they could be friends.

Shannon is, unsurprisingly, overplaying her hand.  I see her fully embracing the darkness next season which is the only reason I want Tamra back, to see her sucked in that darkness.

Gina is fine but I wonder at what point Emily's drinking becomes a frustration for her.

Jenn is the kind of mess every franchise needs.

Alexis isn't worth the energy to type even this.

[Mindthinkr]

I had trouble watching this episode. Mostly because nothing is fresh. It’s just the same old recycled material with a twist or a new person enacting whatever behavior the producers want them to focus on. 

[snarts]

10 hours ago, ZettaK said:

ETA: Screenshot from Reddit.

 

Oh yeah, Reddit, the single source of truth :)

Prolly not wise to refer to someone's "legal issues" if they've not been legally charged or indicted for a crime. Also, the fifth amendment of the constitution requires that immunity be granted to compel testimony. The government needed Ryan's cooperation in order to make their case. If they believed Ryan was guilty of illegal activities, they would've charged/indicted him and then offer a plea deal in exchange for his testimony. 

Actual quote from APNews coverage of the pleading (not just "sources" e.g. Tamrat calling the paps) “I was running an illegal gambling operation, laundering money through other people’s bank accounts,” Bowyer told the judge. 

Jenn (&Ryan) were on WWHL last night and seemed happy.  Finally, Shannon's considering a break from the show.

Edited Friday at 01:38 PM by snarts

[Pi237]

6 hours ago, dmeets said:

Of course Alexis got dolled up in a decent dress while telling everyone the theme is to be tacky. “Oopsies, i didn’t mean to get my hair looking this great.” She’s totally the girl who would show up wearing white to someone else’s wedding.

She’s such a drip. “But it’s polyester!” Fake ultra pick me girl. Of course she wanted to make sure she’d look the best. Ugh I hope she’s not invited back. 

[Pi237]

I Really wish Shannon would handle Tamra by acting like she doesn’t care. While Tamra’s shrieking at her, Shannon should just sit and smile at her until she’s exhausted herself and just say, “wow, that was a lot” and laugh in her face.  Anytime these women let Tamra get them outraged, Tamra wins. She Lives to hurt and wound people. I’d just watch her throw her fit with a bemused look on my face. Then, dismiss her like she wasn’t there. Stop being ‘Done!’ And running away! That’s what she wants. 

Jenn might be ‘stupid’ but she was the smartest when dealing with Tamra. She spoke her piece. Then, when Tamra wanted her scene of exposing Shannon, Jenn denied her twice. No meet up and no showing her texts at her party. That was brilliant. Tamra had nowhere to go with that, so she left. Perfect! 
 

So, Ryan flipped on his friend and is now acting like he was innocent all along?  On watch what happens he said he was glad his friend took responsibility. I bet you are, Ryan! 

[StevieRocks]

I cannot stand that money-grubbing rube, masquerading as klassy, 🙄 Madame Puppet Dubrow; however, I do not want to see ANY tiny baby child snarkily gossiping about someone. Katie, please tell your son to stay out of grown folks' business. Yuck.

[Cosmocrush]

11 hours ago, ZettaK said:

Nobody that is innocent receives immunity from prosecution.

Ryan was never charged with anything.  

[OlderThanDirt]

Children on these shows should not be miked up or part of a story line. Ive believed this back when Portia Umansky was 6 and also for Taylor's daughters birthday party. But especially using kids to attack other cast members. And trying to get them into modeling is painful to watch.

I assume Katie's trip to find her birth mom will be her storyline next season? Actually that could be very interesting if they make it a family trip and not a journey of screaming drunk women. I admire her daughter for studying the Korean language.

[HelloDolly79]

How sweet was it that Shane still had Emily's wedding bouquet? 

[bravofan27]

Terry was giving me major Kevin Spacey vibes with the way he was feeling all over Eddie. Though i think Eddie was kind of into it. Regardless, Terry is so slimy. He looks exactly the same, maybe older and worse, so the nose job didn't do much.

Katie's son used the word "jerk." Emily's sons used the word "mean." I believe Kaliee instigated it, and she basically admitted she brought it up, but kids repeat things and they are very aware of how others treat their parents and what parents say about others. 

Jenn seems to really want to be the sweet little Christian girl, innocent to all matters, forever forgiving, and keeps herself in this role-- sort of the see no speak no hear no evil. That's why she has put up with and given Tamra so many chances, and I think it's the exact same pattern with Ryan. 

[Cosmocrush]

32 minutes ago, OlderThanDirt said:

Actually that could be very interesting if they make it a family trip and not a journey of screaming drunk women. I admire her daughter for studying the Korean language.

Agreed.  But I don't think Bravo producers would send a crew for a single family trip to Asia.   Or really anywhere.  This show quit being about the individual lives of the HW a while ago. 

[twilightzone]

14 hours ago, QQQQ said:

If Emily didn't shit stir and play both sides, I'm not sure her lame storyline of feeling fat-shamed at Heather's "fashion show" would merit her returning next year. Ever since Gina has found her own voice, Emily has been less valuable to the show.

Notice when BRAVO did a segment of each of the cast members at the beginning of the episode - Emily was left out.  Can't be good.  She also erred on the wrong side with viewers with Katie/Heather.  Katie told the truth - Heather is mean. 

Jen said of the cast, only Emily and Tamra did not reach out after the Ryan controversy hit the media.  She said even if they didn't like Ryan, it was disappointing they didn't bother to check to see how she was doing.

[Cosmocrush]

5 hours ago, bosawks said:

Shannon is, unsurprisingly, overplaying her hand.  I see her fully embracing the darkness next season which is the only reason I want Tamra back, to see her sucked in that darkness.

The one thing about Shannon is that she has always let the show film almost everything, including a bunch of stuff I'd rather have not seen like the time she got the tip of an colonic bottle stuck up her butt.  She bared her gut after gaining 40 lbs (to an asshole trainer) and then tried to get back in shape.  Can anyone imagine her Highness Dubrow doing that?  

The only time I remember her trying to keep anything from the cameras was when Vicki and Tamra were trash talking Dirtbag Jansen. 

[Palimelon]

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I assume Katie's trip to find her birth mom will be her storyline next season?

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But I don't think Bravo producers would send a crew for a single family trip to Asia.

If Katie is back next year, I wouldn't be surprised if next year's vacation is to South Korea...poor South Korea.

[UsernameFatigue]

4 hours ago, StevieRocks said:

I cannot stand that money-grubbing rube, masquerading as klassy, 🙄 Madame Puppet Dubrow; however, I do not want to see ANY tiny baby child snarkily gossiping about someone. Katie, please tell your son to stay out of grown folks' business. Yuck.

Not only her son, but her daughter. Big parenting fail on Katie's part. Most babysitters would ask 8 year old kids about school, their favourite games, etc. NOT about their mother's friends. Katie is the common denominator in both of her kids' conversations, and it is not a good look.

I read a quote from Katie's husband that he stayed away from the others during the party as he was afraid that the FBI might raid it, and he did not want to be seen with Ryan and his friend. Lol. Though I do think he was being kind to Shannon when he suggested that she step away. I hope Shannon apologized to him afterwards as he deserved one.

I wonder where Johnny J will be sitting at the reunion? I fully expect him to make an appearance as he seems addicted to the cameras, and drama. 

Edited Friday at 06:32 PM by UsernameFatigue

[Pi237]

Tamra’s daughter has Tamra’s original face.  She’s a pretty girl, and I like her quirky style.  I hope she doesn’t let her mother turn her into a bitter, narcissistic shrew.  
 

Katies daughter is stunning. Is she a model?  She needs to stop gossiping with her charges tho. Keep the babysitting talk to Minecraft and cartoons.  I thought Katie was a truth teller, but then I remember how she twisted what Gina said about Heather helping her with her career into ‘Gina said she’s using you for your real estate contacts”. However, it’s refreshing that she’s not doing the ‘I’m sorry, let’s start fresh, we don’t really know each other. I only said those things because I had a tough childhood” routine they usually employ.  She’s really sticking to her guns. 

[amarante]

Sometimes people will get immunity who aren't guilty of anything as an extra precaution against something coming back to bite them.

I have no opinion on Ryan's guilt although I do think he knew there was something not quite on the up and up

The guy was employed on some level at Countrywide Mortage for god's sake which was one of the worst of the mortgage companies that were responsible for the financial crisis of 2008. Nobody working at that company had clean hands. They chiefly did subprime loans to unqualified buyers with no risk assessment - the NINJA loans and also exploited gullible mortgage seekers by giving them high interest junk mortgages when they probably could have gotten standard loans.

Am I the only one who assume that engagement ring was fake. When you get a diamond that size it isn't believable unless you are Kim Kardashian who could believably afford a million dollar or more ring and is vulgar enough to actually wear it. 

[bravofan27]

13 minutes ago, amarante said:

Am I the only one who assume that engagement ring was fake. When you get a diamond that size it isn't believable unless you are Kim Kardashian who could believably afford a million dollar or more ring and is vulgar enough to actually wear it. 

I don't know if the ring is fake or not, but I definitely don't think Ryan bought it. 

[RealHousewife]

5 hours ago, StevieRocks said:

I cannot stand that money-grubbing rube, masquerading as klassy, 🙄 Madame Puppet Dubrow; however, I do not want to see ANY tiny baby child snarkily gossiping about someone. Katie, please tell your son to stay out of grown folks' business. Yuck.

Seriously, Katie's son is beyond cute, but that scene was in such poor taste. I admit I cracked up when Jagger pointed at Erika and said "bad guy!" on BH, but that didn't seem like a coached scene trying to get a tiny child to go after a Housewife. It kind of just happened. 

It's bad enough when adult or older children are involved, but getting little kids involved in petty drama is so icky. 

[Cosmocrush]

I don’t think Katie’s son was coached but parents who don’t censor themselves would be amazed at what kids hear when parents are talking and especially on the phone.  My Mom taught first grade and she used to talk about all the private family convos kids would talk about during show and tell, lol.   

[tranquilidade]

I might be in the minority but I don't think it's a big deal that the children repeated that Heather is mean.  They should have all laughed about it but instead they all jump on every detail to disparage each other.  The entire show is based on character assassination.  Someone needs to tell them that they don't need to destroy each other what they do need to do is keep the show interesting and they are failing at that with nonstop  senseless raging.  Tamra is so offensive that she is going to make the internet explode is she doesn't stop.  I'm not enjoying the show at all anymore and Katie is the only one I really think is interesting and I'm so happy she put Heather in her place because Heather has been looking down her snout at everyone for years and spinning the narrative to look perfect at any cost.  The fact that she couldn't just laugh off the story of the paparazzi is so pathetic.  

[njbchlover]

1 hour ago, amarante said:

Sometimes people will get immunity who aren't guilty of anything as an extra precaution against something coming back to bite them.

I have no opinion on Ryan's guilt although I do think he knew there was something not quite on the up and up

The guy was employed on some level at Countrywide Mortage for god's sake which was one of the worst of the mortgage companies that were responsible for the financial crisis of 2008. Nobody working at that company had clean hands. They chiefly did subprime loans to unqualified buyers with no risk assessment - the NINJA loans and also exploited gullible mortgage seekers by giving them high interest junk mortgages when they probably could have gotten standard loans.

Am I the only one who assume that engagement ring was fake. When you get a diamond that size it isn't believable unless you are Kim Kardashian who could believably afford a million dollar or more ring and is vulgar enough to actually wear it. 

Isn't that the same mortgage that Slade Slimey worked for?  I know that Jo mentioned she and Ryan worked together, and if I recall correctly, Slade either got Jo a job there, or they met at work?  

Ryan can claim all he wants that he wasn't involved in anything.  If he got immunity, wouldn't he have testified to something big enough that would give him immunity?  So, to me, he has "unclean hands" - he may have not been directly involved, but he was aware and perhaps assisted in the fraud and money laundering in some way.

 

[SweetieDarling]

Katie has been coming hard for Heather since the season started. I would not be surprised if she asked her daughter to dig for dirt or to ask Emily's boys a loaded question "Isn't Heather mean? Don't you/does your mommy think Heather is mean? 

I am not a Heather fan, but I don't trust Katie

[UsernameFatigue]

I totally forgot to post about Jenn's ring.  I don't think it is real, but real or fake it is one ugly ring.