S04.E07: Valley of the Dolls

[chitowngirl]

Terrified by a threat inside the Arconia, the trio race out of the city. A member of Charles' family provides refuge and yet, this safe house proves to be anything but.

Episode airs beginning October 8 on Hulu.

Please keep on topic with things that happen in this episode. Spoiler tag things that happen in future episodes.

 

Edited October 1 by chitowngirl

[cardigirl]

I love Melissa McCarthy. 
 

And also, season one is referenced again! #whopoisonedwinnie

[dwmarch]

Line of the episode goes to Mabel with her laser-guided snark "Hollywood did this to you in two weeks?"

Bev telling the actors off was also hilarious as was their non-reaction to it. Also Charles' sister asking "who the fuck is that woman?" after encountering Bev for the first time.

The Westies are cashing the Dudenoff checks for obvious reasons but I'm not clear on why they would kill Sazz (or Charles). If they are the actual killers, they have been absurdly patient with the OMITB crew and they have declined several opportunities to kill each and every one of them.

[Irlandesa]

I loved this episode for the most part. 

I think this is the best comedic thing Melissa McCarthy has done in years. She was great with everyone but she and Martin Short were truly spectacular.  Runner-up was the fight with Meryl Streep.  At first I didn't think I'd like it but then Loretta talked about learning stage fighting and did that brutal kick. 

I was less a fan of the actors showing up but then their sleuthing bringing everyone back to Season 1 made it worth it.  I've liked Molly Shannon in other things but she wasn't needed in this episode.

The end was truly chilling. 

This is random but speaking of Howard, does he still have his boyfriend?

[sjankis630]

I loved all of the Billy Joel references. (I'm a fan so sue me). I don't think the Westies cashing a dead man's social security check is much of a stretch at this point.

I actually loved her home. Not the furnishings but the bones of the place. And of course Howard told everyone where they were. 

I do appreciate how they are trying to tie up lose ends from back in season. Some of which I do believe have been brought up here. I don't think I read anything about left handnedess before on these boards. 

Are Bodegas that sketchy in real life?

Also Melissa McCarthy killed it in tonight's episode.

“The podcast is about our neighbors getting murdered.”

“Yeah, but you make it sound so cozy.”

 

 

 

Edited October 8 by sjankis630

[phalange]

Best line goes to either Mabel for “go run lines or do Ozempic” or Bev for “I’m a self-centered Greek Smurf.”

Melissa McCarthy was hilarious, especially her fight with Loretta and “who is that fucking woman?” 

I felt bad for Mabel having to babysit the actors, but it turns out all their random skills came in handy and they connected dots all the way back to season one. People have been wondering about poor Winnie and the note on Jan’s door and why those weren’t explained. I love the idea of someone having it out for the trio since the beginning but I have no clue who it could be.

The Westies cashing Dudenoff’s checks makes sense. It’s possible Dudenoff wasn’t murdered, but when they found out he died, the Westies were worried they’d get busted for the rent control scheme, so they threw his body in the incinerator and cash his checks to keep up the ruse. 

[thuganomics85]

Howard has his strengths, but keeping his mouth shut isn't one of them, so that was kind of on you there, Mabel.

Knew Melissa McCarthy was going to be appearing, but I didn't realize she was going to be Charles' younger sister.  I've been kind of hit or miss with some of her movie work, but I thought she was great here and played off everyone well.  And, of course, I never would have predicted it would lead to a Melissa McCarthy vs. Meryl Streep showdown as well!  Looks like they even did the stunts themselves!  Nice!

Glad they did address all of the bad stuff Oliver did when he was spinning out of control, but I can see why Loretta still wants to be with him and even marry him.  She knows what kind of person he is and while a lot of it can be problematic on the surface, I think she knows it does come from a true place of caring for someone and not just being self-centered.  Still, going forward, maybe lay off the catfishing antics, buddy!

Mabel being stuck with the actors were a fun little gag.  Knew they would actually end up being useful at the end.

Beth didn't seem needed here, which makes me wonder if there is something significant about her being around everyone in this episode.  That said, "self-centered Greek Smurf" is actually kind of an accurate description of Zach Galifianakis.

So, it looks like the Westies have been the one cashing Dudenoff's checks and knew he was dead.  The question is did they kill him?  I can see it being a twist over him simply passing away and they are simply committing fraud instead.  Sure, illegal, but it ain't murder!  But now they know that the gang likely knows what they did.  Uh oh!

But what I didn't see coming is that Sazz's killer might actually be connected to some of the "plot holes" from way back in season one like Winnie being poisoned and Jan finding a note on her door.  I definitely chalked a lot of it up to Jan playing mind games back then, but it sounds like someone else has been upset at them for the podcast.  I wonder if it is someone we already know?!

[Jediknight]

The Westies didn't kill Dudenoff.  They probably came across his body and got rid of it, but they didn't kill him.

I wonder if the Bev telling everybody off scene is the one that Selena and Martin talked about when he hosted Kimmell.  They did say Molly was cussing a lot, and at the end you see Mabel looking away.  Wonder if that's the scene that Selena couldn't stop breaking during, or if there's another one coming.

Oliver and Loretta getting married should mean more Meryl Streep next season.

For me the line of the episode was "Everyone should be worried about Doreen."

[Rickster]

24 minutes ago, Jediknight said:

 

Oliver and Loretta getting married should mean more Meryl Streep next season.

Unless she’s next season’s victim…..

[dwmarch]

40 minutes ago, Jediknight said:

They did say Molly was cussing a lot, and at the end you see Mabel looking away.  Wonder if that's the scene that Selena couldn't stop breaking during, or if there's another one coming.

She definitely laughs. You can only see it for about a second but it's right after Bev says "I'm done with Hollywooooood".

[paigow]

Even if they get married, she will likely get offered a BBC series job that keeps her off-camera most of the season....

[EtheltoTillie]

What a fun episode.  I never even watched Season One, and it didn't matter, as the whole mystery plot is a hash to me.  Melissa McCarthy was absolutely fantastic and hilarious. This was exactly the place for her over-the-top comedy style.

When she came in with braids and called Meryl Streep Heidi, I cackled. 

[AnimeMania]

I wonder if anything they mention about Charles' mother retcons anything they mentioned about Charles' father. Because it seems like the mother, father or Charles were not there to raise little Melissa McCarthy. 

It makes sense that the Westies covered up Dudenoff's death and were cashing his checks, they get to keep their homes and his money probably paid all of their rent, so they were basically living there for free.

Now we need to know what is going on with the bathroom ham, the living ham, the ham radios and Christmas guy's ex-girlfriend.

Edited October 8 by AnimeMania
Added the "not" to the comment

[Affogato]

Okay. Everyone is a better detective than our three guys, except maybe the actual detective. And hammy seems sleuth free. What will our people do for the next season? Go, Howard. 
 

Did Uma poison Winnie?

Edited October 8 by Affogato

[shapeshifter]

When Vince Fish answered the phone as Dudenoff, I clapped and yelled "I knew it!"
But. Wait. No? 
😯

[cardigirl]

1 hour ago, AnimeMania said:

I wonder if anything they mention about Charles' mother retcons anything they mentioned about Charles' father. Because it seems like the mother, father or Charles were there to raise little Melissa McCarthy. 

It's possible his mother remarried or had another relationship after Charles's father. There is a big age gap between the two siblings.

 

 

[Affogato]

1 hour ago, shapeshifter said:

When Vince Fish answered the phone as Dudenoff, I clapped and yelled "I knew it!"
But. Wait. No? 
😯

They all left the same number. 

[kittykat]

So it looks like we're leaning towards the Westies either having killed or covered up Dudenoff's death to keep their rent scheme going.  But why are they targeting the trio?  They were worried that continued investigation into the building would lead to uncovering the scam?  Maybe Jan was in on it (the covered up face in the picture) and when she joined the trio in the Kono investigation they were worried she'd slip up and talk?  Did they know Poppy?  Did they somehow convince her to kill Bunny because Bunny had figured out that Dudenoff was dead?  What about Howard?  He's been there since the beginning and acting as the "Fourth" member but then again so was Jan in season one.  Is Howard framing the Westies?  So many questions.

Great appearance by Melissa McCarthy.  Between her, Meryl, Molly, Eugene, Zach and Eva the budget was stuffed. I thought it was a creative way to do a bottle episode.

[sjankis630]

2 hours ago, Affogato said:

They all left the same number.

Yes this makes sense. They probably have a burner phone for Dudenoff and each man  gets a day or so when they have to carry that phone in order to keep the scam going .......

[lizzbert]

8 minutes ago, sjankis630 said:

 

2 hours ago, Affogato said:

They all left the same number.

Yes this makes sense. They probably have a burner phone for Dudenoff and each man  gets a day or so when they have to carry that phone in order to keep the scam going .......

 

It makes more sense for Vince to keep it, he is an ACTOR. 😂 Kinda. 

[peeayebee]

6 hours ago, Jediknight said:

I wonder if the Bev telling everybody off scene is the one that Selena and Martin talked about when he hosted Kimmell.  They did say Molly was cussing a lot, and at the end you see Mabel looking away.  Wonder if that's the scene that Selena couldn't stop breaking during, or if there's another one coming.

I didn't notice Selena in that scene, but when Bev comes in, puts her arm around Mabel, and kisses her cheek, Selena was definitely trying not to laugh.

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For me the line of the episode was "Everyone should be worried about Doreen."

Lots of great lines this ep, but, yes, that one is one of the best. I also liked Oliver saying, about the doorbell, "Someone should get that before we have to hear it again."

Melissa McCarthy was so great. I always wonder why some actors are excellent at comedy while others are not. What a fantastic character she created.

I wasn't too crazy about the catfight. I didn't think it was funny, and it didn't really serve a purpose.

Oh, there was that one big doll that Oliver said looked familiar. It looked like Meryl Streep!

I thought Bev was very funny, too. I loved her tirade.

Gazpacho is a cute name for a cat. 

"Can-Cans, Wet Bench Night" is pretty funny.

So it was a surprise when S1 was brought up. I have no idea who the killer(s) is(are), but I'm pretty sure it's not any of the Westies. I'm still leaving my options open re suspects I named earlier. I hope it's someone who we've already seen. I would hate for the killer to be a brand new character.

[Affogato]

6 minutes ago, lizzbert said:

It makes more sense for Vince to keep it, he is an ACTOR. 😂 Kinda. 

Christmas guy was in a Tom Hanks movie! But it does make sense for Vince to keep it. Vince was inviting Mabel into the group, he seems to be the leader. It wouldn't get called much. 

[AnimeMania]

Hooters for butts would be Bootiers, not Can-Cans.

This is what I married. He's a pig. Just hoggin' down mozzarelly sticks, surrounded by random women's mud flaps.

Edited October 8 by AnimeMania

[EtheltoTillie]

I loved the bodega cat!

[Chit Chat]

5 minutes ago, AnimeMania said:

This is what I married. He's a pig. Just hoggin' down mozzarelly sticks, surrounded by random women's mud flaps.

And his boat is named "Master Boater!"  I loved this episode, especially going back to season 1 and tying up loose ends.   I like Molly Shannon and I loved her drunken rant!  

She was in an episode of Scrubs back in the day and she played a very annoying paramedic.  Dr. Perry Cox was assigned to do a ride-along with her, and this ending scene was so good with her.  

[Affogato]

I’m worried now that Loretta is ‘Helga’. She constantly took classes, she probably knew Dudenoff. 

[Chit Chat]

1 hour ago, EtheltoTillie said:

I loved the bodega cat!

I wanted to see the security cat in action!!  This was a fun episode.

I just love the opening music to this show.  This YouTube video on the making of it is pretty interesting.  I'm sure that's already been posted, but if not, enjoy!  

[SoMuchTV]

12 minutes ago, Chit Chat said:

I wanted to see the security cat in action!!  This was a fun episode.

Surely Howard’s podcast will go out on YouTube. All the cool podcasts are doing that now!

[MaMo]

The call-back to precedent seasons make me remember something that Lucy told Charles in an episode on season 2. I dug it up and she said:

"You know, I really came here because I'm worried about you. There is some real s**t going on in this building, Charles, and you need to get tougher. You need to find them before they find you."

Maybe during the hiding in the walls she heard something...

Also, as someone mentioned earlier, Jan could also have known the westies (and maybe been involved in the rent fraud). She lived in the west tower after all.

I love that they're trying to cover the "holes". And I hope they do a good job doing it.

[peeayebee]

I didn't notice anything new in the opening credits. Did anyone?

[Chit Chat]

38 minutes ago, peeayebee said:

I didn't notice anything new in the opening credits. Did anyone

I didn't either, but sometimes I look but don't see!!  

[rwlevin]

19 hours ago, sjankis630 said:

Are Bodegas that sketchy in real life?

Yes. And they all smell like cat litter.

[KittenPokerCheater]

19 hours ago, sjankis630 said:

Are Bodegas that sketchy in real life?

The one around the corner from me isn't that sketchy at all.  It's clean and the cat is very chill.  Smells like potato chips.

[Quilt Fairy]

Review and recap of this episode from the Daily Beast.  I would normally post this in the media thread, but this writer is a true fan, and he's going down all the same rabbit holes we are.  I thought you'd enjoy it.

https://www.thedailybeast.com/obsessed/only-murders-in-the-building-recap-melissa-mccarthys-hilarious-debut

[cardigirl]

3 hours ago, peeayebee said:

I didn't notice anything new in the opening credits. Did anyone?

The trio had braids. 

[Ohiopirate02]

6 hours ago, peeayebee said:

 

Lots of great lines this ep, but, yes, that one is one of the best. I also liked Oliver saying, about the doorbell, "Someone should get that before we have to hear it again."

 

I absolutely love the doorbell playing the opening notes of "Scenes from an Italian Restaurant." Of course, the Long Islanders are Billy Joel fans. I am a bit sad that Oliver doesn't love Billy.

[roseha]

I guess I’m the minority here, but the longer this season goes on and the more new characters they introduce the more I just feel it’s just so unfocused.  I know some new clues were apparently(?) introduced in the last few minutes tonight but that didn’t make up for me for the previous 30 or so minutes that had almost nothing to do with the case.  At this point it seems like they barely talk about Sazz at all anymore which saddens me.  One thing I liked about Season Two was the sadness over Bunny’s death especially as felt from her friendship with Uma.  Now even Charles barely mentions Sazz anymore.   Instead we have to have more unfunny Bev Melon business among other things that easily could have been cut.

i do think that Loretta as Helga is any interesting possibility but the way things are going with her and Oliver I doubt they will have Loretta involved in the crimes.

[Yeah No]

I think all the tie-ins with previous seasons are telling us that there is someone likely in the building that has issues with our trio and wants to create false leads and other mischief and havoc to get to them. The thing is they're not necessarily the killer. This could be going on alongside or independently of anything to do with this season's, or any other season's murder.

Even Jan is a suspect for this mischief/havoc creator as she lived in the West Tower and may have known what was going down with Dudenoff and the Westies there. Other suspects are Vince Fish or even Howard. I actually think Howard would have the most reason to be that person because of his relationship with our trio and all these coincidences that put him in the middle of either throwing our trio off or "helping" them. He may only be helping them find clues for things he has nothing to do with, like the check cashing scheme. I don't think he'd be a killer too but it's not out of the question.

The mischief maker or makers could also be the Brothers Sisters even though they're not building residents as that would be something they might do just for kicks. But how they would tie in with earlier seasons is a problem so it feels less likely.

No shock or surprise that the Westies have been cashing the SS checks. Tell me something I didn't already figure out 2 weeks ago, LOL. 😏 But like I said earlier, it doesn't make them guilty of killing Dudenoff or Sazz and could be another red herring all by itself. They could just be capitalizing on Dudenoff's natural death. Even having his phone isn't proof of murder. Dudenoff would have wanted them to have it to continue to perpetuate the ruse even if he wasn't around and was either overseas or dead. I theorized earlier that maybe he knew he was dying and helped them in advance to continue to collect the money from the checks. 

The problem with believing that Dudenoff wasn't murdered but is either still alive or died a natural death is that it kind of takes away from believing that Sazz might still be alive, which is something I still keep hoping is true. But if Dudenoff was murdered who would have motive for that right now? It could still be the Brothers Sisters or it could be Westies although I am not a big fan of that theory. I see them as opportunists not murderers. It could even have been Jan. We don't know if the two ever knew each other or what kind of relationship they had. Maybe they had a romantic relationship that went south and Jan wanted to kill him.

There is another CRAZY option and that's that Sazz murdered Dudenoff in a falling out with him over who got apartments and then went into hiding. I don't love that option because I don't want Sazz to turn out to be a murderer. But it could still be possible, and it could have been in self defense after being shot so there's a way she can still turn out to be a good person. I have been theorizing that someone killed Dudenoff in a falling out with him, and Sazz could have been that person (or the Brothers Sisters).

Anyway I LOVED Melissa McCarthy in this episode. I was LOL at the OTT caricature of Long Island people down to that particular Billy Joel song, which is like the L.I. anthem, LOL. The boat in the driveway with the pizza box, LOL! The house full of dolls! Her clothes and makeup!! It was just everything stereotypical in one episode! The fact that it was so unlikely for Charles to have a sister like that didn't matter, it was just so freaking funny! And the show did try to sell it with a somewhat plausible backstory.

And yes, Bodegas can be sketchy and smell of cat litter and dirty refrigerated cases with dried chicken blood on them.

But yeah, I loved the cat!! 🐈🐱

ETA: Oh yeah, I forgot, I also think Bev Melon is feeling sketchier now because she keeps showing up unannounced like she's keeping an eye on our trio and their progress and bringing her actors with her for what reason I don't know but it just feels sketchy to me as was her OTT overdramatic behavior in this episode. I feel like she either knows something or has something to do with what's going on. It's not necessarily a bad thing but it's something she's not being open about. 

I agree with some others that our trio has dropped the ball repeatedly this season like why they never really nailed Bev about why she showed up at Sazz's NJ location. And it seems like other people are solving things for them instead of them figuring it out themselves. I wonder if those people are trying to throw them off. I have had a funny feeling about the actors being part of a ruse to misdirect our trio away from solving the murder(s).

Edited October 9 by Yeah No

[Aileen]

I’ve had Howard as the villain of season 4 all season and now that it’s been confirmed that the killer has been around since S1, I’m feeling vindicated.

[Yeah No]

6 hours ago, Aileen said:

I’ve had Howard as the villain of season 4 all season and now that it’s been confirmed that the killer has been around since S1, I’m feeling vindicated.

Howard's been on my list for weeks now but I'm not ready to call him a killer yet because what motive would he have for killing either Sazz or Dudenoff? Unless he was put up to it by someone who convinced him it would benefit him somehow or hurt someone he has a beef with I don't see it. That is a possibility but so far I can't feel convinced that's it. So for now I'm thinking he's just trying to tweak our trio and throw them off because he has a beef with them and is aligned with anyone that doesn't want them to solve the murder(s). He may know more than he's letting on about who is guilty of what and is not sharing it with our trio. Perhaps he's feeling left out and wanted to be a part of their podcast/group and this is his sour grapes? I think we have a lot of red herrings this season because there are a lot of people engaging in mischief designed to throw off any investigation for various reasons of their own.

[Affogato]

12 minutes ago, Yeah No said:

Howard's been on my list for weeks now but I'm not ready to call him a killer yet because what motive would he have for killing either Sazz or Dudenoff? Unless he was put up to it by someone who convinced him it would benefit him somehow or hurt someone he has a beef with I don't see it. That is a possibility but so far I can't feel convinced that's it. So for now I'm thinking he's just trying to tweak our trio and throw them off because he has a beef with them and is aligned with anyone that doesn't want them to solve the murder(s). He may know more than he's letting on about who is guilty of what and is not sharing it with our trio. Perhaps he's feeling left out and wanted to be a part of their podcast/group and this is his sour grapes? I think we have a lot of red herrings this season because there are a lot of people engaging in mischief designed to throw off any investigation for various reasons of their own.

I don’t think anyone gets points for suspecting so and so or so and so because I think there are a lot of red herrings being laid. We can be fairly sure it isn’t our podcasting trio and that is it. 
 

i feel it is like a six degrees thing where, for example, the Hollywood crowd are connected through Dudenoff and Sazz,  the stunt peole are connected through Sazz, and it is generally a very complex way to get everyone together. I suspect Sazz is the ‘Kevin Bacon’ of the group. Hence, many hams , right?( And prosciutto goes well with melon. Or is that too much?)

Howard is the building busybody. He has lost 7 cats and won’t get more at the shelter. If there were more episodes I would wonder if he would steal bodega cat. Seriously does he hate cats or does someone else hate cats?  I really think he could be involved in something, but not necessarily murder. 
 

 

 

 

[cardigirl]

56 minutes ago, Affogato said:

( And prosciutto goes well with melon. Or is that too much?

🤣 Love this!

[shapeshifter]

11 hours ago, Yeah No said:

I think all the tie-ins with previous seasons are telling us that there is someone likely in the building that has issues with our trio and wants to create false leads and other mischief and havoc to get to them. The thing is they're not necessarily the killer. This could be going on alongside or independently of anything to do with this season's, or any other season's murder.

Even Jan is a suspect for this mischief/havoc creator as she lived in the West Tower and may have known what was going down with Dudenoff and the Westies there.…

Jan seems to be the logical murder suspect given she was Sazz's lover and has killed and attempted to kill her lovers and even talked to Charles at the beginning of this season about wanting to watch them die. Plus she lived on the West side of the building, for what that's worth.
But in who-dun-its, logic does not always lead to the answer. 
Jan could still just be a red herring.

Are we considering Loretta? 

Speaking of Loretta, in this episode she told Oliver that it was her body double in the identity-concealing, mummy-like burn dressings who said "Ugh" to him on the phone last week.
Could this have given her an opportunity to have done something like fly to NY long enough to shoot Zach Galifianakis, either accidentally or on purpose?

There are a lot of twins and secret identities this season, which are giving the writers a fun way to confuse us in this era of spoilers or just online speculation like we have here.

[Affogato]

41 minutes ago, shapeshifter said:

Are we considering Loretta? 

Speaking of Loretta, in this episode she told Oliver that it was her body double in the identity-concealing, mummy-like burn dressings who said "Ugh" to him on the phone last week.
Could this have given her an opportunity to have done something like fly to NY long enough to shoot Zach Galifianakis, either accidentally or on purpose?

I loved Bev insulting Loretta’s acting (considering, as they say, Streep is the greatest actor of her generation) but it mught be possible that Bev or/and Zach are threatening Loretta’s job.  And people have mentioned the burn victim trope, if it is a thing. She certainlly could do it in disguise. 

[KittenPokerCheater]

I very much hope it's not who the article thinks it is.  No Spoilers.

[tennisgurl]

This is some of the best comedy Melissa McCarthy has done in years, she was great this whole episode, especially her fight with Loretta. Its the Melissa McCarthy vs Meryl Streep fight scene we never knew we needed! This was a really fun episode, it was a fun way to do a bit of a bottle episode but with a TON of characters. 

Come on Mabel, you had to know that Howard was going to tell everyone where you are. 

I hope we get to use the security cat again, what a cutie. Maybe he will end up solving the crime while he gets interviewed for Howard's podcast? 

I love that the actors managed to pull together all of their weird actor knowledge to help actually make a break in the case, it looks like we're actually going to be tying up some loose ends from way back in season one. I remember thinking that Jan's note on the door was something she did to herself for the sake of drama (and as a red herring for us) so I am excited to see where this is going. Justice of Minnie! 

My guess is that Dudenoff died naturally and the Westies dumped his body to keep up their rent scheme, but it does seem like a pretty big coincidence that two different killers would dump bodies in the same place. Would the Westies kill Sazz to cover up their rest scheme? 

Edited October 9 by tennisgurl

[Affogato]

7 minutes ago, tennisgurl said:

This is some of the best comedy Melissa McCarthy has done in years, she was great this whole episode, especially her fight with Loretta. Its the Melissa McCarthy vs Meryl Streep fight scene we never knew we needed! This was a really fun episode, it was a fun way to do a bit of a bottle episode but with a TON of characters. 

Come on Mabel, you had to know that Howard was going to tell everyone where you are. 

I hope we get to use the security cat again, what a cutie. Maybe he will end up solving the crime while he gets interviewed for Howard's podcast? 

I love that the actors managed to pull together all of their weird actor knowledge to help actually make a break in the case, it looks like we're actually going to be tying up some loose ends from way back in season one. I remember thinking that Jan's note on the door was something she did to herself for the sake of drama (and as a red herring for us) so I am excited to see where this is going. Justice of Minnie! 

My guess is that Dudenoff died naturally and the Westies dumped his body to keep up their rent scheme, but it does seem like a pretty big coincidence that two different killers would dump bodies in the same place. Would the Westies kill Sazz to cover up their rest scheme? 

Maybe Sazz was going to take the dudenoff apt and the teen sauce girl killed her in anger. 

[iMonrey]

12 hours ago, roseha said:

I guess I’m the minority here, but the longer this season goes on and the more new characters they introduce the more I just feel it’s just so unfocused.

Yeah, I'm having a hard time following the plot. And I remember very little about Season 1 so if they're relying on me to remember Easter eggs from four or five years ago, it's a lost cause. I do think the Westies and Dudenoff are a red herring and are not directly connected with Sazz's murder, though.

I'm just watching for the comedy at this point instead of obsessing over the mystery. Melissa McCarthy was hilarious in this. She looks really good too.

[Chit Chat]

1 hour ago, shapeshifter said:

Are we considering Loretta? 

I've always thought she's a little eccentric, so when she told Oliver that he was weird/strange/odd (or whatever word she used), I thought that was the pot calling the kettle black.  She seems more wackadoodle than him.  It seems like there's something lurking underneath the surface with her.  

[peeayebee]

13 hours ago, Ohiopirate02 said:

I absolutely love the doorbell playing the opening notes of "Scenes from an Italian Restaurant." Of course, the Long Islanders are Billy Joel fans. I am a bit sad that Oliver doesn't love Billy.

Maybe Oliver and Billy had a falling-out over dating Loni Anderson. :D

Actually, I think he was just tired of hearing the same musical notes over and over again.

3 hours ago, Affogato said:

I don’t think anyone gets points for suspecting so and so or so and so because I think there are a lot of red herrings being laid. We can be fairly sure it isn’t our podcasting trio and that is it. 

You mean I don't get a gazillion points for suspecting everyone?

While I can see Howard being the murderer (and everyone else, for that matter), I really hope he's not. I want him to continue on the show forever. However, I wouldn't be surprised if the trio suspect him at some point.