Spoiler, Speculation and Social Media

[LilyD]

Iirc the criticism wasn’t about Meri’s LV house per se. It was about Meri’s overspending on the house and wanting an extra feature which was only possible if she took an extra addition. (Was it the pantry and wet bar?) 

I also remember a general feeling of unfairness about the allocated weekly household budget, where Meri received exactly the same as Janelle and Christine who each had so many more mouths to feed. 

[LotusFlower]

2 hours ago, LilyD said:

Iirc the criticism wasn’t about Meri’s LV house per se. It was about Meri’s overspending on the house and wanting an extra feature which was only possible if she took an extra addition. (Was it the pantry and wet bar?)

She wanted a wet bar and French doors.  She whined and complained about it ad nauseam. 

[altopower]

16 minutes ago, LotusFlower said:

She wanted a wet bar and French doors.  She whined and complained about it ad nauseam. 

And also that she NEEDS the same size house because she WANTED lots more children and it wasn't as though she didn't try to have more, so she shouldn't be penalized. Or words to that effect. I mostly just remember the Wet Bar of Tears.

[Absolom]

8 hours ago, AZChristian said:

I believe it was originally thought (no proof that I know of) that the money was paid into the LLC and then distributed equally five ways - each wife and Kody.  We used to opine that it made no sense that Meri would get a full share of the same amount as Christine and Janelle, who had five more kids each.  And, of course, Kody had no house payments or anything else to pay for except perms and botox.

One more round: Kody said publicly way early on that the TLC money was split six ways.  Each of the five original adults got 1/6 and the remaining 1/6 went into a "pot" for special events/emergencies, etc like weddings and college.  I'm not sure how well that sixth share held up and it seemed like it was at Kody's discretion so I'm pretty sure it was allocated to Robyn's or his needs or wants quite frequently until by COVID, those two were taking half for the two of them (3 of the 1/6 portions).

[Absolom]

I could not live in that house K&R just bought.  It's the ceilings and not the paint color but all the odd angles.  The kitchenette stuck under the stairs was ludicrous to me.  There's plenty of room to do it without making an eyesore. They should just rent warehouse space given it's mainly needed to hold their junk collection.  

[Gramto6]

14 minutes ago, Absolom said:

I could not live in that house K&R just bought.  It's the ceilings and not the paint color but all the odd angles.  The kitchenette stuck under the stairs was ludicrous to me.  There's plenty of room to do it without making an eyesore. They should just rent warehouse space given it's mainly needed to hold their junk collection.  

Not my choice either.  It feels like a giant cavern.  I can only imagine how dark it will be with the precious "artwork" up all over. You just know every space is going to be covered with giant paintings!

[ChristmasJones]

Any speculation on what it costs to live in the home they bought? In terms of yearly property taxes and utilities?  I'll leave upkeep/repairs off the list because it appears they don't do that. 

[Joan of Argh]

If the SADCRAB gang ever need money I wouldn’t be surprised to see them publish a Tell All book, with themselves as the victims and the OG3 and kids as monsters who made their life hell.

As far as where Truely will stay if she visits… the listing mentions a tree fort. 🙄

[Ms.Lulu]

6 hours ago, ChristmasJones said:

Any speculation on what it costs to live in the home they bought? In terms of yearly property taxes and utilities?  I'll leave upkeep/repairs off the list because it appears they don't do that. 

Property taxes were $8800 in 2023, not high at all for a $2.1MM house.

[ginger90]

I know most have seen the listing, but the price history is interesting to me.

[LilyD]

11 hours ago, LotusFlower said:

She wanted a wet bar and French doors.  She whined and complained about it ad nauseam. 

Yes but she could only have them when combined with an extension of sorts. And that’s what made it even more expensive

[ginger90]

All of the houses basically had the same square footage. She could not have a smaller house on that property. They each had a “budget”, she went over and paid the difference which wasn’t very much in comparison to the cost of building.

 

Meri’s storylines were always overblown. How long did the catfish go on for? It’s still talked about on the show.

Edited October 31 by ginger90

[laurakaye]

8 hours ago, Joan of Argh said:

As far as where Truely will stay if she visits… the listing mentions a tree fort. 🙄

There's a 2200 sq. foot guest house!  Oh, wait - that's probably where they're housing Day'un. Or maybe that's where Robyn plans to display all 7,000 of her Dickens Village accessories.  It should fit okay in there.  Might be a little tight.

[mythoughtis]

Meri’s space in the Lehi house  was often the gathering place. She assumed it would be the same way in Vegas -hence the wet bar.  However I think they ended up outside a lot and then Robyn’s house became the gathering place until they stopped letting people inside. 

What bothered me more was Meri’s insistence that her one child be granted the same budget as all six of Janelle’s or Christine’s.   For example, Leon went to a private college in Utah.  Logan, Aspen, MyKelti, Gabe, Gwen went to a state school in Nevada.  Maddie went to a state school in Utah. Hunter, Paedon, Garrison went to the military  etc 

 

Edited October 31 by mythoughtis

[Granny58]

On 10/30/2024 at 10:52 AM, General Days said:

DABSARK was created in May of 2022.

SADKRAB is a much better name tho.  LOL.

[Granny58]

I freely admit I'm not savvy about financial finagling, and perhaps this has been addressed, but has Coyote Pass been paid off?  If so, have the OG3 received their portions?  If that's all cleared up, can the proceeds have been used to purchase the new mansion?

[ginger90]

9 minutes ago, Granny58 said:

I freely admit I'm not savvy about financial finagling, and perhaps this has been addressed, but has Coyote Pass been paid off?  If so, have the OG3 received their portions?  If that's all cleared up, can the proceeds have been used to purchase the new mansion?

It was paid off in June, 2023.  Last I looked nothing has been done with the property.

[General Days]

1 hour ago, Granny58 said:

SADKRAB is a much better name tho.  LOL.

SADKRAB is definitely better. It's hilarious. I just used the official name, so people knew what to look up, were they so inclined.

Edited October 31 by General Days
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[LotusFlower]

1 hour ago, Granny58 said:

I freely admit I'm not savvy about financial finagling, and perhaps this has been addressed, but has Coyote Pass been paid off?  If so, have the OG3 received their portions?  If that's all cleared up, can the proceeds have been used to purchase the new mansion?

 

1 hour ago, ginger90 said:

It was paid off in June, 2023.  Last I looked nothing has been done with the property.

But it hasn’t been sold.  So what proceeds?  Where did Kody and Robyn get the money to buy a $2 million house?  Especially if they (presumably) bought out Janelle and Meri’s share?  

Edited October 31 by LotusFlower

[65mickey]

He got $420,000 to put up a 20% down payment.  Where he got that money from is a mystery. Did he take out a home equity loan on the first Flagstaff property? That is if that home had that much equity. Did he borrow the money and use coyote pass as collateral? If he got a bridge loan why did he take the home off the market? Doesn't a bridge loan have to be paid back in a fairly short period of time? It's hard to know because what we are seeing on the show is 2 years ago. Kody seems to be one of those people who buys an expensive  house and when he can't make the payments he somehow picks up and moves to another house. some of the housewives do this also.

[Chalby]

23 hours ago, LilyD said:

I also remember a general feeling of unfairness about the allocated weekly household budget, where Meri received exactly the same as Janelle and Christine who each had so many more mouths to feed. 

I understand both sides. Meri is in polygamy which favours fertile women, and she can't help her situation. I think it makes it fair if Kody divides fairly amongst the wives, regardless of the number of kids. 

Wasn't that the reason for the 6th account. To supplement kids' needs?

[surfgirl]

Could Kotex get a loan against the entire CP properties? As in, without Meri or Janelle's consent on their parcels.since he is listed on all the parcels? I epukd think to sell off Meri and Janelle's parcels he would have to get them to.sign off with a notary ir something. Anyone know?

[ginger90]

1 hour ago, surfgirl said:

Could Kotex get a loan against the entire CP properties? As in, without Meri or Janelle's consent on their parcels.since he is listed on all the parcels? I epukd think to sell off Meri and Janelle's parcels he would have to get them to.sign off with a notary ir something. Anyone know?

With their names on them, no.

[CalicoKitty]

On 10/30/2024 at 3:07 PM, LilyD said:

Iirc the criticism wasn’t about Meri’s LV house per se. It was about Meri’s overspending on the house and wanting an extra feature which was only possible if she took an extra addition. (Was it the pantry and wet bar?) 

I also remember a general feeling of unfairness about the allocated weekly household budget, where Meri received exactly the same as Janelle and Christine who each had so many more mouths to feed. 

French doors and wet bar.

[Soapy Goddess]

20 hours ago, ginger90 said:

I know most have seen the listing, but the price history is interesting to me

If you're looking for an explanation, it appears that they paid more (or the owner is holding a note) in order to remove the contingency. 

[laurakaye]

I hope that Ari or Sol don't have any kind of medical emergency or condition like Truely or Ysabel, since it seems Kody's money is all tied up in multi-million dollar mortgages, art pieces and Robyn's "collectibles."  I don't care if what he is doing is legal, it's disgusting to live that way when you have 18 children - whether you claim them or not.  

So not only is he keeping money away from his ex-wives (somehow?  maybe? I don't pretend to understand any of what he and Robyn are doing), it also bars any Brown kids from going to their dad for financial help.  Just another door he's slammed and locked in their faces.  I can't imagine how they must have felt seeing the inside of the Purple Bedazzled Mansion with its floor-to-ceiling artwork.

Edited November 1 by laurakaye

[smarty]

Honestly, just seeing my dad buy a $2.1 Million dollar mansion while fighting my Mom to get her far share of the joint property/child support would make me angry.  It's all well and good to say kids shouldn't be brought into their divorced parents' disagreements - but if your father is actively trying to cheat your mother out of her fair share then it is valid to choose not to have a relationship with him.

[Pickleinthemiddle]

On 10/30/2024 at 4:29 PM, 65mickey said:

Didn't Janelle address this on the last episode?  She said when it came to the division of the money from TLC she, Christine and Meri got their share to run their households but Robyn got hers and Kody's because he was with her at least since the pandemic.

I would imagine when the three OG all started working/side business, is when they were getting much less of the TLC money.  Robyn even stated her and Kody split the bills.  Why would you move into a house that probably is going to cost more to run, not knowing how much longer the show will be on.

[Denize]

1 hour ago, Pickleinthemiddle said:

Why would you move into a house that probably is going to cost more to run, not knowing how much longer the show will be on.

Kody thinks he is a real estate genius, but so far I think any potential profits were lost when the Lehi & Vegas houses went unsold for months while racking up property taxes & basic utilities & upkeep costs. The same will happen with Flagstaff mansion #1. 

[Meow Mix]

I've seen a few pictures of the interior of the new even larger barn than the one they already had and I am not impressed.  The fixtures look like off the shelf stuff from Lowe's especially in the "gourmet" kitchen.  But what really gets me is the flooring.  The floors go in all different directions including diamond layouts in some rooms.  I briefly considered a diamond layout when I had my bathroom redone, but I came to my senses.  It would looks so dated and just odd.  Their house doesn't even have their huge amount of junk in it yet and it already looks cluttered.

My biggest question is how do they expect to heat and cool this place?  They aren't going to have a family account to raid anymore because all three of the OG wives have finally disentangled their finances from him and Robyn.  And even with all the money they stole from the OG3 they seemed unable to do even basic maintenance on the Precious Moments emporium.  How will they manage this place when things start breaking down due to normal wear and tear?  

[precious pupp]

42 minutes ago, Meow Mix said:

I've seen a few pictures of the interior of the new even larger barn than the one they already had and I am not impressed.  The fixtures look like off the shelf stuff from Lowe's especially in the "gourmet" kitchen.  But what really gets me is the flooring.  The floors go in all different directions including diamond layouts in some rooms.  I briefly considered a diamond layout when I had my bathroom redone, but I came to my senses.  It would looks so dated and just odd.  Their house doesn't even have their huge amount of junk in it yet and it already looks cluttered.

My biggest question is how do they expect to heat and cool this place?  They aren't going to have a family account to raid anymore because all three of the OG wives have finally disentangled their finances from him and Robyn.  And even with all the money they stole from the OG3 they seemed unable to do even basic maintenance on the Precious Moments emporium.  How will they manage this place when things start breaking down due to normal wear and tear?  

LOL at Precious Moments emporium!  I've also heard it called Ego Manor.  😝

[Sasha888]

I don't mind the new house too much, especially when compared to the one they are moving out of. I don't hate that one either, at least not as much as some people seem to...but I prefer this new one they are moving to over it.

Of their homes in Flagstaff, the one I liked best was that first rental. I recently re-watched some old episodes, and had forgotten that house. (I don't know that if I had to spend my own money, I'd have chosen any of the 3 I've mentioned, though.)

I agree that they seem to think the show will never end. Very bizarre.

I'll be interested to see who moves into the guest house and that apartment/mother-in-law suite or whatever it's called in this new home. Her kids? Her mother? Mindy?

Kody has plenty of "new" family to surround himself with, now that he's rid himself of his old family, because Robyn seems to be planning to bring in her whole tribe to live with them.

I think Janelle hit the nail on the head when she said it would be very difficult for her kids to have a relationship with K&R because you have to agree to their delusional world view to have any relationship with them.

They accept zero push back or discussion on anything they think, yet can't understand why the rest of the family doesn't like them.

They are so odd.

[WhatAmIWatching]

Woooeee I just saw the new house! The theme from the show Good Times keeps running through my mind. Robyn must be in pig heaven (it's a long way from that trailer with no heat -except a wood burning stove) while Kody most likely feels it's his due.
 

How did K and R pull this off? I thought they took all of the equity out of their Flagstaff house in Helocs. Did his side business get a big contract or something? 

[toodywoody]

On 10/28/2024 at 5:25 PM, ginger90 said:

I just sent you the address.

Can I also get the link? 

[Absolom]

It's amazingly easy to find on any of the house sale websites.

[ChristmasJones]

I have a proposal for the show when this ends. I would call it "Sister Wives Rewind" and it would feature Christine, Janelle, and Meri reacting to selected clips over the years - starting from the beginning.  They would have to be together in the same physical space while doing this (or on a joint zoom call), and be prepared to give honest answers.  The host would be someone who is very knowledgeable about Mormonism, polygamy, etc.   I honestly think ratings would be through the roof for something like this.

If they wanted to, they could create their own podcast/Youtube series like this and keep all the money for themselves.  There are a ton of podcast hosts out there who are ex-Mormon who they could collaborate with. 

Folks like this- in this episode they talk about knowing Christine and Robyn when they were in their teens. 

 

[ginger90]

“Robyn’s” house apparently sold.

[smarty]

Wow, someone paid OVER the asking price?  

[Orcinus orca]

40 minutes ago, smarty said:

Wow, someone paid OVER the asking price?  

Oh, yeah. happens all of the time in areas with a short supply of houses.  It was crazy during Covid, to buy a house in a remote area was nearly impossible without going 20K to 30K over asking.

[mythoughtis]

1 hour ago, smarty said:

Wow, someone paid OVER the asking price?  

It’s happening all the time in our area due to small supply.  We live in an area that is usually reasonably priced in the Midwest. 

[65mickey]

For the life of me I can't imagine why any sane person would pay that much money for that ugly house. There is nothing appealing inside or outside about that house at least to me. There is no accounting for people's taste. The only thing that  I can come up with is that Kody has a wealthy buddy who keeps bailing him out. 

[smarty]

11 hours ago, 65mickey said:

For the life of me I can't imagine why any sane person would pay that much money for that ugly house. There is nothing appealing inside or outside about that house at least to me. There is no accounting for people's taste. The only thing that  I can come up with is that Kody has a wealthy buddy who keeps bailing him out. 

For all our talk of Kody not being good with finances, they sure proved us wrong! They made $885,000 on a house they did very little improvements on and that reportedly needed significant work (the rotted deck etc) .  With that kind of equity no wonder they could afford a $2.1 Million dollar ranch.  Hopefully with this infusion of money Janelle and Meri got their part of the down payment back, and also bought out of Coyote Pass.  That is the minimum he owed them.

[65mickey]

It boggles the mind. I would love to hear what Janelle and Meri think about this. As far as getting any money out of Kody I think he would walk away grinning  without giving them a dime and without paying any child support for Truely. And Robyn would sit in the background fake crying about how they were betrayed. 

[LotusFlower]

4 hours ago, smarty said:

With that kind of equity no wonder they could afford a $2.1 Million dollar ranch.  Hopefully with this infusion of money Janelle and Meri got their part of the down payment back, and also bought out of Coyote Pass.  That is the minimum he owed them.

This is what I was wondering.  Janelle talked about contributing to Kody and Robyn’s house.  (I suppose Meri did, too).  Will Kody pay them back now that the house has been sold?  And do they get part of the profit?

[AZChristian]

16 minutes ago, LotusFlower said:

Will Kody pay them back now that the house has been sold?  And do they get part of the profit?

Answer to question 1:  He better pay them back!!!  They have a bigger audience than K&R and can tarnish their names pretty darned quick.  (Not that there's much left to tarnish.)

Answer to question 2:  Thanks for asking.  I needed a good laugh today.  

[ChristmasJones]

The false narrative of how broke they are has never aligned with the real estate and rental properties they've bought/lived in over the years, IMO.

Yes, they may carry a lot of debt, and not make the best choices with how to spend money, but there had to be a strong cashflow somewhere, as we are no longer in the pre-2008 subprime lending world. 

I think folks underestimate how much they get paid from this show. No one has ever produced a verifiable document about their income. There is the often cited claim that they "took a big pay cut" to continue the series at some point. But, again, where is the basis?

Contrast this to the Teen Mom world, where we did see from court records that Amber was pulling in $500K per year at one point.   Now of course everyone will say that TLC is nothing like Teen Mom, but on what actual facts are these ideas based on?  

I just went to the Wiki and they have done a total of 196 episodes and 36 specials as of Dec 2023.

 

[Natalie68]

On 10/31/2024 at 5:25 AM, ginger90 said:

All of the houses basically had the same square footage. She could not have a smaller house on that property. They each had a “budget”, she went over and paid the difference which wasn’t very much in comparison to the cost of building.

 

Meri’s storylines were always overblown. How long did the catfish go on for? It’s still talked about on the show.

I didn't feel this way at the time, but am glad she had equal funds. She needed a 'retirement' plan just as Janelle and Christine did.  Too bad they squandered it so Robyn could create some generational wealth for her kids.  The only one of the OG's that came out with a home of their own was Christine.  Because Kody needed to get off her mortgage so he could get financing for Robyn's house.  He did not see it coming that she would take it and run while funding her new life. Maybe that is why he is so activated?

7 hours ago, 65mickey said:

It boggles the mind. I would love to hear what Janelle and Meri think about this. As far as getting any money out of Kody I think he would walk away grinning  without giving them a dime and without paying any child support for Truely. And Robyn would sit in the background fake crying about how they were betrayed. 

Yeah.  He isn't willingly parting with any cash. They are going to need to pry it out of his hands.

[Meow Mix]

Someone paid 1.7 million for that ugly falling down house?  There really is one born every minute.  Even with this, I still don't know how they are going to maintain the new place long term without being able to pick the OG wives pockets.

I have wondered if this was part of the break with Mykelti.  On the show when Kody met her twins he was talking about Mykelti and Tony moving in with him and Robyn in a larger place.  He said they had looked at someplace they were interested in. I wonder if he thought he could get a lot of the financing from Tony and Mykelti and they shut him down.  Even at the time that was filmed, Mykelti looked less than enthusiastic about living with him and Robyn.  

[Denize]

Apparently they bought the ugly house plus the adjacent vacant plot for that amount, both of which Janelle & Meri put money in the family account for.

Edited November 7 by Denize

[65mickey]

i'm waiting for the day when Janelle and Meri confront Kody and Robyn and ask  them to repay the money that K&R took from them to buy the first house. After all K&R made a huge profit with the sale of this house.  If Kody refuses to do this then Janelle and Meri should put their differences aside and collaborate on a tell all book. Embarrass them publicly. Show Kody for the con artist that he is.