S07.E17: A Grande Finale

[TexasGal]

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Ashley lands her dream home, with a little help; Robyn makes an unexpected change to her wedding plans; Gizelle reveals her health diagnosis; Karen and Charrisse have a showdown at Candiace's music video reveal party; Mia confronts Karen.

Airdate: 02.05.2023

[Steph J]

Granted, it is only 6 minutes into the episode, and perhaps I should reserve judgment until seeing how it shakes out, but holy hell is Ashley dumb. The entire nation of China does not have as many red flags as this house situation does.

[Stats Queen]

1 minute ago, Steph J said:

Granted, it is only 6 minutes into the episode, and perhaps I should reserve judgment until seeing how it shakes out, but holy hell is Ashley dumb. The entire nation of China does not have as many red flags as this house situation does.

Seriously, she is really dumb.

$13,000 a month mortgage 😳 ensuring she is dependent on Michael (well, he, I mean his LLC) owns it.

Her only source of income is the show, and she is the least accomplished one on the show. All these years on the show and she hasn’t done anything to monetize her time by starting her own business, or other ventures. I’m sure she gets social mediator influence money, but these are not guaranteed.

[Axie]

Why is Chris wearing petal pushers?  You have to be old to understand that reference. 

[spunky]

Ashley is just beyond miserable. Go enjoy your screaming child and your $13k a month mortgage. Why did she feel the need to antagonize Chris at Candiace's event? So Chris most likely lost his job at the hotel due to these disgusting women?

Not Bravo shading Mia and Robyn,lol.

After this season I'm officially over this show.

40 minutes ago, Axie said:

Why is Chris wearing petal pushers?  You have to be old to understand that reference. 

When I was growing up in the Caribbean we called the pedal pushers.

[Stats Queen]

So Robyn is sharing her bs story about Juan’s non-cheating on WWHL.

Andy, Robyn, Eboni K. Williams three of my least liked people from Bravo in one room, turning the channel now.

[NowVoyager]

The Watch What Happens Live after is cringey. Robin is visibly nervous. Andy calls her out. She deflects & admits nothing. Says she believes Juan's story that he physically went to the hotel to pay for the nice lady's room & left.

Also, for anyone who didn't watch: Robyn & Juan got married in MD in August. Her parents were in attendance.

[Ms.Lulu]

I like that Eboni indicated that Charisse attended Karen's mom's funeral to get back on the show. Robyn was shocked.

It will be interesting to see if Robyn stays if Juan steps out again and she is no longer on the show.

My big question, did she add him to the title of the house, or is this a marriage that she can quickly exit with few financial consequences?

[Axie]

I’d like a timeline on the Juan/woman from Canada because the casinos were closed during part of the pandemic. 

[nb360]

I haven't seen all of Candiance's video but the part that was shown looked a little like Destiny's Child's video for "Bills Bills, Bills" - in the hair salon.

[Axie]

Ashley, I’d rather live in a two bedroom $2400 a month apartment I could afford in Manassas than $13000 a month to live in a house that Michael will eventually kick you out of as soon as you can’t come up with the $13000 a month.

Edited February 6, 2023 by Axie

[Boofish]

Charisse and that Halle Berry "you not gone take my child from me" wig trying to make first contact with her eyebrows really need to go away.

How apropos that the wedding ended with Juan and Robyn literally walking the plank.

Edited February 6, 2023 by Boofish

[drivethroo]

4 hours ago, Stats Queen said:

Seriously, she is really dumb.

$13,000 a month mortgage 😳 ensuring she is dependent on Michael (well, he, I mean his LLC) owns it.

Her only source of income is the show, and she is the least accomplished one on the show. All these years on the show and she hasn’t done anything to monetize her time by starting her own business, or other ventures. I’m sure she gets social mediator influence money, but these are not guaranteed.

Ashley should have done something with her time on the show.  I would bet anything all her BRAVO money has gone to supporting Sheila, her bum boyfriend and Sheila's other children.  That was one of the main fights between Croc & Ashley, that he was tired of Sheila sucking him dry to support herself and her bum boyfriend.

The $13,000 sounds like a $2, 2.5 million dollar house in Arlington, where a ranch home will cost almost a million dollars.

3 hours ago, spunky said:

Why did she feel the need to antagonize Chris at Candiace's event? So Chris most likely lost his job at the hotel due to these disgusting women?

Ashley got the reaction she had been trying to provoke from Candiace all season from Chris.  Ironically, Candiace was the one leading Chris away from the drama (and being calm), as it's usually Chris leading Candiace away from the drama.

And this is the third season finale straight where Ashley/Michael has started some drama with Candiace/Chris.

3 hours ago, NowVoyager said:

Also, for anyone who didn't watch: Robyn & Juan got married in MD in August. Her parents were in attendance.

They got married 2 days after they took out the marriage license.  It's my understanding you have to get married in the locality you take the marriage license out at. They got the marriage license in Howard County but got married in Baltimore County, so I'm wondering if they got married in their house and then had the ceremony.

2 hours ago, Axie said:

I’d like a timeline on the Juan/woman from Canada because the casinos were closed during part of the pandemic. 

The casinos reopened in June 2020. According to Wikipedia, filming for Season 6 started in January 2021 and concluded in May 2021. So Canada/Juan had to have happened between June 2020 and May 2021 ---thats why Robyn was sleeping in and depressed & Gizelle and Juan barking at her about how unattractive that was. Contrary to what Robyn claimed, it most definitely was happening during filming time.

1 hour ago, nb360 said:

I haven't seen all of Candiance's video but the part that was shown looked a little like Destiny's Child's video for "Bills Bills, Bills" - in the hair salon.

Gizelle claims not to remember the song because those lyrics seemed written especially for her.

Charrisse looked like she was wearing Missy Elliott's "I can't stand the rain" outfit. She needs smaller implants and 30 pound weight loss ASAP.

Edited February 6, 2023 by drivethroo

[Marley]

I just wanted Robyn to shut the fuck up. Her and Gizelle are such fake ass bitches.

Ashley shut up about your lying loser friend. She’s just trying to push this fake stuff about Chris for the two bitches Robyn and Gizelle.

I don’t blame Chris for blowing up.

Mia and Charisse can go away.

Candiace and Wendy I liked during this episode. And the season actually.

I forgot that dumb medium scene. Robyn prob paid him to say what he said lol.

What was that bs wedding shit at the end and the romanticizing their shitty relationship. Get the fuck out of here lol.

Lol the tag at the end about Juan’s cheating.

Yikes Charisse’s look at the reunion.

[flummoxd]

Loved it when Robyn’s mother said Robyn and Juan bring out the best in each other -  never change, sweet, oblivious mama!  So glad you got to attend the (hypocritical) nuptials, after all.

Then we keep hearing lately about Juan and blondes - and Robyn shows up on WWHL in a long, strawberry blonde wig.  She looked stunning, but does hubby care?

 I only learned recently that Giselle is apparently an Exec. Producer of this show - no wonder she’s skated by, stirring the pot, lying, and endlessly attacking others, while lacking her own storyline and refusing to open up her life on screen.

Sure thought Ashley had more on the ball than agreeing to do a mortgage with her ex, with no more protection than her belief that Mike would treat her right - when has he ever?  Sad to see Dean so upset and apparently wanting his dad; hope that jerk doesn’t let his kids down.

[Chatty Cake]

Why was Dean looking at Ashley’s phone at phone at the restaurant? He’s a toddler. He shouldn’t be given a phone to calm him down. The house thing with Michael screams trouble in the future. What an idiot.

They keep coming for Karen and Blue Eyes. Especially funny to listen to Robyn talk about her. Karen’s denied it. Why does she have to admit if she’s stepped out? Robyn and Giselle don’t share their lives.

Charisse is gross. She did nothing but tag along with the group to mess with Karen.  She was a blob of nothing this entire season.

Ashley couldn’t hide her glee from getting a reaction out of Chris. He should have told her calmly that her friend was an ugly ass hoe that he had no interest in, after all he has Candiace. ( but I guess they would come at him for that too) He probably should have just shook his head at old idiot Ashley and turned away.

 

[nexxie]

9 hours ago, Stats Queen said:

So Robyn is sharing her bs story about Juan’s non-cheating on WWHL.

Andy, Robyn, Eboni K. Williams three of my least liked people from Bravo in one room, turning the channel now.

Watched a bit of this - Robyn is delusional, and Andy is pissed that she doesn’t bring it on his show but goes after the others for the same thing.

[Baltimore Betty]

$13,000 a month mortgage and Ashley does not really have a job? Makes me think several things, one that Michael is setting her up for failure, two their LLC is essentially her paychecks from RHOP that had been put aside.  Why in the world would Ashley put herself in a house that would not be doable without help, so risky.

Ashley taking her crying child IN to a restaurant, nope calm him down first before you go in. I did giggle though at Dean wanting to take his shirt off, such a toddler move and we have all been there with a kid.  Ashley is an idiot with Chris but she thinks if she keeps trying to talk to him he will tell her something, she needs to stop trying to make "fetch," happen. Chris didn't do anything wrong but she keeps pushing some messed up agenda, those things have been known to bite the accuser in the ass.

Charisse needs an stylist ASAP, that woolly short dress she wore to the video party was terrible.

Robyn's wedding dress was bad as was that white dress she wore to the video party.  The wedding decor looked like it cost a pretty penny for a wedding that had four guests and how much pull do you need to have to book a venue on a Wednesday afternoon?  What was the big deal about having the suits for the boys and Juan then opting not to get married in Jamaica, you got married in Maryland in the summer I hope those ugly white suits were the same ones they were planning to wear and they did not spend more money on different suits for kids that grow a foot at a time, seriously, like a Bar Mitzvah suit, 10 minutes after the Torah is rolled up and put back in the ark, boys grow out of their suits.

The video was good, catchy tune as well.

Juan felt bad for a stranger losing her wallet and feels responsible for her hotel bill...this is after she tells him she is dating a Ravens player, why didn't Juan tell her to call her football player boyfriend?  Bullshit on all of that, spin a story that makes it better for you so you can have a wedding to the same man that cheated on you the first time, riiiiight.

Mia's doctors should know that lumps do not equal leukemia, that is a blood born cancer not a tumor born cancer, Mia has to be extra going to a hematologist, blood work will tell the doctor if white blood cells are elevated.  Why not take the lumps out and have them biopsied in the first place?  Also, how in Mia's mind does Karen's having sex with a random guy (allegedly) make her a prostitute, does Karen charge these men? I think sometimes these women just want to say certain words on camera without realizing what the word really means. 

Gizelle gave the worst explanation of her needing a hysterectomy to her girls and then they are telling her how she would not have menopause, SOOOO wrong about that fact. I think those girls need to know about their reproductive organs STAT or Gizelle will be a grandmother before she knows it.

 

 

 

 

 

[Baltimore Betty]

11 hours ago, Axie said:

Why is Chris wearing petal pushers?  You have to be old to understand that reference. 

I always think about Peppermint Patty and her pedal pushers, Chris gave me that vibe.

[spunky]

7 hours ago, drivethroo said:

Ashley should have done something with her time on the show.  I would bet anything all her BRAVO money has gone to supporting Sheila, her bum boyfriend and Sheila's other children.  That was one of the main fights between Croc & Ashley, that he was tired of Sheila sucking him dry to support herself and her bum boyfriend.

The $13,000 sounds like a $2, 2.5 million dollar house in Arlington, where a ranch home will cost almost a million dollars.

Ashley got the reaction she had been trying to provoke from Candiace all season from Chris.  Ironically, Candiace was the one leading Chris away from the drama (and being calm), as it's usually Chris leading Candiace away from the drama.

And this is the third season finale straight where Ashley/Michael has started some drama with Candiace/Chris.

They got married 2 days after they took out the marriage license.  It's my understanding you have to get married in the locality you take the marriage license out at. They got the marriage license in Howard County but got married in Baltimore County, so I'm wondering if they got married in their house and then had the ceremony.

The casinos reopened in June 2020. According to Wikipedia, filming for Season 6 started in January 2021 and concluded in May 2021. So Canada/Juan had to have happened between June 2020 and May 2021 ---thats why Robyn was sleeping in and depressed & Gizelle and Juan barking at her about how unattractive that was. Contrary to what Robyn claimed, it most definitely was happening during filming time.

Gizelle claims not to remember the song because those lyrics seemed written especially for her.

Charrisse looked like she was wearing Missy Elliott's "I can't stand the rain" outfit. She needs smaller implants and 30 pound weight loss ASAP.

I honestly think that Ashley still believes she's in pagents and she has to compete against fellow pagent girl Candiace. Candiace's home cost around $1.5 million, and has around 5 or 6 bedrooms.  Ashley decided to look for homes in the same price range with the same amount of bedrooms.  The only difference is if Candiace were to leave Chris tomorrow, she could still afford her mortgage.  Ashley has to walk on eggshells because she's still dependent on Michael.

[byrd]

11 hours ago, Stats Queen said:

So Robyn is sharing her bs story about Juan’s non-cheating on WWHL.

Andy, Robyn, Eboni K. Williams three of my least liked people from Bravo in one room, turning the channel now.

Yes, Hunty ! Here's my thing about this whole scenario . Why could this mystery woman not contact the football player she flew in from Canada to see take care of her accommodations?  Why did Juan have to pay for her room? If I flew all the darn way from Canada to see a football player whom I am presumed to be in a relationship with, he would be paying for my travel expenses as well as my accommodations! 

[byrd]

33 minutes ago, spunky said:

I honestly think that Ashley still believes she's in pagents and she has to compete against fellow pagent girl Candiace. Candiace's home cost around $1.5 million, and has around 5 or 6 bedrooms.  Ashley decided to look for homes in the same price range with the same amount of bedrooms.  The only difference is if Candiace were to leave Chris tomorrow, she could still afford her mortgage.  Ashley has to walk on eggshells because she's still dependent on Michael.

Yes, and even if Candiance could not pay her mortgage, mama Dorothy certainly would. Ashely doesn't have that luxury.  

[byrd]

13 hours ago, Steph J said:

Granted, it is only 6 minutes into the episode, and perhaps I should reserve judgment until seeing how it shakes out, but holy hell is Ashley dumb. The entire nation of China does not have as many red flags as this house situation does.

Yep, and without Ashely supporting Sheila, she will be back under the bridge again. This is why Ashley pushes the messy drama on the show with these women, she's clocking into work. 

[LaurelleJ]

13 hours ago, Stats Queen said:

Seriously, she is really dumb.

$13,000 a month mortgage 😳 ensuring she is dependent on Michael (well, he, I mean his LLC) owns it.

Her only source of income is the show, and she is the least accomplished one on the show. All these years on the show and she hasn’t done anything to monetize her time by starting her own business, or other ventures. I’m sure she gets social mediator influence money, but these are not guaranteed.

On Candiace's first season, Ashley said that she was the least accomplished on the show. Ashley will forever eat those words because Candiace has used this platform beautifully. 13K a month on a mortgage for a person whose main source of income is a show that can be cancelled at any time is risky. Basically setting herself up to be dependent on Michael for the foreseeable future. Who knows, maybe that's how she wants it. 

 

11 hours ago, Ms.Lulu said:

I like that Eboni indicated that Charisse attended Karen's mom's funeral to get back on the show. Robyn was shocked.

It will be interesting to see if Robyn stays if Juan steps out again and she is no longer on the show.

My big question, did she add him to the title of the house, or is this a marriage that she can quickly exit with few financial consequences?

Robyn couldn't believe that Eboni said Charisse went to Karen's mom's funeral to get back on the show. I also like that Eboni said that Karen was the real grand dame of Potomac. 

 

2 hours ago, nexxie said:

Watched a bit of this - Robyn is delusional, and Andy is pissed that she doesn’t bring it on his show but goes after the others for the same thing.

Andy did not hold back. He asked all the questions people wanted to know. Robyn was sitting there saying she doesn't demand transparency. She has been on Karen all season to address everything, but when it was time for her to address something she was silent. She contradicted herself the entire show. She kept saying of course there are things you don't want to discuss, but that's only for her and no one else. GEB pounced on Eddie for far worse. Had Eddie, Chris, or Ray paid for the hotel room of a woman they were DM'ing on insta, the whole season would have been centered around that story. Robyn needs to stop acting like she doesn't know who her best friend is, because if this happened to ANYONE else on the cast, Gizelle would have been all over it and she knows it. With how pissed everyone is, I wouldn't be surprised to see Robyn quit the show for next season. She likely needs the income, but they will really try to deep dive into her marriage with Juan. Also, even though it has nothing to do with Robyn, they will ask her how SHE is dealing with the fallout from Juan's issues with the university. 

 

1 hour ago, Baltimore Betty said:

Juan felt bad for a stranger losing her wallet and feels responsible for her hotel bill...this is after she tells him she is dating a Ravens player, why didn't Juan tell her to call her football player boyfriend?  Bullshit on all of that, spin a story that makes it better for you so you can have a wedding to the same man that cheated on you the first time, riiiiight.

Robyn is playing in our faces and thinking we are dumb. This is the best story she can come up with and it's sad. I legit feel bad for her. I don't know any man that will go pay the hotel bill for a woman who says she is dating a pro athlete if he is not going to "get with" her.

[Bronzedog]

Time for Ashley to get another sugar daddy.  $13000 a month?  A mortgage can last for 30 years.  She can’t believe the Bravo money is going to last forever.  She’s pleasant and smart, but, does she have any real talent or skills?  There are a lot of pleasant and smart 32 year olds out there without 2 little kids.  Plus, sometimes she looks like her mother which doesn’t bode well for how she’s going to look in 10 years. Her uncle must be appalled.  Get on it, Ashley!

[byrd]

9 minutes ago, LaurelleJ said:

On Candiace's first season, Ashley said that she was the least accomplished on the show. Ashley will forever eat those words because Candiace has used this platform beautifully. 13K a month on a mortgage for a person whose main source of income is a show that can be cancelled at any time is risky. Basically setting herself up to be dependent on Michael for the foreseeable future. Who knows, maybe that's how she wants it. 

 

Robyn couldn't believe that Eboni said Charisse went to Karen's mom's funeral to get back on the show. I also like that Eboni said that Karen was the real grand dame of Potomac. 

 

Andy did not hold back. He asked all the questions people wanted to know. Robyn was sitting there saying she doesn't demand transparency. She has been on Karen all season to address everything, but when it was time for her to address something she was silent. She contradicted herself the entire show. She kept saying of course there are things you don't want to discuss, but that's only for her and no one else. GEB pounced on Eddie for far worse. Had Eddie, Chris, or Ray paid for the hotel room of a woman they were DM'ing on insta, the whole season would have been centered around that story. Robyn needs to stop acting like she doesn't know who her best friend is, because if this happened to ANYONE else on the cast, Gizelle would have been all over it and she knows it. With how pissed everyone is, I wouldn't be surprised to see Robyn quit the show for next season. She likely needs the income, but they will really try to deep dive into her marriage with Juan. Also, even though it has nothing to do with Robyn, they will ask her how SHE is dealing with the fallout from Juan's issues with the university. 

 

Robyn is playing in our faces and thinking we are dumb. This is the best story she can come up with and it's sad. I legit feel bad for her. I don't know any man that will go pay the hotel bill for a woman who says she is dating a pro athlete if he is not going to "get with" her.

Sorry I don't feel bad for Robyn at all, she's deceptive.  Juan was clearly with this woman and that's the bottom line Robyn and you know it.  Stop making up excuses for Juan's behavior. If Robyn is satisfied with this BS then I guess I am too.     

[byrd]

12 hours ago, Ms.Lulu said:

I like that Eboni indicated that Charisse attended Karen's mom's funeral to get back on the show. Robyn was shocked.

It will be interesting to see if Robyn stays if Juan steps out again and she is no longer on the show.

My big question, did she add him to the title of the house, or is this a marriage that she can quickly exit with few financial consequences?

If you noticed Robyn also didn't like that Eboni said that Karen was the Grand Dame and not Charisse. Karen is not my favorite, but she does have Grand Dame energy. 

Edited February 6, 2023 by byrd

[sATL]

10 hours ago, Boofish said:

How apropos that the wedding ended with Juan and Robyn literally walking the plank.

On WWHL, I found it odd that Robyn was at peace that Giz was not there. The rest of the women, I get, but leaving out Giz whom she shares deep secretes and friendships struck me as odd...

If only Giz was there - that would have been another war battle for the next season..I see this group of women get very petty over who attends what/where.

Anybody know what day/time frame was Giz's surgery ? Was it very close to the wedding date?

[Bronzedog]

Did Robyn mention if Juan had to leave their wedding early because he had a date?

[Ms.Lulu]

And if this were really the case, wouldn't Robyn have gone with Juan to help this poor woman out?

Nobody believes this, so why is Robyn asking us to?

And Karen is the delusional grand dame. It is a state of mind--Karen has it and Charisse doesn't.

Edited February 6, 2023 by Ms.Lulu

[sATL]

2 hours ago, Baltimore Betty said:

Gizelle gave the worst explanation of her needing a hysterectomy to her girls and then they are telling her how she would not have menopause, SOOOO wrong about that fact. I think those girls need to know about their reproductive organs STAT or Gizelle will be a grandmother before she knows it.

I missed the episode of when Giz found out - but I was ready to call the nurses line with my health ins co, myself.  I was thinking is there a type/form of hystermony where menopause would not happen? How bad are the fibroads - to get to this point, was this her only option (I thought there were several methods to get rid of fibroads), I mean I was ready to go to school myself.

With all of that said - I really wish the show did more of this - educating and showing the bond of the family unit, educating (with factual information), etc.

Dean throwing a 3 year temper tantrum  walking into the restaurant - oh boy... and Ashely has two kiddies back to back.

[DanielleBowden]

Ashley must have forgotten when Michael kicked her out of the penthouse and banished her to an extended stay hotel. She is a moron for thinking this house situation is going to be anything but fair.  I feel mostly dirty after watching this finale, just ugly, lying needlessly messy and hurtful behavior.  I'm sad for Robyn and the damage she's done to herself by swallowing that explanation and sharing it publicly.  There is no way she truly believes him, and I'm sad she doesn't know that she deserves better.

[Boofish]

Robyn giving the camera the finger and motioning to kiss her ass was the saddest part.  Girl you just won that plastic green alien at a carnival game booth. Calm TF down Bozo.

[Boofish]

13 minutes ago, sATL said:

I missed the episode of when Giz found out - but I was ready to call the nurses line with my health ins co, myself.  I was thinking is there a type/form of hystermony where menopause would not happen? How bad are the fibroads - to get to this point, was this her only option (I thought there were several methods to get rid of fibroads), I mean I was ready to go to school myself.

With all of that said - I really wish the show did more of this - educating and showing the bond of the family unit, educating (with factual information), etc.

Dean throwing a 3 year temper tantrum  walking into the restaurant - oh boy... and Ashely has two kiddies back to back.

This happened to me in 2020. Fibroids are not dangerous (unless you are child bearing age) but they can make periods very painful to the point you cannot function normally. Not to go too much into detail but I was losing so much blood during my cycle at one point I needed a transfusion. At our age (mine and Gizelle; I was 53) realistically you don't need your baby house anymore so the best course is to remove it because fibroids will come back. My hysterectomy revealed I had adenomyosis which ironically having a hysterectomy is the only way to be diagnosed. So just removing my fibroids would not have solved my problem. I went thru a lot more but that is a the simple explanation and from what G was telling her girls (including them letting her keep her ovaries) it sounds like she and I have the exact same issues. Her personality aside, I'm glad it went well and I hope she is recovering. It was the worse experience of my life and to wake up from surgery healed is a feeling I cannot explain.

Also I excused her girls for asking such dumb questions because at my last doctor check in I said "see you for my annual exam" and he said "exactly what did you want me to examine" 😂 I was 53. No excuse for not realizing I never needed to see him again.

Edited February 6, 2023 by Boofish

[amarante]

I have to believe there is more to what is going on with the house and the alimony than Ashley is actually stating.

She claimed that she had forced Michael into signing a new prenup (or whatever it is called during marriage) that was more favorable than the actual prenup

There actually is no reason for Ashley to receive spousal support since she makes and has been making a very high salary - let's assume that her income from the show is $500,000 per season plus all of the ways she monetizes social media. True she hasn't started an actual business the way some housewives had but I don't really think most of them are that lucrative anyway - with some exceptions.

Michael Darby is on the hook for child support and that is based on his income as well as Ashley's income. The court always has the final say in terms of what the appropriate level of child support is and if Ashley lost all her income she would have the right to go back to court and get it adjusted so that the children received a lifestyle commensurate with Michael's income. 

I am not shocked that Ashley doesn't "own" the house. That was probably a negotiated decision in terms of how the marital assets were divided. I honestly don't believe that Ashley had no attorney because Michael isn't stupid enough to not have Ashley get representation because otherwise any agreement they came to would be easily negated - you need competent representation plus access to the finances in order for even a prenup to be upheld - let alone financial agreements for a divorce.

Maybe I am lacking in reproductive knowledge, but the whole issue of menopause was very bizarre because when you have a hysterectomy - at any age - you go into menopause. It is known as "surgical menopause". 

Also Gizelle is 52 and she is most likely already experiencing menopause - or at least peri menopause. 

[Boofish]

17 minutes ago, amarante said:

Maybe I am lacking in reproductive knowledge, but the whole issue of menopause was very bizarre because when you have a hysterectomy - at any age - you go into menopause. It is known as "surgical menopause". 

Also Gizelle is 52 and she is most likely already experiencing menopause - or at least peri menopause. 

If your ovaries are not removed this is not true.

I was 53 with normal hormone levels. Had it not been for the fibroids, I could have just allowed nature to run it's course.

[Baltimore Betty]

1 minute ago, Boofish said:

If your ovaries are not removed this is not true.

I was 53 with normal hormone levels. Had it not been for the fibroids, I could have just allowed nature to run it's course.

At 48 I had a partial hysterectomy due to fibroids, (pain and the periods, oy vey), I did not have menopause symptoms for years because I kept my ovaries but when those symptoms arrived, oy vey, lol. 

Gizelle's daughter who asked how Gizelle could pee if she had fibroids, oy vey.

Gizelle could have offered up the fact that fibroids are not cancerous, it might have made it less scary for her girls. Unless you are Mia then you would leave it on the table as if it was the most precarious health crises ever to be had, maybe.

[StillHere]

This show sux.

The cast's main existence is attacking husbands/families. And It has been for years, not just this season.

No other HW cast is as toxic as Potomac.

 

[Ms.Lulu]

47 minutes ago, Boofish said:

This happened to me in 2020. Fibroids are not dangerous (unless you are child bearing age) but they can make periods very painful to the point you cannot function normally. Not to go too much into detail but I was losing so much blood during my cycle at one point I needed a transfusion. At our age (mine and Gizelle; I was 53) realistically you don't need your baby house anymore so the best course is to remove it because fibroids will come back. My hysterectomy revealed I had adenomyosis which ironically having a hysterectomy is the only way to be diagnosed. So just removing my fibroids would not have solved my problem. I went thru a lot more but that is a the simple explanation and from what G was telling her girls (including them letting her keep her ovaries) it sounds like she and I have the exact same issues. Her personality aside, I'm glad it went well and I hope she is recovering. It was the worse experience of my life and to wake up from surgery healed is a feeling I cannot explain.

Also I excused her girls for asking such dumb questions because at my last doctor check in I said "see you for my annual exam" and he said "exactly what did you want me to examine" 😂 I was 53. No excuse for not realizing I never needed to see him again.

I had a hysterectomy and ovaries removed at 51. The doctors left a cervical stump, so I still get pap smears.

[StillHere]

Potomac is going to be cancelled in a year if production doesn't take back control of the show. The inmates are running the asylum and that's not why people watch the show. 

[Boofish]

38 minutes ago, StillHere said:

This show sux.

The cast's main existence is attacking husbands/families. And It has been for years, not just this season.

No other HW cast is as toxic as Potomac.

 

Beverly Hills but I agree

[sATL]

53 minutes ago, StillHere said:

This show sux.

The cast's main existence is attacking husbands/families. And It has been for years, not just this season.

No other HW cast is as toxic as Potomac.

 

I sure would like to know what happened to Chris's job. All of the "made me feel unconfortable" about what did/didn't happened with whom could cost a person their job.

Edited February 6, 2023 by sATL

[drivethroo]

1 hour ago, spunky said:

I honestly think that Ashley still believes she's in pagents and she has to compete against fellow pagent girl Candiace.

Ashley will never see it for Candiace until 1) Ashley resolves her resentment towards Sheila being a barnacle and 2) Ashley stops being a barnacle herself.

Michael knows Ashley is a barnacle like her mother which is why he did not want to have children with her.

1 hour ago, spunky said:

Candiace's home cost around $1.5 million, and has around 5 or 6 bedrooms.  Ashley decided to look for homes in the same price range with the same amount of bedrooms. 

I'll defend Ashley here with this one. I don't think Ashley was trying to compete with Candiace as far as price/style of home.  Michael may require Ashley to stay in the Arlington area as part of the child custody agreement and Arlington is super expensive. The part of Arlington where Ashley could afford a house on her own, I'm pretty sure Michael doesn't want his kids over there. I don't think Ashley was trying to compete with Candiace as far as a house is concerned.

Where Ashley is tight about Candiace's house is  Candiace wasn't dependent upon the whims of her husband to buy her that house . Candiace got what Ashley wanted, again, and it's not fair so Ashley decided to take Candiace down a peg by concocting the story about Chris sliding in her DMs and trying to tell Candiace that Chris was asking how to get to Sesame Street.

1 hour ago, byrd said:

If you noticed Robyn also didn't like that Eboni said that Karen was the Grand Dame and not Charisse. Karen is not my favorite, but she does have Grand Dame energy. 

Charrisse is the actual "Grande Dame" of Potomac the area but Karen is the "Grande Dame" of Potomac the show. The two are not the same. Robyn & Charrisse want Charrisse to be recognized as the "Grande Dame" of Potomac the show and that's not going to happen because Charrisse doesn't have what it takes to be Grande Dame of the show.

2 hours ago, LaurelleJ said:

Robyn is playing in our faces and thinking we are dumb. This is the best story she can come up with and it's sad. I legit feel bad for her. I don't know any man that will go pay the hotel bill for a woman who says she is dating a pro athlete if he is not going to "get with" her.

I'm not sure where most of the Ravens players live but their facility is in Owings Mills, a good 30 minutes away from the hotel outside of BWI. If she was flying down to get it in with the Ravens player, why not Uber it out to a hotel in Owings Mills? Or a hotel closer to the stadium in Baltimore? Why are you staying at the hotel 15 minutes from where Robyn & Juan live?

2 hours ago, byrd said:

Juan was clearly with this woman and that's the bottom line Robyn and you know it.  Stop making up excuses for Juan's behavior. If Robyn is satisfied with this BS then I guess I am too.     

Juan's cheating is not the problem. Juan likes to avoid conflict. The problem is he was "bored" during the pandemic ...3 months after he got engaged to Robyn. He had issues with Robyn not taking care of herself, the household, the children etc and instead of talking to her about it (or helping her around the house or with the children), he entertains this lady from Canada. He probably thought it was safe to do because the border was shut down and he never thought this lady would actually fly down from Canada so nothing would come of it. But she flew down, Juan got curious and decided to see what was going on instead of confronting his problems with Robyn.  Juan wanting to avoid the hard parts of life with Robyn is why they will divorce again, not him cheating. Cheating is a symptom of the problem, not the problem.

Juan will actually have the same problem with any woman he's with. He could leave Robyn for the Georgetown woman or the Canada woman today and he will grow bored and frustrated with bills, taking out the trash, problems with children, sad days, household responsibilities etc and cheat on that woman too.

Robyn, for whatever reason, only feels comfortable with Juan.  Never have I seen her have any chemistry with any man on this show so I don't think it's as simple as "go get another man" because IMO Robyn will not have chemistry with any man so it's not going to work.

[drivethroo]

1 hour ago, sATL said:

On WWHL, I found it odd that Robyn was at peace that Giz was not there. The rest of the women, I get, but leaving out Giz whom she shares deep secretes and friendships struck me as odd...

Robyn didn't even want her parents there so I don't find it odd she was fine with Gizelle not being there. 

 

1 hour ago, DanielleBowden said:

Ashley must have forgotten when Michael kicked her out of the penthouse and banished her to an extended stay hotel. She is a moron for thinking this house situation is going to be anything but fair. 

Ashley knows accepting this situation was the only way she was going to get a house out of Michael. She needs to remember how Michael evicted Sheila out of her house in Season 2.

 

[luckyroll3]

I really hope that during the reunion, they show all the instances of Chris straight up ignoring every single one of these women who claimed he was hitting on them and/or ogling them. Folks really are getting so desperate to be on camera it's embarrassing. Gizelle and Ashley both trying to start something with him at the party, and Ashley ignoring Candiace's wishes to do was beyond. And Ashley can miss me with all that, "Well what did I say. I don't understand why we can't just discuss it. Aren't we all adults?" Clearly not. Several of them all season have been pushing the sentiment that if you don't like someone you should be forced to hang out with and talk to them. Yeah, no. If I don't like you, I am not engaging with you, you are not invited to my events, I will not be at any of yours, and if we happen to be in the same space, I will say good morning/afternoon/evening, but that it is not an invitation to engage in any type of conversation. I am here for Chris saying he doesn't want to talk to Gizelle or Ashley (or apologize for something he didn't do) and for Karen ignoring Cherrisse all damn day, every single time. 

[qtpye]

2 hours ago, DanielleBowden said:

Ashley must have forgotten when Michael kicked her out of the penthouse and banished her to an extended stay hotel. She is a moron for thinking this house situation is going to be anything but fair.  I feel mostly dirty after watching this finale, just ugly, lying needlessly messy and hurtful behavior.  I'm sad for Robyn and the damage she's done to herself by swallowing that explanation and sharing it publicly.  There is no way she truly believes him, and I'm sad she doesn't know that she deserves better.

People have been calling for Robyn and Gizzy to be fired, well, I am going to add Ashley to that list.

Ashley has no stories without Michael's scandals.

He refuses to film and that makes her boring.

Also, I think the worst dressed has to transfer from Gizzy to Ashley. 

She really looked horrible this season. Her clothes looked cheap and thirsty. They also did nothing for her banging body.

[Crazydoxielady]

Robin was always the most boring housewife on Potomac. This cheating scandal is the icing on the cake, she needs to go. To try to monetize off of it all but announcing the details on paid Patreon is beyond the pale. Juan has been checked out for many years, and he has another scandal brewing at his job which could land him in court. Robin seriously needs intensive therapy to figure out why she wants to be with a man who has zero interest in her, insults her, and cheats on her left and right. Then, she rewards him by marrying him? And this was the last scene of Potomac?! Like we care?!! 

Robin needs to go. Periodttttt. 

[Rlb8031]

2 hours ago, drivethroo said:

I'm not sure where most of the Ravens players live but their facility is in Owings Mills, a good 30 minutes away from the hotel outside of BWI. If she was flying down to get it in with the Ravens player, why not Uber it out to a hotel in Owings Mills? Or a hotel closer to the stadium in Baltimore? Why are you staying at the hotel 15 minutes from where Robyn & Juan live?

See this was the only thing I did believe about this story. If a woman is "dating" a Ravens player AND talking to Juan, odds are she is a professional sidepiece. That being the case, the FB player wants her the distance of plausible deniability, not 5 minutes away from the facility where any of his co-workers, their wives or girlfriends who might be in the area could spot his car in the hotel parking lot. 

Having said that "Juan felt sorry for her" is high-school levels of ridiculousness.

[luckyroll3]

Forgot to mention how dumb is Robyn that she remarried this perpetually cheating fool without finalizing her prenup?!?!?!??! (Also, low key I love production for putting both her and Mia on blast in the ending screens. #soshady)

[drivethroo]

16 minutes ago, luckyroll3 said:

Forgot to mention how dumb is Robyn that she remarried this perpetually cheating fool without finalizing her prenup?!?!?!??! (Also, low key I love production for putting both her and Mia on blast in the ending screens. #soshady)

No, it was actually smart of Robyn to leave that out.

The infidelity clause would only make sense if the income roles were reversed.  If Juan was making his NBA money, the infidelity clause makes sense. Robyn can exit the marriage with an inconvenience fee.

But Juan broke. He might be losing his job. Robyn is the primary breadwinner.  If the infidelity clause was in there and Robyn cheated, Juan could take her for half and more.  He could take that house away from her and be living nice spending Robyn's money on some chick from Georgetown, Canada etc.

If they truly did get legally married on August 24, that was before the lawsuit came out so I don't think the marriage had anything to do with the lawsuit or Juan losing his job but more about giving a literal middle finger to Canada chick, Georgetown chick, Karen, the RHOP cast, fans who call her Juan's roommate, etc.