S12.E19: We Need to Talk About Kathy

[CallmeCray]

1 hour ago, Surrealist said:

For once I'm watching WWHL because Garcelle is on, and I love that she's sorry about few things on the show.

She is absolutely my all-time favorite housewife.  Authentic, honest, fair, and principled.  I can’t even think of one other BH housewife with those qualities, now that I think about it!!  

How in the hell did she end up here?! 😂

[realityplease]

Rinna abruptly left Crystal's home. Why?? Because Rinna couldn't let Kathy move past the meltdown ("sweep things under the rug") & receive acceptance from the group.  (Jealous busybody much?)

Why no details? This has been teased for months & 4 Aspen segments - and we're still waiting for this dumb mystery to play out.  We've heard no racist/homophobic statements & nothing much except "taking down Bravo" & "destroying Kyle." We don't know much about what happened at the Club or after (no cameras at the private club - but what about in the sprinter or the house?)  We're left with lying, scheming Rinna's vague words. If it involves the sisters, why not let THEM work things out.  Why should Rinna insert herself into the middle? (Well, we know why - purely for attention & to cover up her own lack of a story line.)

Erika's also mad that Kathy seems to be getting a pass. Erika thinks that if her behavior is scrutinized, than Kathy's should be too.  But the situations are not analogous.  Erika only wants Kathy's conduct scrutinized because "misery loves company." 

The difference is that Kathy seems to be mad AS A RESULT of some situation that took place - while Erika goes ballistic at any inquiry ABOUT her RESPONSE to her situation.  Practically foaming at the mouth, Erika deems any inquiry as tantamount to an ACCUSATION that she's been involved in Tom's misdeeds.  In fact, the housewives aren't going there. They're not pushing back on her attempt to paint herself as the clueless wife.  As such, Erika's vague unsupported statements that other housewives "are hiding things" make me question why Erika is focused on this angle. If she's looking at who's HIDING things (too) than I have to think, what is she hiding or trying to hide???  Hmmmm. 

[hoodooznoodooz]

When Dorit fretted that Kathy’s meltdown was going to adversely affect Kyle the most, and that she was concerned for Kyle, Erika was silent. She’s still angry at Kyle.

Edited September 22, 2022 by hoodooznoodooz

[Surrealist]

1 hour ago, CallmeCray said:

 How in the hell did she end up here?! 

I'm guessing she uses the show as promotional tool. I probably wouldn't do that if in her shoes, but I'm glad she's on because it makes the show more bearable. I like having a HW who doesn't run around kissing everyone's ass.

22 minutes ago, realityplease said:

Rinna abruptly left Crystal's home. Why?? 

Because she's suffering from PTSD, damn it! 🤣

Edited September 22, 2022 by Surrealist

[leslieo54]

1 hour ago, hoodooznoodooz said:

Chocolate is a luxury.

It’s a luxury.

It’s a luxury.

It’s a real luxury.

This is a luxury chocolate.

That’s what we were just saying! It’s a luxury!

[Surrealist]

6 hours ago, RoseAllDay said:

Don’t forget Kim, who Rinna said was “near death,” and then when confronted with it, looked shocked and claimed amnesia.

Ha! Good times. This was back when Rinna was at her most "soap opera-ish" self.

The over-the-top proclamations and then pretending she never said any of those things (despite the fact she said everything on camera), until deciding to go full-on evil persona in later seasons.

[hoodooznoodooz]

WWHL:

Both Garcelle and Dorit think that G doesn’t have to make Erika look bad; Erika makes herself look bad.

G and D don’t believe Rinna was trying to take a dig at Kathy, by ordering 818. (?!?!)

G and D both think that Erika should show more compassion for the plane crash victims, burn victims, etc.

I think they even both agreed that Erika should have turned over the earrings, not refused and not appealed.

[Surrealist]

6 hours ago, psychoticstate said:

What is Erika wearing?  At first I thought she was going for Statute of Liberty if the Statute of Liberty had a bad wig, was unsympathetic and suffered with vocal fry but whoever said Maleficent nailed it.  

Diana threw that shade.

The only brief moment I've liked anything about her.

[hoodooznoodooz]

Asher somehow looks even younger wearing a suit. Like he’s playing dress-up.

[swankie]

On 9/20/2022 at 8:13 AM, 65mickey said:

Whenever the reality TV shows need an "original" party theme they turn to a roaring 20's sometimes known as a Gatsby theme.

Is it just me or was that the driest, dullest Gatsby party ever?  No music, just sit around and make snide remarks about everybody you don't like?  I wouldn't want to get all dressed up for that. 

[Surrealist]

5 hours ago, Bronzedog said:

Storm the dog probably had her feelings hurt during the trip.  She probably always thought she was a good girl and didn’t understand why she had been chosen to be in the middle of that cluster f@@k of a trip.

She was the best behaved of all the bitches. 😉

[janiema]

5 hours ago, Talented Tenth said:

Social media and message boards are a study in bias.  People who have likable personas are given passes and the benefit of the doubt while everything is spun negatively about people who are deemed unlikable.  We don't even know everything Kathy said yet or what she will admit to, yet people are already sweeping it under the rug.  Why?  Because she pulls off her Rose Nylund act?  None of us really know her.

It’s amazing that so many of us dislike unlikeable cast members. 

[Surrealist]

3 hours ago, Mar said:

I was thinking the same thing! Ridiculous overacting, so very dramatic!

The award for Best Cackle in a Reality Show.

2 hours ago, ZettaK said:

Sutton who is reliable said she saw Kathy's behavior at the club, as well though.

She did. She's the one who brought up the Conga thing.

[Surrealist]

2 hours ago, SemiCharmedLife said:

And the fact that it is Rinna saying how bad Kathy was just defies credibility because Rinna has displayed the most foul behavior over the years including several huge blow ups this year and the absolutely insane threatening Kim with a broken glass in Amsterdam. 

Not to mention that part, right before breaking the wine glass, where Rinna lunged at Kim as if she were going to choke her.

She was completely out of control in that moment.

[CallmeCray]

12 hours ago, Talented Tenth said:

None of my comments attacked Kathy.  I'm going to wait for more information to come out, but it's clear that she behaved badly and said some bad things.  So many people are ready to downplay and dismiss it simply because she's been funny and kooky on the show and because it was Lisa who saw the worst of the meltdown.  Yes, Erika and Rinna have behaved badly, but that doesn't mean that Kathy gets a pass.  If they need to be held accountable for their behavior, so does Kathy.  She doesn't get to be above it all.  She voluntarily signed up for the show just like them.  Also, Kathy 'raised' Paris and Baron who both have displayed reprehensible behavior.  I've always side-eyed her.

Yes, I’m unapologetically willing to downplay and/or dismiss it because the whole damn “she said/she said” situation boils down to one thing: CREDIBILITY.  Lisa Rinna has NONE, as far as I’m concerned.   

I don’t think anyone here buys Kathy’s ditzy role, either.  It’s been discussed quite often.  She could very well be the asshole some believe her to be, or have even witnessed, but in THIS particular situation, there will always be a big question mark as long as Lying Lips Rinna is the only witness.  

Edited September 22, 2022 by CallmeCray

[Hiyo]

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Rinna talking about this as if she were talking about surviving a plane crash or a terrorist attack.

Why, it was so bad she almost hired Tom Girardi to represent her...

[Hiyo]

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That’s what we were just saying! It’s a luxury!

It's a chic luxury.

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Diana threw that shade.

Yeah, but this is Diana...for all we know, she could have just been mispronouncing magnificent...

[Vanderboom]

5 hours ago, Surrealist said:

Sure, Dorit. You've never lobbed any grenades at anyone.

Dorit has a tendency to frame Garcelle in the worst light. Garcelle can be a shit-stirrer, but it's disingenuous to act as if this is a Special Garcelle Thing when Rinna and Kyle could both teach a graduate course on it.

5 hours ago, Surrealist said:

Erika, if you have the 411 on everyone in the group, quit dropping hints and just say it already.

Erika will never act like a straightforward adult. If Erika just reveals her information, she loses the leverage that being mysterious about it gives her.

6 hours ago, goofygirl said:

Maybe Mikey was on vacay!

When they showed Erika getting ready, I said "No Mikey?" And then I hated myself so very much.

2 hours ago, hoodooznoodooz said:

When Dorit fretted that Kathy’s meltdown was going to adversely Kyle the most, and that she was concerned for Kyle, Erika was silent. She’s still angry at Kyle.

I'm okay with this. They both have been abominable toward Sutton.

[JD5166]

7 hours ago, dbell1 said:

LVP had other shows, promoted her items and the coven went for her. Supposedly after rumors went out about her getting yet another show. She quit.

Denise signed for more $$ than the coven and was famous in real life, not reality life.  The coven went after her and she quit.

Sutton was their next target. But she thankfully has Garcelle and is holding her own. 

Enter Kathy Hilton. Hotel fortune, real estate fortune, famous daughters, a lifestyle that these harpies can’t touch. Real estate porn, a butler, caviar on baked potatoes for lunch. The woman is loaded. And last year’s most popular howife. Supposedly held out for more $$ this year. And the flop 5 have now focused on her. The digs, the comments about her shilling. These hags sell everything on this show, and the others all show up and support and don’t talk crap. We got PLASTIC LICENSE PLATES and they were called “chic”. Rinna and lipstick. Erika and hair extensions. Dorit doing beachwear. Kyle and poly blend caftans EVERY SEASON. But someone talking up vodka is something to mock?

Why the double standard? It’s jealousy. They hide their skeletons and lawsuits and pick a victim. No Rinna, you lie too much to be believed. 

There are so many wonderful posts about this boring AF episode (including yours!)  but I am cracking up that you’re the second person to mention Kathy’s vodka....when it’s actually tequila! Lol 

[Chatty Cake]

If a housewife has a meltdown off camera, did the meltdown happen? 

 

[rlc]

Rinna's 83,793rd retelling of the story will include the previously forgotten details (because of her PTSD, obvs) that Kathy whipped out a previously concealed machete, beheaded three employees of the private club in one fell swoop, made cocktails from their blood with Casa Del Sol Tequila™, then went into a further rage when she realized that none of this was being filmed so therefore, once again, her tequila would not be promoted on the show. Once she entered the Sprinter™ with Lisa, she proceeded to tell Rinna about all of the cocktails she would make with the Casa Del Sol Tequila™, the blood of every cast member's families, and Harry Hamlin's tomato sauce, some served in the ever-so-chic Jamie Lee Curtis to-go cups (they keep things cold and hot). It pairs beautifully with a massive baked potato and gobs of caviar.

Ooooof.

Edited September 22, 2022 by rlc

[Keywestclubkid]

4 hours ago, hoodooznoodooz said:

Erika’s makeup artist HATES her.

Kathy and her is that on purpose lol 

[QQQQ]

The only thing I learned from this week's episode was the term "sprinter." Aside from that, it was another...

[Lassus]

None of this shit is on camera, none of it, so everyone's supposed to believe THESE relentless lying weirdos about what actually happened?

[Lassus]

9 hours ago, Talented Tenth said:

We don't even know everything Kathy said yet or what she will admit to, yet people are already sweeping it under the rug.

How do you sweep something unknown & invisible under a rug?  That doesn't even make sense.

[SweetieDarling]

1 hour ago, rlc said:

Rinna's 83,793rd retelling of the story will include the previously forgotten details (because of her PTSD, obvs) that Kathy whipped out a previously concealed machete, beheaded three employees of the private club in one fell swoop, made cocktails from their blood with Casa Del Sol Tequila™, then went into a further rage when she realized that none of this was being filmed so therefore, once again, her tequila would not be promoted on the show. Once she entered the Sprinter™ with Lisa, she proceeded to tell Rinna about all of the cocktails she would make with the Casa Del Sol Tequila™, the blood of every cast member's families, and Harry Hamlin's tomato sauce, some served in the ever-so-chic Jamie Lee Curtis to-go cups (they keep things cold and hot). It pairs beautifully with a massive baked potato and gobs of caviar.

Ooooof.

How many times did the sprinter van roll over on the way back to Kyle's house?

[Hiyo]

That depends, was it before or after it got trapped under a waterfall as they were trying to avoid the blazing forest fires Aspen is so noted for?

[hoodooznoodooz]

If a Kardashian joined the cast and became a fan favorite, how soon after would Rinna try to bully her off?

[SweetieDarling]

9 hours ago, BusyOctober said:

This whole “Kathy said horrible things” build up has been exhausting.  I am sure nothing will be clarified.  We will ever hear the real story.  I am sure Kathy was still feeling pissed about the stupid tequila snub from all the girls, and for Kyle and Mauricio being so dismissive.  She probably had a few drinks or took some meds and her anger turned into bitchy comments that she may not have said when sober.  I just do not believe Rinna’s exaggeration of what was said or done.

I agree. Kyle has been all over Kathy since she arrived: the slippers, her bag, her clothes, calling her high maintenance for wanting napkins and silverware... She was practically ignored when she tried to get everyone to taste her tequila, and then the incident at Kemo Sabe with Rinna loudly and obnoxiously ordering her "good friend's" tequila while Kathy's was sitting right there. I think more happened at the club than no one wanting to conga-line with her, and she had enough of the bs. 

I am also guessing that Rinna volunteered to go home with Kathy for no other reason than to fake compassion to get Kathy to say something that could be used against her (her standard m.o.). 

Who knows what was said, but if she went ballistic on everyone, I would LOVE to know what she said. I have a feeling a lot of it was true. 😉

[65mickey]

8 hours ago, Cherrio said:

I am not saying Kyle is a saint, but I think she just wants her family to get along. She is addicted to wishing, hoping and the drama.

If this is true why doesn't she tell Rinna to stop it. This is between Kyle and Kathy. Kyle needs to tell Rinna to move along and stay out of her family's issues. But she won't. She let Rinna trash Kim and she did nothing to stop it. 

At the beginning of RHBH she threw around Paris and Kathy's names every chance she got. Now she figures she doesn't need them anymore  because she so important so she'll stick with the coven and leave her sister leave out to dry. 

[cathaireverywhere]

I am not at all surprised that Crystal is a grown ass adult who celebrates a "birthday week."  

[Misslindsey]

15 minutes ago, cathaireverywhere said:

I am not at all surprised that Crystal is a grown ass adult who celebrates a "birthday week."  

Eh I know a lot of adults who say this. At least she didn’t say it was birthday month, because I do know some people who do that. Sometimes I say birthday week, because a lot of my friends and family will ask to do something for my birthday like dinners, concerts, winery visits or other events around my actual birthday. So it sometimes feels like a birthday week, because every day/night is celebrating with different people. So I will confess that I have said it as a grown ass adult too. 

[byrd]

12 hours ago, SassyCat said:

What a scuzz bucket move it was for Sheree to secretly open Garcelles card to Crystal and add her name in huge green marker color. This after her ONE line during the whole Aspen trip about her constipation. So entertaining 😐

That pissed me off also. What a sleezy thing to do.  Sheree added nothing to this season. 

[RoseAllDay]

9 hours ago, Cherrio said:

Just speculating here, but I think most of the problems with Kyle, Kim, and Kathy stem from Big Kathy and how they were raised.

The 3 of them talk about her as if she was a wonderful loving mother, but there is some truth out there that she was anything but.    Of course abused and exploited children/adults often make up stories or embellish for many reasons.

Little Kim was supporting her family while Big Kathy groomed all three how to snag a rich guy. Little Kathy was expected to marry big time and she did.  Kim did too, but the drugs and drinking took their toll.

I am not saying Kyle is a saint, but I think she just wants her family to get along. She is addicted to wishing, hoping and the drama.

Kathy to me looks medicated. Walking thru an airport in slippers like us mortals wear in private?  Making a fuss about her tequilia? Who knows whats wrong with her, but we all know the biggest rule in that family is to NEVER let anyone know whats really going on.

I do agree the whole cast has dirt and hidden secrets, but look where they live. In the city of make believe. Its all fake and fucked up.

Some families are just broken. Period.

I totally get Kyle’s grief over the fact that the relationship among the sisters has never been good. But there comes a time when the truth has to be faced — otherwise, you end up destroying yourself over something that can never be saved. How many times over the seasons have we seen them try to patch things up? I recall Kyle and Kim ultimately getting into screaming matches. Kyle’s passive-aggressiveness toward Kathy has been on full display this year. It begins nicely enough, but then all the little digs and condesension start.

It’s not healthy. They should all just focus on their own families to make sure this toxic behavior isn’t passed down to other generations.

As for the slippers — hell, at WORK I see people walking around in them all the time. Wearing them at the airport? Meh. Might as well make yourself comfortable. It wasn’t like they were boudoir-type mules. The tequila — everyone on these shows shills whatever crap their name’s on, so Kathy’s no different in that regard. Remember Rinna’s wine? I had a bigger issue with Rinna loudly and unnecessarily making the point of not drinking the tequila, which I think is what truly set Kathy off in the first place.

[Keywestclubkid]

4 minutes ago, byrd said:

That pissed me off also. What a sleezy thing to do.  Sheree added nothing to this season. 

You could tell that Garcelle was over it at the party with her No its not after she tried to glom onto the idea that it was from both of them.. how hard would it have been to just get a cheap bottle of wine? you dont go to someones party without some gift especially a birthday party .. she is tacky AF

[Hiyo]

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I had a bigger issue with Rinna loudly and unnecessarily making the point of not drinking the tequila, which I think is what truly set Kathy off in the first place.

Imagine if Kathy or Sutton or Garcelle had said "This is ok but Lisa Vanderpump's rosé is so much better."

[Slakkie]

1 hour ago, Lassus said:

None of this shit is on camera, none of it, so everyone's supposed to believe THESE relentless lying weirdos about what actually happened?

And the ONLY witness to this is the worst narrator on the show (an considering the Pretty Mess is on the show that says something).  It seems like every discussion adds more drama to the situation.

And WHERE is the footage?  I mean why did Rinna while safely locked in her room not film HER reaction.  The thing is Rinna is way too camera savy - if there was anything then why not show the texts or have film.

The only thing I can think of is Kathy did a Cease and Desist and the film was destroyed.  But considering that she and Rinna obviously were the leaks that we all heard about before the season started and those leaks are not matching what we see.  Those pants of Rinna's are on fire.

And we know Erika has no soul towards burn victims so.....

[Jel]

11 hours ago, ZettaK said:

Kathy made negative comments about Kyle. And allegedly against two employees at a club before that. 

Kathy admitted that her behavior was not proper in Aspen in a talking head/interview.

Paris Hilton used racial slurs in the past.

Erika still plays the victim. And no, she cannot demand compassion from the group when she doesn't show any herself toward the victims.

Sheree doesn't think the earrings should be returned if there is a court order to do so?

Do you happen know the source of these allegations against the club employees? I've seen this mentioned in this forum quite a few times, but haven't been able to find the actual source: who was the person who said Kathy used the n word? I'm wondering, was it the employees themselves, other members of the club, one of the HWs?  So far we've seen no mention of it on the show. Maybe it's coming, but Rinna already threw out the kitchen sink last night with her claim that Kathy was raging, Kathy Hilton is the devil, Kathy went after Kyle, the other HWs, CBS, ABC, NBC, Bravo, The Franklin Mint,, Charlie Babbitt, the lady from the Where's the Beef commercial...so it seems odd that she neglected to mention it at the time. 

To me, it felt orchestrated. Like kind of a typical Rinna/FF5 plan to take someone down.  Just something very off about the way Erika was behaving as well (way too calm and way too emotionally regulated, a skill she does not possess in real life). None of it adds up.  But if there's a source somewhere out there, some person who claims she heard this, I would love to know.

[65mickey]

37 minutes ago, SweetieDarling said:

I am also guessing that Rinna volunteered to go home with Kathy for no other reason than to fake compassion to get Kathy to say something that could be used against her (her standard m.o.). 

Exactly! And she also thought that Kathy was drunk and possibly medicated so she could make stuff up and exaggerate what Kathy said. And if Kathy denied saying what she was accused of Rinna would say you were too drunk to remember. That's why she took her away by herself in the van and got her alone in the house. 

Now has it been determined that there were no cameras or microphones back at Kyles house while Kathy was supposedly on her rampage? Because if any of this is on film I have a feeling we will see this at the reunion if it happened. And I have my doubts that it did. 

[pasdetrois]

I've chosen to not watch the last three episodes, relying on this forum for updates and the snark.

If this latest episode failed to reveal details that were hinted, then Bravo will 1) slowly roll them out via texts, social media and the reunion or 2) reveal nothing because Kathy's attorneys intervened.

Kathy's on the show for promotional purposes. Her ditziness is exaggerated for the cameras. Sometimes "slippers in the airport" is a snob's disdain for society's polite rules. I do think she is medicated.

Edited September 22, 2022 by pasdetrois

[Cosmocrush]

7 hours ago, Surrealist said:

I thought I was going to die in my seat. Rinna talking about this as if she were talking about surviving a plane crash or a terrorist attack.

And isn't it interesting that everyone else at the party seemed fine?   Someone having a screaming meltdown is just another Tuesday for this crowd - which is lucky for Rinna since she is often the one going off the rails. 

Edited September 22, 2022 by Cosmocrush

[RoseAllDay]

3 minutes ago, Jel said:

Do you happen know the source of these allegations against the club employees? I've seen this mentioned in this forum quite a few times, but haven't been able to find the actual source: who was the person who said Kathy used the n word? I'm wondering, was it the employees themselves, other members of the club, one of the HWs?  So far we've seen no mention of it on the show. Maybe it's coming, but Rinna already threw out the kitchen sink last night with her claim that Kathy was raging, Kathy Hilton is the devil, Kathy went after Kyle, the other HWs, CBS, ABC, NBC, Bravo, The Franklin Mint,, Charlie Babbitt, the lady from the Where's the Beef commercial...so it seems odd that she neglected to mention it at the time. 

To me, it felt orchestrated. Like kind of a typical Rinna/FF5 plan to take someone down.  Just something very off about the way Erika was behaving as well (way too calm and way too emotionally regulated, a skill she does not possess in real life). None of it adds up.  But if there's a source somewhere out there, some person who claims she heard this, I would love to know.

This is all anyone needs to know.

Rinna is doing her “I’ve got a secret” crap for a reason, and it’s no coincidence that immediately after she left Erika and Diana went into a huddle to baselessly speculate about it, using Rinna’s “info” as the Gospel.

I cosign with everyone who says Kathy’s mistake was being with Rinna in the first place. Mother Teresa could be with Rinna and Rinna would spread shit about her. Rinna has proven herself to be an exaggerator (Yolanda’s Munchausen’s) and liar (Kim being “near death”). This kind of stuff can do real damage to reputations, and the people she slanders fight back at their own risk.

Rinna needs to GO. Nobody wants to watch this shit.

[Lassus]

16 minutes ago, Slakkie said:

And WHERE is the footage?

Sure, the lack of anything with JUST Rinna and Kathy is understandable, at least to me. 

But the whole thing prior where they were all in a group (even if some weren't paying attention or nearby) and NOTHING?  That's the part that strikes me as a little weird.

[Mar]

Shared by Kathy Hilton on Instagram

https://instagram.com/stories/kathyhilton/2932704601818598453?igshid=NjZiMGI4OTY=

[Keywestclubkid]

I feel the need to point out at this point AGAIN its Rinna's word that all the girls are relying on... 

18 minutes ago, pasdetrois said:

Kathy's on the show for promotional purposes.

they are all on this show to promote themselves not just Kathy .... Rinna is smart if it was as bad as she was saying I believe 100% that she would have hit record on her phone at some point even just to get audio of what was going on... again she is a known liar that embellished points to take down people in the past as others have said ...

Kathy herself admitted to "sharing" things with rinna in the car I 100% believe this and no one is disputing that fact its the she RAGED and it was sooo scary I had to lock myself in my room and I have PTSD that is getting the bullshit 

[Mar]

5 hours ago, Surrealist said:

She did. She's the one who brought up the Conga thing.

Social media is going wild this morning with people saying they want to do the conga line with Kathy.  This was shared by Kathy on her Instagram

https://instagram.com/stories/kathyhilton/2932648989997030291?igshid=NjZiMGI4OTY=

5 hours ago, CallmeCray said:

THIS particular situation, there will always be a big question mark as long as Lying Lips Rinna is the only witness.  

Does Kyle not care that Rinna is trying to basically destroy the lives of both of her sisters? Kyle posted something on Instagram about a month ago about letting go of certain people in your life. I was hoping she was referring to Rinna but now I think she was probably referring to her sister. It seems from what I have been reading that their relationship is over.

[Keywestclubkid]

3 minutes ago, Mar said:

Social media is going wild this morning with people saying they want to do the conga line with Kathy.  This was shared by Kathy on her Instagram

https://instagram.com/stories/kathyhilton/2932648989997030291?igshid=NjZiMGI4OTY=

Does Kyle not care that Rinna is trying to basically destroy the lives of both of her sisters? Kyle posted something on Instagram about a month ago about letting go of certain people in your life. I was hoping she was referring to Rinna but now I think she was probably referring to her sister. It seems from what I have been reading that their relationship is over.

I wonder if she thinks that Paris the name she drops at every opportunity is ok with this take down? 

[Jel]

16 minutes ago, Mar said:

Shared by Kathy Hilton on Instagram

https://instagram.com/stories/kathyhilton/2932704601818598453?igshid=NjZiMGI4OTY=

Arg, that won't open for me. I don't have an instagram account, so maybe that's why?

Could I trouble you for a description of what she posted? Thanks so much if you can, Mar!

[Keywestclubkid]

2 minutes ago, Jel said:

Arg, that won't open for me. I don't have an instagram account, so maybe that's why?

Could I trouble you for a description of what she posted? Thanks so much if you can, Mar!

[Mar]

10 minutes ago, Jel said:

29 minutes ago, Mar said:

Shared by Kathy Hilton on Instagram

https://instagram.com/stories/kathyhilton/2932704601818598453?igshid=NjZiMGI4OTY=

Arg, that won't open for me. I don't have an instagram account, so maybe that's why?

Could I trouble you for a description of what she posted? Thanks so much if you can, Mar!

Keywestclubkid just posted above a screenshot. It is a video clip of that Amsterdam craziness when Rinna attacked Kim, Literally reaching across the table to grab her neck and smashing her wine glass on the table and threatening her with it.