Ghosts of Housewives Past: Jill Zarin, Alex, and the Rest

[Jextella]

51 minutes ago, WireWrap said:

Bethenny knows that Jill has all the intel on her that could bring the mighty SKG mogul down and that is why Bethenny would never allow Jill to come back on the show! LOL

That's a good point...and maybe the biggest (if not only) reason Bethenny wouldn't want Jill back. Bethanny is all about being on TV.  If bringing Jill back means a ratings boost, I wouldn't put it past her to allow Jill to return.  She can generally hold her own with Jill and would have nothing to fear.  Other than Jill's horrific behavior, Jill having goods on Bethenny seems like the only legit reason she wouldn't come back.

[ScoobieDoobs]

5 hours ago, WireWrap said:

Bethenny knows that Jill has all the intel on her that could bring the mighty SKG mogul down and that is why Bethenny would never allow Jill to come back on the show! LOL

Right, but not only that.  Bethenny knows just how clever & coy & underhanded Jillzy can be.  She could be a worthy opponent to Bethenny.  She could also beat the shit outta Bethenny (verbally of course) & not even pause to reapply her lipstick.  Don't underestimate Jillzy or be fooled by her demeanor or looks.  She is one tough (and pretty darn fearless) Long Island chick.  Bethenny has exactly the position on the show Satan Andy has allowed her to have.  Everyone is either kissing her ass and/or is terrified of her & know they have to take her abusive shit or be fired from the show.  

Make NO mistake.  Jillzy ain't Moaner.  Please.  Moaner is a moron.  And Carole is a waste of time, despite her pretensions of being otherwise.  She's still a waste of time.  And despite Dorinda's tough posing & her attempts at shit-stirring to deflect Bethenny from pointing her death rays at her, it ain't gonna work.  Bethenny will destroy her (and John too) -- exactly as she's eviscerating Sonja & Lu & Tom.  Ugh, it's gotta be soooo shitty to be part of this cast, with Bethenny at the helm.  Sounds awful.  

Look, I could be wrong, but I just don't believe Jillzy would take this crap from Bethenny.  Oh sure, she might kiss up to Bethenny for the cams, but then shit all over her behind her back (as she so deserves to be).  In the RealityTea interview, I thought Jillzy was accurately calling Bethenny out for her asshole act on the show now.  Jillzy is one of the few people around who would actually stand up to Bethenny & fearlessly go against her & call her out for her nasty & horrible behavior.  She did that in the RealityTea interview, but I think she'd do it on the show too.  But I'm sure that ain't what Bethenny wants on the show now -- at all.  Nope, she seems pretty happy in her position.  She ain't gonna allow anyone on who could threaten her position or make her look bad.  I could see her wanting to get Veevs back.  Bethenny could squash her like a bug.  Not Jillzy tho.  Def not Jillzy.  And Bethenny knows it.

[jinjer]

I don't think Jill is that socially savvy when it comes to being a bitch. She is social but not smart IMO. Bethenny is smart like rat. Jill shot herself in the foot the year she tried to take down Bethenny.  Sure Bethenny is shooting herself this season.  But Jill isn't as sharp as Bethenny.  I would love to see her come back this year and freeze out Bethenny -  have fabulous parties at that Southhampton home of hers and not invite the gruesome twosome.

[candall]

14 hours ago, ScoobieDoobs said:

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So is this a confirmation of what many of us suspect?  That Bethenny is friendless & Jillzy is very much the opposite?  Hmmm, it seems to be confirmed by my observations.

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Wow, you went some interesting places last summer!

I don't know if I'd reach the same conclusion that "Jill has lots of friends and Bethany has none," though. 

Were those people at the charity events Jill's friends?  From your description, it sounds equally possible she was just schmoozing and doing her level best to ingratiate herself with a lot of people it might be socially advantageous to know.

No telling what Beth's dealio was that night, but whatever else people think of her, we know she can be quick-witted and funny, so I imagine Bethany is fully capable of moving through a cocktail party chatting with other guests.

Is that particular skillset really an indicator of whether someone has friends?  Ha, I have no idea--I don't have a lot of either one.

[zoeysmom]

2 hours ago, candall said:

 

No telling what Beth's dealio was that night, but whatever else people think of her, we know she can be quick-witted and funny, so I imagine Bethany is fully capable of moving through a cocktail party chatting with other guests.

Is that particular skillset really an indicator of whether someone has friends?  Ha, I have no idea--I don't have a lot of either one.

Bethenny said in the Berkshires she doesn't go to cocktail parties because everyone attending is talking bullshit.  Maybe that is why she surrounded herself with paid employees.

[archer1267]

Anyone who reads Brian Moylan's recaps on Vulture knows that he frequently ends them with an unnamed former HW (clearly JZ), stalking the rest of the cast and trying to sabotage them with the use of associates. It's pretty funny stuff. Anyway, Andy is all about what's going to boost ratings, and bringing Bethenny back wasn't quite the barn-burner he thought it would be. And Bethenny had left on a high note! People overwhelmingly sided with her in the S3 saga, whereas Jill got a lot of drubbing from fans and bloggers. If Andy didn't hit ratings gold with a popular, well-liked former cast member, I doubt he'd hit it with Jill or Aviva.

I always liked that Jill "brought it" in terms of the trappings of a certain lifestyle though. The Zarins could legitimately afford to drop $16K on a handbag. Not many HWs can do that without filing for bankruptcy.

[WireWrap]

29 minutes ago, archer1267 said:

Anyone who reads Brian Moylan's recaps on Vulture knows that he frequently ends them with an unnamed former HW (clearly JZ), stalking the rest of the cast and trying to sabotage them with the use of associates. It's pretty funny stuff. Anyway, Andy is all about what's going to boost ratings, and bringing Bethenny back wasn't quite the barn-burner he thought it would be. And Bethenny had left on a high note! People overwhelmingly sided with her in the S3 saga, whereas Jill got a lot of drubbing from fans and bloggers. If Andy didn't hit ratings gold with a popular, well-liked former cast member, I doubt he'd hit it with Jill or Aviva.

I always liked that Jill "brought it" in terms of the trappings of a certain lifestyle though. The Zarins could legitimately afford to drop $16K on a handbag. Not many HWs can do that without filing for bankruptcy.

Ratings would go up if he brought Jill back because many would tune in to watch her turn the tables on Bethenny. LOL

[ScoobieDoobs]

3 hours ago, candall said:

Wow, you went some interesting places last summer!

I don't know if I'd reach the same conclusion that "Jill has lots of friends and Bethany has none," though. 

Were those people at the charity events Jill's friends?  From your description, it sounds equally possible she was just schmoozing and doing her level best to ingratiate herself with a lot of people it might be socially advantageous to know.

No telling what Beth's dealio was that night, but whatever else people think of her, we know she can be quick-witted and funny, so I imagine Bethany is fully capable of moving through a cocktail party chatting with other guests.

Is that particular skillset really an indicator of whether someone has friends?  Ha, I have no idea--I don't have a lot of either one.

Well, there are lots of charity events almost every weekend in season & tons of parties too.  Getting invites is easy if you're out there.  Now, the party I went to, where I spotted Bethenny, was kind of a shock to me -- as to who was actually there.  Maybe they went for the same reason I wanted to go -- to see the estate.  I sure loves me some good Hamptons house porn!  See, here's my point.  Who showed up at this party?  Seinfeld & his wife, Paul McCartney & his wife, Howard Stern & his wife -- the rumor was both Madonna & Babs were there briefly (altho I didn't see 'em -- drats!!!!).  OK, so you're at a house party (at an incredible & enormous estate), where some of the most famous people in the world are attending -- would you be spending your time there, huddled up in a corner. berating a couple of ho-hum PR girls?  True, I'm assuming this is who Bethenny is from this one observation, but I still think that's who she is.

As far as my spotting Jillzy at the 2 charity tent events?  Wow, she was absolutely fascinating to watch.  No, she wasn't just shmoozing people she didn't know.  You could easily tell by her body language & that of the people she spoke with.  I'm tellin' ya -- she's good.  Man, she's good at this shit.  There's a reason she knows all these fancy-shmancy people.  She works 'em.  Clearly, Bethenny can't be bothered.  But I think she ultimately pays a price for cutting herself off.  But maybe it's not completely her choice.  Maybe she's just not capable of doing the kind of social butterfly stuff Jillzy is so totally adept at.

Oh btw, I spotted Lu & Tom a few weeks ago at charity event.  Lu is also a very social gal -- but in quite a different way than Jillzy.  Jillzy works the room.  Jillzy seems to speak to everyone "worth speaking to" (um, anyone who's remotely famous or has some kinda high social standing).  She speaks closely & stands near 'em & laughs a lot & throws her head back & looks interested & spends time with everyone she talks.  She's not like Kelly, going around quickly & saying, "Hiyee" and then leaving.  Ew.  Thankfully, I have NOT seen Kelly around.  Lu is sociable, but she doesn't work the room the way Jillzy does.  Saw her & Tom from a distance.  She looked a good bit taller than him.  They both looked happy.  She held onto him & he got her a drink several times & I heard her laugh loudly a lot.  They were never by themselves, but in several groups.  Guess Bethenny's death rays haven't affected them at all.

[JakeyJokes]

Bethenny's behavior at the party reminds me of Kathy Griffin hosting the Daytime Emmys a few years ago --- in her monologue she mentioned that, the year before, Bethenny was at her table and complained the entire time, despite the fact that she was a new daytime talk show host and would have benefitted from working the room.

Not everyone is extroverted and sociable like Jill, but it sounds like BF isn't one for being "in the moment".

[WireWrap]

59 minutes ago, JakeyJokes said:

Bethenny's behavior at the party reminds me of Kathy Griffin hosting the Daytime Emmys a few years ago --- in her monologue she mentioned that, the year before, Bethenny was at her table and complained the entire time, despite the fact that she was a new daytime talk show host and would have benefitted from working the room.

Not everyone is extroverted and sociable like Jill, but it sounds like BF isn't one for being "in the moment".

The problem is that Bethenny really believes she is all that and a bag of chips, that everyone should be seeking her out, want to connect with her, want connections with her because she is BETHENNY after all. LOL

[zoeysmom]

1 hour ago, WireWrap said:

The problem is that Bethenny really believes she is all that and a bag of chips, that everyone should be seeking her out, want to connect with her, want connections with her because she is BETHENNY after all. LOL

I am thinking after this season with her outings and fights others may just want to steer clear of her.  Who wants to be at the receiving end of one of Bethenny or a good friend of hers barbs or gossip.

[AuntieDiane6]

FYI:  Bravo is showing SCARY ISLAND episodes (9 - noon) and the Sonja Island trip tomorrow. Morocco is also being shown (7-9 am)  EST. 

[ScoobieDoobs]

2 hours ago, WireWrap said:

The problem is that Bethenny really believes she is all that and a bag of chips, that everyone should be seeking her out, want to connect with her, want connections with her because she is BETHENNY after all. LOL

How strange she would think that way.  But I bet she does.  Um, she wants to continue a career in the entertainment industry & she thinks everyone is gonna come to her?  Oh yeah, good luck with that, Bethenny.  Well, she seems to have adjusted her attitude toward Satan Andy & she seems more grateful, rather than the sneering snot she was to him up until pretty recently.  Cuz other than Satan Andy, I don't see anyone else in the biz chasing after her.

Given the nature of her behavior this season, which has been nothing other than hateful, nasty, vile & belligerent as hell -- uh, who in their right mind would wanna go anywhere near her?  Now, I used to spot her frequently (walking on the street) years ago when she was still living in the Tribeca place cuz my best friend lives a block away.  I was always the only one around who recognized her.  Nobody else paid her any attention.  OK, that's typical of NY'ers anyway, but still, as I said earlier, she's very average looking.  Actually, the only reason I noticed her was because she has a very hard, angry, intense walk.  What do I mean by that?  She pounds the pavement very hard & you could hear her the clacking of her heels hitting the sidewalk from blocks away.  When I glanced at her, she always had an angry, intense, scrunched-up look on her mug.  Sounds real friendly & warm, eh?  Yeah, people are really gonna go up to Bethenny, right?  Yikes!

[LIMOM]

9 hours ago, zoeysmom said:

I am thinking after this season with her outings and fights others may just want to steer clear of her.  Who wants to be at the receiving end of one of Bethenny or a good friend of hers barbs or gossip.

Plus if you are in her line of viewing, you risk being thrown water at.

No thanks, I am like Ramona I value a good blow out!

[Beden]

9 hours ago, ScoobieDoobs said:

12 hours ago, WireWrap said:

The problem is that Bethenny really believes she is all that and a bag of chips, that everyone should be seeking her out, want to connect with her, want connections with her because she is BETHENNY after all. LOL

How strange she would think that way.  But I bet she does.

With respect, I sort of disagree with this. Just the opposite; I don't think B believes she's all that; I suspect she thinks she's a big ole nothing, that one of these days (despite her mega bucks and presumed 'fame') it's all going to go away. I think she's scared shitless and presents her horrible, alienating personality as a defense to keep people away. You know--the old (and boring) you can't hurt me, you bitches, so don't even try...the expression on her face, her body language, her attack dog personality in every situation all say the same thing. She'll maintain that she has lots and lots of friends while spending her time largely alone, working or trying to drum up a new reality show for the $ and, more importantly, the exposure. She seems to have the attitude that if she isn't on TV she doesn't exist in any meaningful way. Even in pictures of her with her daughter she seems pissed--okay it may be because she's being photographed but, c'mon--if you're a known personality and you don't want you or you kid photographed, don't go to a place crawling with paps. Lots of people have figured this out to protect their kids (and good for them).

It works, I guess. No one seems to want to go within 20 feet of her unless they're on her payroll. She blames everyone else because they're jealous, afraid of her, losers or whatever rationalization she comes up at the moment.

We all make our choices. And no, you couldn't pay e to have dinner with the bitch.

[NewDigs]

13 hours ago, AuntieDiane6 said:

FYI:  Bravo is showing SCARY ISLAND episodes (9 - noon) and the Sonja Island trip tomorrow. Morocco is also being shown (7-9 am)  EST. 

 I still managed to miss the first one! 

And I still just really don't get that Jill made this huge faux pas by showing up. I actually feel kind of bad for her. And I had forgotten just how "fragile" Alex was. Oh, the angst.

They all look better and more natural except for B's obvious bolt-ons.

They had an interesting discussion re: penis size. B asked Sonja if there are sizes that could be associated with different nationalities. Sonja kinda' blushed and said no but that she's seen a correlation with size and bald heads and ear size. Going on to mention one of her baldies w/ big ears was huge. 

Bethy seems the most uptight of the group. Never seems to relax. And her jaw is huge.

[ScoobieDoobs]

Lu's singing always made the dogs in my neighborhood bark like crazy.  Well, I'm on vacay now by the beach & I have the TV on kinda loud.  There goes Lu & her crappy fuckin' singing & all the doggies nearby are goin' nuts!  WTF?  Do they like Lu's awful singing or hate it as much as I do & want me to turn her the hell off?  Thank you, Lu, for not singing anymore.  Yeesh, you stink at it.

Alex was acting way too hard on Scary Island.  I kinda thought that back then.  Looks way obvious now.

I may be in minority, but I think Bethenny looks better now.  Wonder if she reduced her boob implants or she stopped trying to shove them together.  Her hair color & style are much more flattering now.  Oh, she still looks hard, but wow, she was scary hard-looking back then.  And the jaw shaving looks more apparent when you watch these old eps.  Don't hit me, but boy, Jason was pretty hot.

Kells has gotta be in serious delusion & denial.  She's gotta be, right?  I mean, how is she able to go out in public without feeling completely embarrassed & humiliated?  Cuz Bravo can replay these Scary Island eps forever -- and this is how she'll pretty much be remembered forever -- as an unstable nutcase & lunatic.  Is it Satan Andy's fault the world will forever see her this way?  Is it Bravo's fault?  Is it Bethenny's fault?  All are partly to blame.  Mostly it's Kelly's own fault.  Never cared for her & still don't.

Edited August 17, 2016 by ScoobieDoobs

[zoeysmom]

I rewatched parts of the Morocco-by today's standards Alex would be called out for overacting.  Her anger at Luann was misplaced.  One thing about Luann when she plans the trip she expects timeliness.   I thought it was funny when Alex was downstairs making her pitch how devastated Ramona was-Ramona and Sonja were laughing and screwing around.  Why one should not fight another's battles. 

Jill with the poodle hair was pretty funny-go back to doing your own hair. Oh how the mighty have fallen. 

When Jill approached Ramona and talked about books and chapters, Ramona was so steadfast about her perfect marriage.  Luann, Jill and Kelly knew the score and Ramona would definitely be in the column of "didn't want to know".   Ramona true to form always asserts others want to be her, they want her man, her marriage.  Funny now that Mario dumped her, he was struggling in his business.   

[ScoobieDoobs]

Alex's reaction to Jill showing up was really dopey & silly & just plain lousy acting.  But I'll take that any time over what we're stuck with now -- which is the whole cast cowering in fear of Bethenny & merely waiting to see who she'll freeze out of trips or point her nastiness, cruelty, meanness, hatred & vitriol at.  Ew.

Edited August 17, 2016 by ScoobieDoobs

[LIMOM]

Alex, her Australian husband and her kids were absolutely the best. They were so campy and cheesy and represented a very real part of NYC.

Otoh, they are still happily married and back in Australia. I doubt that this would have been the outcome if they had stayed on the show.

Edited August 17, 2016 by LIMOM

[NewDigs]

I enjoyed the Alex and Simon camp-factor but they usually seemed kind of desperate. And @ScoobieDoobs nailed it with the overacting. They come across as trying too hard. Dare I say desperate? But they did give me a good chuckle from time to time. Simon's red leather pants come to mind. 

I'm not sure which ep was just on but does Bethenney have to always wear her bikini in the kitchen? Coverups can be your friend! Especially around boiling water, sizzling oil etc. Plus, imho, she doesn't look all that great. Ribs and sinew and bones.... And agree she looks better now. She's just too wound up.

[NewDigs]

And the 2015 Bethy is rearing her ugly head. It's so hard being B. Ugh. I might be out.

[LIMOM]

32 minutes ago, NewDigs said:

I enjoyed the Alex and Simon camp-factor but they usually seemed kind of desperate. And @ScoobieDoobs nailed it with the overacting. They come across as trying too hard. Dare I say desperate? But they did give me a good chuckle from time to time. Simon's red leather pants come to mind. 

I'm not sure which ep was just on but does Bethenney have to always wear her bikini in the kitchen? Coverups can be your friend! Especially around boiling water, sizzling oil etc. Plus, imho, she doesn't look all that great. Ribs and sinew and bones.... And agree she looks better now. She's just too wound up.

They were desperate but that was part of the charm, imo.

I used to laugh out loud watching those two going to the Bahamas in the dead of summer, their gothic townhouse in BROOKLYN(the horror!), their delight when she was mentioned in the NYT society pages. I agree that toward the end, she over acted however they never were mean and nasty toward their coworkers.

[NewDigs]

Oh god, and Alex trying on all those "designer" clothes. And that scary island photoshoot was so awkward it made me uncomfortable.

I think I also liked rooting for the underdogs. The other Hos were kind of mean girls with them. Maybe even worse the way they marginalized so much of what Simply and Alex did. They sometimes came across as such poseuers it was hard not to giggle but they were treated as "fresh meat" by the others

Ooh, nice talking head, Lu.  "Oh, aren't you special, getting a text from Bethenny." With perfect sarcastic inflection. 

[zoeysmom]

OMG Mario is as bad of a dancer as Ramona is.

Alex overacted again in Scary Island.

Jason and Bethenny looked very much in love and cute together. 

Wonder when Sonja's sexy society book is coming out-she began working on it after her divorce it has only been ten years.

[NewDigs]

12 minutes ago, zoeysmom said:

OMG Mario is as bad of a dancer as Ramona is.

Alex overacted again in Scary Island.

Jason and Bethenny looked very much in love and cute together. 

Wonder when Sonja's sexy society book is coming out-she began working on it after her divorce it has only been ten years.

Better get it published soon.

She looked sexier even just a year ago. She's fading and I hope she pulls herself together.

Damn! I missed the (non)dancing duo!

And it was that ^^^ B & J that got me watching her show. Live and learn.

[ghoulina]

2 hours ago, NewDigs said:

Oh god, and Alex trying on all those "designer" clothes. And that scary island photoshoot was so awkward it made me uncomfortable.

"Johan face, Alex, Johan face." Bahahahaha! That shit is classic. 

[Celia Rubenstein]

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The problem is that Bethenny really believes she is all that and a bag of chips, that everyone should be seeking her out, want to connect with her, want connections with her because she is BETHENNY after all. LOL

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How strange she would think that way.  But I bet she does.

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With respect, I sort of disagree with this. Just the opposite; I don't think B believes she's all that; I suspect she thinks she's a big ole nothing, that one of these days (despite her mega bucks and presumed 'fame') it's all going to go away. I think she's scared shitless and presents her horrible, alienating personality as a defense to keep people away.

I don't think Bethenny is full of herself, but I don't think she is insecure and riddled with doubt either.  She's just an unpleasant person.  That is just her personality.  I'm not surprised to hear how she behaves at parties.  Not everyone is gifted with charm and warmth.  She's abrasive and impatient and simply not that interested in other people.  Without someone to act as her foil and soften all that, she is miserable TV to watch.  I don't understand how whoever runs this show (Andy Cohen?) doesn't not GET THIS. 

Jill was the perfect person to pair with Bethenny.  She had the spark and energy and heart it took to bring out the human side of Beth and make her palatable.  Bethenny's personality quirks were actually fairly endearing during season 1 when Jill was there to hold her feet to the fire about her hostility, her coldness ... But without someone around to challenge Bethenny she just rages unchecked and it sucks to watch.  And Carole .... sorry, no.  She is not up to the job at all.  I think it actually tickles her to see Bethenny on a rampage - the last thing she is going to do is force Bethenny to confront why she is being such a bitch and how she is actually hurting herself  with her antics.  And that seems to be what the audience requires to care about a flawed character like Bethenny - they want to see her demonstrate some genuine awareness and meaningful introspection (not the kind of useless rehash of the past that was the product of those ridiculous therapy sessions with Dr. No Socks).  But she can't get there by herself ... she needs a friend in the cast to work with.  And because she doesn't have it right now, she is just awful to watch. 

As much as I would ADORE having Jill return, I don't think it will ever happen. Andy clearly worships Beth and won't tolerate anyone saying anything bad about her.  The idea of allowing Bethenny's nemesis back on the show without her approval is never going to happen.  And I doubt Bethenny would ever agree.  She is probably too bitter about what Jill tried to do to her to ever give Jill what she wants more than anything on earth - to be allowed to return to the show.

I just wonder if Bethenny realizes how good it would be for her if Jill did come back.  It will never be season 1 again with the warmth between them that made Bethenny likable, but they don't really have to be "friends" for Jill to perform the same function she did for Bethenny on season 1.  She just has to call Bethenny out on her shit, challenge her, make her relatable and sympathetic.   She could even really go after Bethenny and it probably wouldn't be a a bad thing.  Bethenny never received more love and sympathy than when Jill was trying to destroy her, lol - I love that soap opera expression "destroy" someone, but that really is what Jill was trying to do.  Instead of fearing what Jill might do or say, Bethenny should want Jill to return with her guns blazing.  If nothing else, it would take some of the focus off her and her own behavior.  And that would be a good thing!

[AuntieDiane6]

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I just wonder if Bethenny realizes how good it would be for her if Jill did come back.  It will never be season 1 again with the warmth between them that made Bethenny likable, but they don't really have to be "friends" for Jill to perform the same function she did for Bethenny on season 1.  She just has to call Bethenny out on her shit, challenge her, make her relatable and sympathetic.  

It could happen.  After all, Nene and Kim were going to do a road trip show on Bravo.  I think it was canceled because of one of Kim's pregnancy ... 

[Neeners]

I got a free month of Hulu, and guess what I used it on? The beginning seasons were so much fun to watch. I can't believe I'm going to say this, but I actually do hope they bring Jill back. I don't see it happening, but I'd really enjoy it.

[quaintirene]

I wouldn't mind Jill coming back.  From what I hear she is a demanding crazy person IRL but that's ok.  I don't have to meet her IRL!  Alex/Simon always made me feel really uncomfortable, there was a strong whiff of desperation coming off them and they seemed to be spending far too much money they didn't seem to have trying to prove they were in the top tier of NY society.  Which they pretty obviously weren't.  I remember that $$$$$$$$ Season 1 clothes-buying tip in St Barts.  I hope most of those clothes were returned with the tickets still on after the cameras stopped rolling.  I know they hung on to that weird animal-print evening dress and she wore it to the Met opening.  I just kept expecting the bailiffs to come knocking a la the Kurten family.  So I'm glad they are off the show and I hope they don't come back anytime soon.  For their sake as much as mine!

[NewDigs]

On 11/13/2016 at 9:46 PM, Alonzo Mosely FBI said:

I listen every day and he does say Kelly B. and Beth are friends, though it's of course possible she is friends with Carole. He hasn't been super warm sounding towards Bethenny at ALL. I think Bethenny would love the exposure on the Stern show. I predict it won't happen. 

Maybe you can answer a Kelly+Beth bff question.

When Howard described people getting up and speaking at their wedding he mentioned that Kelly (no last name) spoke about her friendship with Beth by saying that they had spent years modeling together and as friends and everyone knew them as KellyandBeth, KellyandBeth and she felt bittersweet because it would now be Howard and Beth. Howard said it was very touching.

I always assumed the Kelly was Bensimon but have had little luck pinning that down. If it is I have an even harder time picturing Beth doing the show. And I cannot picture Howard's participation at. all.

 

eta I would laugh and laugh and laugh if his pet Bethy fucked up the chance for a HoWife Beth.

Edited November 19, 2016 by NewDigs

[HunterHunted]

I think Jill will probably never be back just because she secretly taped her one on one interview with Andy. Bravo can't have her secretly taping alternate versions of her scenes and posting them to refute whatever airs. Shit like that undermines the premise of the show and highlights the artificiality.

[Alonzo Mosely FBI]

20 hours ago, NewDigs said:

Maybe you can answer a Kelly+Beth bff question.

When Howard described people getting up and speaking at their wedding he mentioned that Kelly (no last name) spoke about her friendship with Beth by saying that they had spent years modeling together and as friends and everyone knew them as KellyandBeth, KellyandBeth and she felt bittersweet because it would now be Howard and Beth. Howard said it was very touching.

I always assumed the Kelly was Bensimon but have had little luck pinning that down. If it is I have an even harder time picturing Beth doing the show. And I cannot picture Howard's participation at. all.

 

eta I would laugh and laugh and laugh if his pet Bethy fucked up the chance for a HoWife Beth.

That is an excellent question and I do not know if it's Kelly B. Could be Kelly Ripa? My hunch is it's Kelly B. though . 

Howard will NEVER allow cameras in his sanctuary he's such a homebody. I dont think Beth O will ever be a NY housewife. Andy will die trying though ! 

[AndySmith]

She can always be a "Friend of". This way, she can meet them for coffee or drinks or go to their events or whatever without having to film at her place.

[NewDigs]

3 hours ago, AndySmith said:

She can always be a "Friend of". This way, she can meet them for coffee or drinks or go to their events or whatever without having to film at her place.

Unless she remains loyal to Kelly. Who hates Bethy.

 

@Alonzo Mosely FBI Thanks for info. I hadn't thought of Kelly Ripa. But I think it almost has to be KellyB 'cuz s/he also mentioned how much time they had spent together in Europe modeling.

[zoeysmom]

A bit of sad news-Bobby Zarin's cancer has returned and is in his brain.  The good news it is not in his spinal cord, going for the latest best of treatment at MD Anderson.  http://www.allaboutthetea.com/2016/11/22/jill-zarin-reveals-her-husband-bobbys-cancer-is-back/  The interview is somewhat bittersweet, a happy Jill and Bobby and Jill not missing a beat in the name dropping department.  Her name dropping is in the very best of ways-thanking all the medical professionals and being very, very hopeful.  Bobby is one of those Real Housewives Husbands who has always risen to the top in supporting his wife.  Godspeed in your journey to full recovery, Mr. Zarin.

[ghoulina]

Sad to hear that. I wish Bobby the best. He was always a class act. 

[AndySmith]

I definitely found Bobby much more likeable than Jill, TBH. Hope he recovers asap.

[AndySmith]

As much flak as Alex got (some of it deserved, some of it not), she'll always have a place in my heart for this scene.

Edited December 19, 2016 by AndySmith

[grayson]

In my favorite image of Alex, she contorts her face into an uncanny resemblance to Edvard Munch's "The Scream". This photo is not from the show. It is from a video  when Alex yelped in affected dismay as Simon exposed her pasty posterior for the camera operator at TMZ by yanking up her skirt.

Edited December 21, 2016 by grayson

[One Tough Cookie]

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I always liked that Jill "brought it" in terms of the trappings of a certain lifestyle though. The Zarins could legitimately afford to drop $16K on a handbag. Not many HWs can do that without filing for bankruptcy

I'd bet a mortgage payment  the designer of the handbag Jill "bought" gave the bag for free to get some publicity.  O can't see Jillzy spending that amount on an up and coming designer. No frgging way.

Sorry to hear about Bobby.  He seems like a really decent guy.  How in the world he got stuck with her, I'll never understand.

[archer1267]

Oh man. I was reading a round-up of the inaugural balls, fully unprepared to have JILL ZARIN's name pop up. She asked if anyone wanted her photo and proudly implied she was part of the Trump family's entourage. 

And she appeared in the NY Post as one of the "hypocritical" marchers who attended an inaugural ball later that evening. Oh Jill. You just wanted to maximize the potential exposure, right? For all her blather about how RHONY nearly destroyed her marriage, she keeps clawing her way back towards relevance.

Edited January 23, 2017 by archer1267

[AndySmith]

I'd say talk about being desperate for attention...but then, this is Jill Zarin, after all. I mean, the woman has to ask people to take pictures of her, ffs.

[Ellee]

:D :D :D   I may have to brush up on my Kelly-speak or possibly learn new Kelly-speak. 

http://www.allaboutthetea.com/2017/01/24/kelly-bensimon-hints-possible-return-to-real-housewives-of-new-york/

[SunnyBeBe]

I came here because I got the SHOCK of my life Tuesday when I saw a photo of the ladies at Luann's wedding in PEOPLE magazine.  I'll try to find the photo on line, because you have to  SEE THIS!  Luann, Kelly, JILL and a few more are lined up in the pose.  At first, I did not recognize Jill.  Yes, I know that every time I see her she looks younger and better, but, this time.....OMG.  She looks MARVELOUS!  She looks about 10 years younger than any of the other ladies.  Her hair, her skin, her body....just incredible.  I've never been a huge Jill fan, but, man.......I gotta hand her this.  She must have discovered the plastic surgeon that Barbara Walters and Dick Clark used. Either that or she made a deal with  the devil.  It's not right for her to be looking that young and that awesome.  lol I can't get over it. 

[Almost 3000]

14 hours ago, SunnyBeBe said:

I came here because I got the SHOCK of my life Tuesday when I saw a photo of the ladies at Luann's wedding in PEOPLE magazine.  I'll try to find the photo on line, because you have to  SEE THIS!  Luann, Kelly, JILL and a few more are lined up in the pose.  At first, I did not recognize Jill.  Yes, I know that every time I see her she looks younger and better, but, this time.....OMG.  She looks MARVELOUS!  She looks about 10 years younger than any of the other ladies.  Her hair, her skin, her body....just incredible.  I've never been a huge Jill fan, but, man.......I gotta hand her this.  She must have discovered the plastic surgeon that Barbara Walters and Dick Clark used. Either that or she made a deal with  the devil.  It's not right for her to be looking that young and that awesome.  lol I can't get over it. 

Its been posted in the LuAnn thread.

[SunnyBeBe]

14 hours ago, Almost 3000 said:

Its been posted in the LuAnn thread.

Oh, okay.  I thought that a comment about Jill would be on the thread bearing her name. lol  I checked back to August posts and didn't see anything about it. Thanks. 

[car54]

Jill Zarin went to both the inauguration and the Women's March.

Covering all her bases.

[chick binewski]

On 1/26/2017 at 4:33 PM, Ellee said:

:D :D :D   I may have to brush up on my Kelly-speak or possibly learn new Kelly-speak. 

http://www.allaboutthetea.com/2017/01/24/kelly-bensimon-hints-possible-return-to-real-housewives-of-new-york/

I feel kind of bad for her with the 'everyone thinks I'm crazy and that makes me sad'. Except, like Luann and Vicki and Kim and a good portion of the ATL cast, Kelly has no self-awareness and is a little mean. She could be so dismissive I found her hard to watch.

On 1/21/2017 at 11:46 PM, archer1267 said:

Oh man. I was reading a round-up of the inaugural balls, fully unprepared to have JILL ZARIN's name pop up. She asked if anyone wanted her photo and proudly implied she was part of the Trump family's entourage. 

And she appeared in the NY Post as one of the "hypocritical" marchers who attended an inaugural ball later that evening. Oh Jill. You just wanted to maximize the potential exposure, right? For all her blather about how RHONY nearly destroyed her marriage, she keeps clawing her way back towards relevance.

 

8 hours ago, car54 said:

Jill Zarin went to both the inauguration and the Women's March.

Covering all her bases.

I used to like how Jill seemed very loyal and generous with her family. Then I see stuff like this and I'm reminded of social-climber Jill who clearly still does. not. get. it.