S18.E10: Living in a House Divided

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Schmitt must face the Morbidity and Mortality conference; Meredith convinces Nick to scrub in on a surgery in Seattle; Jo faces her feelings.

Airdate: 3 March 2022

[LexieLily]

Out of everything that's happened at Grey-Sloan in twenty seasons, what happened in the OR with Schmidt is what gets elevated to an M&M? And I'm very confused how the Webber Method is different from the Minnick Method and how everyone at Grey-Sloan forgot it existed, especially Bailey and Catherine. If I'm remembering it all correctly, Webber was against the Minnick Method and Bailey/Catherine were for it. Now the sides have switched for the sake of this stupid plot.

I'm no fan of Schmidt but it's obnoxious and speaks horribly of the hospital that no one besides Nico is sparing a thought for him. Helm got a five-minute speech in the stairwell and Maggie/Meredith/Amelia were so busy soothing Richard's feelings that all we got the entire episode was Maggie saying that "what happened to Levi is devastating." Not devastating enough for anyone to check on him after he ran out of the M&M, though. Except Nico.

It's awfully rich of Teddy to preach to Owen about truth and trust and spend the entire episode whining to Hayes and Megan that Owen is keeping something from her and won't tell what happened in the car after she left. It says a lot that Teddy's first suspicion was that he had a secret wife and family.

Leave that poor widow alone, Teddy. It's not about you.

Amelia is part of the Minnesota project and she doesn't know Nick? 

Edited March 4, 2022 by LexieLily

[ams1001]

Did no one bother to check on Schmidt? Even his roommate? He is so clearly not okay. Geez, these people suck.

Bailey's pissed because the other residents are "traumatized" and "might need a safe space" but she doesn't give a shit about Schmidt.

Hey, the Privilege Fairy is back.

Maggie's worried about Richard but no one cares about Schmidt!

Damn you, show, for making me care about Schmidt.

 

Edited March 4, 2022 by ams1001

[statsgirl]

Amelia: Menstruation, pregnancy, ovarian cysts, menopause, endometriosis .... I want to know what men get.

DeLuca: All the research.

Brilliant.  And that line was better than the rest of the episode put together. Bailey also gets points for telling off Linc and noticing that Helms was in trouble. Amelia was also one of the adults. Maggie gets part marks for truth-speaking at the M&M, but then she walked it back with Richard saying that she was mad at herself not him.

The M&M was all about protecting Schmidt and the episode about protecting Richard. I'm tired of the go

Richard was a whiny baby all episode.

I officially hate Linc today. Looks like his love is as deep as a condom. Also he seems to lose when he's getting laid.

How is it winter again?  Everyone was sweating in the heat a couple of episodes ago.

Meredith's first words to McIrish were that he can't do this to Bailey, not 'what's happening with you that you're quitting suddenly'. I hate how selfish these people are about the privilege few on the show. It's back to high school again with the cliques.

That M&M was all about protecting Schmidt and Richard, not about a true evaluation inspite of Metedith's voice over saying that it was.

3 minutes ago, LexieLily said:

Amelia is part of the Minnesota project and she doesn't know Nick? 

Meredith kept him hidden. Nick isn't part of the project, he just works at another hospital there and Meredith sleeps with him.

[pally]

34 minutes ago, ams1001 said:

Did no one bother to check on Schmidt? Even his roommate? He is so clearly not okay. Geez, these people suck.

Bailey's pissed because the other residents are "traumatized" and "might need a safe space" but she doesn't give a shit about Schmidt.

Hey, the Privilege Fairy is back.

Maggie's worried about Richard but no one cares about Schmidt!

Damn you, show, for making me care about Schmidt.

 

How long did Bailey spend locked in her genome lab after her staph infection killed multiple patients?  How long was Cristina given because of her breakdown after the mass shooting?  And lets not forget about Meridith disappearing for a year. or Richard taking a deep dive into the bottle, oh or Jo's stint in the mental hospital.  For goodness sakes, they let Izzy come back after the Denny debacle. But then they turn around and ignore Levi.  Doesn't make any sense.  I can only assume that next week, they will all have an attack of conscious and save Levi from himself.
I find it harder and harder to care anything about these characters or storylines.  The writers are struggling to find any freshness in any aspect of the show

[Good Queen Jane]

So it’s the day after the previous episode, which took place in the week after Christmas. Of course all the Christmas decorations that were up last episode are gone and Meredith’s kids are back in school, but the Continuity Fairy did bring snow.

I appreciate that we got a little bit about the medical community’s fat bias, but it kind of got lost in the other dramas. And although I wanted Schmidt gone, I do not want to see the Very Special Episode where Schmidt commits suicide and everyone feels guilty about not helping him. 

Edited March 4, 2022 by Good Queen Jane

[ams1001]

 

20 minutes ago, pally said:

But then they turn around and ignore Levi.

And he's their best resident, don't forget!

10 minutes ago, Good Queen Jane said:

And although I wanted Schmidt gone, I do not want to see the Very Special Episode where Schmidt commits suicide and everyone feels guilty about not helping him. 

I half expected the episode to end with him teetering at the edge of the roof and no one noticing. I hope they don't go there. I was relieved to see he was just playing video games in his mom's basement. I almost felt bad for Nico but he's such a wooden character that it's hard to.

I don't dislike he actor; I just wish they wrote him a better character. Like, I dunno, a nerdy but generally competent resident who sometimes makes mistakes instead of a bumbling ball of nerves that no patient in their right mind would ever consent to having their surgery performed by.

[statsgirl]

49 minutes ago, ams1001 said:

And he's their best resident, don't forget!

So in a sense, this is on Bailey and Meredith and everyone who told Levi that he's so marvellous, not just Richard.

They told him that he was great, so naturally he wanted to show that he could do more.

[LexieLily]

1 hour ago, statsgirl said:

So in a sense, this is on Bailey and Meredith and everyone who told Levi that he's so marvelous, not just Richard.

They told him that he was great, so naturally he wanted to show that he could do more.

Bailey's stairwell conversation with Helm might end up doing more future harm than anything the Webber Method could do. She essentially told Helm that because she was the underling and Schmidt was lead surgeon there's nothing Helm could have done to change the outcome. Why should any residents in the future speak up in an OR if they see something that isn't right or have an idea for a less-invasive approach or an idea of how not to kill their patient, if the lead surgeon and/or attending won't listen to them?

If that is the attitude at Grey-Sloan coming from the Chief I'm amazed there aren't more fatal outcomes and subsequent M&Ms, honestly.

Edited March 4, 2022 by LexieLily

[Anela]

I don't understand why he isn't in some sort of psychiatric care. He is obviously not well enough to be at work. I'm just watching right now, and am wondering if they're giving his character a way out of the show, but these people suck!

Owen put Hayes at risk, but is refusing to tell his own wife what he did. If he was arrested for that, his wife wouldn't have to testify against him, right?

Edited March 4, 2022 by Anela

[Anela]

11 hours ago, Good Queen Jane said:

So it’s the day after the previous episode, which took place in the week after Christmas. Of course all the Christmas decorations that were up last episode are gone and Meredith’s kids are back in school, but the Continuity Fairy did bring snow.

I appreciate that we got a little bit about the medical community’s fat bias, but it kind of got lost in the other dramas. And although I wanted Schmidt gone, I do not want to see the Very Special Episode where Schmidt commits suicide and everyone feels guilty about not helping him. 

Same. I don't want to see them all grieving, attending a funeral, saying they wish they'd known, when it absolutely clear that he is not okay. they had to treat and wrap his hands, FFS, and he was just splayed against a wall, as Jo and Linc were having sex, and Amelia was having the deep talk with another doctor she's just kissed, designed to bring them a bit closer. 

[amarante]

I am not understanding why Owen's actions with the vets is so problematic that Dr. Irish has to leave because the mere knowledge made him vulnerable to criminal and professional charges and no one can know because it would jeopardize him.

Doctors have always found a way to look the other way in terms of prescribing medication that might be used in this way. The only time it is problematic is when the patient has reached a stage where it is not possible for them to physically take the medication and so it isn't actually a suicide. Not quite the same thing but "snowing" an end stage patient in end stage patients.

 

[iMonrey]

Not only should Schmidt have been fired ages ago, but Miranda is almost as spastic as Schmidt. She's motor-mouthing a mile a minute to Meredith about all the surgeries she has to pile onto her schedule simply because ONE doctor quit suddenly and she's freaking the fuck right out. Great administration there. Meanwhile, Meredith has to take on extra surgeries and call her boyfriend for backup, yet Carina and Amelia are scheduling same-day elective surgery for a brand new patient. How many operating rooms does this place have?

Sorry, they are never going to make me feel sorry for Schmidt. He's never shown the least bit of competence and should never be anywhere near an operating room ever again. I also got a kick out of Nico telling him everyone loses patients. Has Nico? Isn't he in orthopedics? Has he lost a patient fixing a broken leg? Fire him too.

[AzraeltheCat]

My random thoughts:

1) I never liked Schmitt, but even as a lay person, I can see he is totally decompensating and if he were my friend, I'd be very worried. Yet all these doctors just flit along, give lip service to how he must be devastated but nobody is doing anything for him. 

2) They have totally destroyed the character of Link that they created over the past few years. 

3) I hate Owen, Teddy, their kids, his sister, and her kid.  Can they all just please go away?

4) I didn't think McIrish and Mer had a lot of chemistry but I liked them as friends as least. Nick and Mer have zero chemistry and he's boring AF [sorry, Scott Speedman, I still love you, just not your character!].

5) As others noted, it is crazy that no one is talking about the Minnick Method in this storyline about the Webber method.  At least with the Minnick Method, an attending was in the room at all times.  I seriously don't see how the Webber method of "proceed to this point and then call and attending" works.  What if the attending is in another surgery? Or is the attending not allowed to schedule anything else and just sit around waiting? If that's the case, why not have the attending in the damn OR, even if hands off unless needed.  This SL is STUPID. 

Please put this show out of its misery. It is a shadow of its former self.

[Good Queen Jane]

In all fairness to the Webber Method, the attending is in effect supervising several residents. The idea, as I understand it, is to stagger the surgeries so that the resident does the preparation work and the attending comes in to supervise the harder surgery. Ideally, the surgeries reach the critical point at different times and the attending rotates through in a coordinated schedule, which allows more routine surgeries to be performed at the same time and more residents the opportunity to do them.

The question I have is how did the loss of a trauma specialist and a pediatric surgeon mean that an extra surgeon has to be pulled in to perform a hernia operation? Neither Owen nor Hayes would be doing that kind of surgery.

Edited March 4, 2022 by Good Queen Jane

[DEL901]

1 hour ago, amarante said:

I am not understanding why Owen's actions with the vets is so problematic that Dr. Irish has to leave because the mere knowledge made him vulnerable to criminal and professional charges and no one can know because it would jeopardize him.

Doctors have always found a way to look the other way in terms of prescribing medication that might be used in this way. The only time it is problematic is when the patient has reached a stage where it is not possible for them to physically take the medication and so it isn't actually a suicide. Not quite the same thing but "snowing" an end stage patient in end stage patients.

 

Unless the proper legal steps are followed before the meds are dispensed, then some jurisdictions would consider it murder and Owen made Hayes an accessory.   And he won’t tell Teddy so she won’t be an accessory if he is prosecuted.  And also so she doesn’t have the ethical dilemma of reporting her own husband for violating the hypocratic oath. 

[dmc]

I absolutely planned on not watching this but my husband likes it now which is LOL because he has maintained he was only watching for my sake.

Eff them and this MCWIDOW plot.  It's been a big eff you to everyone.  First Christina introduces him to Meredith only for nothing to happen.  Then nothing continues to happen and three seasons later he hints he likes her while she is a Covid comma then nothing happens then he apparently mentions their lack of interactions to his family because he likes her...then apparently he asked her out during the show break but alas they cannot because his son gets panic attacks brought on by too much Meredith so then nothing happens again and now he's leaving but he can't say goodbye Meredith because he loves her too much and could not go if he saw her face...what in the ever loving f*ck...he sees her daily and nothing happens

And what is Teddy...CSI Seattle Grace...

 

Edited March 4, 2022 by dmc

[dmc]

1 hour ago, AzraeltheCat said:

My random thoughts:

1) I never liked Schmitt, but even as a lay person, I can see he is totally decompensating and if he were my friend, I'd be very worried. Yet all these doctors just flit along, give lip service to how he must be devastated but nobody is doing anything for him. 

2) They have totally destroyed the character of Link that they created over the past few years. 

3) I hate Owen, Teddy, their kids, his sister, and her kid.  Can they all just please go away?

4) I didn't think McIrish and Mer had a lot of chemistry but I liked them as friends as least. Nick and Mer have zero chemistry and he's boring AF [sorry, Scott Speedman, I still love you, just not your character!].

5) As others noted, it is crazy that no one is talking about the Minnick Method in this storyline about the Webber method.  At least with the Minnick Method, an attending was in the room at all times.  I seriously don't see how the Webber method of "proceed to this point and then call and attending" works.  What if the attending is in another surgery? Or is the attending not allowed to schedule anything else and just sit around waiting? If that's the case, why not have the attending in the damn OR, even if hands off unless needed.  This SL is STUPID. 

Please put this show out of its misery. It is a shadow of its former self.

YES to number 3.  OMG yes, they all awful even the kids

[statsgirl]

1 hour ago, iMonrey said:

Meanwhile, Meredith has to take on extra surgeries and call her boyfriend for backup, yet Carina and Amelia are scheduling same-day elective surgery for a brand new patient. How many operating rooms does this place have?

It's not a question of operating rooms but of available surgeons. If Amelia and Carina ever did a hernia repair, it's in the far past. But as @Good Queen Jane posted, losing a paediatric surgeon should not affect these operations because he wouldn't be doing them. Owen and Teddy being off might since Owen especially could have been pulled in for some of these.

I agree, I just cannot buy Schmidt as a competent resident much less the best resident and so this storyline is not about identifying with and empathy for Schmidt but anger at Webber, Bailey and the rest of the doctors. I don't  think that's what Krista had in mind.

[marceline]

So last week Schmidt had to be dragged out of the O.R. screaming while he was in the throes of a nervous breakdown and instead of putting him on the 72 hour psych hold he clearly needed, they bandaged him up and sent him home where he lives with Helm who apparently offered him no assistance. Then not only did they not give him any follow-up care, they expected him to do the M&M. Schmidt had a full on mental health crisis and all these people who have witnessed numerous coworkers have complete breakdowns (Bailey's OCD, Teddy's catatonia, Deluca's bipolar, Webber's cobalt poisoning) and just said "walk it off." Stunning incompetence all around.

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Amelia: Menstruation, pregnancy, ovarian cysts, menopause, endometriosis .... I want to know what men get.

DeLuca: All the research.

This was a good line and so true. This and the subplot about fatphobia and BMI show there are still stories to be told about the healthcare industry and I appreciate them. COVID showed us how various biases affect the kind of care we get so I like Grey's still touches on those issues by showing these doctors falling prey to them.

I also liked Amelia calmly telling Jo to get her shit together. There was no excuse for Jo acting like she just got caught shoplifting.

Still don't care about Owen.

Edited March 4, 2022 by marceline

[RedbirdNelly]

I feel bad for Schmidt but keep hoping he realizes he's meant to be something other than a surgeon, recovers and we never see him again

I did love the way the snow falling outside Jo's apartment looked. Made me want to live in a tall building somewhere cold for a brief moment.

I was glad Amelia called Jo out. I feel like we've done this story line of "person just can't stop acting weird" about 1000 times. It's not realistic. Glad Amelia called it.

[PepSinger]

How on earth was Teddy going to call the police on the wife? Owen clearly gave her permission as he, you know, handed her the keys! For fuck’s sake, Teddy. I cannot stand her.

2 hours ago, marceline said:

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Amelia: Menstruation, pregnancy, ovarian cysts, menopause, endometriosis .... I want to know what men get.

DeLuca: All the research.

This was a good line and so true. This and the subplot about fatphobia and BMI show there are still stories to be told about the healthcare industry and I appreciate them. 

That Amelia/DeLuca exchange is the best writing this show has had in quite some time. I also liked the fat phobia subplot (and I liked the featured intern in the storyline). I follow many fat advocates on Twitter, and the amount of stories I’ve seen where a doctor just suggests that they lose some weight to cure whatever ailment they have without a thorough exam is infuriating. Case in point:

“You do not need to tell fat people that they are fat.”

I hate Schmidt, but the way his colleagues are ignoring his mental distress is appalling.

2 hours ago, RedbirdNelly said:

I was glad Amelia called Jo out. I feel like we've done this story line of "person just can't stop acting weird" about 1000 times. It's not realistic. Glad Amelia called it.

Jo was acting so stupidly that I’m surprised Carina didn’t say anything to her. You’re adults; grow up, Jo.

Do the writers want me to hate Link?

[amarante]

I don't understand how a hospital has a shortage of surgeons. 

My experience with surgery is that you select your surgeon and then generally schedule a pre-surgical visit. Of course unless the surgery is emergency but none of these surgeries appear to be emergency surgeries in which a patient takes whatever surgeon is available.

Typically a surgeon has privileges at a few hospitals and so the operating rooms are generally filled with people having elective surgery by doctors who aren't employees of the hospital. At least has been my experience with orthopedic surgery and oncological and gynecological surgery as well as cardiac surgery.

But then I also have to suspend disbelief with doctors who spend more than 1 minute with a patient - let alone any kind of significant bedside time. Nor do I know anyone - except in an emergency situation - who is told by a doctor they have no history with that they need critical surgery and then schedule it without getting another opinion or even checking with their personal physician. 🤷🏼‍♀️

[Crashcourse]

If it takes Schmidt dying to keep him from performing surgery again, then I'm all for him getting killed off.   I'm still pissed that DeLuca got killed off instead of him.

[MarylandGirl]

I agree that everyone dropped the ball on Schmidt. First, they should have put him on a psych hold after the hand scrubbing last episode. Then, he obviously wasn't OK when he walked out of the M&M--why didn't someone go after him? And why didn't Nico make more of an effort to look for him beyond asking Linc if he'd seen him? Why didn't Helm go looking for him instead of sitting in the stairwell? Well, that was partly because she was struggling, too, I guess.

And his Mom's basement seems like it should have been an obvious place to check on him. Did Nico not have his mom's number? He could have at least gone over there and banged on the door (I know he was still living in her basement while they were first dating, so he knew where it was). Or for Bailey to have checked on him (guess she was busy with all those elective surgeries that she could have rescheduled). I'm not saying I wanted him to die, but if he'd hurt himself in some way, at least then they'd all have to deal with their having just ignored him (though I suppose they've been down that road before with other doctors).

Granted, he was one of their star surgeons, but I think of how when Derek went out in the woods after he realized how many of his patients had died and they kept sending different people after him. Or how they all checked on Izzie. Plus the other examples other posters gave.

Agree that Nick is boring (I need to post this now, right after watching the ep, or I'll likely forget his name again). Though at least Meredith seemed to care about her kids here? And her colleagues? Rather than just sex?

As for the "just lose some weight" thing, my mother-in-law faced that with needing a knee replacement. After being told that by one surgeon, she got a second opinion, and an MRI showed that losing weight wouldn't help--she needed the replacement. I suppose I had thought Linc would have been more enlightened than that. Agreed that they're messing up his character. Even his, "OK!" without question when Jo said they shouldn't have sex anymore.

(I would say something about the preview, but I forget whether we're allowed to talk about them in the episode threads.)

[Avabelle]

At this point the Linc-Amelia plot is just so frustrating. They’ve had conflict in the past without Linc having to turn intO a complete asshole. Amelia is the only adult yes but to be honest I just feel like it’s because she’s completely checked out. She checked out as soon as she realised her wanted marriage and another kid and she had no interest in that. I don’t buy she’s as hurt or conflicted over the situation as Linc is and so I think it’s easier to be the mature one when you’re over the situation anyway.

I have no desire to watch them get back together when it eventually happens. They’ve butchered them. And it’s so annoying Jo is reduced to a love struck third wheel in this storyline. I loved the Jo Linc friendship - I can’t see how they’ll be the same again.

[Anela]

4 minutes ago, Avabelle said:

At this point the Linc-Amelia plot is just so frustrating. They’ve had conflict in the past without Linc having to turn intO a complete asshole. Amelia is the only adult yes but to be honest I just feel like it’s because she’s completely checked out. She checked out as soon as she realised her wanted marriage and another kid and she had no interest in that. I don’t buy she’s as hurt or conflicted over the situation as Linc is and so I think it’s easier to be the mature one when you’re over the situation anyway.

I have no desire to watch them get back together when it eventually happens. They’ve butchered them. And it’s so annoying Jo is reduced to a love struck third wheel in this storyline. I loved the Jo Linc friendship - I can’t see how they’ll be the same again.

I'm feeling the same way. I only started watching it again, after I caught up when I wasn't feeling well (in 2019), and liked him and Amelia together. I liked that he defended her to her shitty family, on the east coast. 

[Lady Calypso]

The fact that this Schmitt stuff is making feel bad for him, feel happy that Nico's paying attention, and angry at everyone else I typically like doesn't really bode well for the show. I mean, I feel like it's Opposite Day with my totally changed perspective on characters.  

This show has always been pretty bad with mental health representation and pro-therapy stances. This is no different. Schmitt should have been evaluated and ordered immediate therapy as soon as the incident happened. He should have definitely been put in a 72 hour psych hold, and he should have been monitored closely. Anyone that's living could tell that Schmitt isn't ok, yet everyone but Nico can't? It's ridiculous, really. 

Maggie was ALMOST there, until she got roped into comforting Webber, who caused this mess with his horrid Webber Method. No, the method sucks, show. You can't make me feel like the method works in any way. Good on Bailey for voicing her feelings, but I fear that, like Maggie, she'll be convinced to change her mind on it. 

Yawn at Nick/Meredith. But hey, he exists outside of her scenes so...that's something. 

The Link/Jo stuff is really irritating. Jo now can't keep up a single conversation with Amelia without making it blatantly obvious that something's up. 

Also, they really have made Link into an ass this season, haven't they? Now, he's telling patients that they should lose weight? How unprofessional. And especially after Perez tried to tell Link that an MRI was needed, not a lesson on weight loss.

[bybrandy]

I like Leo.  I don't need to ever see Leo again but I have no beef with him or his existance as opposed to the entire rest of the Hunt family (I'm also fine with Owen's mom I mean she genuinely can't be arsed to care that one of her grandkids has had a transplant and her son has almost died so clearly she's as meh on the Hunt family as the rest of us.)

I feel bad for Schmitt and how much support he isn't getting.  I mean I don't much care one way or another about his character but he's been at the hospital for a long time for nobody to care about him.  

Isn't doctor assisted suicide legal in Washington State?  It is only Owen's plans for future action that can be illegal.

I still haven't gotten used to Jo's hair.  Amelia and Linc have broken up... several times... I'm not sure Jo had to be all weird about Amelia anyway,  I think she's right to stop having non casual casual sex with Linc but genuinely I don't think there was any reason for her to be weird around Amelia.  

Why does this show think we have any interest in Nick whatsoever... and like I want to be happy that Meredith remembered she had kids for a minute but she got them to school on time (which she never does) so she could spend a few minutes with NIck.   It isn't that she's a good mom it is that she couldn't wait to ditch them someplace else to be with this necco wafer of nothing.  

[Anela]

Wait, Owen has future plans for assisted suicide? Like Mary in "Mary Kills People"?

[Avabelle]

2 hours ago, bybrandy said:

Why does this show think we have any interest in Nick whatsoever...

I think the show assumes we care about Meredith which…. In a show of crappy and exhausting characters I easily find her the dullest. It’s obvious Pompeo is checked out but will keep showing up for the big fat pay cheque. The deal is obviously that she has limited screentime and an easyish storyline that isn’t too emotional or tiring. She barely interacts with the main cast except when they all gather to remind us how amazing meredith is. You could remove her entirely froM an episode and I wouldn’t notice. Even the fake ass sisters three is more about Maggie/Amelia at this point. 
 

[bybrandy]

I'm still bitter Meredith didn't die that time Meredith died.   

[MarylandGirl]

9 minutes ago, bybrandy said:

I'm still bitter Meredith didn't die that time Meredith died.   

I suppose it says something about the show that my first thought here was "Which time?" I assume you mean when she had Covid rather than the drowning many seasons ago (or is there another time I forgot about?) But yeah, I wish she'd just stayed on the beach. She's been incredibly boring since returning to work. 

[DEL901]

4 hours ago, bybrandy said:
Isn't doctor assisted suicide legal in Washington State?  It is only Owen's plans for future action that can be illegal.

I still haven't gotten used to Jo's hair.  Amelia and Linc have broken up... several times... I'm not sure Jo had to be all weird about Amelia anyway,  I think she's right to stop having non casual casual sex with Linc but genuinely I don't think there was any reason for her to be weird around Amelia.  

Even if it is legal, there are rules, evaluations  and paperwork.  It isn’t just a person talking to a doctor who hands out meds.  

[ams1001]

12 hours ago, Lady Calypso said:

Also, they really have made Link into an ass this season, haven't they? Now, he's telling patients that they should lose weight? How unprofessional. And especially after Perez tried to tell Link that an MRI was needed, not a lesson on weight loss.

This especially bugs me because even if her problem was caused solely by her weight, that doesn't mean losing weight will magically fix the damage that now needs treatment. If the weight caused structural damage, you still have evaluate the damage itself. And if the pain of the damage prevents her from getting around easily, how do you expect her to exercise at any level that will help improve her health (if that's the goal).

-It hurts and is interfering with my life.
-Well get some exercise and lose weight so there won't be so much burden on your body.
-But it hurts too much to exercise.
-Well lose weight anyway and maybe then we'll see if something else is causing you to be in so much pain.

How is that helpful?

[PepSinger]

33 minutes ago, ams1001 said:

It hurts and is interfering with my life.
-Well get some exercise and lose weight so there won't be so much burden on your body.
-But it hurts too much to exercise.
-Well lose weight anyway and maybe then we'll see if something else is causing you to be in so much pain.

A doctor that says that is a doctor that doesn’t want to do his/her/their job.

[statsgirl]

13 hours ago, bybrandy said:

I'm not sure Jo had to be all weird about Amelia anyway,  I think she's right to stop having non casual casual sex with Linc but genuinely I don't think there was any reason for her to be weird around Amelia.  

If I trusted the writing on the show, I'd say it was because Jo knows that whatever is going on in her head, she's just a blip on Linc's  romantic timeline and even if his heart doesn't still belongs to Amelia, it's not Jo's. Maybe she feels like she's intruding into Linc's relationship with Amelia and she's a nice enough person to feel weird about it.

But probably it's was just there to try to keep us interested in this stupid plotline.

Doctors have been judgey about weight for a long time. and blame the patient.  I know someone who was referred to a weight loss doctor. After following her diet and exercise recommendations for six months, she hadn't lost weight so the doctor told her "I guess your body just doesn't want to lose weight. Keep going and come back in six months."   (She never went back.)

[shantown]

Linc was one of the only new characters introduced in the past 5+ seasons that was actually likable. I'm mad they're making him transphobic and fatphobic all of a sudden just to make sure there's a bad guy in the breakup. If they wanted to break up Linc and Amelia there was plenty of reason already with the "no marriage" thing that didn't make either person in the wrong. I wish these writers were better at writing conflict.

I know that in season 18 it can be hard to keep it "fresh" but even when they finally come up with something new, like the Owen physician-assisted suicide plot and Hayes knowing and disagreeing, they take the worst possible path with it - getting rid of the least hateable character involved and shoving Teddy and Owen to the forefront more. NOOOOOO.

[Avabelle]

2 hours ago, statsgirl said:

If I trusted the writing on the show, I'd say it was because Jo knows that whatever is going on in her head, she's just a blip on Linc's  romantic timeline and even if his heart doesn't still belongs to Amelia, it's not Jo's. Maybe she feels like she's intruding into Linc's relationship with Amelia and she's a nice enough person to feel weird about it

This is actually a good take on it.. probably not what the writers intended but it makes sense. Jo knows Linc loves Amelia and feels awkward about their hook up as a result.

I don’t though believe Amelia loves Linc. I think she could take or leave him. I don’t think she’s looking for a long term happy families type partnership. I think she prefers the shorter dramatic stuff.

[amarante]

11 hours ago, DEL901 said:

Even if it is legal, there are rules, evaluations  and paperwork.  It isn’t just a person talking to a doctor who hands out meds.  

But it is something that often occurs implicitly just as abortion used to be accessible to women from sympathetic doctors before Roe v Wade. 

I know of at least two suicides among end stage cancer patients who had appropriate drugs for when they determined the quality of life was no longer worth it. No big deal. 

As I posted the only time it becomes a "big deal" is when the suicide isn't physically capable of actually self administering the drugs because of a neurological disorder when they have full cognitive ability but no control over their physical bodies.

While Dr. Irish might not want to carry on the work as requested by Owen, I doubt most doctors would feel they had to flee the country if they found out Owen had supplied drugs that might be used by someone. What would he be reporting - that Owen wrote a prescription? At that point that was all that happened - the bulk drugs were more problematic but Dr. Irish really had no knowledge that would create consequences for him.

 

[candall]

For some crazy reason, I'm giving the original recipe Grey's another go.  I've binged up to Season Six, which may be part of why this episode feels like dreck.

'The three sisters' and Richard sitting in a folding chair cluster and having a long kumbaya scene while soft Christian rock Hallmark music swells in the background?  Embarrassing.

 

Edited March 6, 2022 by candall

[candall]

16 hours ago, Avabelle said:

the fake ass sisters three

Right.  Them!

[marceline]

On 3/4/2022 at 6:17 PM, MarylandGirl said:

I agree that everyone dropped the ball on Schmidt. First, they should have put him on a psych hold after the hand scrubbing last episode. Then, he obviously wasn't OK when he walked out of the M&M--why didn't someone go after him?

I almost started laughing at that. He darts out of the room in obvious distress and everyone just sits there and moves on to blaming Richard.

I was like, "Wow, y'all hate Schmidt as much as the audience does."

[Shelbie]

On 3/3/2022 at 10:56 PM, Good Queen Jane said:

So it’s the day after the previous episode, which took place in the week after Christmas. Of course all the Christmas decorations that were up last episode are gone and Meredith’s kids are back in school, but the Continuity Fairy did bring snow.

I appreciate that we got a little bit about the medical community’s fat bias, but it kind of got lost in the other dramas. And although I wanted Schmidt gone, I do not want to see the Very Special Episode where Schmidt commits suicide and everyone feels guilty about not helping him. 

If it is supposed to be the next day then how was Schmidt playing video games with no sign of any bandages or pain. 

[iMonrey]

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Linc was one of the only new characters introduced in the past 5+ seasons that was actually likable. I'm mad they're making him transphobic and fatphobic all of a sudden just to make sure there's a bad guy in the breakup.

How is Linc transphobic? Did I miss something? Just because he got all shirty about Amelia kissing Kai doesn't mean he's transphobic. He would have reacted the same with about Amelia kissing anybody.

[DEL901]

43 minutes ago, iMonrey said:

How is Linc transphobic? Did I miss something? Just because he got all shirty about Amelia kissing Kai doesn't mean he's transphobic. He would have reacted the same with about Amelia kissing anybody.

43 minutes ago, iMonrey said:

Agree.   And Kai isn’t trans.  They are non binary.  

[PupCal]

1 hour ago, DEL901 said:

Agree.   And Kai isn’t trans.  They are non binary.  

Uh, non-binary falls under the transgender umbrella so yes Kai is transgender, They're just not a binary trans person i.e.: MtF or FtM.

[DEL901]

22 minutes ago, PupCal said:

Uh, non-binary falls under the transgender umbrella so yes Kai is transgender, They're just not a binary trans person i.e.: MtF or FtM.

Thank you. I was not aware. 

[marceline]

5 hours ago, Shelbie said:

If it is supposed to be the next day then how was Schmidt playing video games with no sign of any bandages or pain. 

It can't be the next day. It would take a while to schedule and set up the M&M. Of course, Hayes is somehow still wandering around after giving his immediate resignation because he "has some cases to hand off" and the "boys are taking their time packing up" Meanwhile, somewhere in all this Owen has recovered enough that he's sitting up in bed after a spinal injury. 

I learned a long time ago that trying to figure out the timeline on Grey's is a gateway to madness. If you really want to go down a rabbit hole, try and figure out how old Meredith's kids are. You'll end up in the fetal position rocking and weeping in the corner. 🙂

 

[LisaM]

I really disliked this entire episode - with the exception of Perez standing up to Linc and showing that he did a good job with his medical examination of the teacher.