S04.E01: Half the Money/S04.E02: Phantom Pain

[BrownBear2012]

13 hours ago, RedDelicious said:

I’m not a huge Kayce fan but man I love it when he instantly shifts into SEAL mode and does his thing.

Yeah...he is so competent in these situations...Bozeman police need some of that. 

[blackwing]

17 hours ago, BlueHawk said:

Re: The roadside mom & kid from Johns attempted murder.

I do wish there'd been some closure there but since we saw the mom gunned down and the kid didn't show up while John was lying by the roadside for what appeared to be some time I suppose we are to assume the kid was killed by a stray bullet. Or possibly ran away and might turn up later on.  Wish the writers had addressed this even in passing. But never mind I guess...

Also I wasn't thrilled to have so much time devoted to ads for Sheridan upcoming new shows but they do look good!! 

Particularly want to see the 1890 (?) Western! Also I believe there's another spin-off coming that's going to be connected with Jimmy and where Travis is taking him. So Jimmy is gone from Yellowstone (at least for awhile) and serving as an anchor for the new show whatever the name is (something w 6666 in the title?)

I believe there are two shows... one is called "1883" and features Tim McGraw (who was seen in this episode) as the Dutton patriarch.  Faith Hill plays his wife.  The scene we saw in this episode was set in 1893 and they already owned the land in Montana that would become the Yellowstone ranch.  He had two boys with him, not sure of their ages, but the wife was nowhere to be seen.  Were they older than 10?  Kind of a mini spoiler for this new show that features Dutton Patriarch and his wife as they start of in 1883 and make their way from Texas to Montana... they obviously are going to make it to Montana and acquire the land and survive long enough to have two boys.

I think the other show is called "6666" and is about a ranch in Texas.  Hopefully Travis takes Jimmy there and Jimmy no longer has to appear on "Yellowstone" proper.  I am so tired of him.

 

13 hours ago, RedDelicious said:

It was a ghillie suit. I’m guessing he probably wore one as a SEAL. My take was that he was defending the ranch against another potential attack because they’d just brought John home from the hospital. I thought it might be a little much but sometimes you just have to stick with what you know.

Yes, I thought Kayce said something about how you can never be too careful, or something.  It seemed he was hiding in the bushes and going to kill anyone who came back for more.  Even though they already had trucks from the sheriffs department blocking the access road.

[mytmo]

So are the bones that were dug up possibly be the man the natives asked to be buried in the 1883 clip?

The lady with the grey hair (don't know her name) will be waiting for some time to get the ok to continue if at all.  That is a sacred site now.  I can see the drum being at that site but not the men's and women's fancy dancers though.  Must've been for the visual. 

[Rebky]

13 hours ago, I-Kare said:

I agree with most of the Beth comments, the only thing I'd add is that you're not a strong woman or a badass if you bully people knowing that everyone's fear of your Daddy will save your ass.

Beth is like the kid on the play ground that runs up and taunts another kid, smacks them, and then scrambles to hide behind the nearest adult. The adult in this case being the patriarch who will kill you if you dare even talk back to his darling daughter. 

I'm no Beth fan - not just because she looks like she never showers but because of the above. Rip deserves so much better - he seems so very patient with her and I just don't get it.  Didn't like how he treated Carter and how Beth just let him either.

[Crashcourse]

I think Rip said he was 15 when Dutton took him in and I doubt if Rip has ever even been with another woman besides Beth.   That's sad.  However, I don't feel sorry for him now because he's just a branded murderer who takes people to the train station.

That poor kid deserves a better home away from all the Duttons.  

Edited November 9, 2021 by Crashcourse

[blackwing]

1 hour ago, mytmo said:

So are the bones that were dug up possibly be the man the natives asked to be buried in the 1883 clip?

The lady with the grey hair (don't know her name) will be waiting for some time to get the ok to continue if at all.  That is a sacred site now.  I can see the drum being at that site but not the men's and women's fancy dancers though.  Must've been for the visual. 

I don't think "possibly", I think based on the scene that we saw with the Native American Chief asking Dutton Patriarch if he could bury his father on the land, these are certainly the father's bones.  We heard them shoot the buffalo which must have been buried along with the former chief.

I am still trying to figure out if Silver Hair is at the same company that Roarke and Willa CEO were/are at.  Or how they are all interconnected.  As far as the "fancy dancers", I'm pretty sure those dancers are doing some kind of spiritual prayer or something out of respect for the remains.  I don't think they were there just for show, Rainwater wouldn't do that.  I suppose somewhere offscreen it was confirmed that these bones were actually those of a Native American, there must have been artifacts or something that assisted with the identification.

[roughing it]

16 hours ago, BlueHawk said:

He's already playing Jamie. Sees him as a ticket to the good life for himself.

Yup.

[roughing it]

3 hours ago, blackwing said:

this new show that features Dutton Patriarch and his wife as they start of in 1883 and make their way from Texas to Montana... they obviously are going to make it to Montana and acquire the land and survive long enough to have two boys.

I think the other show is called "6666" and is about a ranch in Texas.  Hopefully Travis takes Jimmy there and Jimmy no longer has to appear on "Yellowstone" proper.  I am so tired of him.

And I believe these two new spinoff shows will air on Paramount+, which one must subscribe ($$) to.

[mytmo]

20 minutes ago, blackwing said:

I don't think "possibly", I think based on the scene that we saw with the Native American Chief asking Dutton Patriarch if he could bury his father on the land, these are certainly the father's bones.  We heard them shoot the buffalo which must have been buried along with the former chief.

I am still trying to figure out if Silver Hair is at the same company that Roarke and Willa CEO were/are at.  Or how they are all interconnected.  As far as the "fancy dancers", I'm pretty sure those dancers are doing some kind of spiritual prayer or something out of respect for the remains.  I don't think they were there just for show, Rainwater wouldn't do that.  I suppose somewhere offscreen it was confirmed that these bones were actually those of a Native American, there must have been artifacts or something that assisted with the identification.

Fancy is truly a name for that type of dance - not being used as an adjective.  I was one a long time ago.  Sometimes know as shawl.  They have women's traditional and I believe they had one there as well.  Burial sites are more restricted.  There are ceremonies for the departed but usually with much limited access.

I thought it was a calf that was shot then the women field dressed as they were hungry?  I didn't see too well what they pulled out of the trench.  I missed the buffalo.  I'll have to watch again.

[blackwing]

11 minutes ago, mytmo said:

Fancy is truly a name for that type of dance - not being used as an adjective.  I was one a long time ago.  Sometimes know as shawl.  They have women's traditional and I believe they had one there as well.  Burial sites are more restricted.  There are ceremonies for the departed but usually with much limited access.

I thought it was a calf that was shot then the women field dressed as they were hungry?  I didn't see too well what they pulled out of the trench.  I missed the buffalo.  I'll have to watch again.

Now that you mention it, I'm not sure if it was a steer or a buffalo.  The workers first pulled out an animal skull (which I suppose might have been a steer?) and then a human skull.  But I associated the animal skull with whatever animal was shot in the flashback.

[Crashcourse]

21 minutes ago, mytmo said:

I thought it was a calf that was shot then the women field dressed as they were hungry?  I didn't see too well what they pulled out of the trench.  I missed the buffalo.  I'll have to watch again.

Yes, it was the calf that was shot that Dutton gave to them because they were hungry. 

Edited November 9, 2021 by Crashcourse

[SuprSuprElevated]

18 hours ago, Crashcourse said:

Yeah, I was wondering why he was dressed like that.  

My only guess was that he was guarding the place since the old man was coming home.  Producer driven dramatic moment more than anything probably.

18 hours ago, zoey1996 said:

I was thinking John was hallucinating at first.

Good guess really.

[mledawn]

I wish Jamie would grow a backbone and stand up for himself. He acts clueless when Beth shows up at his office to confront him as guilty. The whole family was attacked - what do you think she means? No one is that dumb. 

[SuprSuprElevated]

17 hours ago, RedDelicious said:

It was a ghillie suit. I’m guessing he probably wore one as a SEAL. My take was that he was defending the ranch against another potential attack because they’d just brought John home from the hospital. I thought it might be a little much but sometimes you just have to stick with what you know.

Yeah, what I figured too, after they revealed that he wasn't completely daft.

[SuprSuprElevated]

1 hour ago, blackwing said:

I am still trying to figure out if Silver Hair is at the same company that Roarke and Willa CEO were/are at.  Or how they are all interconnected.

Yes, I believe she introduced herself as the Chair of the Board of Market Equities when she was approached by Rainwater.

[kn51]

Glad to have it back on with an extra dose of insanity.

Watching Kaycee spring into action taught me something.  Next to the paper clips, some pens and loose change in my desk drawer, I need a grenade in case something happens while I'm in the office.

[Msample]

I think they showed Kayce plucking the grenade off his tactical vest that he had in the office, so its part of his normal kit...I guess. Of course why a Livestock agent needs a tac vest and an assault rifle is beyond me, LOL.  

 

 

[blackwing]

36 minutes ago, Msample said:

I think they showed Kayce plucking the grenade off his tactical vest that he had in the office, so its part of his normal kit...I guess. Of course why a Livestock agent needs a tac vest and an assault rifle is beyond me, LOL.  

I think he started out with just his pistol.  When the shooting started, he overturned his desk.  Fired off shots with his pistol.  Killed a few.  Then took the assault rifle from one of the dead guys.

[Bulldog]

6 hours ago, Msample said:

I think they showed Kayce plucking the grenade off his tactical vest that he had in the office, so its part of his normal kit...I guess. Of course why a Livestock agent needs a tac vest and an assault rifle is beyond me, LOL. 

I'm assuming livestock agent is an actual government office in Montana.  I live in a mostly rural state.  We have an Agriculture Commissioner, but I had never heard of a livestock agent until this show.  I'm fairly certain our Ag Commissioner isn't armed.

[mledawn]

36 minutes ago, Bulldog said:

I'm assuming livestock agent is an actual government office in Montana.  I live in a mostly rural state.  We have an Agriculture Commissioner, but I had never heard of a livestock agent until this show.  I'm fairly certain our Ag Commissioner isn't armed.

You would not be the first to have only heard of a livestock agent until this show. Outside has a little article on the livestock agent role in the show and if it's true to life.

From the the article:

"[...] as they are law enforcement agents, they are allowed to carry guns while they are on duty. This means that if they need to, they are well within the law to discharge their weapon in the line of duty. They go through extensive training to become a Livestock Agent. Along with guns, they also are given patrol cars to carry out their job."

[spacefly]

18 hours ago, kn51 said:

I need a grenade in case something happens while I'm in the office.

So I watch too much SWAT or maybe Criminal Minds but I do believe that was a Flash Bang and not a Grenade. A grenade had s the power to blow up that entire office. A Flash Bang will distract and disorient the attackers giving Kayce the chance to "kill them all". Further research shows Flash bangs are also referred to as stun grenades, learn something new daily.

 

 

 

Edited November 10, 2021 by spacefly
I guess a Flash Bang is also referred to as a Grenade

[Lonesome Rhodes]

On 11/8/2021 at 3:13 PM, Msample said:

I'd love to know where the Duttons are getting all the money for the big time rodeo team they are sponsoring when they keep whining that they can barely afford the property taxes. 

So when Beth gets fired, she taunts that her soon to be former boss is the CO owner of all the land they acquired. Who is the other owner ? Market Equities now ?

 

 

Where?  From the same checks Sheridan refused to cash.  In other words, in the fantasy that is Yellowstone.  Nothing to see here.  Just suspend disbelief.  It really is a helluva show if one simply ignores basic reality.    

On 11/9/2021 at 1:25 PM, blackwing said:

I am still trying to figure out if Silver Hair is at the same company that Roarke and Willa CEO were/are at.  Or how they are all interconnected.  As far as the "fancy dancers", I'm pretty sure those dancers are doing some kind of spiritual prayer or something out of respect for the remains.  I don't think they were there just for show, Rainwater wouldn't do that.  

On 11/8/2021 at 3:13 PM, Msample said:

 

Yes.  Silver Hair took over when the AA CEO was summarily dismissed for so badly botching the whole deal.  'Ol Bob took them for a ton, and Beth grabbed gobs of land in the process.  Darned if I can explain just how it happened, though.  Longs and Shorts (Think Frozen Concentrated Orange Juice and Eddie Murphy) don't work like that.  Roarke was already toast before the CEO got canned, IIRC.   It made zero sense for him to stay in that area.  I don't care how good the fishing was in that crick.

I liked the symmetry of Beth meeting the kid with her meeting Roarke at the beginning of a season.  She is/was clearly wary of both, but could not resist.  The scene at the bar where she encouraged the wife to take the reins was fun.  The scene with Bob and his minion was unnecessarily combative, imo.   It was fine that she threw the drink on the stooge.  But, Beth knew that Bob would not bat an eye.  It's just business.  And, in the first place, she begged him to come on down, knowing he was a rapacious capitalist.  The reveal that she co-owned the land was cool, but the hatred expressed to Bob beforehand was, even for Beth, a bit much.

The two scenes that worked best for me were the warm spring with John and Kayce, and the encounter between John and the kid who needed to be first.  Each was priceless and timeless.  To me, this is the Costner vision being played out within the outrageous and fantastical violence.  That's not to mention the miraculous healing all over the place.

No way did Jamie consciously order or take part in any aspect of the attacks.  He is not that strong, nor smart.  Was he played, like Fredo?  I'd bet every chip I have left in Rainwater's casino that he was.  Speaking of Rainwater...he is, imo, every bit capable of using rites and rituals to advance the financials and/or the political power of the Confederation.  Silver Hair is right in this.  If the deal works, goodbye to all the profound sacredness of the soil.

True story...a company I worked for built a new plant in the boonies.  It was once tribal land.  Truly unknown, but discovered, was a burial mound.  It was in a  most inconvenient location.  The company bought up all the surrounding land it needed, at a premium, of course.  But, they were forced to build the main building right next to the mound, which could not be disturbed.  The tribe went on and on about the sacredness of the mound, and that was respected.  They refused to sell.  It was left untouched.  Wellllll, once the build workaround was done and everything began operating, guess what happened?  The tribe said for a sweetened offer and the cost of reburial, the mound could be removed.  It was.  I take no position as to the significance of mounds such as that one.  I am only illustrating how core principal can be bought in our lovely world.  YMMV.

"Smart bird."  That right there was a hoot.  

 

[mledawn]

6 hours ago, Lonesome Rhodes said:

 

The two scenes that worked best for me were the warm spring with John and Kayce, and the encounter between John and the kid who needed to be first.  Each was priceless and timeless.  To me, this is the Costner vision being played out within the outrageous and fantastical violence.  That's not to mention the miraculous healing all over the place.No

"Smart bird."  That right there was a hoot.  

 

Agreed - and Costner is looking better this season, which is a sharp contrast to how his character is supposed to be looking. 

The bird cracked me up.

[SnarkyMcSnarkerson]

On 11/8/2021 at 9:23 AM, RedDelicious said:

I’m not a huge Kayce fan but man I love it when he instantly shifts into SEAL mode and does his thing.

Me too, makes my ovaries go pew! pew! pew! pew! They're firing on all cylinders now haha!

[RedDelicious]

8 hours ago, Lonesome Rhodes said:

Yes.  Silver Hair took over when the AA CEO was summarily dismissed for so badly botching the whole deal.  'Ol Bob took them for a ton, and Beth grabbed gobs of land in the process.  Darned if I can explain just how it happened, though.  Longs and Shorts (Think Frozen Concentrated Orange Juice and Eddie Murphy) don't work like that.  Roarke was already toast before the CEO got canned, IIRC.   It made zero sense for him to stay in that area.  I don't care how good the fishing was in that crick.

True story...a company I worked for built a new plant in the boonies.  It was once tribal land.  Truly unknown, but discovered, was a burial mound.  It was in a  most inconvenient location.  The company bought up all the surrounding land it needed, at a premium, of course.  But, they were forced to build the main building right next to the mound, which could not be disturbed.  The tribe went on and on about the sacredness of the mound, and that was respected.  They refused to sell.  It was left untouched.  Wellllll, once the build workaround was done and everything began operating, guess what happened?  The tribe said for a sweetened offer and the cost of reburial, the mound could be removed.  It was.  I take no position as to the significance of mounds such as that one.  I am only illustrating how core principal can be bought in our lovely world.  YMMV.

"Smart bird."  That right there was a hoot.  

 

I love this reference. Merry New Year! 🍊🥓

Very interesting! My dad has a couple of those stories too - he designed and supered construction projects for a large corporation in the sports industry and several times they found long abandoned old cemeteries completely concealed in the brush when they went to survey land. 

The tribal dancers were really beautiful. And on a separate note I really want John and Rainwater to team up.

[AnnA]

2 hours ago, RedDelicious said:

 

The tribal dancers were really beautiful. And on a separate note I really want John and Rainwater to team up.

Yes they were beautiful.

I've been waiting and waiting for John and Rainwater to team up so I really hope it happens this season.  We did get to see the preview of Rainwater and Mo bringing someone to John and telling him that person was behind the attacks.  Too bad we couldn't see who it was.  I hope we don't have to wait too long.  That's one good thing about Yellowstone.  They don't make you wait long to resolve an issue (unless it was S4 LOL).

In one of the previews we see Jamie pointing a gun at someone.    After seeing that I keep thinking that Jamie will kill Randall.  I don't know why yet but I predict it will happen.

[Msample]

Will Patton was upped to series regular this season so I don’t think Randle gets whacked anytime soon.

[AnnA]

2 hours ago, Msample said:

Will Patton was upped to series regular this season so I don’t think Randle gets whacked anytime soon.

I know but there's only 10 episodes and we've already seen 2.   S4 should be over by New Years.

Edited November 11, 2021 by AnnA

[kn51]

On 11/11/2021 at 2:16 AM, Lonesome Rhodes said:

Where?  From the same checks Sheridan refused to cash.  In other words, in the fantasy that is Yellowstone.  Nothing to see here.  Just suspend disbelief.  It really is a helluva show if one simply ignores basic reality.    

 

Yep, this can't be overstated enough.  I've been guilty over the years over analyzing shows.  Eventually learned who cares, it is what it is and just chuckle at it all and enjoy the ride.  Sure, a couple guys and gals in a bunk house are able to take care of 50,000 acres that somehow generates ample income yet still be close to insolvency.  Or a private chef that can crank out Michelin star family meals.  And then Jaime, who's political life would be so under fire and scrutiny by the media due to various assassination attempts he couldn't take a dump without it being front page news.

Fun to talk about, but to be honest it wouldn't add much addressing it all in the show anyways.  Hand wave it away.  Heck, I find the whole new kid thing one of the more unbelievable parts of the show and much harder to stomach.  I just feel this show is not the venue for it.  Tate was/is more than enough.  

[SG429]

3 hours ago, kn51 said:

Heck, I find the whole new kid thing one of the more unbelievable parts of the show and much harder to stomach.

Like, perhaps, a hospital social worker for a soon-to-be-orphaned kid? Or asking a question or two of an anonymous adult that suddenly shows up bedside and leaves with a child.

"Nurse, where's the boy?"

"He left with a woman he said he knew."

"Who was it? His relatives are here."

"Woopsie."

 

[kn51]

"Not a problem.  She paid the $25 fee, kid got his shots, got microchipped and is headed to a good home."

[Joimiaroxeu]

I watched the first episode last week and just finished the second episode. My reactions:
E1
Beth walking out from the explosion like a zombie. I halfway expected her to start eating somebody's brains. She sure looked like she wanted to.

Well Tate is officially a killer now. Welcome to the Dutton family, buddy!

Good lord, the gunfight Kayce was in when he caught up to the blue van. That scene must've been a wet dream for gun aficionados. Oy, but it sure was hard to watch in light of recent unfortunate events on a movie set. I trust Kevin Coster is handling such things with the utmost care.

So much for Rip's Caribou Dream House. 🔥🔥🔥

Is Beth actually developing a maternal instinct? That kid who lost his heroin addict daddy was just like her. If this was a daytime soap it would eventually turn out that he's actually her biological son. There'd be some craziness like her embryo was stolen when she supposed to be getting an abortion, it was frozen for a few years, and then implanted in another woman. 😏

Even haggard KC was looking fine. Good genes.

Poor Maggie the home nurse. Guess no one clued her in on what she'd be up against with John Dutton as a patient. Hope she at least got paid for the whole day.

Lol, Kayce's gone yeti. (Was surprised to learn elsewhere that there's a theory Kayce is actually dead and John imagines him. Okay.)

Jamie must have balls of titanium if he put out a hit on his on whole family and he's still there trying to act innocent. But I wish Beth would get on with it instead of continuing to threaten him.

How did Roarke not know who Rip was? Whatever, what a bizarre way to kill someone, by throwing a venomous snake at them. Guess it's a good way not to leave evidence that could be traced back.

E2
Brave stance of Costner IMO to be using the militias as the villains.

Jamie's buying a ranch. Wonder how long it'll be before psycho Beth burns it down on top of him?

"Living in Montana is poverty with a view."

So who's this Travis guy? He's a lot and he knows it.

I'm still thinking Jimmy's girlfriend is problematic. She already got him paralyzed. Next time it might be dead.

Where are Tate and Monica? Not that I want Monica back but they could at least mention where Kayce's family is. That is, assuming he's not a ghost. 🙄

Even Rip knew the bunkhouse is no place for a kid. Meanwhile, Beth as a housewife is hilarious. She's going to love playing mommy to the little brat Carter.

[Crashcourse]

11 minutes ago, Joimiaroxeu said:

Good lord, the gunfight Kayce was in when he caught up to the blue van. That scene must've been a wet dream for gun aficionados. Oy, but it sure was hard to watch in light of recent unfortunate events on a movie set. I trust Kevin Coster is handling such things with the utmost care.

Sadly, when I watched that gunfight, the Rust tragedy was the first thing I thought of.

[BlueHawk]

Somehow,  I missed   the implication of the name "militia " when  Kayce  used that  during his hot spring chat with John. I took it to be his term for a general organized group of attackers & missed connecting it to the extremists hired by the Becks to kidnap Tate.

 I accepted without question that both Becks were thoroughly dead at the end of season 2. And now I've heard a theory that possibly Martin survived and organized the blitz attack on the Yellowstone & the individual Duttons.

 This is definitely interesting. If the attacks were not at the direction of Market Equities or Jamie's bio-dad & the killers were indeed the same extremists from the kidnapping then revenge replaces greed as primary motive. ME motives were wanting the power & $$$ that creating a new city/ destination for the 1% would bring.

 Jamie was willing and able to hand over the acreage due to Beth's accidental mistake in the paperwork that put the decisions in Jamie's hands & not hers as she thought.     With John out of commission Jamie  was able to go ahead and lease the land so ME could begin to "pave this place over" as the old witch stated. I'm sure Jamie made/is making a bunch of money for himself from the deal.

  Sounded like Willa was fired or at least removed from the Yellowstone project. 

   And Roarke is dead. Death by serpent for that human snake. Very apropros Rip, old boy!😁😉

 I agree with Kayce that Jamie leased & didn't sell because he's still deeply emotionally invested with the Duttons.      His whole life has been trying to live up to & be worthy of the family he's up to now believed was his blood & those feelings didn't suddenly stop just because he found out it wasn't.

 He's hurt and angry & his newly discovered parent is presenting him with the idea he is  worthy of respect and capable of manifesting power of his own. Which he has never believed himself capable of.

  Of course NewDad wants to convince Jamie of all this because NewDad sees Jamie's weakness, self-doubt,  neediness & feeling of being unloved as a shiny wide open path to a wealthy, comfortable, life of ease and power for himself with a bonus of some revenge on John Dutton. He's  just internally rubbing his hands in glee at how easy it is to manipulate this kid.

 Jamie's just inherently clueless & innocent of involvement in the attacks. He really doesn't have the stomach for the killing stuff (recall his reaction to that reporter he dispatched?).

   If the extremist militia are the active killers then the head honchos behind it might well have come from the direction that the Becks were last seen. Perhaps an unknown family member seeking retribution for the demise of Teal & Martin?

 Or the militia organized the whole thing on their own purely out of  payback for the killing and destruction of that particular cell of theirs.

Current Theory of the Week for Sat. 11/13/21. Subject to change in 24 hrs. when tomorrow's episode airs. 😁

 

[AnnA]

"possibly Martin survived"  "Teal & Martin?"

His name was Malcolm not Martin.

"Jamie was willing and able to hand over the acreage due to Beth's accidental mistake in the paperwork that put the decisions in Jamie's hands & not hers as she thought."

We don't know this yet.  It could be because Beth and John were both out of commission due to the attacks.  Jamie made two opposite statements about the Power of Attorney.  One saying it was legal in Montana but just "muddied the waters" because it was filed in Utah and the other saying it was not recognized in Montana.   In real life a POA filed in Utah would definitely be legal in Montana but this is TVLand.

Edited November 14, 2021 by AnnA

[AnnA]

On 11/8/2021 at 10:54 PM, I-Kare said:

I agree with most of the Beth comments, the only thing I'd add is that you're not a strong woman or a badass if you bully people knowing that everyone's fear of your Daddy will save your ass.

Beth is like the kid on the play ground that runs up and taunts another kid, smacks them, and then scrambles to hide behind the nearest adult. The adult in this case being the patriarch who will kill you if you dare even talk back to his darling daughter. 

I disagree.  Beth doesn't use fear of her father to intimidate anyone.   When those two thugs came into her office and nearly killed her, she wasn't hiding behind Daddy.  She fought them with every ounce of strength she had.   I can't think of a single time Beth hid behind John

[Crashcourse]

Sure, Beth fought for her life with the two thugs, as would anybody.  Nobody wants to just lie down and get killed.  She had nothing to lose, so why not fight for her life?  But when it comes to business dealings, she most certainly does hide behind her daddy Dutton.  

[AnnA]

3 hours ago, Crashcourse said:

Sure, Beth fought for her life with the two thugs, as would anybody.  Nobody wants to just lie down and get killed.  She had nothing to lose, so why not fight for her life?  But when it comes to business dealings, she most certainly does hide behind her daddy Dutton.  

Most of her business deals were in Salt Lake City.  When she came back to Montana to help her father, she bought land using Bob's money - not her father's.  I don't know why you think she hid behind John because it's just not true.  If anything, John's influence had been weakened and she helped bolster it with her land deals.

 

Edited November 14, 2021 by AnnA

[Crashcourse]

1 hour ago, AnnA said:

Most of her business deals were in Salt Lake City.  When she came back to Montana to help her father, she bought land using Bob's money - not her father's.  I don't know why you think she hid behind John because it's just not true.  If anything, John's influence had been weakened and she helped bolster it with her land deals.

 

Nah, she hides behind her father, thinking if people are afraid of him, they'll be afraid of her.  

That's just my opinion and I stand by it.

[AnnA]

2 hours ago, Crashcourse said:

Nah, she hides behind her father, thinking if people are afraid of him, they'll be afraid of her.  

That's just my opinion and I stand by it.

I disagree.

[Crashcourse]

7 minutes ago, AnnA said:

I disagree.

Fine, and that's your opinion.  I've already expressed mine.  

[I-Kare]

3 hours ago, Crashcourse said:

Nah, she hides behind her father, thinking if people are afraid of him, they'll be afraid of her.  

That's just my opinion and I stand by it.

Yup! Which is exactly what I was talking about with my post. I wasn't talking about one isolated incident where she - for once - didn't do that. 

Edited November 15, 2021 by I-Kare
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[AnnA]

I disagree with the posters who believe Beth hides behind John but they are entitled to their opinion just as I am entitled to mine.   Some people dislike Beth and won't give her credit for anything.   Personally, I don't understand why anyone who dislikes Beth would watch Yellowstone

Edited November 17, 2021 by AnnA

[Raja]

On 11/9/2021 at 7:05 AM, blackwing said:

I believe there are two shows... one is called "1883" and features Tim McGraw (who was seen in this episode) as the Dutton patriarch.  Faith Hill plays his wife.  The scene we saw in this episode was set in 1893 and they already owned the land in Montana that would become the Yellowstone ranch.  He had two boys with him, not sure of their ages, but the wife was nowhere to be seen.  Were they older than 10?  Kind of a mini spoiler for this new show that features Dutton Patriarch and his wife as they start of in 1883 and make their way from Texas to Montana... they obviously are going to make it to Montana and acquire the land and survive long enough to have two boys.

I think the other show is called "6666" and is about a ranch in Texas.  Hopefully Travis takes Jimmy there and Jimmy no longer has to appear on "Yellowstone" proper.  I am so tired of him.

 

Yes, I thought Kayce said something about how you can never be too careful, or something.  It seemed he was hiding in the bushes and going to kill anyone who came back for more.  Even though they already had trucks from the sheriffs department blocking the access road.

I forgot which guy started a war with the Dutton's and the only security he had was a couple of Deputies at the gate when Kayce went in and got him. I do think they were Livestock Agents and the gate, so more under Dutton control  when the Sheriff's escort brought in the ambulance.

On 11/9/2021 at 2:37 PM, blackwing said:

I think he started out with just his pistol.  When the shooting started, he overturned his desk.  Fired off shots with his pistol.  Killed a few.  Then took the assault rifle from one of the dead guys.

He started out with his pistol and the bullet resistant furniture when pulled a flashbang grenade from his desk then grabbed the bad guys weapon as he armored up. Beth on the other hand is not human she is some kind of demon 

I guess Monica and Tate are on the reservation being protected by the Chairman and Tribal Police . If I was Kayce that is where I would have told them to run to

[Milburn Stone]

On 11/9/2021 at 12:25 PM, blackwing said:

As far as the "fancy dancers", I'm pretty sure those dancers are doing some kind of spiritual prayer or something out of respect for the remains.  I don't think they were there just for show, Rainwater wouldn't do that. 

I not only think he would do that, I think he should do that. He understands the value of public relations in the survival of his cause. Dutton is just waking up to it. The show drew a parallel there.

[Lakebum]

On 11/8/2021 at 2:43 PM, BlueHawk said:

I believe the deal w Travis (that I love is played by Sheridan himself-- and him getting to show off some riding skills) is being based mostly on spec of a sort & pretty sure John can manage a loan from somewhere. And Travis was confident about "stacking checks on the desk as thick as a phone book".

I believe that was a timber rattler not a cottonmouth. The venom is way more deadly and quick acting and also that snake is common in that part of the country-- cottonmouths are found mostly in lower Midwest & the South -- lower elevations and warmer climes. All snakes can swim btw. Cottonmouth are aggressive awa vicious. A million years ago I had some acreage on a river on the Ks.-Mo border and some of the kids were swimming while we checked the trotline when a cottonmouth swam towards the swimmers. They hightailed it to the overhanging trees & pulled up out of the water and that snake wound itself around a protruding root and was stretching and snapping at one terrified girl right up until one of the adults who had brought his rifle blew its head right off. Nasty Critters...

It was a Western Diamondback Rattlesnake (and not native to Montana... though their range is closer to Montana than the range of Cottonmouths!) And they don't possess that same "Insta-Kill" venom that is so prevalent in Hollywood, so Roarke's death was a bit unrealistic. In reality he would have had tremendous swelling and discoloration around the bite, that would spread as the venom spread, killing tissue. Granted, the face would be a TERRIBLE place to suffer a bite... but it wouldn't have resulted in that quick, foam-at-the-mouth demise. (UNLESS, he was allergic to the venom, like some people are allergic to bee stings. That does happen, and it's really the only way to explain that death occurring from that bite.)

[Lakebum]

On 11/8/2021 at 3:18 PM, SonofaBiscuit said:

 

Sweet geezus, all snakes can swim?!  Nightmare fuel!!

 

All snakes can swim. And, all snakes can climb trees! So don't forget to look up...😁

(However, no snakes are as mean, aggressive or vengeful as some people tend to think.)

[Dowel Jones]

21 minutes ago, Lakebum said:

(However, no snakes are as mean, aggressive or vengeful as some people tend to think.)

Just Dutton Snakes.

[CaptainE]

On 11/16/2021 at 8:40 PM, AnnA said:

I disagree with the posters who believe Beth hides behind John but they are entitled to their opinion just as I am entitled to mine.   Some people dislike Beth and won't give her credit for anything.   Personally, I don't understand why anyone who dislikes Beth would watch Yellowstone

Necropost, but she whined to daddy after Jamie hit her in season one.  John then threatened his adopted son.

[AnnA]

On 4/1/2022 at 11:24 PM, CaptainE said:

Necropost, but she whined to daddy after Jamie hit her in season one.  John then threatened his adopted son.

No she didn't.  We never saw her tell John anything and John never said she told him.  

He figured out what happened because they were both at home and both came back from the barn with bruises.

 

 

Edited April 5, 2022 by AnnA