S02.E10: Zoey’s Extraordinary Girls’ Night

[formerlyfreedom]

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Zoey gets more than she bargained for when she tries to help Emily with a problem. Maggie reconnects with an old friend. Max, Simon and Mo have a bonding night together.

Airing Sunday, April 18, 2021.

 

 

[allonsyalice]

Spoiler

BERNADETTE!!!!!

 

[Trini]

Preview clip with Mo and Perry here: https://www.etonline.com/zoeys-extraordinary-playlist-sneak-peek-mo-proposes-meeting-perrys-kids-for-the-first-time

 

[ams1001]

I loved To Make You Feel My Love.

"What is going on because if I'm the one who's excited by sports then something is deeply wrong." I know how you feel, Mo. Love that it turned into spa night.

I don't usually cry at TV shows. This is the second week in a row this show has made me all teary-eyed (when Zoey started to cry in the church, and again when Emily told David she needed help).

(Also I know covid isn't a thing in Zoey-world, but I was just listening to the NYT's The Daily podcast's Sunday Read, which was about the choir rehearsal that turned into a super-spreader event early in the pandemic, so the choir scene was a little 😱.)

I like Rose.

[funnygirl]

I love Deb. I love Bernadette Peters. 

Zoey going to therapy should've started in 2x04 after she had to hit "pause"… better late than never, I guess. 

3 episodes left. 

Edited April 19, 2021 by funnygirl

[dubbel zout]

11 minutes ago, ams1001 said:

Love that it turned into spa night.

I loved all of their facial treatments, and the "yeeessss" when Mo suggested foot baths.

For someone who was going to spend more time listening, Zoey was awfully pushy with Emily to tell her what was going on. I like that Emily told David. He was the right person and said the right things.

It's also good Zoey finally realized she needs to talk to a professional. 

[ams1001]

42 minutes ago, dubbel zout said:

It's also good Zoey finally realized she needs to talk to a professional. 

So will the psychologist believe her? Or think she's hallucinating or something?

[phalange]

The To Make You Feel My Love scene was really well done, with Emily moving in slow motion. I’m glad she opened up to David and that she’ll be getting the help she needs with her post-partum.

Always good to see Bernadette Peters again. I like her friendship with Maggie as someone who understands what Maggie’s going through.

Mo meeting Perry’s kids was cute and I love Mo getting a hamster to prove he’s responsible.

It’s good that Zoey is also talking to a therapist now. I’m interested to see how the therapist reacts to Zoey saying she has a super power. 

[shapeshifter]

2 hours ago, ams1001 said:

So will the psychologist believe her? Or think she's hallucinating or something?

I don't think those 2 things are mutually exclusive, and I don't think most therapists would think describing a hallucination as a super power necessarily means that the client/patient is totally dissociating from reality. But, yeah, it could go either way. Or both.

Edited April 19, 2021 by shapeshifter

[twoods]

I haven’t heard “Tearin’ Up My Heart” in ages. Love that song, and the trio sang it better than N sync. 
Glad that Emily told David everything and that Zoey is finally getting the help she should have gotten months ago.

I am also loving Rose, and the boys with spa night. At least Simon is figuring out her “powers.” Hope she comes clean soon.

I think public restrooms are so gross so Emily singing in one and touching everything made me go ick, even though I loved her song.

Edited April 19, 2021 by twoods

[Trini]

Points to Simon for almost figuring it out; maybe that will help when (if?) Zoey tells him her secret.

Yeah, spa night was cute.

Emily!  😭 😭 😭  I'm glad she was able to open up to Zoey and David at the end. But yeah, Zoey was being a bit pushy, even if she had good intentions.

Zoey powers are seemingly uncontrollable, but I hope that her seeking therapy helps with how it affects others in her life. I don't know if the therapist completely believing her is really necessary, as long as he takes her concerns seriously.

I like Simon and Zoey together, but I still find it odd that they had Max and Zoey together for a minute, only for them to be with other people now. Rose is fine but I don't know if her relationship with Max is going anywhere.

[ciubecca98]

someone judges Max / Zoey endgame😭because ...

Zoey replaced the “Everything is Under CTRL” poster she had hung up next to the door of her apartment with the “A Moment Like This” gift that Max gave her. It was plainly visible when Simon walked into her apartment to surprise her with breakfast. Thinking many thoughts.

however for me it is already over since Zoey used to her advantage (since she was not obliged and she too was not without fault) the dance of the heart between Max / Rose to start the relationship with Simon !!!!

 

Edited April 19, 2021 by ciubecca98

[ElectricBoogaloo]

Max's interaction with Rose reminded me why I didn't like him when he was pursuing Zoey either. He is so passive aggresively whiny. He KNEW that Rose was only going to be in SF for a limited time yet when she mentioned that the hologram tour (!) was coming to town after she left, he complained about how he loves pre-scheduling his break ups. STFU, Max. You knew this was the deal so stop complaining about it. Like Rose said, enjoy the time you have together instead of moping about how it's going to end eventually. And see? If you just TELL someone who you feel instead of making petty comments, look what happens!

I know this goes without saying but YAY for the return of Bernadette Peters! Deb had the right idea taking Maggie out. Going to a place where no one knows you is a great way to get people to stop looking at you like Widow Maggie or whoever they think you are. Seeing Maggie go back made me wonder if she liked the anonymity or if they're going to turn this into a drinking/gambling problem (which is definitely what would happen on a typical night soap opera type show).

Ha, I loved that Mo, Simon, and Max started out having sports night and it turned into spa night. I really enjoy the friendship between them and I'm glad it continued after Zoey came back from Mitch's death. I LOVED Tearin' Up My Heart - it's about time we had a song with harmonies like that!

I know Zoey was being pushier than usual but I understood why. Emily was clearly really depressed and there was no way to help her until she took the first step and actually admitted that she was depressed. I suspected in the previous episode that she was stuffing her feelings down and pretending everything was fine in an effort to keep David from worrying similar to a functioning alcoholic who no one suspects has a problem. Hearing her sing Gasoline in the bathroom was heartbreaking. It wasn't at all surprising that someone like Emily who has been successful at everything felt guilty because she couldn't will away her depression. Constantly moving the goalposts and thinking that she would be okay once XYZ is a pretty common coping mechanism, but in a way that was a good sign to me because she was still hopeful.

Zoey crying because of Mo's song was such a good moment. I'm glad she finally realized that she needs professional help, and not just going to Mo. Similarly, I was glad that once Emily told David about her depression she told him that she needed professional help. I hate the stigma that still exists for mental health issues and going to a therapist. It's usually the people who have no problem popping pills for a headache or getting chemo for cancer, but somehow they think it's so taboo to see a therapist. You take your car to a mechanic when there's something wrong with the engine and feel no shame, so please, people, take yourself to a therapist for your mental health issues!

 

 

[shapeshifter]

I might rewatch this episode later because I fell asleep at the midpoint commercial (it's me, not the show). 
So maybe that's why I didn't see the plot with Zoey trying to get Emily to admit she needed professional help as leading to Zoey admitting the same for herself?
Did all y'all see that handwriting on the wall within the context of this episode?

[FnkyChkn34]

I didn't love this episode.  I think I'm just falling out of like with this show in general.  Mo is still the one shining star. 

There's just something off about both of the main relationships - Simon and Zoey, and Rose and Max.  Simon just seems too... mature?  Sophisticated? Worldly? for Zoey.  I'm not sure what exactly it is, but they don't mesh for me.  And maybe I can't seem to care about Max and Rose because I know absolutely nothing about Rose?  She's been forced on us with only one small piece of personal info, she's proud of her sobriety.  That's great and all, but it doesn't make her interesting enough to care about.  The only thing I can say about her is that I like her hair.

I hope that Maggie doesn't become addicted to gambling.  I'm not quite sure what that ending meant.     

[chaifan]

I'm on the fence on this episode...

Positives: 

I'm not a big David fan, but To Make You Feel My Love was beautiful and sad, and I liked him throughout the episode. 

I'm glad Zoey is taking the step forward to see a therapist.  I am interested to see how he responds.  Whether or not he truly believes her, wouldn't he be obligated to refer her to a neurologist or someone like that to make sure nothing really did happen to her brain in the MRI?  Because there are two possibilities here - she had an MRI and immediately started hallucinating, or she had an MRI and immediately started hearing heart songs.  Either way, something happened to her brain.

The return of Bernadette Peters.  Love her.  Hope she becomes a recurring character with more frequency.  But...

Negatives:

The song choice for Bernadette Peters.  I don't think it worked well for her, and I hate myself for saying that.

Wasn't crazy about the whole casino thing.  As a one off lark, ok, but seeing Maggie go back alone later was a little sad.  It doesn't seem to fit her character, other than wanting anonymity, which she could get at a lot other places.  I hope it doesn't become a thing.  Also, I was hoping it would give Mary S a chance to show off her acting chops, and have a montage of crazy accents/personas, not just Savannah from Savannah. 

Will TV/movie characters ever be able to fake drinking coffee convincingly???  Pet peeve of mine going back to Gilmore Girls, and Deb and Maggie were just as bad here. 

 

[D Angel]

Random thoughts for S2 E10:

1) FINALLY some forward motion on the S2 main plot, with Zoey realizing that she has to tell someone other than Max and Mo about her powers. Well done of getting those two together with Simon for when he shares his recognition that Zoey seems supernaturally empathetic. I agree that Max and Mo wouldn't tell him, once they realize that Zoey's hasn't spilled the beans yet, but they should tell Zoey to get on with it with Simon or end the relationship.

2) Mo/Perry relationship seems forced and plot-driven. Not much chemistry there and Mo is all about chemistry. 

3) Max and Rose are a better couple (i.e., chemistry) than either Zoey/Max or Zoey/Simon. I'm hoping they can work it out despite the distance as Max is finally relieved of the Zoey infatuation and longing of many years. Mazel Tov!!

4) I hope we don't see Maggie taking up gambling. It would be Just another plot-driven vehicle. A new love interest for her would be better.

5) Agree with the poster above who says Zoey should have sought help by S2 E4. A good psychologist will neither believe or disbelieve Zoey about her powers. He'll certainly recognize that Zoey believes what is happening and will encourage her to probe it further with his help. He'll probably also suggest an MRI immediately ... which will be ironic to the max. And he'll ask Zoey the questions Zoey should have been asking herself all along. So I hope this plot line will be the focus of the rest of the season, with regular life interspersed.

6) Different actor (or maybe different pastor) at Mo's church than S1. Too bad. I liked that guy. And Zoey didn't go talk to Mo at the end of the service, unless that happened off camera but I seemed like Zoey/Simon just got up from their seats with Zoey still crying and left.

7) This, for me, was the first episode which actually felt as strong as S1's best. What did it for me was Emily's bathroom song because that's what got Zoey to realize that she was jsut as screwed up as Emily, if not moreso.  I thought Zoey was going to share with Emily since Emily finally spoke up, but doing so would have taken the focus away from Emily's issues which wouldn't have been right.

8) We;re past the "grief" storyline, at last.  

[allonsyalice]

JON HAMMSTER!!!!

 

This episode was heavy. Pandemic Depression TM has been hitting me harder than I thought these days and it's hard to watch someone else go through depression, even tho I know its not real. And the way Emily broke down and then immediately was like SORRY! IM SORRY! is too real. Too, too real. 

[shapeshifter]

5 minutes ago, allonsyalice said:

This episode was heavy. Pandemic Depression TM has been hitting me harder than I thought these days and it's hard to watch someone else go through depression, even tho I know its not real. And the way Emily broke down and then immediately was like SORRY! IM SORRY! is too real. Too, too real. 

Ditto

[Lovecat]

9 hours ago, twoods said:

I haven’t heard “Tearin’ Up My Heart” in ages. Love that song, and the trio sang it better than N sync. 

I think public restrooms are so gross so Emily singing in one and touching everything made me go ick, even though I loved her song.

I'm a huge NSync fan, but yeah, those were some *gorgeous* harmonies!

I kept thinking that the restroom was way too nice for a club!  Of course that doesn't mean it wasn't nasty with germs, but I'm used to club bathrooms with TP on the floor, half-empty drink cups crammed in the trash can, and and, urm, "sprinkles" on the seat.  I guess I never went to fancy-schmancy clubs back in the day :)

31 minutes ago, allonsyalice said:

JON HAMMSTER!!!!

OMG, I just now got that.  Brilliant!

[dubbel zout]

9 hours ago, Trini said:

Zoey powers are seemingly uncontrollable

The show has waffled a bit on this, as last week Zoey went around pushing people to feel something so they'd sing. It's very convenient everyone sings when she needs to know something. She might not want to hear it right then, of course.

7 hours ago, ElectricBoogaloo said:

And see? If you just TELL someone who you feel instead of making petty comments, look what happens!

Ugh, I know. I feel like 95 percent of every TV show creates drama this way, and it's so much more interesting (to me, at least) to see what happens after someone finally says something, instead of waiting for that to happen.

2 hours ago, FnkyChkn34 said:

The only thing I can say about her is that I like her hair.

Hee. I watch General Hospital and post in that forum a lot, and when a character cut her hair, we almost all instantly liked her a lot more. Sometimes you cling to the smaller things.

1 hour ago, D Angel said:

Well done of getting those two together with Simon for when he shares his recognition that Zoey seems supernaturally empathetic.

I loved Mo and Max's reaction, exchanging guilty looks.

1 hour ago, allonsyalice said:

JON HAMMSTER!!!!

I completely missed this awesomeness until now.

[allonsyalice]

3 minutes ago, dubbel zout said:

I completely missed this awesomeness until now.

I totally would have missed it too, if I didn't use captions!

[wonderwoman]

8 hours ago, ElectricBoogaloo said:

Seeing Maggie go back made me wonder if she liked the anonymity or if they're going to turn this into a drinking/gambling problem (which is definitely what would happen on a typical night soap opera type show).

had the same thought. 

[ams1001]

4 hours ago, shapeshifter said:

So maybe that's why I didn't see the plot with Zoey trying to get Emily to admit she needed professional help as leading to Zoey admitting the same for herself?
Did all y'all see that handwriting on the wall within the context of this episode?

I didn't really think about it during the episode, but when the scene started and it was clear that the guy was a therapist of some sort I knew it would be Zoey, not Emily, on the couch.

[Pj3422]

Shallow comment: I’m drooling over the dress Maggie wore to the casino. 

[tennisgurl]

I hope that they aren't leading to Maggie getting a gambling addiction, we just had one family crisis we don't need another one. I liked this episode a lot, glad that Zoey was finally able to get to Emily and that Emily told David and decided to get professional help. Its an important lesson, that just ignoring mental health and never getting professional help will just hurt you even more. Its also given Emily a lot more time to sing, she has a great voice. Zoey was a bit pushy, which is very in character for Zoey, who still tends to look at everything like a programming problem to be solved with preexisting steps that need to be followed, but she finally gave her what she needed eventually. 

I am glad that Zoey is going to a therapist, I am very curious about how that will go. I cant imagine that they will believe that Zoey has super powers, but will possibly see it as more of a hallucination or coping mechanism that she has to work through. Or will tell her to get an MRI, which would be hilariously ironic. 

Lots of great songs, although Tearing Out My Heart was my favorite. Those were some impressive harmonies. I love that sports night became spa night, they really needed the chill time. 

[Trini]

5 hours ago, shapeshifter said:

I might rewatch this episode later because I fell asleep at the midpoint commercial (it's me, not the show). 
So maybe that's why I didn't see the plot with Zoey trying to get Emily to admit she needed professional help as leading to Zoey admitting the same for herself?
Did all y'all see that handwriting on the wall within the context of this episode?

I think one clue was seeing how Simon felt (the heart song) when she bailed on hm to help Emily; also later in the episode she admits that some problems are too big to tackle by oneself.

[D Angel]

58 minutes ago, tennisgurl said:

I love that sports night became spa night, they really needed the chill time. 

Sports night on what looks like an old-style 19" TV? At least it's color.

[shapeshifter]

2 hours ago, dubbel zout said:

4 hours ago, D Angel said:

Well done of getting those two together with Simon for when he shares his recognition that Zoey seems supernaturally empathetic.

I loved Mo and Max's reaction, exchanging guilty looks.

Argh! I must've slept through that part. :(

 

[Lady Calypso]

5 hours ago, D Angel said:

4) I hope we don't see Maggie taking up gambling. It would be Just another plot-driven vehicle. A new love interest for her would be better.

I agree that we shouldn't see Maggie take up gambling as a way to put some normalcy back in her life, but I think giving her a love interest isn't something they need to go for either. Not that she needs to remain single forever, but it's only been a few months since her husband died and she's made it clearly already that she's still in her grieving process. Having a man come in and sweep her off her feet as a way to show that she's through her grief is probably something they should avoid. At least for me, because they don't need to signal her moving past her grief through a man. 

This episode was alright. I do think that the post partum depression storyline was great and seeing Emily struggling was hard to watch. I get why Zoey felt like she needed to push so hard to help Emily through it, but I thought Simon had a point in that she should let Emily come to her when she was ready. Pushing for someone to talk about something as serious as post partum depression could have backfired on her. But I think that helped Zoey decide to see a therapist, since I think it was made clear that her powers are taking over her life and she needs to find a way to manage it. 

Simon, Max and Mo's "spa night" was fun. I also loved their song together. David's song this episode was also very well done.

Bernadette Peters is just always amazing. I'm not sure I loved her rendition of Cheap Thrills, but I totally get that Deb was singing it while tipsy, which was a brilliantly somewhat subtle acting choice. Because we know Bernadette Peters could belt that song out better than Sia ever could.

God, I also LOVE Rose. I am going to be so sad if she really does leave after this season or if Max breaks her heart. Rose would really fit in well to the show on a permanent basis.

[D Angel]

55 minutes ago, Lady Calypso said:

I get why Zoey felt like she needed to push so hard to help Emily through it, but I thought Simon had a point in that she should let Emily come to her when she was ready. Pushing for someone to talk about something as serious as post partum depression could have backfired on her.

Unless I'm misremembering the opening, it was Simon who was pushing Zoey to be proactive since he was doing exactly that with whoever he was talking to (his brother?) on the phone before they sat down to breakfast. But then he changed his tune to backing off ... perhaps because he no longer had Zoey's undivided attention that he wanted.

I also thiknk that making Simon so needy is a mistake. He is not that far removed from an failed engagement so he's a big boy and, frankly, Zoey isn't a go gaga prize, given her flakiness and aloofness. That more Max then a Simon. I also notice the Team Simon isn't jump and down with enthusiasm like they would be at this point last season. And Max is clearly more in tune romantically with Rose after years apart than he ever was with Zoey. But these seem perfectly suited as each other's backup if they are both single at 40.

BTW -- If they ever need to retool the show, Zoey is already most of the way to The Flying Nun. Just sayin'.

[ams1001]

3 hours ago, D Angel said:

whoever he was talking to (his brother?)

His cousin, I think he said.

[ElectricBoogaloo]

4 hours ago, D Angel said:

whoever he was talking to (his brother?) on the phone

 

1 hour ago, ams1001 said:

His cousin, I think he said.

Yes, cousin Kenan is slacking AND he isn't drinking enough water!

[Trini]

A more optimistic take on Maggie's last scene: maybe they're trying to show that she's getting more comfortable - or at least is making an effort - going out as a single person.

I just don't think an addiction arc is something they'd start at this point with Maggie.

[ams1001]

2 minutes ago, Trini said:

A more optimistic take on Maggie's last scene: maybe they're trying to show that she's getting more comfortable - or at least is making an effort - going out as a single person.

I just don't think an addiction arc is something they'd start at this point with Maggie.

I hope so. Also she told the dealer her real name.

[shipmate]

9 hours ago, Pj3422 said:

Shallow comment: I’m drooling over the dress Maggie wore to the casino. 

I feel that way about the dress Zoey wore to church. I need to see if I can find it online!

[ElectricBoogaloo]

Just now, shipmate said:

I feel that way about the dress Zoey wore to church. I need to see if I can find it online!

I loved that dress and found myself wondering why she's always wearing those sweater and shirt combos to work when she's got cute dresses like this in her closet!

Maybe the cute dresses are on the top shelf of her closet and she couldn't reach them until Simon made her that stool last week.

[ams1001]

Andre dress by Reformation:

https://www.thereformation.com/products/andre-dress

https://wornontv.net/220387/

[topanga]

1 hour ago, ElectricBoogaloo said:

Yes, cousin Kenan is slacking AND he isn't drinking enough water!

I thought Zoey was going to question Simon about his code-switching. When he was coaching/yelling at his cousin, he definitely used a more “black voice.” Loved that scene. 
 

19 hours ago, ElectricBoogaloo said:

Ha, I loved that Mo, Simon, and Max started out having sports night and it turned into spa night. I really enjoy the friendship between them and I'm glad it continued after Zoey came back from Mitch's death. I LOVED Tearin' Up My Heart - it's about time we had a song with harmonies like that!

 

Best song of the night. 

[funnygirl]

I miss Jenna (Emily's sister). I wish we'd see her again and, for me, her absence was heavily felt in this episode. I think she would've been valuable in Emily's postpartum storyline and she was fun with Maggie. 

For as much grief Max gets for having and expressing his feelings, the silence over Simon's neediness for Zoey is deafening. Like really, dude? She didn't blow you off, she told you she was going to hang out with her sister-in-law - who you know is having a rough time - and she made that decision before you got the chance to make plans for that night. As if he doesn't sleep at her place frequently (every time we've seen, thus far) and see her at work all the time. It sure is something how fast that relationship is progressing...

Zoey having hung Max's gift by the door is cute. Maybe it's replaced "Everything is Under CTRL" because, for Zoey, everything is currently not under ctrl…? 

[Guest]

There was a lot I liked in this episode but for some reason it didn’t mesh into something that was better than the sum of it’s parts. I think it’s because there was just too much going on. There are three new relationships as the focal point but we don’t see enough of any of them for me to care. This season has a bad habit of skipping from problem to problem which make it hard for me to feel invested in anything other than Zoey’s emotional journey. 

I really felt for Simon in this episode as he is struggling with his relationship and those he trusts are hiding the truth from him. Maybe he will be fine with it once he gets confirmation of the truth but he would be completely justified to feel betrayed by Zoey, Max and Mo. 

I am thrilled that Zoey is finally seeing a therapist but I didn’t love her conclusion that her superpower is ruining her life. Most of her problems stem from her inability to deal with her own and other’s emotions. Her powers just highlight her weaknesses. I hope we see a real change because watching her run from her emotions and being unable to have an adult conversation unless forced to has gotten very old. 

16 hours ago, FnkyChkn34 said:

Simon just seems too... mature?  Sophisticated? Worldly? for Zoey.  I'm not sure what exactly it is, but they don't mesh for me. 

I completely agree with you. I love Simon but they just seem too different to me. He does feel a lot more mature than her. 

2 hours ago, funnygirl said:

For as much grief Max gets for having and expressing his feelings, the silence over Simon's neediness for Zoey is deafening. Like really, dude? She didn't blow you off, she told you she was going to hang out with her sister-in-law - who you know is having a rough time - and she made that decision before you got the chance to make plans for that night. As if he doesn't sleep at her place frequently (every time we've seen, thus far) and see her at work all the time. It sure is something how fast that relationship is progressing...

Good point. I am seeing a lot of similarities to her relationship with Max in her relationship with Simon. 

Edited April 20, 2021 by Guest

[DrBriCa]

17 hours ago, shapeshifter said:

I might rewatch this episode later because I fell asleep at the midpoint commercial (it's me, not the show). 
So maybe that's why I didn't see the plot with Zoey trying to get Emily to admit she needed professional help as leading to Zoey admitting the same for herself?
Did all y'all see that handwriting on the wall within the context of this episode?

For me, it was when Emily was on the bed talking about how everything was so tough to handle at times and then Zoey lay down mirroring her. That's when I figured that she might finally be clueing in on her own mental health needs.

Agreed with others that the therapist doesn't have to necessarily believe in Zoey's superpowers outright. He just needs to hear her out and find ways to use them to understanding her and her views of the world. He'll probably see it as more of a metaphor or a coping mechanism and roll with that first to gain trust in the therapist-client relationship.

Also agree that I hope Maggie isn't starting a gambling problem but instead is just learning to be herself while alone. (It would seem late in the season to bring on an addiction issue unless they're absolutely guaranteed another season to explore it longitudinally.)

I like Rose.

Zoey and Simon haven't fully clicked for me yet. I think part of the problem is that we've missed a lot of their time growing together offscreen, and since they've been together, Zoey's been much more focused on solving other issues (her glitch, Emily's depression) that we haven't had much time to see them in a very couple-y light. I know we generally don't get many songs or duets from Zoey, but the lack of any (compared with recent ones from Max/Rose & David/Emily) does make the relationship feel less real.

 

[bros402]

I really hope Maggie doesn't develop an addiction of some kind and this is just her going out as a single person.

I also like that Zoey went to see a therapist. Anyone want to place bets on whether or not they'll do a cliffhanger, and if so, is that cliffhanger going to be Zoey telling Simon about her power?

[possibilities]

2nd episode in a row that I've really liked, after a very lackluster start to the season. Too  bad it's almost over just as they get into a groove.

I think I prefer the episodes where they son't bog down in the romances, and focus on problem-solving various other issues. I just feel like relationship drama can be a total sinkhole. Keep things moving, please!

I agree that Simon comes off needy this week. It's probably because she doesn't explain anything or inform  him in advance, she just keeps running off without a lot of warning. And that all goes back to her having a secret that runs her life. I also agree that he seems more mature than her, which is especially notable since she's his boss, and als because I dind't feel that with her and Max and I don't feel it really in any of her other interactions with people-- even Joan, who was older than her. Zoey seemed pretty solid in that friendship. I think Simon comes off as more mature simply because he doesn't have a lot of drama going on. He's kind of settled into himself and his life is not full of chaos. Even when he was in the midst of controvery at work, he handled it calmly and deliberately. He's very measured and cautious and not impulsive. His grief was intense but it was also quiet. He's really the on;y person on the show who has those qualities. 

[Trini]

Well, I appreciate that Zoey has a levelheaded, caring, attentive, supportive boyfriend; it seems like that is exactly what she needs right now. Simon is a good complement to her. Thought their breakfast scenes were sweet.

Speaking of breakfast I did notice the code-switching and thought it was great, because Simon doesn't get to do it that often.
 

10 hours ago, DrBriCa said:

Zoey and Simon haven't fully clicked for me yet. I think part of the problem is that we've missed a lot of their time growing together offscreen, and since they've been together, Zoey's been much more focused on solving other issues (her glitch, Emily's depression) that we haven't had much time to see them in a very couple-y light. I know we generally don't get many songs or duets from Zoey, but the lack of any (compared with recent ones from Max/Rose & David/Emily) does make the relationship feel less real.

I agree we need to see them together more. The next episode might have more of that.

 

10 hours ago, bros402 said:

... Anyone want to place bets on whether or not they'll do a cliffhanger, and if so, is that cliffhanger going to be Zoey telling Simon about her power?

Oh man, I hope this isn't going to end on a cliffhanger. If anything, I think Simon's reaction to the secret might be the cliffhanger.

[D Angel]

13 hours ago, bros402 said:

Anyone want to place bets on whether or not they'll do a cliffhanger, and if so, is that cliffhanger going to be Zoey telling Simon about her power?

I hate to say this, but we'll only get some kind of cliffhanger if the show is renewed for another season, which has to be severely in doubt.

S1 got a lot of post-airing buzz and built an audience in streaming and deservedly so. I promoted a number of friends and family to watch it as "more than the sum of its parts" and not to dismiss it as another show like Glee. If S2 had been as compelling as S1, I suspect it would be renewed without question. But ratings are off and show quality hasn't been as good as far as drama is concerned (musical numbers might actually be better this season), which means fewer people are watching on streaming services.

If it is a "cliffhanger", it's going to have to be something deeper than simply Zoey finally telling her boyfriend the truth. After all, she hasn't told anyone in her family yet, and she's clearly closer to them than to Simon.  A more likely cliffhanger to get people intrigued for the entirety of S3 (if it happens) would be Zoey meeting someone else with a superpower and a fuller understanding of what Zoey's dealing with. I'd expect either a potential mentor or pier.

My "place bets" question is: Does anyone think they will take the plot more in the direction of M. Night Shyamalan's Unbreakable, which carries a similar theme and premise of a seemingly regular person realizing they have a superpower? IMO it's his best film and, in a rare case for me, did not see the twist at the end coming.

[ams1001]

21 minutes ago, D Angel said:

If it is a "cliffhanger", it's going to have to be something deeper than simply Zoey finally telling her boyfriend the truth. After all, she hasn't told anyone in her family yet, and she's clearly closer to them than to Simon.  A more likely cliffhanger to get people intrigued for the entirety of S3 (if it happens) would be Zoey meeting someone else with a superpower and a fuller understanding of what Zoey's dealing with. I'd expect either a potential mentor or pier.

Wasn't there a bit with the MRI tech that implied he might know (like a brief encounter at the hospital later on)? I'd like to see them go back to that. What does the MRI guy know?!

[TiffanyNichelle]

I would love to find out if there are others who have the same powers as Zoey. Maybe they could hear each other's songs? That way we get another episode where Zoey has to sing like in the first season but without it happening where the whole world can hear it.

[Trini]

Another idea: What if the power transfers to someone else?

[CarpeFelis]

This episode put me in a bad mood. I get that Zoey wanted to help Emily, but I just kept wanting to yell “Fuck off and mind your own business, Zoey!” because she was just being so damn pushy about it. In Emily’s shoes I’d have felt like she was prying, especially at the dinner. And seriously, by the end it seemed like Emily herself had decided she needed some professional help; it wasn’t Zoey’s interventions that led her to that conclusion. This is what’s bugged me about Zoey all along. Just because her superpower gives her insight into how the people around her are feeling, doesn’t give her the right to go meddling in their lives, not to mention usually being pushy about it.

Is it just me, or is there something weird about Maggie’s bangs? About half of the scenes she’s in they seem to come to a point in the middle which makes her look like a Romulan.

Rose is just meh to me.