Predator and Prey: Assault, harassment, and other aggressions in the entertainment industry

[catlover79]

My first reaction was "not Det. Mike Logan!" (Yes, the only shows I've watched him on are L&O and CI.) Still, I am not surprised at the allegations. I suspect there's a lot of hothead/women issues with him, not unlike Logan.

Poor Beverly Johnson. A restraining order against Noth AND being *allegedly* sexually assaulted by Cosby??? 😥😡

[Irlandesa]

6 hours ago, merylinkid said:

GOD I LOVED LOGAN.   There goes watching L & O, the good years.   

You know what's sad?  I've gotten pretty good at separating the actor from the role.  It's only in cases where an actor (or artist) is so ubiquitous in their work that I have a hard time separating.

So I think I'll be able to watch the original L&O shows but not the CI episodes where he's lead.

[GaT]

I bet they're all doing the happy dance over at And Just Like That... (spoiler tag because this isn't the thread for that show)

Spoiler

that they killed Mr. Big off in the first episode & don't have to worry about Chris Noth anymore.

 

[GHScorpiosRule]

8 hours ago, merylinkid said:

GOD I LOVED LOGAN.   There goes watching L & O, the good years.   

So did I. Logan, along with Stone and Schiff, were my favorite characters.

That said, I think I can still watch the early seasons because I can separate the actor from the role because it was the character I love, and I got to love Noth after as I’d never heard of him before Law & Order.  And unlike most here, I am shocked and surprised to learn this about him. I’m very disappointed to learn this about him. 

[Vermicious Knid]

Not sure if anyone posted a direct link, third woman to accuse Chris Noth. The details are pretty sickening. And she told her family and friends right after it happened so there is corroboration.

[GaT]

Chris Noth Dropped by Agency Amid New Allegations from 3rd Woman

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The "Sex and the City" actor's reps at A3 Artists Agency gave him the ol' heave-ho Friday ... the day after he vehemently denied 2 separate allegations -- one from a woman in 2004, and the other from a woman in 2015.

 

[Lady Whistleup]

2 hours ago, Vermicious Knid said:

Not sure if anyone posted a direct link, third woman to accuse Chris Noth. The details are pretty sickening. And she told her family and friends right after it happened so there is corroboration.

This is gross. He definitely has an MO, which makes the claims more believable.

[aradia22]

Has a celebrity's career ever been derailed by an accusation of domestic violence if they weren't already flaming out? 

No - Sean Penn, Michael Fassbender, Josh Brolin, Terrence Howard, Eric Roberts, Mike Tyson, Charlie Sheen

Maybe - Johnny Depp, Chris Brown, Blake Jenner

[Kel Varnsen]

21 minutes ago, aradia22 said:

Has a celebrity's career ever been derailed by an accusation of domestic violence if they weren't already flaming out? 

No - Sean Penn, Michael Fassbender, Josh Brolin, Terrence Howard, Eric Roberts, Mike Tyson, Charlie Sheen

Maybe - Johnny Depp, Chris Brown, Blake Jenner

OJ? I had to look it up but the murders occurred the same year as the 3rd Naked Gun movie came out. And it's not like he was in any other movies after that.

Edited December 20, 2021 by Kel Varnsen

[Rootbeer]

On 12/18/2021 at 1:25 AM, aradia22 said:

Agreed. If this is coming from PR, someone needs to tell them it's a TERRIBLE strategy.

Reading the article from THR...

I'm sorry, what? Like I get not keeping records from routine checkups for more than 10 years but a sexual assault??? At least there was this...

At the time the assault occurred, the statute of limitations for sexual assault in California was 10 years.  The law was changed in 2016 and now there are no limits on prosecuting sexual assault in Ca.  So, presuming she reported it as an assault at the time of the ER visit, the records would not have been maintained for possible legal action beyond 2015.

However, the hospital probably has some sort of record of the visit to the ER, if only basic information about the patient and insurance info.  But at the time this happened, paper charts were the norm and a chart that old is probably stored off-site someplace and would be hard to locate.  It's also possible that the hospital tried, and just couldn't find it. Large medical centers literally have warehouses filled with medical records.

Also, in my experience as a gynecologist, a woman who seek care in the ER after an assault do not always admit to having been attacked.  I've seen women with genital injuries that needed sutured and they insisted the injury occurred durng a consensual encounter.  In one case, I was informed that she was 'cut' while removing a tampon.  Part of her labia had been cut  with something sharp like a knife.

Edited December 20, 2021 by Rootbeer

[akg]

More consequences for Noth: Chris Noth's tequila company loses $12 million acquisition deal after sexual assault allegations

[WendyCR72]

The Equalizer officially drops Chris Noth.

[Ailianna]

The BBC has an interesting program with interviews of survivors and others involved in the Ron Jeremy, the porn star accused of many assaults.

It also has the naysayers who say things like, if you don't say no, its just assumed it's ok. And victims talking about gas lighting themselves. One survivor said she was choked unconscious during a film shoot, and when she tried to complain, was told that since she didn't saw anything WHILE BEING CHOKED, they figured she was ok with it.

[Trini]

"We Need to Talk About Cosby" from Emmy Winner W. Kamau Bell;

More info at the link, but the basics:

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SHOWTIME Documentary Films today announced WE NEED TO TALK ABOUT COSBY, a four-part docuseries from Emmy-winning director W. Kamau Bell (United Shades of America with W. Kamau Bell) that offers an in-depth look at the revolutionary career and personal descent of Bill Cosby. WE NEED TO TALK ABOUT COSBY will screen at the Sundance Film Festival on January 22, ahead of its SHOWTIME premiere on Sunday, January 30 at 10 p.m. ET/PT.

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The four-parter sheds new light on Cosby's cultural contributions and impact at the height of his disgrace - accused of rape, drug-facilitated sexual assault, sexual battery and other misconduct by more than 60 women as far back as nearly 60 years. Bell, who grew up idolizing Cosby, unpacks how Cosby's desire for power, which propelled his professional success, could be the same driving force that motivated his alleged crimes against women. WE NEED TO TALK ABOUT COSBY peels back complex layers, portraying the genius performer, philanthropist and role model, contrasted by the accused sexual predator that now defines him. It offers viewers the chance to reconsider Cosby's mark in a society where rape culture, toxic masculinity, capitalism and white supremacy are shaping how we re-evaluate sex, power and agency.

 

[SunnyBeBe]

The ladies speak out on Noth.

https://people.com/tv/sarah-jessica-parker-cynthia-nixon-kristin-davis-speak-out-chris-noth-sexual-assault-allegations/

I wonder why Noth took the chance of appearing in ATJLT as well as The Equalizer.  He could have stayed out of the limelight and maybe he might have gone unnamed.  Not that that would have been a good thing.  

[andromeda331]

2 hours ago, Ailianna said:

The BBC has an interesting program with interviews of survivors and others involved in the Ron Jeremy, the porn star accused of many assaults.

It also has the naysayers who say things like, if you don't say no, its just assumed it's ok. And victims talking about gas lighting themselves. One survivor said she was choked unconscious during a film shoot, and when she tried to complain, was told that since she didn't saw anything WHILE BEING CHOKED, they figured she was ok with it.

What the hell? How are you okay when you are being choked? What is wrong with people?

[Irlandesa]

5 minutes ago, SunnyBeBe said:

I wonder why Noth took the chance of appearing in ATJLT as well as The Equalizer.  He could have stayed out of the limelight and maybe he might have gone unnamed.

Noth has been a working actor pretty much non-stop since 1990. From L&O to Sex & The City to L&O: CI and then the Sex & The City Movies and The Good wife and now The Equalizer. 

And it hasn't come up in all that time.  In fact, that was the one thing that I found strange about the whole thing--that it was promo for ATJLT that triggered the memories because I've personally seen North in a lot over the years. But I guess S&TC is just that much more of a cultural phenomenon for many women that promo for that put him in their consciousness again in a way his other work did not.

 

[SunnyBeBe]

I would think Noth would be more concerned about his exposure since #metoo.  

[Irlandesa]

Just now, SunnyBeBe said:

I would think Noth would be more concerned about his exposure since #metoo.  

But he survived the first wave of #metoo. 

There's also the issue that he may not see what he did as rape.  Some guys have a very warped sense of consent. For instance, the first woman said no repeatedly and tried to get him to stop but then when she realized he wasn't going to, she tried to get him to use a condom and he laughed at her.  Asking him to use a condom was likely her attempt to mitigate what was happening and not end up pregnant or with an STD but in his mind he hears "well she talked about protection so of course she was a willing participant."

[Zella]

I got the impression it was largely Noth reemerging as Mr. Big that really triggered the conversation because all the victims, if I'm not mistaken, identified themselves as Sex in the City fans who were excited to meet Mr. Big in their initial encounters.

But the preliminary reporting on at least the Hollywood Reporter article dated back to this summer because the first victim reached out to them in August. So, they spent 4 months working this story. 

I must confess, I didn't realize how big of a phenomena Sex in the City was back in the day. I know him primarily as Peter Florrick, and he was never going to be dreamy to me in that role. I was a little on the younger side for SATC (was a child when it first aired), and I don't remember any of my friends being into it. I never watched it either. But if we'd been a little older, I'm sure it would have been a bigger deal to us. 

Edited December 21, 2021 by Zella

[BetterButter]

My Traumatizing Years With Bryan Singer

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In this first-person account, Blake Stuerman, 30, details his experiences over his four years with the filmmaker Bryan Singer, who came to prominence as a director with 1995’s “The Usual Suspects,” and directed several blockbusters, including “X-Men,” “Superman Returns,” and, most recently, 2018’s “Bohemian Rhapsody.”

 

[GaT]

4 hours ago, Zella said:

I must confess, I didn't realize how big of a phenomena Sex in the City was back in the day. I know him primarily as Peter Florrick, 

That's interesting, I used to watch SATC without fail, & I have no idea who Peter Florrick is.

[Zella]

6 minutes ago, GaT said:

That's interesting, I used to watch SATC without fail, & I have no idea who Peter Florrick is.

That was his character in The Good Wife. He was the protagonist's adulterous husband. Like, literally, he existed on the show to cheat on his wife. 

Edited December 21, 2021 by Zella

[merylinkid]

Jury has the Ghislanine Maxwell case.   NO idea when we will have a verdict.   

https://www.reuters.com/world/us/jury-resume-deliberations-ghislaine-maxwells-sex-abuse-trial-2021-12-21/?taid=61c1d10992a8110001a4c4fd&utm_campaign=trueAnthem:+Trending+Content&utm_medium=trueAnthem&utm_source=twitter

[marceline]

11 hours ago, Irlandesa said:

Noth has been a working actor pretty much non-stop since 1990. From L&O to Sex & The City to L&O: CI and then the Sex & The City Movies and The Good wife and now The Equalizer. 

And it hasn't come up in all that time.  In fact, that was the one thing that I found strange about the whole thing--that it was promo for ATJLT that triggered the memories because I've personally seen North in a lot over the years. But I guess S&TC is just that much more of a cultural phenomenon for many women that promo for that put him in their consciousness again in a way his other work did not.

Yep. Reading each of the accounts, a common thread seems to be that they were initially flattered because "Mr. Big" was paying attention to them. I think seeing him back in that particular role is what was triggering.

[shapeshifter]

21 hours ago, Irlandesa said:

There's also the issue that he may not see what he did as rape.  Some guys have a very warped sense of consent. For instance, the first woman said no repeatedly and tried to get him to stop but then when she realized he wasn't going to, she tried to get him to use a condom and he laughed at her.  Asking him to use a condom was likely her attempt to mitigate what was happening and not end up pregnant or with an STD but in his mind he hears "well she talked about protection so of course she was a willing participant."

I assumed she planned to make a run for it when he went to get the condom, because many decades ago I successfully escaped a knife-wielding, wannabe rapist by asking him to show me something in his wallet.
Trying to put an aggressor off guard by appearing friendly only works when it provides a window of escape. Otherwise it becomes a pretext for consent--including when a victim escapes and wants to press charges. 

[Ms Blue Jay]

Men know when a woman is not consenting.  They KNOW.  Noth is like 100, he ain't 16.  He fucking knows. Anything else he's claiming is so obviously bullshit.

[Ms Blue Jay]

I know Zoe Lister Jones as an actor very well!  I haven't seen this posted yet, sorry if it has:

Warning, there is a spoiler there for the Sex and the City Reboot series "And Just Like That".

https://www.news24.com/channel/gossip/news/zoe-lister-jones-accuses-sex-and-the-city-chris-noth-of-sexual-misconduct-20211219

Edited December 22, 2021 by Ms Blue Jay

[Guest]

19 hours ago, Ms Blue Jay said:

Men know when a woman is not consenting.  They KNOW.  Noth is like 100, he ain't 16.  He fucking knows. Anything else he's claiming is so obviously bullshit.

I agree that what he is saying is bullshit but I don’t agree that people always know when another person is consenting. I am a big believer that affirmative consent needs to be the standard because it’s not always clear. 

ETA: Just to be clear I am not excusing or justifying anyone’s actions. Exactly the opposite. I am saying that people need to held to a higher standard. Because it doesn’t matter if he or anyone believed there was consent. It only matters if the other person is consenting and ultimately only one person really knows that answer for certain. So the onus needs to be an each individual to be 100% certain there is consent. If there isn’t an open ability to communicate and stop at any moment there is a problem. 

Edited December 22, 2021 by Guest

[Ms Blue Jay]

Never mind.

Edited December 22, 2021 by Ms Blue Jay

[Spartan Girl]

Leaving this here:

James Franco breaks silence four years after sexual misconduct allegations

[Mabinogia]

18 hours ago, Dani said:

So the onus needs to be an each individual to be 100% certain there is consent. If there isn’t an open ability to communicate and stop at any moment there is a problem. 

And if two people can't discuss consent, they certainly shouldn't be having sex. 

I think there is a very dangerous idea that consent isn't "sexy", that it makes it feel like a business deal or something. Consent is VERY sexy. Hearing someone say to you "yes, I want this" is hot as hell. 

Sadly, even today, a lot of books, movies, shows seem to still tout the "good girls" don't want sex and "bad boys" (not bad as in horrible human beings (which they are if they are raping girls because they think it's their right) but as in sexy troublemakers (which is a terrible message in itself)) "take what they want". (see every "bodice ripper" romance novel I read during my misspent youth. Seriously. I cringe at the shit I read when I was a teen). 

These creators need to start writing stories where consent is the norm, where when a guy here's no he accepts it as no and doesn't think of it as "convince me".

Because of those terrible "romance" novels I grew up on, when I was young I thought it was hot when a guy couldn't control himself because he wanted to be with me so bad. Now I think it is the hottest thing imaginable when a man can control himself if I am not in the mood for whatever reason (usually because I have health issues that make me incredibly tired at times and if I can't go all in I'd rather wait). 

 

[angora]

3 minutes ago, Mabinogia said:

And if two people can't discuss consent, they certainly shouldn't be having sex. 

I think there is a very dangerous idea that consent isn't "sexy", that it makes it feel like a business deal or something. Consent is VERY sexy. Hearing someone say to you "yes, I want this" is hot as hell. 

Sadly, even today, a lot of books, movies, shows seem to still tout the "good girls" don't want sex and "bad boys" (not bad as in horrible human beings (which they are if they are raping girls because they think it's their right) but as in sexy troublemakers (which is a terrible message in itself)) "take what they want". (see every "bodice ripper" romance novel I read during my misspent youth. Seriously. I cringe at the shit I read when I was a teen). 

These creators need to start writing stories where consent is the norm, where when a guy here's no he accepts it as no and doesn't think of it as "convince me".

Because of those terrible "romance" novels I grew up on, when I was young I thought it was hot when a guy couldn't control himself because he wanted to be with me so bad. Now I think it is the hottest thing imaginable when a man can control himself if I am not in the mood for whatever reason (usually because I have health issues that make me incredibly tired at times and if I can't go all in I'd rather wait). 

 

Yes to all of this, especially the bolded. I think the more that shows/movies/books can do to depict affirmative consent, the better off we'll be for it. Seeing our favorite characters ask for/give consent is a key way that that behavior can be modeled, both for young people who are still learning and for adults who absorbed the wrong lessons growing up. And if these stories can show various ways to ask for/give consent that's sexy, fun, creative, etc., even better.

The same is true for depicting partners accept a no as a no, as well as showing that sex WITHOUT consent is neither sexy nor romantic. People shouldn't NEED to see these things in stories in order to understand/do them, but after decades/centuries of stories that prop up toxic ideas like "no means yes," "I just can't help myself," and "I stalk you because I love you so much," flipping the script on these things could be a powerful tool for change.

[Mabinogia]

1 hour ago, angora said:

flipping the script on these things could be a powerful tool for change.

Exactly. In this time of social media, when things go viral so quickly and become part of the collective conscience (OMG I spelled it correctly on the first try! I never get that word right. Yay me!) a song by a favorite band or a tweet by a sex symbol actor could go a long way to changing how we view consent. 

No more making controlling, power=hungry assholes like Christian Grey sexy (because they look good and have lots of money) . That is exactly how we end up with a Chris Noth, who probably thinks of himself as a real life Christian Grey type, that good looking, famous/rich alpha male that all women are supposed to swoon over. BLECH. Ugh, he just makes my skin crawl now. 

[shapeshifter]

5 hours ago, Mabinogia said:

In this time of social media, when things go viral so quickly and become part of the collective conscience (OMG I spelled it correctly on the first try! I never get that word right. Yay me!)

except I think you meant "collective consciousness," right?
Sadly, I think there still a dearth of conscience within the collective consciousness. 
At least, I'm not seeing a sense of a guilty conscience in James Franco's interview:

8 hours ago, Spartan Girl said:

James Franco breaks silence four years after sexual misconduct allegations

nor have I seen any admission of a sense of a guilty conscience in any of Noth's words that I've read. 

I suppose people like Franco and Noth might have guilty consciences and just not want to admit it publicly because of possible financial repercussions--both legal and professional.
Or they may still feel unrepentant and guilt free. 🤷‍♀️

I suppose even 'abstaining from the appearance of evil' would be an improvement if it meant in the future
would-be sexual predators will ask for consent.
I doubt I will live long enough to see a real sea change of attitudes (or collective consciousness), but in my life I have known men who somehow grew up to respect women and not be sexual predators. 

Edited December 23, 2021 by shapeshifter

[Vermicious Knid]

Cynical me says Franco still doesn't truly get it but is saying he does to have his career back.

[Spartan Girl]

8 hours ago, Vermicious Knid said:

Cynical me says Franco still doesn't truly get it but is saying he does to have his career back.

Yeah blaming sex addiction isn’t exactly taking responsibility.

[akg]

I am very disappointed in Michigan: Former Michigan State officials were cleared in Nassar sexual abuse investigation

 

[akg]

17 hours ago, angora said:

Yes to all of this, especially the bolded. I think the more that shows/movies/books can do to depict affirmative consent, the better off we'll be for it. Seeing our favorite characters ask for/give consent is a key way that that behavior can be modeled, both for young people who are still learning and for adults who absorbed the wrong lessons growing up. And if these stories can show various ways to ask for/give consent that's sexy, fun, creative, etc., even better.

The same is true for depicting partners accept a no as a no

Yay! An excuse to tell people to watch my favorite show ever: Legends of Tomorrow! The writers there have done a fantastic job with the various relationships between characters and they're always very clear about the line between wanted and unwanted (after season 1. The Hawk's "romance" is not great). This (the scene at 24 seconds) is an excellent example of how sexy consent can be. It's a magic induced dream (the guy with the magic is the clear bad guy and they shut him down) so, not only are they showing that consent can work well, it's also shown as something the woman includes in her fantasies (although I'm sure it's her reality as well. Her boyfriend is exactly that kind of guy).

And here's the same couple with him dealing maturely with her being too tired to enjoy his work "setting the mood" (not really a clear starting point but you can definitely skip the first 20 seconds).

[Mabinogia]

16 hours ago, shapeshifter said:

except I think you meant "collective consciousness," right?
Sadly, I think there still a dearth of conscience within the collective consciousness. 

Argh! Foiled again! 

 

12 minutes ago, akg said:

Yay! An excuse to tell people to watch my favorite show ever: Legends of Tomorrow!

Thanks. I'll give that one a try. I'd had it on the "maybe someday" list but will bump it up to the "watch next" list. Yay, something new to watch!!!!

4 hours ago, Spartan Girl said:

Yeah blaming sex addiction isn’t exactly taking responsibility.

It is sort of like an alcoholic saying "but I'm an addict" when they get caught driving drunk.

It might be more challenging, if you are a sex addict, to not fuck everyone you meet, but it is not an excuse for screwing anyone you want whenever you want regardless of who they are or what their interest level is. 

[Ms Blue Jay]

13 hours ago, Vermicious Knid said:

Cynical me says Franco still doesn't truly get it but is saying he does to have his career back.

I agree.  He doesn't sound that apologetic or like he's changed much.

Edited December 23, 2021 by Ms Blue Jay

[shapeshifter]

13 hours ago, Vermicious Knid said:

Cynical me says Franco still doesn't truly get it but is saying he does to have his career back.

10 minutes ago, Ms Blue Jay said:

I agree.  He doesn't sound that apologetic or like he's changed much.

I guess he might at least be modifying his behavior, which can sometimes effect one's attitudes as a sort of feedback loop.
Like, for instance, it's said that if a person smiles, it can make them feel better.
So, maybe practicing asking for consent in the future could make Franco et al. begin to think about consent in a truly sincere manner. 🤷‍♀️
Time (and social media) will tell.

 

[Zella]

I've admittedly never liked James Franco, but as soon as I saw he'd reemerged to have thoughts, I just assumed he saw the Chris Noth dumpster fire going on and figured now was as good a time as any to slither in and give his mediocre double-speak non-apology while people were distracted with newer celebrity predator news. 

[akg]

2 minutes ago, Mabinogia said:

Thanks. I'll give that one a try. I'd had it on the "maybe someday" list but will bump it up to the "watch next" list. Yay, something new to watch!!!!

Either skip season 1 and catch up later after you've fallen in love or keep telling yourself it gets much, much better. The villain is boring and, as I mentioned above, the relationship between 2 of the characters is problematic. Fortunately, they get their "happy ever after" ending and leave after the finale. But, in addition to the consent scene, they also cover what it means to fall in love with a clone; what to do if time travel completely changes the woman you've been dating and she falls in love with someone else; if your girlfriend is killed and brought back as a clone, is she still the same person you love; and many other relationship quandaries. Plus, it has one of the most diverse casts on tv (race, sex, sexuality, religion, ethnicity...).  [/end off-topic gushing]

Is there a topic somewhere here that goes into consent in tv and movies? I got curious about where else it's come up and tracked down some articles. Since this conversation is about real people, they don't seem to fit here.

[JustHereForFood]

I second LoT recommendation. 

Sadly, I can't think of many examples of talking about consent just in a conversation or before a hookup. Fanfiction can be great in this, though.

[Spartan Girl]

3 hours ago, akg said:

I am very disappointed in Michigan: Former Michigan State officials were cleared in Nassar sexual abuse investigation

 

 

And I LIVE there.

[akg]

4 minutes ago, Spartan Girl said:

And I LIVE there.

Oh, me too. I've been super proud [/sarcasm] of that the more we learn about what happened at MSU, UM, and Eastern. I know this sort of thing is everywhere (sadly) but we seem to be the state in the news the most.

[Ms Blue Jay]

30 minutes ago, JustHereForFood said:

I second LoT recommendation. 

Sadly, I can't think of many examples of talking about consent just in a conversation or before a hookup. Fanfiction can be great in this, though.

I see this today, in very modern projects, projects actually being released in 2020/2021.

Curb your Enthusiasm had a scene very explicitly discussing consent between Larry David and Teri Polo.  Larry even filmed the entire thing on his phone with her permission.

I think the show Love Life, Season 2 starring William Jackson Harper deals with this.  Projects being released now are trying to deal with this, I think.

 

Edited December 23, 2021 by Ms Blue Jay

[aradia22]

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I think there is a very dangerous idea that consent isn't "sexy", that it makes it feel like a business deal or something. Consent is VERY sexy. Hearing someone say to you "yes, I want this" is hot as hell. 

[...] (see every "bodice ripper" romance novel I read during my misspent youth. Seriously. I cringe at the shit I read when I was a teen). 

These creators need to start writing stories where consent is the norm, where when a guy here's no he accepts it as no and doesn't think of it as "convince me".

Because of those terrible "romance" novels I grew up on, when I was young I thought it was hot when a guy couldn't control himself because he wanted to be with me so bad. 

There has actually been a lot of progress with romance novels but they're not that mainstream. (I'm not talking indie self-publishing. I just mean fewer people read the average romance novel than watch a blockbuster movie.) I didn't read Bridgerton past the first book but that one is obviously rape-y. Courtney Milan, Lisa Kleypas, etc. are much better than Julia Quinn in that generation of historical romance novelists. But like 50 Shades, it's never the good fiction that gets picked up for adaptation. 

[Ms Blue Jay]

I actually like 50 Shades.  I see no way that Chris Noth can be blamed on 50 Shades considering Chris Noth is 70 and 50 Shades was released in 2011. 

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No more making controlling, power=hungry assholes like Christian Grey sexy (because they look good and have lots of money) . That is exactly how we end up with a Chris Noth, who probably thinks of himself as a real life Christian Grey type, that good looking, famous/rich alpha male that all women are supposed to swoon over. BLECH. Ugh, he just makes my skin crawl now. 

 

Edited December 23, 2021 by Ms Blue Jay