S02.E12: The Parent Trap

[RealReality]

2 hours ago, Colte Gal said:

Jihoon is responsible for ____________________________ (fill in the blank)

Oh I like this mad libs! 

Devan's tattoos!  

 

[RealReality]

5 hours ago, Pondlass1 said:

Ariele seems suddenly lost without her mother.

I think it's all starting to hit her.  Exotic vacations are not the same as living in another country while pregnant and with no comfy American home to come to after roughing it for a couple of weeks overseas.  Especially pregnant. 

22 minutes ago, Mrs. Hanson said:

Stephanie had an illness?

 

16 minutes ago, magemaud said:

Rumor has it

Hogwash! If Stephanie had an illness surely she would have mentionee it on the show!

[TwirlyGirly]

15 hours ago, Alonzo Mosely FBI said:

I would love to know if her Catholic mother baptized Ari in infancy. 

Either way Ari is christian: see: 

Maternal descent in Judaism:

The Code of Jewish Law clearly states that a child of a Jewish mother is Jewish, regardless of the father’s lineage (or whatever else may show up in a DNA test), while the child of a non-Jewish mother is not Jewish.1 Matrilineal descent has been a fundamental principle of Torah since the Jewish people came into existence.

I believe it's different depending upon whether the father is Orthodox, Conservative, or Reform.

According to My Jewish Learning:

"In the case of intermarriage, the child of a Jewish woman and her gentile male spouse is universally recognized as Jewish, so that the conversion of the infant or child is unnecessary. A more delicate and difficult situation arises when the infant or child is born to a Jewish father and gentile mother. The Orthodox and Conservative movements do not recognize such a child as legally Jewish, so that, in such cases, Orthodox and Conservative parents need to have their child legally converted to Judaism.

Under the Reform movement’s patrilineality principle, the child of a Jewish father and gentile mother is presumed Jewish if the child is raised exclusively in Judaism and engages exclusively in public Jewish acts. The children, then, are legally Jewish."

So, if Ari's father is Reformed, and Ari was raised in Judaism and "engages exclusively in public Jewish acts" (I honestly don't know what that means; if someone does, please educate me) then Ari is Jewish and does not need to convert.

[AZChristian]

2 hours ago, Colte Gal said:

Jihoon is responsible for ____________________________ (fill in the blank)

Karine's mood swings.

[Mrs. Hanson]

2 hours ago, Colte Gal said:

Jihoon is responsible for ____________________________ (fill in the blank)

Sumit being married

Jenny's crying

Tania's accident

Syngin's unemployment

Ash's miserable presentation

Family Libby's horrible manners

Lana standing up David three times

Larissa getting arrested three times

Making one the CUTEST babies to pop up in this franchise

[1011101010001]

On 8/17/2020 at 8:47 PM, readheaded said:

That child is feral, much like her loser grandmother.

What grandmother dresses like that and calls people dude?

[Mrs. Hanson]

8 minutes ago, MrBuhBye said:

What grandmother dresses like that and calls people dude?

She can dress any way she wants.  She may be a horrible person, but this (and I will apologize if I am wrong) sounds a little woman/gramma shaming to me.  She is probably only 45 years old, if that.  I wear cut off jean shorts and I am 55.  Not a gramma, though.  I call male students "dude" "bro" all the time!!  

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7 hours ago, SG11 said:

However, from what we know, a reasonable person would go by the facts presented and his acceptance and remorse for those facts...that he was running for the child, Deaven yelled at him, and this stopped him in his tracks to respond to that instead of continuing after the child.

Why was Deavan focusing on yelling at Jihoon when her child was in danger?  There was plenty of time for her to chastise him later.  She seems to make a full-time pursuit of it.  Priorities I guess.

45 minutes ago, Mrs. Hanson said:

She can dress any way she wants.  She may be a horrible person, but this (and I will apologize if I am wrong) sounds a little woman/gramma shaming to me.  She is probably only 45 years old, if that.  I wear cut off jean shorts and I am 55.  Not a gramma, though.  I call male students "dude" "bro" all the time!!  

I don’t think it’s shaming to expect people to wear age appropriate clothing.  She doesn’t have to dress like Granny Clampett, but she is well past being an ingenue.  People rip on Darcey constantly and she is younger than Elicia. Also accusing someone of fat shaming or age shaming is criticizing another poster.  We are supposed to be criticizing the cast.

Edited August 19, 2020 by MrBuhBye

[Frozendiva]

I wonder if Deaven and Jihoon have ever had a talk about caring for Drascilla and even spoke with the girl that Jihoon will be like a dad to her and she is to listen to him and if he says STOP, she stops. Other than that, he barely knows her, he can barely understand her, and both have no clue.

[1011101010001]

3 hours ago, TMI said:

Her Mom wanted to know why junnnn did not have his own house since he is 30.

A lot of Americans don’t have a house by 30.  Either by choice or they can’t afford it.

[Frozendiva]

A house is a big investment. I didn't buy my first condo/townhouse til past my mid-30s. No money, no desire to own a moneypit. Renting is a good option when you are not ready to be stuck with a house.

[Medsed]

18 hours ago, DEL901 said:

Agree about the baptism, however, Ari could have converted which would make her Jewish.   That said, I think she has just declared herself Jewish.  

If they are Reform Jews then most of the time they confer religious identity through either parent.  Reform
rabbis make a good argument for patrilineal as well as matrilineal conference of religious identity.  Since most American Jews are Reform Jews it is likely that Ari is indeed Jewish.  

[Medsed]

4 hours ago, TwirlyGirly said:

I believe it's different depending upon whether the father is Orthodox, Conservative, or Reform.

According to My Jewish Learning:

"In the case of intermarriage, the child of a Jewish woman and her gentile male spouse is universally recognized as Jewish, so that the conversion of the infant or child is unnecessary. A more delicate and difficult situation arises when the infant or child is born to a Jewish father and gentile mother. The Orthodox and Conservative movements do not recognize such a child as legally Jewish, so that, in such cases, Orthodox and Conservative parents need to have their child legally converted to Judaism.

Under the Reform movement’s patrilineality principle, the child of a Jewish father and gentile mother is presumed Jewish if the child is raised exclusively in Judaism and engages exclusively in public Jewish acts. The children, then, are legally Jewish."

So, if Ari's father is Reformed, and Ari was raised in Judaism and "engages exclusively in public Jewish acts" (I honestly don't know what that means; if someone does, please educate me) then Ari is Jewish and does not need to convert.

Doing things like remembering charity is a mitzvah, celebrating our holidays, remembering the dead, lighting the Shabbat candle, etc etc etc.  frankly being raised in a household that supports your being Jewish and contends that it is indeed a Jewish household is mostly enough...

 

I posted something about this before I saw your post....in all likelihood they are a reform Jewish family...as about 40% of American Jews are...

[magemaud]

6 hours ago, Colte Gal said:

Jihoon is responsible for ____________________________ (fill in the blank)

the dead rat in Angela's Nigerian apartment

the half dead rat in Rose's shower

[RealReality]

3 hours ago, MrBuhBye said:

A lot of Americans don’t have a house by 30.  Either by choice or they can’t afford it.

Where is devan's house?

Oh, I guess these expectations only apply to men. 

[mamadrama]

11 hours ago, DEL901 said:

You assume Armando would ever want to move to the US.  

 

Or that he would be approved to do so. 

WTH happened to Yazan's sister? The original story was that Brittany was friends with his sister and met him while video chatting with her.

[mamadrama]

4 hours ago, MrBuhBye said:

What grandmother dresses like that and calls people dude?

Dresses like what? They look like normal clothes to me. And who actually gets to decide what is okay for a woman to wear and what isn't? I've never cared for the clothing restrictions people place on women's ages, and those magazine articles about "10 things women over the age of X shouldn't wear" can GTFO. If a woman feels good in what she's wearing then rock on, sister.

Elicia's clothing is the least of her problems. 

[TwirlyGirly]

1 hour ago, mamadrama said:

Dresses like what? They look like normal clothes to me. And who actually gets to decide what is okay for a woman to wear and what isn't? I've never cared for the clothing restrictions people place on women's ages, and those magazine articles about "10 things women over the age of X shouldn't wear" can GTFO. If a woman feels good in what she's wearing then rock on, sister.

Elicia's clothing is the least of her problems. 

Preach! 😊

[Mothra]

On 8/17/2020 at 10:36 PM, Adeejay said:

So according to Bini's family, Ariella should change her religion.  I take that to mean that his religion is important, while hers isn't.  For some people, religion is non-negotiable.  Seems to me that this is a conversation they should have had before she decided to move.  

Hyper-cynic speaking here:  I think Ariella should tell Bini "look.  I'm not going to change my religion, but I will gladly go through whatever steps you want me to so we can have the baby baptized, only because it is so important to you, and I love you."

It's plain that she has no understanding of Christianity if her primary objection is that it requires her to believe in Hell.  The many years she would need to be able to become a Christian (involving unlearning her misconceptions to start with, and should she really want to) means the kid would be in high school before he could be baptized.

I think in cases like this the partner should determine what is really important (Bini wants the baby baptized) and then do whatever it takes to achieve that goal--without compromising your own beliefs.  Who is hurt--Ari's family is mixed, her mother is Christian--and Judaism really depends on the religion of the mother to determine the religion of the child *just like Bini's does*--if Ari's "Christianity" is a matter of convenience, not true belief?

I know, I know--Ari is afraid she'll go to Hell.

On 8/17/2020 at 11:07 PM, Maybeitsme said:

That poor boy and yes at 30 he is still a boy!

Ironically, Deaven's mom wants to dress as if she's still a girl.

[Mothra]

On 8/18/2020 at 6:04 AM, Alonzo Mosely FBI said:

Deavan and her mother are fools.  It's a pro level deflection to put fault on Jihoon when they won't address their own dysfunction - 5 year old in diapers with a pacifier. 

Did we see Jihoon turn around to yell and stop pursuit? 

 Jihoon is their new whipping boy to not look their own issues in the eye. Mother Deaven was cruel, even man child Jihoon doesn't deserve that. 

And when Deaven was describing what had happened, she said Jihoon said, "Stop fucking yelling at me" when he didn't curse at all.  Deaven knew she was on shaky ground and needed to make Jihoon's sin deeper than it was.

[Mothra]

22 hours ago, spunky said:

How is it Jihoon's fault that Drascilla has no blasted behavior?! At that age she should understand what stop means. I've seen 1 year olds with better behavior.  As for her trash mother thinking it was appropriate to threaten Jihoon's life. She needs to be off the show.

 

Your post jarred me into suspecting that show staff called little Dracula into the street after stopping traffic, to create drama without actually endangering the kid, and Jihoon's distress lay in being chastised unfairly, not in failing to keep Dracula safe.  His tears are from frustration, not from remorse.  Further, if my suspicion is correct, we don't know who of the cast was aware that the kid was never really in danger--I mean, with a bunch of adults there from TLC, was anybody really going to allow the kid to run into traffic and get run over?

[Pepper Mostly]

9 hours ago, TwirlyGirly said:

I believe it's different depending upon whether the father is Orthodox, Conservative, or Reform.

According to My Jewish Learning:

"In the case of intermarriage, the child of a Jewish woman and her gentile male spouse is universally recognized as Jewish, so that the conversion of the infant or child is unnecessary. A more delicate and difficult situation arises when the infant or child is born to a Jewish father and gentile mother. The Orthodox and Conservative movements do not recognize such a child as legally Jewish, so that, in such cases, Orthodox and Conservative parents need to have their child legally converted to Judaism.

Under the Reform movement’s patrilineality principle, the child of a Jewish father and gentile mother is presumed Jewish if the child is raised exclusively in Judaism and engages exclusively in public Jewish acts. The children, then, are legally Jewish."

So, if Ari's father is Reformed, and Ari was raised in Judaism and "engages exclusively in public Jewish acts" (I honestly don't know what that means; if someone does, please educate me) then Ari is Jewish and does not need to convert.

Yes, this was my understanding. 

3 hours ago, mamadrama said:

Or that he would be approved to do so. 

WTH happened to Yazan's sister? The original story was that Brittany was friends with his sister and met him while video chatting with her.

I think Yazan's sister lives in the US, she lived upstairs from Brittany. So Brittany caught a glimpse of the "hot" Yazan while she was over his sister's house. 

[Kid]

3 hours ago, mamadrama said:

Elicia's clothing is the least of her problems. 

Amen to that!!

[greekmom]

12 hours ago, Colte Gal said:

Jihoon is responsible for ____________________________ (fill in the blank)

Micheal doing the BG. For Reals. 

(damn this will never get old!!)

Also, Angela throwing cake.

Lisa speaking in a "foreign" accent.

Laura lying.

Mohammed getting his secks elsewhere

Pao being such a ho

Cheesestick being so boring

Mark being such a "specimen" 

Daya's ring having a "spot"

Damn. Can you guys tell I have been watching this trash from day 1?

[Boo Boo]

Wait, how the fuck is it Jihoon's fault that Deavan raised a brat?  How is it his fault that she ran off?  

(I should have looked at all the posts before posting as I see I was not alone!)

Edited August 19, 2020 by Boo Boo

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4 hours ago, mamadrama said:

Dresses like what? They look like normal clothes to me. And who actually gets to decide what is okay for a woman to wear and what isn't? I've never cared for the clothing restrictions people place on women's ages, and those magazine articles about "10 things women over the age of X shouldn't wear" can GTFO. If a woman feels good in what she's wearing then rock on, sister.

Elicia's clothing is the least of her problems. 

I’m entitled to an opinion just like you are.  We don’t need thought police here.

[1011101010001]

It’s okay to criticize David’s leather coat, his hair, Colt’s body etc. but I guess only men can be “shamed” here.

[Sir RaiderDuck OMS]

9 hours ago, MrBuhBye said:

What grandmother dresses like that and calls people dude?

 

8 hours ago, MrBuhBye said:

I don’t think it’s shaming to expect people to wear age appropriate clothing.  She doesn’t have to dress like Granny Clampett, but she is well past being an ingenue.

My wife is fond of saying that if you're in your late 20s or older, dressing and styling your hair the same way you did in high school will mark you as a certain age, even if you otherwise look younger. Elicia obviously wants to look young, but her clothes and hairstyle are having the exact opposite effect.

8 hours ago, MrBuhBye said:

A lot of Americans don’t have a house by 30.  Either by choice or they can’t afford it.

We're in our late 40s and fairly well-off financially (not in the 1%, but definitely in the top 10-15%), but neither of us has ever owned a house or condo. Too much needless expense and too much trouble if you want to move.

[Boo Boo]

16 hours ago, SG11 said:

I understand they didn’t actually show that, which is why I said in my original post that this version of events has not been disputed by anyone. 2 people who witnessed it, Deaven and Elicia repeated the same story and Jihoon, tearfully apologized for it.

If Jihoon said anything like, “that’s not what happened” then I would say the facts are in question and agree we don’t know that Jihoon did anything wrong. However, from what we know, a reasonable person would go by the facts presented and his acceptance and remorse for those facts...that he was running for the child, Deaven yelled at him, and this stopped him in his tracks to respond to that instead of continuing after the child.

In the above is true, then Jihoon most definitely is responsible for dangerous behavior, regardless of all the other noise and idiots who surround him. Those specific acts are what Elicia is screaming about, and I would do the same if he ceased to chase after my child and instead chose to argue in the street.

 

At this point, Jihoon is apologizing for everything b/c of the very real fear that his dour baby mama is going to leave the country with his kid.  

[lilysmom]

19 hours ago, RealReality said:

Yeah, I think it's very telling that Devan was saying that drascilla can NEVER be put down, with the implication that she will run away and into a street if she isnt closely held. 

To me, then, it's a systemic problem that existed far before jihoon came on the scene.  

I think both elicia and Devan are happy to put jihoon in charge of drascilla because they know they have raised an undisciplined, high energy child that neither of them really want to be responsible for.  Carrying the baby is much easier.  

Elicia and Devan want to be able to blame someone else for drascilla's behavior and the consequences.  If jihoon has immediate control of her than no one needs to talk about the years of lackluster parenting that leads to a child who cannot EVER be put down without running into the street. 

Whoever said that it's simple deflection hit the nail on the head. 

Devan and elicia can both pretend like Devan made some great sacrifice to come to Korea and that she can go back to the US if jihoon doesn't clean up his act. 

But, IMO, elicia and her husband are happy to be rid of Devan and drascilla and Devan doesn't have it nearly as good in the United States as she makes out and she cannot find a man who wants to support her and two children from different men while Devan stays at home and particularly when one child is bratty and he will be constantly scapegoated.

I think if Devan had a good situation in the states she would have told jihoon to go fly a kite.  She might have done  a yearly visit with the baby but that would be it. 

Elicia is tired of babysitting a bratty kid who is getting stronger and harder to control. 

Elicia nor her husband are probably happy about the scrawling all over their walls.  They want their lives and their home back.  

Drascilla.  Hard stop. 

But then I see Angela's sweet grandbabies and I think.....awww maybe...  

Very well said! I think I agree with all of this.

Does anyone else think that we know exactly what Deavan (SP?) will look like in 20 years if she bleaches her hair blonde? I think she looks exactly like her mom.

[Boo Boo]

41 minutes ago, lilysmom said:

Very well said! I think I agree with all of this.

Does anyone else think that we know exactly what Deavan (SP?) will look like in 20 years if she bleaches her hair blonde? I think she looks exactly like her mom.

Well, Deavan is pretending she currently looks like this.

 

Spoiler

 

 

[spunky]

3 hours ago, Mothra said:

Your post jarred me into suspecting that show staff called little Dracula into the street after stopping traffic, to create drama without actually endangering the kid, and Jihoon's distress lay in being chastised unfairly, not in failing to keep Dracula safe.  His tears are from frustration, not from remorse.  Further, if my suspicion is correct, we don't know who of the cast was aware that the kid was never really in danger--I mean, with a bunch of adults there from TLC, was anybody really going to allow the kid to run into traffic and get run over?

I never thought of the possibility that TLC staff might be involved with runaway child. Poor Jihoon seems over the whole situation. I also think he might be struggling emotionally after constantly being belittled by Deavan and her trash mother. What's even more disgusting is that someone sent a dm to him on his Instagram telling him to kill himself. Poor Jihoon can't seem to catch a break. 

[Mothra]

18 hours ago, RealReality said:

Jihoon is a consummate apologizer and was so prostrate that I wouldnt have expected him to defend himself. 

This is a really good point, and given what we actually saw of the incident, I'd say that Jihoon also would never, ever put any blame for any part of his actions on anyone else.  That is, while I'm totally able to buy the narrative that Jihoon is a no-good bum when it comes to getting a job, I'm beginning to wonder what else there is to this story.  I think Jihoon's affection for Deaven and the children is genuine, and it's hard for me to imagine that he's been as casual about trying to find a job as we've been led to believe.  I think that even if there were some totally legitimate reason for his inability to get work (not saying there is, just what if) I'm not sure Jihoon would mention it.  I think he is maybe culturally maybe personality driven to accept personal responsibility for whatever goes wrong.  Not to the point of doing something to correct it (assuming it's even within his power to correct it), but to the point of being devastated by what he perceives as his personal failure.

I think we either have to accept that his love for his family is fake, and he really doesn't care about supporting them, or we have to accept that his love for them is genuine, and we're not being told what is really going on with his search for a job.  It's for sure that Jihoon isn't going to tell us, and equally sure that he will apologize about it, even if it's not his fault.

[Mothra]

16 hours ago, magemaud said:

That's what Jihoon said

Just wanted to say that one laugh emoji was not sufficient.  Peed my damn pants.

14 hours ago, magemaud said:

the Pandemic

Global Warming

Murder hornets

Stephanie's illness

 

the inedibility of Moldovan wedding dinners

[Mothra]

12 hours ago, Mrs. Hanson said:

She can dress any way she wants.  She may be a horrible person, but this (and I will apologize if I am wrong) sounds a little woman/gramma shaming to me.  She is probably only 45 years old, if that.  I wear cut off jean shorts and I am 55.  Not a gramma, though.  I call male students "dude" "bro" all the time!!  

But would you wear very, very short cutoff jeans on your first visit to Korea?  I'm older than either of you and I dress like I did thirty years ago (never called anyone "dude," though, unless quoting The Big Lebowski), but I would dude up <snort> for my first visit to a very foreign (to me) land.  Especially if trying to settle my daughter into a grown-up apartment but not speaking the language.

[Scarlett45]

8 hours ago, mamadrama said:

Or that he would be approved to do so. 

WTH happened to Yazan's sister? The original story was that Brittany was friends with his sister and met him while video chatting with her.

Yazan sister still lives in the states last they said. It could be that she wanted no parts of this clusterfuck because she respects her family and knows Brittany has no intention of marrying her brother. Being friendly or socializing with someone doesn’t mean you want to appear on a reality tv show with them. 

[magemaud]

4 hours ago, Mothra said:

with a bunch of adults there from TLC, was anybody really going to allow the kid to run into traffic and get run over?

Were they even anywhere NEAR a street? 

[DEL901]

8 minutes ago, Scarlett45 said:

Yazan sister still lives in the states last they said. It could be that she wanted no parts of this clusterfuck because she respects her family and knows Brittany has no intention of marrying her brother. Being friendly or socializing with someone doesn’t mean you want to appear on a reality tv show with them. 

IIRC, wasn’t she the upstairs neighbour of Brittany’s friend?

[Scarlett45]

Just now, DEL901 said:

IIRC, wasn’t she the upstairs neighbour of Brittany’s friend?

Something like that. 

[magemaud]

1 hour ago, Boo Boo said:

Well, Deavan is pretending she currently looks like this.

I think she’s going for a sultry look but her slack jawed blank expression just makes her look dumb, IMHO

[Mothra]

I have a lot to say this morning.  I apologize; it's my fault, and I'm a terrible husband.  Now I will sit on the curb and sob for a minute...

That's better.

Kenny is mighty quick to urge Armando to be courageous about coming out in a town he (Kenny) is unfamiliar with.  Kenny can have, after such a short time living there, no idea of how tolerant his new neighbors are and no idea of how much danger his desire to kiss or even hold hands publicly might put them in.  He is old enough to remember Matthew Shepherd.

At the same time, Kenny is a real scaredy-cat when it comes to being open about experiencing the parts of his new culture that are uncomfortable for him, silly things like new foods, and important things like learning the language.  He is perfectly willing, it seems, to want Armando to be open, damn the consequences, about a crucial and legitimate concern, one that might be life-threatening, yet he himself must be protected against tacos.

I agree that Armando is a trophy (it's obvious from his self-care that looks are very important to Kenny), but unless Kenny can show him off, Armando might as well be simply the man Kenny loves.

[magemaud]

30 minutes ago, Mothra said:

Just wanted to say that one laugh emoji was not sufficient.  Peed my damn pants.

Let’s blame Jihoon for that, too

Edited August 19, 2020 by magemaud

[AZChristian]

19 minutes ago, Mothra said:

But would you wear very, very short cutoff jeans on your first visit to Korea?  I'm older than either of you and I dress like I did thirty years ago (never called anyone "dude," though, unless quoting The Big Lebowski), but I would dude up <snort> for my first visit to a very foreign (to me) land.  Especially if trying to settle my daughter into a grown-up apartment but not speaking the language.

I'm 73 and a bit of a free spirit, BUT . . . I never want to be that person who people laugh at, stare at, or - heaven forbid - sneak pictures of for later posting on someone else's Facebook as a "DON'T DO THIS" example.

I do proudly admit to having a rather large collection of brightly colored sneakers, but they make people smile - not laugh out loud.  Big difference.

[kirklandia]

4 minutes ago, Mothra said:

He is old enough to remember Matthew Shepherd.

My heart broke a little when Matthew Shepherd's parents appeared on my TV screen last night - they delivered Wyoming's vote count in the roll call at the Democratic Convention.

[Scarlett45]

3 minutes ago, Mothra said:

He is old enough to remember Matthew Shepherd.

Kenneth is almost 60- he’s old enough to be Matthew Shepard’s DAD! (Okay not really hes 14 years older than Matthew Shepard but you get my point)

 

I am not negating the great life Kenneth made for himself- he raised four children to adulthood, had a business and a life and looks damn good. I’m sure he did face oppression as a gay man, and living through the AIDS epidemic is no joke. But to his own admission, he always had a loving supportive family, and he has lived life as an attractive gender conforming white man of means (we know he had money 30yrs ago to afford the IVF treatments in cash). 
 

He has wisdom- but please Kenneth check your privilege just a little. This is a brand new town in a country you just moved to- maybe listen to someone else (yes even someone younger) who may know more about the situation than you because they lived it. Armando likely is doing what he needs to do to keep you and his daughter safe long term. 

[seacliffsal]

One reason that I have rarely had a negative or "bad" experience in my various travels (as well as living in Japan) is that I have dressed to respect the culture and traditions of the countries that I visited (and when I used to take students to Europe I would have various dress codes for them [i.e. appropriate clothing when visiting religious sites, etc.]).  I know that, by golly, we're Americans and do whatever we want (insert eye roll), but I personally prefer to be respectful towards others-especially when a visitor to other countries.  Therefore, I personally find Elicia (well, and Deaven) demonstrably being disrespectful towards the culture in which they find themselves.  The short shorts are out of place.  Want to know how to dress when visiting another nation?  Look at how people dress there.  When my mother came to visit me in Japan (many years ago), I told her what to bring and what to wear.  She was so happy that I did so as while I was working and she was exploring and experiencing the city (Kitakyushu), she had an extremely wonderful experience and was respectful towards others at the same time.

Yes, people can wear what they want.  However, I do think that sometimes one should demonstrate respect towards other traditions and cultures.  This does not mean one has to practice religious practices that do not ally with one's own religious views, but to respect the modesty and other aspects of the culture.

Sorry this was so long-winded.

[Johannah]

12 hours ago, MrBuhBye said:

Why was Deavan focusing on yelling at Jihoon when her child was in danger?  There was plenty of time for her to chastise him later.  She seems to make a full-time pursuit of it.  Priorities I guess.

Exactly what I was thinking.  Her child was supposedly running into danger and instead of yelling for help, she chooses then to assign blame?  Whether or not it was all Jihoon's fault, that was a most inopportune time to start that argument.

[AZChristian]

Just now, Johann said:

Exactly what I was thinking.  Her child was supposedly running into danger and instead of yelling for help, she chooses then to assign blame?  Whether or not it was all Jihoon's fault, that was a most inopportune time to start that argument.

People prioritize what is important to them in every moment of their life.  Her priority was to blame Jihoon for ANYTHING in her life that wasn't perfect . . . no matter whose fault it was.

[Mr. Miner]

8 hours ago, Mothra said:

I think Ariella should tell Bini "look.  I'm not going to change my religion, but I will gladly go through whatever steps you want me to so we can have the baby baptized, only because it is so important to you, and I love you."

I think Ariella should tell Bini "look.  I'm not going to change my religion, but I will gladly go through whatever steps you want me to so we can finish this TLC charade, then I'm flying home on the first thing smoking. Your dreadlocks were important to me and I saw your nightclub act, I'm just not feeling it anymore.

 

Edited August 19, 2020 by Mr. Miner

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52 minutes ago, seacliffsal said:

One reason that I have rarely had a negative or "bad" experience in my various travels (as well as living in Japan) is that I have dressed to respect the culture and traditions of the countries that I visited (and when I used to take students to Europe I would have various dress codes for them [i.e. appropriate clothing when visiting religious sites, etc.]).  I know that, by golly, we're Americans and do whatever we want (insert eye roll), but I personally prefer to be respectful towards others-especially when a visitor to other countries.  Therefore, I personally find Elicia (well, and Deaven) demonstrably being disrespectful towards the culture in which they find themselves.  The short shorts are out of place.  Want to know how to dress when visiting another nation?  Look at how people dress there.  When my mother came to visit me in Japan (many years ago), I told her what to bring and what to wear.  She was so happy that I did so as while I was working and she was exploring and experiencing the city (Kitakyushu), she had an extremely wonderful experience and was respectful towards others at the same time.

Yes, people can wear what they want.  However, I do think that sometimes one should demonstrate respect towards other traditions and cultures.  This does not mean one has to practice religious practices that do not ally with one's own religious views, but to respect the modesty and other aspects of the culture.

Sorry this was so long-winded.

I think elicia was dressing for the camera....nothing more.  

Were it me....I'd probably dress for comfort and protection.  

Short shorts with a small heeled sandal are going to be uncomfortable for long walks on unfamiliar terrain and may not offer the best protection if you find out there are bugs or mosquitos in an area. 

Korea is a first world country, but it's one she has never been to.  She cannot be guaranteed that it'll all be suburbs that that she can traverse in an Uber to get to the mall.  

There are parts of the US that are more rural and remote and I'd also dress for comfort.  

But elicia wasn't trying to be on TV in a sensible outfit.  I kinda find it amusing, like when family members on Hoarders have freshly pressed hair and newly done nails and a nice matching outfit.  Like girl, I get you're in TV but you're stepping into a house littered with rat poop and probably a fair amount of human poop....no need to look good.