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S11.E05: A Baby Girl for Joe & Kendra

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Tikichick

Tikichick

10 hours ago, tabloidlover said:

Just now tuning in... Mad at myself as there were moments a few years ago that I thought Joe was different.  Each week it is increasingly obvious I was wrong.   Did he really ask her to vacuum 2 weeks prior to birth??  gtfo

To be fair, we also saw her confirming with him that he was going to bathe their little boy when she handed him the pajamas while she was showing signs of going into labor.   I actually considered that progress in this bunch.  Obviously the bar is so low you have to pick up the carpet and dig for it.   Nonetheless I was surprised, if nothing else that JB would allow that notion to make it to the airwaves.

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Barb23

Barb23

2 hours ago, flyingdi said:

Out of all of them I hate seeing Kendra in pain.  It just seems way too personal and she is so young.

I know and it's not like an epidural is even a possibility for her.  

What is it with epidurals & these ladies? There was no need for Jinger to explain why she ended up getting one. It sounded like she was apologizing for getting one even though it worked & sped things up.  Sure is different than the Bates girls who make sure they pick up their epidurals when they check in.

I know Lauren had problems with her epidurals.  Did Abby get one?(Sorry, i dont remember & can't wait til next week's episode to find out or did they do all the birth episodes last night & I fell asleep?)

 

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Barb23

Barb23

I don't remember what birth it was  but I thought the EMT said Jessa lost a unit of blood. 

Can any of our medical people explain how much this is & how severe it is?  Well I guess it's not good when it gushes out of you all at once after childbirth. 

Of course, Jessa made it sound like it was a walk in the park, like she had a paper cut after it was all done. 

Thinking back, I think it was Spurgy's birth. She said she got  Pitocin at the hospital after Ivy's birth.

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doodlebug

doodlebug

1 hour ago, Barb23 said:

I don't remember what birth it was  but I thought the EMT said Jessa lost a unit of blood. 

Can any of our medical people explain how much this is & how severe it is?  Well I guess it's not good when it gushes out of you all at once after childbirth. 

Of course, Jessa made it sound like it was a walk in the park, like she had a paper cut after it was all done. 

Thinking back, I think it was Spurgy's birth. She said she got  Pitocin at the hospital after Ivy's birth.

An actual unit of blood is 250 cc of packed red cells.  Of course the blood in our veins is diluted with plasma, so losing a unit would mean about a 500 cc blood loss.  However, 500 cc is a normal amount to lose in childbirth, so Jessa obviously lost more than that.  Since she probably didn't get routine prenatal blood work, it is also possible she was anemic to start which would've made a smaller blood loss more clinically significant.

In general, there is no specific amount of blood lost that would trigger a transfusion except in cases of massive hemorrhage which would be well over a liter.  We base the decision to transfuse on the patient's overall age and condition (elderly and people with chronic health problems are going to need blood sooner than a healthy young person), the amount of blood already lost as well as what the anticipated loss might be if the bleeding is not under control, what the patient's blood count was to start and, then, over time, how symptomatic is the patient (are they dizzy when they get up?  Are they unable to walk a short distance, etc?).

In maternity patients, a normal hemoglobin level is around 12. though there is a range.   Most postpartum women,  who had a hemorrhage but whose bleeding was then under control, would probably not need a transfusion unless their blood count was less than 7.  Once again, these are general ranges for young, healthy women and one size does not fit all.

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CouchTater

CouchTater

18 hours ago, Chicklet said:

Those Duggar kids are feral. Not sure what Joe and Kendra were thinking asking them to "clean" other than they needed something to film. Got what they asked for I guess.

I noticed during the group shot of all of them cleaning in the living room (I think) Josie was "vacuuming" with a child's push toy.  How old is she again?  11?  I keep wondering if she's delayed or just a brat.  Or possibly both?

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Squirrely

Squirrely

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Why do they insist on acting like there were ever 19 kids in the house? Josh was married with Mack on the way before Josie was even conceived, and by then the older daughters had long been running the show. Give it up, already. 

Ugh, poor Kendra. So young, and trained to "keep sweet." Someone needed to advocate better for her in that delivery room. The baby is crowning, but hold it in until the doctor finishes a delivery in a different hospital? Nah. I wouldn't have entertained that idea for a hot second, and if for some reason I'd been rendered mute my husband and/or mom wouldn't have stood for that. 

That poor girl makes me sadder than most of the others. She's clearly very fertile and this lifestyle is going to kill her, mentally if not physically. 

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libgirl2

libgirl2

2 minutes ago, Squirrely said:

Why do they insist on acting like there were ever 19 kids in the house? Josh was married with Mack on the way before Josie was even conceived, and by then the older daughters had long been running the show. Give it up, already. 

Ugh, poor Kendra. So young, and trained to "keep sweet." Someone needed to advocate better for her in that delivery room. The baby is crowning, but hold it in until the doctor finishes a delivery in a different hospital? Nah. I wouldn't have entertained that idea for a hot second, and if for some reason I'd been rendered mute my husband and/or mom wouldn't have stood for that. 

That poor girl makes me sadder than most of the others. She's clearly very fertile and this lifestyle is going to kill her, mentally if not physically. 

And isn't it dangerous to not push and try to hold off the birth? I seem to remember a second cousin of my ex who tried to hold of the actual birth and who's son was born with developmental disabilities. I also thought it was also the case with Rosemary Kennedy. 

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toomuchtv

toomuchtv

5 hours ago, CouchTater said:

I noticed during the group shot of all of them cleaning in the living room (I think) Josie was "vacuuming" with a child's push toy.  How old is she again?  11?  I keep wondering if she's delayed or just a brat.  Or possibly both?

I believe she turned 10 last December-ish. I was pregnant with my daughter when she was born and my daughter turned 10 in June. So during this episode she was probably 9, almost 10? My daughter might pick up a kids toy to play around, but she is very capable of vacuuming and most other easy house chores (not that she always does them willingly or decently)

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doodlebug

doodlebug

3 hours ago, Pingaponga said:

Is it really the case that all women in the hospital get two transfusions or whatever of Pitocin after giving birth, as per Jessa? Because that's not the case in Canada.

A transfusion means being given blood, which, no, all women in the hospital do not get a transfusion.  As for pitocin, it has been shown in multiple studies that giving a woman pitocin either as an injection in a muscle or diluted in IV fluids helps prevent postpartum hemorrhage which, of course, is the situation that leads to needing a transfusion.  Women who receive pitocin are significantly less likely to become anemic or need a transfusion after delivery.  Most people would think the benefits outweigh the risks.  Pitocin, BTW, is chemically identical to oxytocin, a hormone produced in the brain which also causes uterine contractions.

While I would expect that most practitioners in a hospital setting would recommend giving pitocin after delivery and most labor and delivery nurses would give it fairly automatically; any patient can refuse any treatment at any time.  I have certainly cared for patients who declined pitocin after delivery, especially back in the days when women wanted unmedicated births and no interventions.  I explain what I feel to be the advantages of pitocin and they can have it or not.  If they refuse, they do understand that I am going to want to give it if they have excess bleeding after delivery and I've never had a problem with the woman agreeing to it in that situation.

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Fallacy

Fallacy

I was surprised to hear Jeremy talk about being arrested and drinking. Have we heard about his arrest before? That seems like new information to me. I would have assumed we had a copy of his arrest record by now if this board knew about an arrest. Lol.

Anyway, I hate to admit it, but Jeremy was impressive on his skateboard. It’s not an easy sport to pick up, at all. So watching him figure out how to ride a board up and down ramps did impress me a bit. Of course, he’s still an arrogant jerk, and I love how every time we meet one of his friends, that friend mentions Jeremy’s ego on camera. 

It was also nice to see Henry do so well with his speech therapy testing. He’s a cutie, and I was impressed by how much he knew and could communicate. He has come a long way, so kudos to Ben and Jessa for helping him get there. 

Finally, poor Kendra! Please give that sweetheart of a girl a freaking epidural next time. 

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Vantraveller

Vantraveller

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11 hours ago, Squirrely said:

Why do they insist on acting like there were ever 19 kids in the house? Josh was married with Mack on the way before Josie was even conceived, and by then the older daughters had long been running the show. Give it up, already. 

 

This. The producer who asked the question surely knows this and JB and Michelle surely know it and we all know it so why??? Also Josh was married even before Jordan was born and by the time Josie was born, Jana and JD were a month off being 20, Jill was 18 and Jessa 17. Hardly a houseful of "kids". When they talk about 19 kids, they always make it sound like they were all small children at the same time when in reality the older ones were adults when the younger ones were born. 

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Barb23

Barb23

17 hours ago, CouchTater said:

I noticed during the group shot of all of them cleaning in the living room (I think) Josie was "vacuuming" with a child's push toy.  How old is she again?  11?  I keep wondering if she's delayed or just a brat.  Or possibly both?

I think it was producer driven & TLC  thought it would be funny showing her using the toy vacuum. 

sATL

sATL

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Whoa - I feel bad for Jill.. no mention of her or contribution to the grandchildren brood... Just a couple of glimpses...

Same is true for Josh's kids - and he holds the current record of grandchildren...

Damn at least show the kids of Josh/Jill photo in the birth order.. No need to punish them.

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sATL

sATL

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2 hours ago, Fallacy said:

I was surprised to hear Jeremy talk about being arrested and drinking. Have we heard about his arrest before? That seems like new information to me. I would have assumed we had a copy of his arrest record by now if this board knew about an arrest. Lol.

Anyway, I hate to admit it, but Jeremy was impressive on his skateboard. It’s not an easy sport to pick up, at all. So watching him figure out how to ride a board up and down ramps did impress me a bit. Of course, he’s still an arrogant jerk, and I love how every time we meet one of his friends, that friend mentions Jeremy’s ego on camera. 

 

D&D... drunk and disorderly.

Probably paid the fine after a night in jail , posted a modest bond and re-found the Lord , which made the task of  doing community service easier.

The scene of night jail as man as good looking as he is, probably also made him re-find the Lord real quick too.

https://www.thehollywoodgossip.com/videos/jeremy-vuolo-opens-up-about-drunken-arrest-in-counting-on-shocke/

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Zella

Zella

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2 hours ago, Fallacy said:

I was surprised to hear Jeremy talk about being arrested and drinking. Have we heard about his arrest before? That seems like new information to me. I would have assumed we had a copy of his arrest record by now if this board knew about an arrest. Lol.

Anyway, I hate to admit it, but Jeremy was impressive on his skateboard. It’s not an easy sport to pick up, at all. So watching him figure out how to ride a board up and down ramps did impress me a bit. Of course, he’s still an arrogant jerk, and I love how every time we meet one of his friends, that friend mentions Jeremy’s ego on camera. 

It was also nice to see Henry do so well with his speech therapy testing. He’s a cutie, and I was impressed by how much he knew and could communicate. He has come a long way, so kudos to Ben and Jessa for helping him get there. 

Finally, poor Kendra! Please give that sweetheart of a girl a freaking epidural next time. 

I'm pretty sure the board was discussing his arrest a few years ago. I've been here since 2015 (though patchy in my participation at times), and I remember us discussing Jeremy's arrest before now. I'm not entirely sure when though. We've also discussed some woman on Twitter who was talking about doing keg stands (or something suitably drunken and rowdy) with him. LOL

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jcbrown

jcbrown

23 hours ago, latetotheparty said:

I first read D&D as Dungeons and Dragons but Jeremy is not clever enough for that. Plus he’d be a dead bore.  

You know he'd roll up a cleric or a paladin every. single. time. and would wander around proselytizing. Plus, he'd want to follow his god in real life, not one from the D&D pantheons. I think even the good character I'm playing in one of my current (Zoom-based) campaigns would feel justified in killing him.

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Chicklet

Chicklet

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Wait, they are showing Bin's Lasik surgery next week? Ok these people officially have nothing going on in their lives. And I cannot take eye stuff, nope not watching now.

But uh in their world view- if God wanted Bin to have perfect eyesight, wouldn't he have provided him with that? Isn't Bin correcting one of God's mistakes? Things that make you go hmmm.

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Angeltoes

Angeltoes

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On 8/5/2020 at 9:42 PM, Squirrely said:

Ugh, poor Kendra. So young, and trained to "keep sweet." Someone needed to advocate better for her in that delivery room. The baby is crowning, but hold it in until the doctor finishes a delivery in a different hospital?

Isn't birthing babies part of med school training no matter what the student's specialty is going to be?  Couldn't they just get on the intercom and ask if there's a doctor in the house like they do on planes?

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yeah but Momma Caldwell is the best  under pressure to handle the births of her grandchild.. I can see the love.. I can see the care, she knows what and how to do.. focusing on Kendra...

My mother was briefly in the room when I was giving birth.  She thought I was making too big a deal out my labor pains and said, "Oh, it's not that bad."  She got thrown out.

I had no idea JereME was 6'3".  

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