S10.E10: Black Ties and White Lies

[Keywestclubkid]

1 hour ago, Luckylondon said:

I am copying this from my posts in the small talk and Denise threads because they are episode related, even if across several episodes because it is clear this won’t end. Denise wants this dropped and put it bluntly, “I have said enough. I want it over. Stop talking about my kids, I won’t continue this over and over” and has resorted to walking out because they won’t stop asking why she is upset or wanting clarity. She said she isn’t upset, she simply doesn’t want to discuss it after talking at lunch with Erika, at facials with Teddi and Sutton and for two hours night 1 in Santa Barbara and again at breakfast Day 2 in Santa Barbara. She has said all she feels she can say and they don’t like it and want to question her. The other ladies refuse to discuss lawsuits or things about their children or their husbands and they all back off, so what is the problem? They gripe that she won’t discuss it! She HASSSSS! She explained it 10 times and how she is not mad, yet she wanted to tone it down for the young people at the tables next to them. That is it. PERIOD. She will talk about sex on the next girl trip. She is not a hypocrite; she prefers her developmentally delayed 9 year old and half of Malibu high school’s eighth grade class not to go home talking about how they talk about inappropriate things at the Richards’ house and fears no one will come over to her girls’ house any more for pizza because the parents’ could hear about inappropriate language and the girls could be ostracized or something. With an unstable father, they don’t need more stress. It is a valid concern for her that maybe the married ladies with stable husbands don’t have to worry about. Have some empathy! It is not about shaming YOU!! It is about understanding it COULD make things awkward for her daughters, not that it DID. She has to protect them and the minors in her home for the ice cream event. Regarding her feelings having no validity even  if Sami wasn’t crying about it, that is irrelevant! She was awkward laughing and those other kids did look shocked and a little weirded out turning around to hear that. I wouldn’t feel scandalized at 15 hearing that, but I would feel mortified and uncomfortable if it was MY mom or her friends, even if I said “we were dying laughing.” She is not going to say that it was embarrassing, especially on camera! And why is Sami the authority on what is appropriate and not her mother??? The worst thing to say at 15 is that you care about ANYTHING. Also, this is making me nuts all season, but wasn’t Eloise there too? From what I understand, she understands things, yet she is unable to speak. So she can hear unsettling things like this and is unable to ask about it? At 9 years old? Hearing about sex? That is unacceptable to be speaking about loudly in front of that child after being asked twice to keep it down and getting insulted that asking to be quiet implies they are bad moms. Project much, Kyle? Take your guilt from being on a movie set elsewhere. Denise, a true working actress, has no patience or understanding for your tears and inability to understand you handle being away for a tiny part in Halloween with one child at home and a full time husband and a big time attitude about being the best mom on earth, but no respect for her or her children? Kyle has totally lost me this season. The excuse that kids have heard it before is just nonsensical!! Because Denise was in a threesome in a MOVIE— not in real life— over 20 years ago, when she was playing a high school teenager— she should be ok with having her teen daughters sexualized and EXPECT it?? I don’t blame her for not wanting to discuss it after hours and continue this as a storyline and I don’t blame Aaron for being angry, despite his ineloquent delivery. There is also a difference between 18 and 15, 13, and 9– legally AND morally and everyone knows that. 

These women can shove it with attacking her because she asked them to keep it down on the sex talk because she had a bunch of kids (and other people’s kids eating at tables in the backyard)! Yes, she played a psychotic 18 year old high school student who was preyed upon by a corrupt cop and killed someone and had a three-some in a MOVIE with Neve Campbell and Kevin Bacon over 20 years ago— it was fake and a movie— it wasn’t her life!! Are you your music videos, Mrs. Girardi? Yes, Denise is enthusiastic about sex because she has a hot new HUSBAND (she is not talking about crazy threesomes and one night stands, Rinna brought up her filming a threesome and that Charlie has hookers in his life— not that Denise was involved— she has been a single mom for a long time to protect her kids and she found a great guy (for her) who is great with Eloise, so she is excited to talk girl talk with the girls. There is a difference when she is with the girls at dinner or on a camping trip then when hosting with three tables of teens and tweens and Eloise within arms length. If the distinction is too confusing that the ladies must discuss it at every event because they take it personally because Kyle has Mom-guilt so Teddy is taking it as a personal affront, then I wouldn’t bring my developmentally delayed child around them either with them yelling at me and seeing me upset and angry holding back tears! Eloise would see her parents distressed and she can’t even speak to ask why because she doesn’t have language ability and these women are so self-focused that they have no empathy for that, they are only concerned how THEY feel. Why can’t the ladies understand these things are upsetting to a child AND it was Sutton who TOLD Denise, “maybe you just shouldn’t bring your kids around us” in a manners etiquette “suggestion” manner and Denise looked stunned and hurt her? THAT is when she got defensive in Santa Barbara and said “it was MY home.” When Teddi said at Kyle’s BBQ, “Wait, are you saying you don’t feel comfortable bringing your kids around us?” Denise said, “Well, I was given a note not to do so” and then they all started clucking and Aaron jumped in and it was on and then they got up and left. Denise took Sutton’s comment as direction because she was on set on a show and it was a criticism and it HURT her. These ladies can’t handle that they HURT her because what that might mean about them, so they are spinning it to make HER a bad person. It is making me see how truly awful each of them are in their efforts to not look bad on TV. I am team Denise. Aaron is incoherent and ineloquent, yet I understand why he is upset. They asked them not to speak about sex acts in front of his daughter. To him it is simple. There is nothing to discuss. This season makes me aggy just watching it. There is no escapism. Ughhh, I think I am done with them all.

I looooooooooove all of this ..... These woman like a lot of people in the "real" world cant separate a role someone plays and the actor who played it ..... Rinna of all people should understand this just because you played a roll doesn't mean that is who you are good god what next Rinna well Denise you murdered someone in a movie once you should be arrested because you MUST be a murder in real life? Get a fucking grip... again Denise can have all the 3somes she wants in the real world because she isnt doing them with her children present .....that is the sticking point with all of this She isnt doing it with her kids around..... point blank period .. now they are gonna try to drag Brandi's tired ass in has a gottca see she does do 3somes ... and what? did she do it with her 3 daughters in the room watching? NO then it has no baring on ANYTHING. They have started this smear campaign of Denise is a bad mother and its just NASTY and really highlights how vile and vicious they really are  .. just because you become a parent you dont dry up and die and never have sex again.....Rinna has no leg to stand on in any of this look how fucked up her kids are anyway they cant even function on their own and need praise 24/7 ohh i got the flowers all by myself.. really? out of everything that was going on that's the one thing you did by yourself at your own event for a clothing line they "supposedly" "created" "themselves" but it was the flowers that were pointed out as getting on their own? GROUNDBREAKING ....

Edited July 16, 2020 by Keywestclubkid

[mytmo]

8 hours ago, Rahul said:

Mia, the blonde, buxom guest Brandi brought along was a man! Well, formerly a man...I am pretty sure he was the dude sporting the flat cap, five o'clock shadow and arm tattoo in the very last flashback scene featuring Brandi from this very same episode. Did anyone else catch that?

Mr. Mytmo caught that.  I was stuck on the Madame Tussard wax museum quality of Brandi, Kris, Adrienne and a bunch of other "guests".  When Kyle went to kiss the ring I was shocked at Kris's look.

[Keywestclubkid]

another thing dragging Brandi in this to discredit Denise ... really? Brandi of all people? Kyle really? this is the bottom of the barrel that you are gonna go to to try to attack someone? the woman who you claimed help destroy your sister and your relationship the woman who was a sloppy drunkin mess and talks about hooking up with random guys when she was drinking to much who has underage children of her own who she would randomly bring strange men to meet like they would be in their lives forever then would vanish when she got bored with them? you are gonna try to use as a gauge of moral parental superiority? has far as I can tell every "adult" thing Denise has/had done didn't involve her children being in the same room or even around so Brandi being brought in in any capacity other then to try to shit on Denise is moot ...........but somehow its Denise that is the bad one? Am i high or are they not seeing how hypocritical they are being? ..... this is what the group is gonna go with?  ..... #TeamDenise all day every day

Edited July 16, 2020 by Keywestclubkid

[The Ringo Kidd]

Definitions a bad mother: not having time for your daughter to help her get ready for a big party because telling people their jobs when you have an event coordinator is more important.

[Baltimore Betty]

12 hours ago, Straycat80 said:

We are getting some house porn. Camille always has great homes and seals! 

I was enjoying the house porn but considering the grand homes we have seen from Camille I was disappointed by the Malibu home, it looked small and disjointed to me.  Her friend Kimber confused me, I thought she was an "assistant," because she was pouring the drinks and did not go outside with Kyle and Camille but then she showed up as Camille's plus one, is she an actual friend or an "assistant/friend?" 

Also, Brandi's friend...that was originally a man, right?  Man or woman, pish, posh, her dress was too short and Brandi looks terrible, way too many straw like extensions in her hair and way too many trips to the surgeon.

When the camera was on Kathy and Kris interacting with each other Kyle made sure she interrupted to say her outfit was from her line...Kim never really paid attention to Kyle and was busy checking out the silent auction items.  Kyle looked so needy.

Lisa Rinna really knows how to suck the air out of the room, what was the point of telling Camille she sucks on Twitter when she was trying to apologize? The same goes for Teddi, why does she need to be nasty to Camille, this woman has nothing to do with her life, let her apologize and move on since that is what you say you do.

Adrienne has not changed a bit, needs an updated hair style but kudos for her and Paul getting along.

 

[eleanorofaquitaine]

1 hour ago, Keywestclubkid said:

I looooooooooove all of this ..... These woman like a lot of people in the "real" world cant separate a role someone plays and the actor who played it ..... Rinna of all people should understand this just because you played a roll doesn't mean that is who you are good god what next Rinna well Denise you murdered someone in a movie once you should be arrested because you MUST be a murder in real life? Get a fucking grip... again Denise can have all the 3somes she wants in the real world because she isnt doing them with her children present .....that is the sticking point with all of this She isnt doing it with her kids around..... point blank period .. now they are gonna try to drag Brandi's tired ass in has a gottca see she does do 3somes ... and what? did she do it with her 3 daughters in the room watching? NO then it has no baring on ANYTHING. They have started this smear campaign of Denise is a bad mother and its just NASTY and really highlights how vile and vicious they really are  .. just because you become a parent you dont dry up and die and never have sex again.....Rinna has no leg to stand on in any of this look how fucked up her kids are anyway they cant even function on their own and need praise 24/7 ohh i got the flowers all by myself.. really? out of everything that was going on that's the one thing you did by yourself at your own event for a clothing line they "supposedly" "created" "themselves" but it was the flowers that were pointed out as getting on their own? GROUNDBREAKING ....

I don't really understand this argument. Ostensibly, Denise isn't supposed to be playing a role on this show - she isn't supposed to be playing "I am so free with my sex life that I talk about my husband's penis size and happy endings but really I am prim and proper in my 'real' life."  She is supposed to be showing us who she actually is.  I actually think that is the crux of Rinna's argument that is legitimate - you aren't supposed to be acting here, Denise. You are supposed to be showing us the "real Denise." And I do think Rinna isn't wrong to say that Denise is portraying this supposed Ms. Free Spirit Sex Life on screen, while keeping things more private off-screen.

All of that being said, I still think that is unrelated to Denise saying, "please don't talk about threesomes loudly in my house, when my kids are near." I am not Denise's biggest fan, and I do think that there is some artifice to her, but I have zero problem with her setting that rule in her house. Rinna and the rest of them seem to be using that one event to try to pry open Denise's home life or something, and IMO, that wasn't the event to use. 

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Definitions a bad mother: not having time for your daughter to help her get ready for a big party because telling people their jobs when you have an event coordinator is more important.

That's not my definition of a "bad mother." My definition of a "bad mother" is one who allows her children to be abused or neglects them. Kyle is neither neglectful nor abusive, nor does she not show her daughters love and affection. So, no, Kyle is not a "bad mother," in my view. 

Edited July 16, 2020 by eleanorofaquitaine

[The Ringo Kidd]

Teddi says she doesn’t need Camille to talk to her she doesn’t like her and she should just go away.

Teddy the audience doesn’t need you to talk to us and we don’t like you and we want you to go away.

[Keywestclubkid]

9 minutes ago, eleanorofaquitaine said:

I don't really understand this argument. Ostensibly, Denise isn't supposed to be playing a role on this show - she isn't supposed to be playing "I am so free with my sex life that I talk about my husband's penis size and happy endings but really I am prim and proper in my 'real' life."  She is supposed to be showing us who she actually is.  I actually think that is the crux of Rinna's argument that is legitimate - you aren't supposed to be acting here, Denise. You are supposed to be showing us the "real Denise." And I do think Rinna isn't wrong to say that Denise is portraying this supposed Ms. Free Spirit Sex Life on screen, while keeping things more private off-screen.

All of that being said, I still think that is unrelated to Denise saying, "please don't talk about threesomes loudly in my house, when my kids are near." I am not Denise's biggest fan, and I do think that there is some artifice to her, but I have zero problem with her setting that rule in her house. Rinna and the rest of them seem to be using that one event to try to pry open Denise's home life or something, and IMO, that wasn't the event to use. 

Denise isnt saying she doesn't say these things IRL she is saying she doesn't say them to her children's face ... there is a HUGE difference .. that's like saying Erika acts one way around her friends and these woman and in public  but doesn't act that way around her husband (she does this on camera and on a show her husband can see but no one is saying oh that's fake cause your husband watches this so we can act a fool around him) ...... no one questions that or calls her fake or a hypocrite its just she has "respect" to not act that way with her husband present just the same way Denise does with her children ....  there is absolutely no difference in the two just that they are attacking one while clutching their pearls like well she doesn't act like that with us while ignoring that one of their other friends does the same thing

Edited July 16, 2020 by Keywestclubkid

[bichonblitz]

Kris Jenner looked less than enthusiastic to be at Kyles party. Maybe because the spotlight wasn't on her and her vapid daughters. She also looked old and tired. 

Kyles bangs are growing on me. What's wrong with bangs, anyway? I had them for years and years and felt forced to grow them out because nobody else was wearing them anymore and I didn't want to look out of style. Now I have to get botox because I don't have bangs to cover my forehead lines and between the eyes lines. Sigh. 

I would kill to live in Malibu with that view but Camille's house felt small and cramped. It's Malibu so it probably cost close to 10 Million. Insane. 

Edited July 16, 2020 by bichonblitz

[Keywestclubkid]

From a recap of the episode that i think kinda explains it better .....Rinna thinks it’s foolhardy of Denise to think that her kids won’t watch TV and see Denise saying sexy things on the air. When talking about this with a friend, he made a very apt analogy. “It’s the difference between me as a kid finding my gay older brother’s porn stash and him being like, ‘Hey, check this out,’ and giving me the magazine when it was inappropriate.” That’s it exactly. If they discover Denise saying these things it’s different than her saying them to their face and not caring.

 

 

https://www.vulture.com/article/real-housewives-of-beverly-hills-recap-season-10-episode-10.html

[ladypoodle]

An enjoyable episode - felt more authentic than usual and lots of house/party porn. Not a very diverse group of people at Kyles function!

Kyles house is pretty, and definitely warm and inviting, but looking at the details esp books it really does look like a very basic designer put it together, with no real input showing kyles personality or lack of. Books about Fashion, Chanel, andy warhol etc. Reveals nothing about the owner, just bland and generic.

Poor Aaron. He is a nutter with his work, and he fleeces his customers with his woo, but even he's right occasionally. Its not bullying, its just whipping up drama RHOBH style and he never got the memo. It is however frustrating for grown women to refer to discussion with a male as bullying or mansplaining etc when its just a (confected) disagreement, and he just wants to stop harping on about it. 

Edited July 16, 2020 by ladypoodle

[FancyNancy]

10 hours ago, Rahul said:

Mia, the blonde, buxom guest Brandi brought along was a man! Well, formerly a man...I am pretty sure he was the dude sporting the flat cap, five o'clock shadow and arm tattoo in the very last flashback scene featuring Brandi from this very same episode. Did anyone else catch that?

I believe it. I missed that flashback. Dang! 

[Ohiopirate02]

1 hour ago, Keywestclubkid said:

another thing dragging Brandi in this to discredit Denise ... really? Brandi of all people? Kyle really? this is the bottom of the barrel that you are gonna go to to try to attack someone? the woman who you claimed help destroy your sister and your relationship the woman who was a sloppy drunkin mess and talks about hooking up with random guys when she was drinking to much who has underage children of her own who she would randomly bring strange men to meet like they would be in their lives forever then would vanish when she got bored with them? you are gonna try to use as a gauge of moral parental superiority? has far as I can tell every "adult" thing Denise has/had done didn't involve her children being in the same room or even around so Brandi being brought in in any capacity other then to try to shit on Denise is moot ...........but somehow its Denise that is the bad one? Am i high or are they not seeing how hypocritical they are being? ..... this is what the group is gonna go with?  ..... #TeamDenise all day every day

Well, Kyle did say that she saw Brandi's video where she was bemoaning not having a husband.  That video tugged on Kyle's heartstrings and she reached out to a hurting Brandi to try to patch things up.  Or more likely, Kyle saw that video and felt smug being married to Maurico and can always use a friend to make herself feel better.  

[Lady of nod]

Denise should have taken a page from Kim and asked Rhinna if she wanted to talk about the husband. 

If these women weren't so insecure about their own parenting they would have let this Denise thing go 5 episodes ago. I'm not really sure what it is they want her to say. They're insufferable. And nasty.  This show is not fun to watch. Hasn't been for a couple of years now. I'm up for a little cat fight now and then but the storyline  every season is pick someone, imagine they've offended you and circle them like the pack of wolves they are and attack.  Nothing will change until they get rid of the mean girls. Rhinna and Kyle need to go at the very least

i love you Denise. And Garcelle.

 

,,,

[Pondlass1]

The Denise-gate thing is going to drag on and on and on apparently. What Rinna and the others don’t seem to get is that they were in her home and the invited children’s friends were within earshot. She reminded them and all they needed to do was change the subject.. which was boring anyway. Over and done.

Bravo... find a new drama or ratings will drop. Not Brandi-gate! 🤮Hope that storyline dies a quick death.
 

 

[Mar]

Kyle shared this to her Instagram. Her inner mean girl is showing.

[The Ringo Kidd]

You can bet that LVP is dying to hang around with Brandi and Teddy and Rinna.

I bet she would rather have hot dogs in Yulin. 
 

[Jextella]

I enjoyed seeing the past housewives!  I really like all of them for various reasons - but perhaps only in guest-level quantities, e.g. at parties and such.

Harsh, but I think Camille and Aaron aren't at the same intellectual level as the rest.  They can't keep up and it makes their exchanges with the others draining, if not a bit sad.

 

[Mar]

Kyle: Denise is avoiding confrontation.

 

Geeeeee, I wonder why🙄🙄

[shirazplease]

Kyle's pink neon sign at the entry "Bitch please...blah blah."  Wow.  That's so low rent, especially at a high end charity auction.  She really does have to make EVERY SINGLE THING about her.  I don't know how Mauricio stands her.  He must be high AF all the damn time.

[Keywestclubkid]

2 minutes ago, shirazplease said:

  I don't know how Mauricio stands her.  He must be high AF all the damn time.

can you blame him if he is... to be around these harpies all the time id be popping edibles left and right to 😛 hehe

[Mar]

These women are so full of themselves and so artificial that I’m not sure how much longer I can keep watching this show. Their egos are so inflated. Denise is the only one I excuse from this description.

Every time Teddi appears in a scene, I am always taken aback because I always forget that she’s in the show.

[suomi]

16 minutes ago, Jextella said:

Harsh, but I think Camille and Aaron aren't at the same intellectual level as the rest.

This is why I don't get the sustained applause for her "morally corrupt" quip. It sounds awkward because it's redundant.

The word corrupt already implies that a situation's or person's morals are deficient. 

I've always heard the phrase "morally bankrupt" used.

She struggles a bit with sounding well-spoken sometimes because she aspires to a level that doesn't come naturally.

[Mar]

OMG, Thank you Camille for letting Lisa have it. Everyone else is afraid to call her on her shit. I so appreciate that you’re not afraid of her. I think the show needs your back.

[Panda Bear]

1 hour ago, Lady of nod said:

This show is not fun to watch. Hasn't been for a couple of years now. I'm up for a little cat fight now and then but the storyline  every season is pick someone, imagine they've offended you and circle them like the pack of wolves they are and attack.

I feel like Lisa Rinna brought her soap opera training of having a storyline go on and on to this show and it's suffered ever since. I really think it would be so much better if they got rid of her. Yes, she drives story, and I'm sure the producers like that, but when it's the same story over and over again, it's incredibly tedious. (And next week we get her obnoxious children again. Great!) Get rid of Erika and Teddi, too, because they don't add anything. 

[Lady of nod]

15 minutes ago, Panda Bear said:

I feel like Lisa Rinna brought her soap opera training of having a storyline go on and on to this show and it's suffered ever since. I really think it would be so much better if they got rid of her. Yes, she drives story, and I'm sure the producers like that, but when it's the same story over and over again, it's incredibly tedious. (And next week we get her obnoxious children again. Great!) Get rid of Erika and Teddi, too, because they don't add anything. 

Great point about her soap training. She and her entitled brats need to go

[The Ringo Kidd]

52 minutes ago, Keywestclubkid said:

can you blame him if he is... to be around these harpies all the time id be popping edibles left and right to 😛 hehe

He has a new hobby. Kendra Wilkerson the ex-stripper and former Hugh Hefner girlfriend has passed her real estate license. She has joined the Agency and is serving under Maugreasio in a variety of positions.

[heatherchandler]

4 hours ago, Luckylondon said:

They asked them not to speak about sex acts in front of his daughter. To him it is simple. There is nothing to discuss. This season makes me aggy just watching it. There is no escapism. Ughhh, I think I am done with them all.

If I was Denise, I would say, "why would you want to talk about sex acts with children?"  I would assume that would end the convo.  I mean, yeah kids hear stuff, they watch tv, they overhear.  But you don't join them into the conversation!  Even if you have a "dirty mouth" like Denise.  And who cares what she talks about when away from her kids??

This argument will never end, I cannot hear about it over and over and over!

 

2 hours ago, Baltimore Betty said:

I was enjoying the house porn but considering the grand homes we have seen from Camille I was disappointed by the Malibu home, it looked small and disjointed to me.  Her friend Kimber confused me, I thought she was an "assistant," because she was pouring the drinks and did not go outside with Kyle and Camille but then she showed up as Camille's plus one, is she an actual friend or an "assistant/friend?" 

 

 

She's the NuDeeDee.  What ever happened to original DeeDee?  

 

And finally KEEP FUCKING KRIS JENNER OFF THE HOUSEWIVES!  I don't want to watch her EVER AT ALL!!!!!!

[Ohiopirate02]

12 minutes ago, Panda Bear said:

I feel like Lisa Rinna brought her soap opera training of having a storyline go on and on to this show and it's suffered ever since. I really think it would be so much better if they got rid of her. Yes, she drives story, and I'm sure the producers like that, but when it's the same story over and over again, it's incredibly tedious. (And next week we get her obnoxious children again. Great!) Get rid of Erika and Teddi, too, because they don't add anything. 

Unfortunately, Rinna is willing to do anything to be on camera so she won't  be going anywhere soon.  The producers call and ask her to stir up some shit and she comes running.  She is their ideal housewife.  

The other problem with this season and even last season is too many of the housewives have personal dramas they do not want on the show, and they do not have the ability to craft a believable storyline to make up for this.  And some like Dorit, don't have the available credit to throw any parties.  So, they plan an attack on a single housewife to drive the necessary drama while shielding their lives from the viewer.  I also think that the women get together before filming to decide what they are willing and unwilling to talk about on camera.  So any ongoing lawsuits and money problems are off the table.  The women expect the others to honor this agreement which is why they were so up in arms last year when Camille brought up Dorit's money problems.  In their minds, Camille went below the belt.  None of them really want to "own it" as it were.  The sad thing is, I think Denise is one of the ones who is truly honorable and won't bring up these issues.  The women are all turning on her to deflect and she is taking it.  I wish Denise would show up and tell the women on camera that they need to stop talking about her kids or she will start talking about Dorit's money problems, Tom's money issues and lawsuit, Mauricio's fraud case, etc.  

[eleanorofaquitaine]

2 hours ago, Keywestclubkid said:

Denise isnt saying she doesn't say these things IRL she is saying she doesn't say them to her children's face ... there is a HUGE difference .. that's like saying Erika acts one way around her friends and these woman and in public  but doesn't act that way around her husband (she does this on camera and on a show her husband can see but no one is saying oh that's fake cause your husband watches this so we can act a fool around him) ...... no one questions that or calls her fake or a hypocrite its just she has "respect" to not act that way with her husband present just the same way Denise does with her children ....  there is absolutely no difference in the two just that they are attacking one while clutching their pearls like well she doesn't act like that with us while ignoring that one of their other friends does the same thing

Well, like I said, I don't have a problem with Denise setting ground rules in her own house. But I can understand Rinna and the rest of them questioning her argument that they are just too raunchy for her to have around her daughters given what she herself has said on the show (let alone the image she has projected in her career). It does seem slightly hypocritical for her to act like her delicate ears can't handle raunchiness when she's talked about Aaron's penis. And they aren't wrong in saying she's delusional if she thinks her daughters are unaware of what she's said on the show.

All of that being said, I still don't have a problem with her saying "my house, my rules." But I think she should have approached it the same way Erika did. Don't offer an explanation, just see "this is the way I am doing it, if you don't like it, you can leave."

[Keywestclubkid]

3 minutes ago, Ohiopirate02 said:

 I wish Denise would show up and tell the women on camera that they need to stop talking about her kids or she will start talking about Dorit's money problems, Tom's money issues and lawsuit, Mauricio's fraud case, etc.  

This actually makes me respect Denise has a person even more ... no matter how hard they have been pushing her and shitting on her and slinging insults at her and even talking about her kids ..she has not gone low ... she has not slung back an insult that they don't want brought up..they insult her with she tried to get them not to use footage by addressing the camera during filming and it didn't work and hehehehe . well kyle she could have brought up your husbands shady dealings then how would you have reacted you two face snake . trust me if this was Rinna the first thing she would do is sling out something low to get the heat off her .....

[Ohiopirate02]

3 minutes ago, Keywestclubkid said:

This actually makes me respect Denise has a person even more ... no matter how hard they have been pushing her and shitting on her and slinging insults at her and even talking about her kids ..she has not gone low ... she has not slung back an insult that they don't want brought up..they insult her with she tried to get them not to use footage by addressing the camera during filming and it didn't work and hehehehe . well kyle she could have brought up your husbands shady dealings then how would you have reacted you two face snake . trust me if this was Rinna the first thing she would do is sling out something low to get the heat off her .....

I also do respect Denise for not going low.  The women have her on the ropes though, and her only options at this point are walk away or go low.  I mostly want to see her go low because I want someone to wipe the smug looks from their faces.  I need someone to go on an epic rant and take down Kyle, Lisa, Teddi and Erika.  Surprisingly, Dorit has been so low key this season that I don't really mind her.  This season is so boring.

[Keywestclubkid]

2 minutes ago, eleanorofaquitaine said:

Well, like I said, I don't have a problem with Denise setting ground rules in her own house. But I can understand Rinna and the rest of them questioning her argument that they are just too raunchy for her to have around her daughters given what she herself has said on the show (let alone the image she has projected in her career). It does seem slightly hypocritical for her to act like her delicate ears can't handle raunchiness when she's talked about Aaron's penis. And they aren't wrong in saying she's delusional if she thinks her daughters are unaware of what she's said on the show.

All of that being said, I still don't have a problem with her saying "my house, my rules." But I think she should have approached it the same way Erika did. Don't offer an explanation, just see "this is the way I am doing it, if you don't like it, you can leave."

Does she say it to her daughters face? NO!  that is the difference..... is she sitting talking to her daughter going he has a big cock? i love cock? NO do you have conversations were you talk about things that you wouldn't say in front of kids?? yes .... Erika doesn't allow language and fights and shit in front of her ADULT husband but she cusses and acts a certain way when shes not around him ( and he can watch the show just the same) and no one says jack? ... its a double standard ..... why doe they let Erika have it that way but not Denise? 

[princelina]

6 hours ago, FancyNancy said:

Why is Kimber always in the mix? Also, that was a hard looking woman that came with Brandi. 

That's because she was a guy.

2 hours ago, Baltimore Betty said:

Lisa Rinna really knows how to suck the air out of the room, what was the point of telling Camille she sucks on Twitter when she was trying to apologize? The same goes for Teddi, why does she need to be nasty to Camille, this woman has nothing to do with her life, let her apologize and move on since that is what you say you do.

Poor invisible Teddi - finally getting her own "scene" with Denise, only to get upstaged by bit-player Camille 😄 

2 hours ago, Keywestclubkid said:

From a recap of the episode that i think kinda explains it better .....Rinna thinks it’s foolhardy of Denise to think that her kids won’t watch TV and see Denise saying sexy things on the air. When talking about this with a friend, he made a very apt analogy. “It’s the difference between me as a kid finding my gay older brother’s porn stash and him being like, ‘Hey, check this out,’ and giving me the magazine when it was inappropriate.” That’s it exactly. If they discover Denise saying these things it’s different than her saying them to their face and not caring.

The thing is - I actually agree with Erika and Rinna in principle.  You can't talk about happy endings on tv, post pictures of your husbands boner, and then be concerned about what the neighbors think.  What I don't understand is why they just can't disagree?  If I had been drunk and inappropriate at Denise's house I'd just apologize and continue to think she was full of crap.

2 hours ago, Ohiopirate02 said:

Well, Kyle did say that she saw Brandi's video where she was bemoaning not having a husband.  That video tugged on Kyle's heartstrings and she reached out to a hurting Brandi to try to patch things up.  Or more likely, Kyle saw that video and felt smug being married to Maurico and can always use a friend to make herself feel better.  

She also makes Kyle look like a better mom 😄   But she said that made her realize Brandi was a good person.  Typically when someone is bawling because they've burned every bridge in their life, it's a clue that that person should do some self reflection and try to be better.

38 minutes ago, Panda Bear said:

I feel like Lisa Rinna brought her soap opera training of having a storyline go on and on to this show and it's suffered ever since. I really think it would be so much better if they got rid of her. Yes, she drives story, and I'm sure the producers like that, but when it's the same story over and over again, it's incredibly tedious. (And next week we get her obnoxious children again. Great!) Get rid of Erika and Teddi, too, because they don't add anything. 

Good point about the soap training!  Eileen did the same thing as I recall.  And Rinna's children look more obnoxious than ever next week!

13 minutes ago, heatherchandler said:

 

And finally KEEP FUCKING KRIS JENNER OFF THE HOUSEWIVES!  I don't want to watch her EVER AT ALL!!!!!!

YEAH!!!!!

Edited July 16, 2020 by princelina

[Keywestclubkid]

3 minutes ago, princelina said:

The thing is - I actually agree with Erika and Rinna in principle.  You can't talk about happy endings, post pictures of your husbands boner, and then be concerned about what the neighbors think.  What I don't understand is why they just can't disagree?  If I had been drunk and inappropriate at Denise's house I'd just apologize and continue to think she was full of crap.

 

it wasn't what the neighbors thought of her it was what was being spoken about around the neighbors kids ... her daughters friends ...In their presence ... they didn't hear it from online or see a video of them saying it they were next to them in person that is a big difference

Edited July 16, 2020 by Keywestclubkid

[princelina]

Just now, Keywestclubkid said:

it wasn't what the neighbors thought of her it was what was being spoken about around the neighbors kids ... her daughters friends ...

Who can see all of this on facebook and tv.  I'm not going to fight about this as if we were Rinna and Denise 😄   It's okay for adults to disagree.  Someone needs to inform Rinna and Erika of that.

[Keywestclubkid]

Just now, princelina said:

Who can see all of this on facebook and tv.  I'm not going to fight about this as if we were Rinna and Denise 😄   It's okay for adults to disagree.  Someone needs to inform Rinna and Erika of that.

I love it ... but if I am Rinna in this I wanna talk about Harry .... 🙂

[The Ringo Kidd]

Some people think Denise is like the Energizer Bunny because despite all the attacks she just keeps going but I don’t agree.

I think Denise is a Timex.

She takes a licking and keeps on ticking. 

[eleanorofaquitaine]

11 minutes ago, Keywestclubkid said:

Does she say it to her daughters face? NO!  that is the difference..... is she sitting talking to her daughter going he has a big cock? i love cock? NO do you have conversations were you talk about things that you wouldn't say in front of kids?? yes .... Erika doesn't allow language and fights and shit in front of her ADULT husband but she cusses and acts a certain way when shes not around him ( and he can watch the show just the same) and no one says jack? ... its a double standard ..... why doe they let Erika have it that way but not Denise? 

But they weren't saying things to her daughters' faces, either. The daughters were in ear shot (apparently) but it's not like Erika was like, "hey, Sam, let me tell you about my threesomes." Is there really a big difference between overhearing adults talk and seeing your mother say stuff like that on tv? I submit there isn't.

In short, I don't find that argument as convincing as you do.

[princelina]

8 minutes ago, Keywestclubkid said:

I love it ... but if I am Rinna in this I wanna talk about Harry .... 🙂

Are you sure?  Or will you smash a glass on me? 😄 

[Keywestclubkid]

Just now, eleanorofaquitaine said:

But they weren't saying things to her daughters' faces, either. The daughters were in ear shot (apparently) but it's not like Erika was like, "hey, Sam, let me tell you about my threesomes." Is there really a big difference between overhearing adults talk and seeing your mother say stuff like that on tv? I submit there isn't.

In short, I don't find that argument as convincing as you do.

they could over hear them.. she noticed and tried to shut it down... please guys they can hear you lets talk about this when they arnt around..... that is the difference ... she had enough respect for her guest and her friends kids to notice that they could hear the talk and tried to shut it down... the other  woman just got louder and more aggressive with the talk,.... Denise did what a responsible parent should have done and is getting shit on for it ...

2 minutes ago, princelina said:

Are you sure?  Or will you smash a glass on me? 😄 

Own it! lol 🙂

[politichick]

53 minutes ago, Panda Bear said:

I feel like Lisa Rinna brought her soap opera training of having a storyline go on and on to this show and it's suffered ever since. I really think it would be so much better if they got rid of her. Yes, she drives story, and I'm sure the producers like that, but when it's the same story over and over again, it's incredibly tedious. (And next week we get her obnoxious children again. Great!) Get rid of Erika and Teddi, too, because they don't add anything. 

You may have a point there. I loathe Rinna and her ugly clothes and fugly hairstyles and big, fat, needs to STFU mouth. Does she really think that straggly looking hair is attractive? And, why do the clothes of everyone, except Dorit, Garcelle, and Sutton, look so cheap? Kyle's clothing line is hideous. This circle the wagons around one person and attack thing all season long is boring AF. I very much miss Vanderpump.

Someone compared Camille to Aaron in terms of both being dumb. I don't think she's dumb but she sounds like she is when she's being fake and disingenuous. 

[Mar]

59 minutes ago, princelina said:

Poor invisible Teddi - finally getting her own "scene" with Denise, only to get upstaged by bit-player Camille 😄 

This has me laughing out loud and I can’t stop

[Blondie]

I love reading all the comments.  I don't bother to watch the show anymore.  Can't stand Kyle, Rinna, Teddy, Erika, Dorit, or Brandi and not a big fan of Denise. 

Hypocrites all.  When it comes to the LGBTQ community they are all show. But when it comes to a rumor creepy Brandi starts (and I say rumor cause I wouldn't trust anything she says if her tongue came notarized)  about Denise they are all over it.  Who cares!!!  It's her life.  What a shitty friend Brandi is that she can spread any stories.  She will say and do anything to stay relevant.  Why are they all so shocked and want to know all the details.  If Denise doesn't want to share that's her prerogative.  And, if it did happen what's the big deal? 

This stupidity is why I won't watch.   Messy Messy Messy

[Kdawg82]

4 hours ago, The Ringo Kidd said:

Definitions a bad mother: not having time for your daughter to help her get ready for a big party because telling people their jobs when you have an event coordinator is more important.

But she's OBSESSED with her KIDS!!!!! She's never been away from them for more than FOUR DAYS!!!! Can't you see how GOOD she is!!?? 

I hope the stylist or whoever didnt have time for Portia's hair wasn't the same person who was responsible for Kyle's high ponytail (however long *that* "style" took)...ragamuffin. 🙄

[Blondie]

Oh, and did I mention:  Brandi is a nasty has been.  Nobody cares.
Rinna is a thirsty trashy witch.  She'll do anything for a buck including throwing her friends under the nearest bus, and exploiting her daughters.
Kyle is  so jealous of anyone getting the spotlight besides her.  Another washed up child actress with no discernible skills.  She holds a grudge like no other.
Teddi is dumb as a box of rocks latching on to any popular girl cause she has no personality
Dorit is a poser
Erika is a cold, soulless shell of a woman with an inflated ego and no talent who has to play dress up to feel good about herself.

[eleanorofaquitaine]

1 hour ago, Keywestclubkid said:

they could over hear them.. she noticed and tried to shut it down... please guys they can hear you lets talk about this when they arnt around..... that is the difference ... she had enough respect for her guest and her friends kids to notice that they could hear the talk and tried to shut it down... the other  woman just got louder and more aggressive with the talk,.... Denise did what a responsible parent should have done and is getting shit on for it ...

Own it! lol 🙂

Right. And on this point, we agree. I don't have any problem with her wanting to shut it down. Her house, her rules. No problem there. But that's different from the argument that "well, she doesn't say raunchy things directly to her kids, therefore no one can say anything raunchy near her kids because even though she does say raunchy things, they are on tv, and not directly to her kids."  I just don't think that is a persuasive argument.

Ultimately, where we are disagreeing is whether or not Rinna and the rest of them have any reason to feel slightly offended by Denise's reaction. I can understand their argument and I don't think that they are wrong to feel slightly offended. But I also think that they should have stopped talking about threesomes when she asked them to, and also, I think that this is absolutely not the kind of argument that needs to happen over several different events, as it has. So they are being over the top in their reactions, too. But that doesn't mean I think their argument is illegitimate.  

And I do 100 percent agree with all of them about Aaron. He should stay out of this, and Denise should be smart enough to not bring him in as reinforcement. That never goes over well on these show and all it has succeeded in doing is making him look like an alpha male asshole. 

[ezzy4]

"Harsh, but I think Camille and Aaron aren't at the same intellectual level as the rest.  They can't keep up and it makes their exchanges with the others draining, if not a bit sad."

(Ug...sorry...can't seem to link this to give proper credit to OP)

YEP.  And add Teddi to this too.  

There is just no spontaneity with these people.  They can't seem to keep up and throw back.  They lack entertainment value.

I'm amazed at all the Denise love on this thread.  The girl irritates the HELL outa me.  She's all talk about being down to earth and unflappable, but all her actions are the opposite.  

I mean her constant talk of her celebrity marriage, being followed by cars, needing to avoid the paparazzi, and "I'm f*cking Denise Richards" is at odds with her simple, down home image she is trying to sell.  And she's constantly causing a scene stomping out while she claiming to not to be upset.

Looks like she's gonna be ramping it up further next week.

Her duplicity is exhausting to watch.  And ger hubby seems dumb as rocks.

[Kdawg82]

LMAO!!! Dorit's smile when she bid and "won" the $15,000 item. OmG. She had to plaster that smile on bc she was *that* shocked she wasn't outbid and now she needs to figure out where she's going to get the excess 15k from. LoL! 

P.K. outside trying to gaslight advise lecture talk to Aaron. 

Unlopular opinion: Aaron is being made such a big deal out of. I find him calm and unflappable.  I envy that unflappable quality.  Never did he raise a voice to the women. He said he & Denise wish to be respected in their home- their point was stated- please move on. When the women kept on & on and played the victim role that they're being "mom shamed" he asked simply If they're happy with themselves.  He was not combative.  He answers things matter of factly "ok. Good for you. That's how you feel. Ok then." He speaks only when spoken to for thr most part. Where is this bully of a man getting involved in their argument bc I don't see it?? And he's not Denise's "weapon." She handles herself very well. He happens to have a new wife that he wishes to spend time with. The other husbands are pretending to have better things to do or have "business" someplace.  You KNOW  P.K. is home on the couch eating cheeseballs. They likely coordinated It to SEEM like Aaron is the only one by his wife's side to get in "howives" business. Puh-lease! Maybe they're jealous their husbands don't want to even be bothered with them. Usually howives shows are a way for the men to get peace from the wives while they prepare the divorces or take lovers off camera and it fills the howives pockets a little bit as a bonus.  

 

[StatisticalOutlier]

16 hours ago, LibertarianSlut said:

Eileen didn’t look quite as drop dead as I’m used to her being, but this is what it looks like to rock sixty.  Everyone else, take note!

I thought she looked awful.  I actually didn't recognize her.

I don't think women of a certain age (I'm older than she is) should be limited to only certain hairstyles, but hair hanging straight down like that really dragged down her face.  It was a lovely look on a young Michelle Phillips, but much trickier when faces get lumpy and drawn.

 

14 hours ago, 65mickey said:

Eileen's hair looked weird. It was not brunette but some odd shade of taupe.

Yeah, when she said "brunette," I thought, "What??"  Taupe is right. 

 

14 hours ago, bichonblitz said:

Garcelle is a beautiful woman but doesn't fit in on a Housewives show. I could care less about her business meetings or her latest projects.

I thought it was uncomfortably cruel to show that director's pitch, especially edited the way they did.