"The View": Week of 3/2/2020

[Cementhead]

If Lizzy is going to be the new Abby ..... Lizzy + McCain =

 

[MeThinkMeNot]

I'd like to see Elizabeth and Meghan together, just to see what happens. Will Elizabeth look at Meghan and be like "Damn, this girl is even crazier than me?" or will they be what Meghan wanted Abby to be like?

[Cementhead]

And cripes Meghan, take a fucking breath.  Slow the hell down.  The way she speaks is like a nail gun spitting out nails. 

[lusinia]

49 minutes ago, Cementhead said:

Lizzy is guest co-hosting next week?  I can't wait to miss it!  Oh and McCain will give up her Conservative Chair for her.  🙄

Meghan has to insert herself into every story.

I wonder why Yang's not guest-hosting anymore?  I was looking forward to it.

Meghan's saying "we" could lose the House and Senate?  Has she switched sides?

Added - I see Yang is on Thursday now.

Edited March 3, 2020 by lusinia

[Pearson80]

What a shocker, the Bernie bashing continues today. 

Edited March 3, 2020 by Pearson80

[MeThinkMeNot]

Whoopi still doesn't seem to understand the difference between a Senator and a Governor. It's sad no on explained it to her the lat time she made this statement about Bernie.

[TheGreenKnight]

2 hours ago, Cementhead said:

Lizzy is guest co-hosting next week?  I can't wait to miss it!  Oh and McCain will give up her Conservative Chair for her.  🙄

I wish she would. Bring Elisabeth back and dump Messy for good.

[Cementhead]

4 minutes ago, MeThinkMeNot said:

Whoopi still doesn't seem to understand the difference between a Senator and a Governor. It's sad no on explained it to her the lat time she made this statement about Bernie.  anything.

True.  And this is also true. 

[Pearson80]

3 minutes ago, MeThinkMeNot said:

Whoopi still doesn't seem to understand the difference between a Senator and a Governor. It's sad no on explained it to her the lat time she made this statement about Bernie.

Whoopie does not understand insurance and taxes either.

[Cementhead]

3 minutes ago, Pearson80 said:

Whoopie does not understand insurance and taxes either.

Or bike lanes.  And teleprompters most days. 

[TheGreenKnight]

I agree with McCain on Chris Matthews. I wasn't even a fan of his, only saw him when I'd watch coverage of other things and all the various hosts would be there, but for an employee who works some place a decade or more, they deserve better treatment out the door than that.* I don't blame him for being emotional when he was essentially fired and not even given a year's notice or anything.

* I give ABC credit here for having given Barbara a final year of fanfare, for example.

[Cementhead]

Of course Meghan knows all the deets and stuff about The Bachelor.  Shocker. 

[Haleth]

Second day in a row I’ve been really bored with everything they have to say. 

[Pearson80]

 Everything Joy said about Chris Matthews was on point.  Was anybody surprise that Whoopie was excusing Chris' insensitive comments, what is it about Whoopie when it comes to defending men at all cost. I would love to see her defend a woman, just once.. 

[GHScorpiosRule]

12 minutes ago, TheGreenKnight said:

I agree with McCain on Chris Matthews. I wasn't even a fan of his, only saw him when I'd watch coverage of other things and all the various hosts would be there, but for an employee who works some place a decade or more, they deserve better treatment out the door than that.* I don't blame him for being emotional when he was essentially fired and not even given a year's notice or anything.

* I give ABC credit here for having given Barbara a final year of fanfare, for example.

I can't say I was a fan, but I did catch his shows sporadically; yes, he could be boorish, constantly an interrupterer, and an asshole. but. When I used to work at Barnes & Noble, about, damn, 15 years ago(!), Chris appeared for a book signing. He was personable, funny and answered EVERYONE's questions. My sister was a fan. She actually showed up for that signing and asked questions. I worked briefly for his wife as an intern at the local WJLA when I was in college. One of the nicest people I've ever met. All that said is to explain why I'm conflicted about Chris' "retirement." There are shades, so many shades.

Edited March 3, 2020 by GHScorpiosRule

[Vanderboom]

11 minutes ago, Cementhead said:

Or bike lanes.  And teleprompters most days. 

This stuff bothers me the most, and it's not just Whoopi. The clumsy section breaks, topic introductions, and segues just make for a distracted, disjointed viewing experience. Don't get me started on producer earbud shenanigans. Every day looks like it's the first time they've done this.

[Pearson80]

8 minutes ago, GHScorpiosRule said:

I can't say I was a fan, but I did catch his shows sporadically; yes, he could be boorish, constantly an interrupterer, and an asshole. but. When I used to work at Barnes & Noble, about, damn, 15 years ago(!), Chris appeared for a book signing. He was personable, funny and answered EVERYONE's questions. My sister was a fan. She actually showed up for that signing and asked questions. I worked briefly for his wife as an intern at the local WJLA when I was in college. One of the nicest people I've ever met. All that said is to explain why I'm conflicted about Chris' "retirement." There are shades, so many shades.

Yes, there are shades.  Chris can be insightful and knowledgeable about politics. His idealism, passion and love for the USA was never in doubt. I wish things could have worked out differently...

Edited March 3, 2020 by Pearson80

[lusinia]

I happened to turn on Hardball after I read on a thread that it was Chris Matthews last show.  It was about 5 minutes after the hour and they were in a commercial break.  When they came back, Steve Kornacki was on, and you could tell he was gobsmacked and at a loss for words.  They actually went to another commercial break just a few minutes later, probably to give him a chance to compose himself.  He had no idea this was about to happen.  I felt so badly for him.

Because this was clearly unscheduled, even an hour ahead of time, someone speculated online that Chris didn't tell anyone he was going to get up and leave right after his announcement.  Sort of going out guns blazing, similar to what Star Jones did when she was "let go".

Meghan got at least two things wrong during the segment.  The journalist who revealed over the weekend that Matthews made sexist comments to her a few years ago is Laura Bassett, not Bissette, not a hard name to get right (and she was reading it off of her blue card!)

Also, Brian Williams didn't claim to have had "military service".  He was embedded with some troops and claimed he was in danger when he wasn't, and he did receive some pretty significant punishment.

 

  

Edited March 3, 2020 by lusinia

[blondiec0332]

Do I think Chris Matthews is a toxic male? No. Do I think he has said things that were inappropriate and offensive over the years? Absolutely. And nowadays that isn't acceptable.  I only wish all men were held to same accountability.

[rickhurst3186]

Dan Abrams is an idiot.

[buttersister]

A senator's daughter and a reality show contestant opining on the issues of the day? I'm old enough to have had bigger/better expectations for 2020. LOL!

[gatopretoNYC]

1 hour ago, Cementhead said:

Lizzy is guest co-hosting next week?  I can't wait to miss it!  Oh and McCain will give up her Conservative Chair for her.  🙄

*Lizzy being Hasselbeck.  According to Whoopi, that's what we're calling her these days. 

Dear God no! Nooooooooo!!!!! 

[Aileen]

My favorite moment was Dan Abrams' quick scoff and eye roll when McCain said that one of the reasons why she likes Live PD is that it is so "random" that "Lana Del Rey's boyfriend" is on the show. They've been dating 6 months...he's been on the show since 2016.

[ThePurpleArcher]

On 3/2/2020 at 3:33 PM, TheGreenKnight said:

Sorry, but it's clear we disagree on many things and there's nothing I can do about that. Sunny isn't pro-choice either, btw. I don't think she's full-blown homophobic, but it's very obvious she is not comfortable with it and probably would say so more if she wasn't afraid of being #cancelled. She's pro-diversity when it comes to seeing herself represented via black women and/or fellow prosecutors like Hillary, Kamala, and Stacey Abrams as president or vice-president, but when it's a gay man onstage, it's another story.

Keep in mind Sunny has always identified herself as a 'devout Catholic', so it should surprise no one that these would be her beliefs on pro-choice and homosexuality. I'm certainly not giving her a pass, but I need to point out that if you're a devout Catholic and follow the teachings of the church to the letter, then this is what you believe. 

Which makes me wonder - why was she referring to 'her church' as a 'black church' over the Bloomberg segment ? I don't know of any Catholic church which separates their parishioners on the basis of race, which means I've never heard anyone refer to any Catholic church as a 'black church'.  Really not sure where she was going with this one.

Also, she said her church talks about politics 'all the time'. I wonder if her church pays taxes then ? One thing we have in this country is 'separation of church and state' - which is supposed to mean 'no political talk' , otherwise you will no longer be tax-exempt. (Plenty of Catholic churches in my diocese has gotten into a lot of trouble over the years). Which Catholic church is she talking about ? Maybe the state of NY should look into it, and do a little investigating, because her church may owe them a whole lot of money....

[lusinia]

Whenever and however Meghan exits The View, she will not go on to have the career that she so clearly thinks she's meant for.  Nicolle already has that job, and she knocks it out of the park every day.

[ThePurpleArcher]

The way Meghan likes to adamantly say "I hate Bloomberg!" and "I hate Steyer!" - one of them should ask her how she feels about Sarah Palin. She's never really said a word.

[Pearson80]

24 minutes ago, ThePurpleArcher said:

Keep in mind Sunny has always identified herself as a 'devout Catholic', so it should surprise no one that these would be her beliefs on pro-choice and homosexuality. I'm certainly not giving her a pass, but I need to point out that if you're a devout Catholic and follow the teachings of the church to the letter, then this is what you believe. 

Which makes me wonder - why was she referring to 'her church' as a 'black church' over the Bloomberg segment ? I don't know of any Catholic church which separates their parishioners on the basis of race, which means I've never heard anyone refer to any Catholic church as a 'black church'.  Really not sure where she was going with this one.

Also, she said her church talks about politics 'all the time'. I wonder if her church pays taxes then ? One thing we have in this country is 'separation of church and state' - which is supposed to mean 'no political talk' , otherwise you will no longer be tax-exempt. (Plenty of Catholic churches in my diocese has gotten into a lot of trouble over the years). Which Catholic church is she talking about ? Maybe the state of NY should look into it, and do a little investigating, because her church may owe them a whole lot of money....

I am a Black Catholic and I used to go to a mostly Black Catholic church, so we do exist. 

I don't understand why people are accusing Sunny of being homophobic just because she is a devout Catholic. The Catholic church is against homosexuality but I believe that people are free to decide for themselves how they feel on the subject, the same for Abortion and the use of birth control.  I believe Sunny has done that for herself. Perhaps Sunny is a Catholic of the Jesuit order who were always called the social justice wing of the Catholic church and they were often derided as socialists by their detractors. The Pope is a Jesuit priest by the way.. Jesuit priests in my experience have always encouraged free thinking and tolerance of those who are different from you, compassion and love for the least of us..

[bannana]

I am a Hardball fan and a fan of Chris Matthews.  He is definitely of that era where men thought it was okay to comment on a woman's appearance, her clothes, etc.  I don't see him as a predator and if every man who said inappropriate things to a woman was fired, well, there wouldn't be too many left.  I just think they could have ended his time there more appropriately.  I suspect what happened is that they told him he had to go and he chose to not play the "retirement" game (a la Star).  He brought his wife and adult children to the set for his few minutes of saying goodbye and apologizing.

I am glad that men are being called out for this behaviour, but I didn't see him speak inappropriately to women on air (as opposed to men).  He was very encouraging and complimentary of younger journalists and reporters that he featured.  Maybe he was  more inappropriate BTS.

What bothered me was Joy's comments (and I generally like Joy).  She quoted something he said to Laura Ingraham about being God's gift to men.  IMO that is an inappropriate thing for him to say to a fellow colleague.  But then Joy says:  Laura Ingraham, first of all, come on, and rolls her eyes.  She dissed her in the process of relating what Chris said!  🙃

I had so many inappropriate comments made to me when I was mostly the only woman in a business dominated at that time by men.  It wasn't great and I am glad it is changing.  

https://www.mediaite.com/tv/shut-up-chris-joy-behar-lambasts-chris-matthews-for-alleged-sexism-meghan-mccain-defends-msnbc-host/

Edited March 3, 2020 by bannana
Chris, not Christ!

[ThePurpleArcher]

2 hours ago, Pearson80 said:

I am a Black Catholic and I used to go to a mostly Black Catholic church, so we do exist. 

I don't understand why people are accusing Sunny of being homophobic just because she is a devout Catholic. The Catholic church is against homosexuality but I believe that people are free to decide for themselves how they feel on the subject, the same for Abortion and the use of birth control.  I believe Sunny has done that for herself. Perhaps Sunny is a Catholic of the Jesuit order who were always called the social justice wing of the Catholic church and they were often derided as socialists by their detractors. The Pope is a Jesuit priest by the way.. Jesuit priests in my experience have always encouraged free thinking and tolerance of those who are different from you, compassion and love for the least of us..

Interesting to hear there are 'mostly black Catholic churches' in America. I'm in the northeast, attended many Catholic churches in my state and nearby states and New York City - not once have I ever come across a Catholic Church with mostly one race or another. It's always been mixed races which make up each parish.

As far as Sunny, she herself has said that she's pro-life because she's a 'devout Catholic' and was brought up that way in the Church. I'm sure her religion dictates her beliefs on sexuality, too - as she has said repeatedly her religion has shaped many aspects of her life (including her marriage). Sure, she has freedom of thought - but it appears she'd rather follow Catholicism influence those thoughts. As a Catholic, I'm sure you realize there are more orders than just Jesuits - some which are very strict. We don't know which order Sunny's church follows. She could follow OCSO, for all we know. 

Edited March 4, 2020 by ThePurpleArcher

[jumper sage]

5 hours ago, lusinia said:

Whenever and however Meghan exits The View, she will not go on to have the career that she so clearly thinks she's meant for.  Nicolle already has that job, and she knocks it out of the park every day.

MM thinks she is some superstar but people like Nicolle are really superstars.  Apples/oranges.

Monday I turned on the show and OMG everyone was in agreement. 😲

[OpalNightstream]

It was so refreshing to have a show today that wasn’t ALL politics. I especially liked how Sunny seems to light up when Dan Abrams is on.  She clearly sees him as an intellectual peer and has respect for him. I like their vibe.

[maggiemae]

How Sunny's religious life affects her life is tempered as an attorney and believer in the bill of Rights, imo. She has mentioned that on the show.

[bannana]

MeAgain, referring to Hardball:  It was one of the few things I could still watch on MSNBC.

I guess she doesn't watch Nicolle's show ❄️

[Tunia]

15 hours ago, Cementhead said:

*Lizzy being Hasselbeck.  According to Whoopi, that's what we're calling her these days. 

She'll always be "Bitsy" to me.  <giggle>

[OpalNightstream]

4 hours ago, Tunia said:

She'll always be "Bitsy" to me.  <giggle>

She used to annoy me with her screeching and daily need to tell us she had THREE kids! Like it was a record amount of children. Let’s see how many times she’ll remind us because no one else has ever had that totally insane amount of kids. 🙄

[lookeyloo]

16 minutes ago, OpalNightstream said:

She used to annoy me with her screeching and daily need to tell us she had THREE kids! Like it was a record amount of children. Let’s see how many times she’ll remind us because no one else has ever had that totally insane amount of kids. 🙄

She will bring her bible with a zillion post it notes marking things and her remarks will include references. That’s my story and I’m sticking to it

[Cementhead]

2 hours ago, OpalNightstream said:

She used to annoy me with her screeching and daily need to tell us she had THREE kids! Like it was a record amount of children. Let’s see how many times she’ll remind us because no one else has ever had that totally insane amount of kids. 🙄

 

2 hours ago, lookeyloo said:

She will bring her bible with a zillion post it notes marking things and her remarks will include references. That’s my story and I’m sticking to it

I predict she will also be very blonde and very tanned.  Because some things never change. 

[Sam Spayaid]

23 hours ago, JayD83 said:

hope to HELL this doesn't mean they are trying to woo her back.  I remember her saying they tried before they hired MM.  I swear, if she's back, I'M OUT!

And I'll be right behind you!!!

Mags is painful enough but "Lizzie?!!!!!" Nope. My blood pressure couldn't take it. 

23 hours ago, Vanderboom said:

The clumsy section breaks, topic introductions, and segues just make for a distracted, disjointed viewing experience. Don't get me started on producer earbud shenanigans. Every day looks like it's the first time they've done this.

Amen. Some days, it looks shockingly like Amateur Hour, instead of a long-running show on a MAJOR NETWORK.

Again, I ask, WTF are they thinking with Lizzie..of all people?!!! Hassellbeck is what made me bail before! The only sliver of happiness I would possibly get from her shrill presence would be seeing her and Mags go at it. The View stage would become Thunderdome and at the end of it all? Nothing but some hair extensions and two NRA membership cards would remain.

[GoldenGirl90]

Biden proved himself to be 2020’s Comeback Kid and now he has Bloomberg’s team and money behind him. 
 

Sunny is so right. You can’t win the Dem nomination without African-Americans and last night they overwhelmingly rejected Bernie. 

[Haleth]

Whoopi, Dr Jill Biden is not a “hell of a doctor.”  She is not a physician. 🙄

Incidentally, my son who lives in CA said lines were out the door to register Dem so as to vote in the primary. People are riled up. 

Edited March 4, 2020 by Haleth

[MeThinkMeNot]

Joy saying that the black vote saved white people's butts again seems like a weird thing to say, when she said that she loves everyone in the Democratic race.... Once again showing just how much this show hates Bernie.

Meghan obsession with Ilhan Omar is spiteful at this point. You know that she hates Ilhan and hates her even more since Seth Meyers politely asked defended her.

 

[Axie]

OMG, Whoopie!  Jill Biden has a doctorate of education!  She may be a hell of an educator, but, she’s not a hell of a physician.

Speaking of Whoopie, is she ever going to take that wig off?

Edited March 4, 2020 by Axie

[Cementhead]

Whoopi's complete and utter incompetence is starting to offend me even more so than that bitch on the end in the red dress.  Come on, Whoopi, I mean, really!!  Try and keep up.  She needs to really go bye bye. 

[TheGreenKnight]

2 hours ago, Sam Spayaid said:

And I'll be right behind you!!!

Mags is painful enough but "Lizzie?!!!!!" Nope. My blood pressure couldn't take it. 

I would definitely quit if they were both there at the same time. But I'd be very happy if Elisabeth was McCain's replacement!

[Coffeewinewater]

2 hours ago, Haleth said:

Whoopi, Dr Jill Biden is not a “hell of a doctor. She is not a physician. 🙄

😁 Joy: she's a Dr?

Whoopi: yes she's a helluva Dr.

😂 this alone was worth watching today. 

Edited March 4, 2020 by Coffeewinewater
WG didn't say brilliant

[lusinia]

Whoopie has outdone herself with her most ignorant statement ever.  Dr. Jill Biden IS NOT A DOCTOR!  Surely Whoopie knows "Dr." doesn't always mean M.D.   And that Jill has taught at a community college for years. The others were trying to gently "suggest" she was wrong; they were probably taken aback at the ridiculousness of that remark.

At first I thought Whoopie might be talking about the ABC doctor they had on the show last week, since she was looking at Jonathan Karl when she was saying this, and I assume he knows her, and I was like, "Is her name Jill"?  Lol.

Edited March 4, 2020 by lusinia

[blondiec0332]

9 minutes ago, Haleth said:

Whoopi, Dr Jill Biden is not a “hell of a doctor.”  She is not a physician. 🙄

 

5 minutes ago, Axie said:

OMG, Whoopie!  Jill Biden has a doctorate of education!  She may be a hell of an educator, but, she’s not a hell of a physician.

Did anyone correct her? Because if not there is no excuse for that.

[Vanderboom]

25 minutes ago, MeThinkMeNot said:

Meghan obsession with Ilhan Omar is spiteful at this point. You know that she hates Ilhan and hates her even more since Seth Meyers politely asked defended her.

I know, right? Omar also represents one district in Minnesota and Klobuchar, as a senator, represents the entire state. It doesn't make sense to compare their ability to "deliver" all of Minnesota to their preferred candidates, so why is Meghan making a bid deal about it? You know the poem "The Road Not Taken"? It's as if at every juncture Meghan chooses to take the Asshole Road. She could have just kept it relevant, but no.

 

Okay, and Wtf, Whoopi? Redirecting Donna Brazile's discussion to complain about hand sanitizer price gouging? At least Whoopi acknowledged that she's crazier than usual today.

Edited March 4, 2020 by Vanderboom

[Coffeewinewater]

2 minutes ago, blondiec0332 said:

 

Did anyone correct her? Because if not there is no excuse for that.

Yes, very very gently 😁

[Haleth]

1 minute ago, blondiec0332 said:

 

Did anyone correct her? Because if not there is no excuse for that.

Yes, but after the commercial she did her usual “don’t text me because I don’t care” thing.

I don’t know why the panel is surprised Warren lost MA. Voters know she’s not going to last so why waste the vote?