Episode Discussion II: The TFGH

[Blackie]

2 hours ago, Desperado said:

rner.

Didn’t Heather go back out “hooking” on the night of Britt’s death after talking to Ryan?

 

Heather the Hooker said she had to wait until the next time the "friendly " guard was on duty.

 

51 minutes ago, Katy M said:

Pretending to have amnesia doesn't benefit her at all as far as I can tell.

The only reason I think she may be faking  is so that they send her to Shadybrook for treatment so she can get close to Ryan for further instruction. Or maybe she is going to try to get to Ryan through Kevin. But mostly at this time I think she is not faking.

[perkie1968]

3 hours ago, PatsyandEddie said:

Liz bringing  back the snark with Nic

Nik  I can't go to jail.  There will be no one to raise my baby

Liz  What about Uncle Victor.  He seems to love having extra Cassadines to mould

[Katy M]

49 minutes ago, nilyank said:

Since I still don't think that Nelle is dead since we never saw Chase identify the body, I expect her to be the secret donor. 

I don't think she's dead either, but if she's presumed dead, I don't see how she could be available to be a donor.

[One Tough Cookie]

On 1/5/2023 at 3:07 PM, Kitty Redstone said:

.  Maybe whenever the writers get back to finding Lucy that will happen

Actually,even tho I am a sporadic watcher, I've suspected Lucy was the hook

[statsgirl]

6 hours ago, Katy M said:

Why did Liesl box up private medical records? 

So that they could tease us with the reveal. All my doctors access my records digitally. It's been a long time since I've seen printed results and then it was for a doctor nearing retirement.

9 hours ago, ffwbe said:

And I’m still annoyed that Joss only needed to be saved because the moron ditched her guard. She has some very real responsibility in what happened to Britt but I’m sure she doesn’t give a damn. 

There's a reason that she's one of the Carlys

[MsMalin]

Changed my mind

Edited January 8, 2023 by MsMalin

[mbluecpa]

On 1/6/2023 at 4:42 PM, Peppermint Patty said:

Ooh, you mean he didn’t have that blank look on his face? I’m shocked he has more than one facial expression, especially since he seems to be modeled after SB. 

I think we’re getting there.  I’ve noticed the actor has a go-to facial expression where he tightens his jaw to look threatening, angry, or serious.

I really enjoyed the casual-ness with which Leisl was going to take care of Esme.  Of course, the old soap trope of “more monologue, less do” came into play.  

Happy that the Esme pregnancy story has come out as for a while, I felt like I needed a cheat sheet to keep track of who knew what.

[jsbt]

54 minutes ago, mbluecpa said:

I really enjoyed the casual-ness with which Leisl was going to take care of Esme.  Of course, the old soap trope of “more monologue, less do” came into play.  

As little patience as I have for Obrecht being normalized, I did laugh at her casually telling Nina 'one moment' and reaching for the pillow to suffocate Esme.

[sunnyface]

On 1/5/2023 at 10:47 AM, standbyme said:

And of course she was dishonest with him, and told him nothing about her cheating or her now being with Dex. 

Color me tickled, when Carly suggested that Joss/Dex should have remained at the murder scene at the pier.  And yet once again, that lightening failed to strike Carly Jr., when junior shrugged away her answer that Dex was carrying an illegal firearm.  But bad Sonny. 

Really enjoying the liveliness of nuHeather.  TBH, it's the first time that I have enjoyed watching Ryan.

[dubbel zout]

40 minutes ago, jsbt said:

1 hour ago, mbluecpa said:

I really enjoyed the casual-ness with which Leisl was going to take care of Esme.  Of course, the old soap trope of “more monologue, less do” came into play.  

As little patience as I have for Obrecht being normalized, I did laugh at her casually telling Nina 'one moment' and reaching for the pillow to suffocate Esme.

Liesl has always been casual about murdering someone, heh.

[Pingaponga]

Can Willow get a bone marrow transplant while pregnant? I'd assume not, so she'd have to wait until after the baby is born.

My guess is that Britt was the match, but the donor is a number so they don't yet know that the match has died. That way, we get to see the hope and then the deflation when the truth comes out.

[statsgirl]

1 hour ago, Pingaponga said:

My guess is that Britt was the match, but the donor is a number so they don't yet know that the match has died.

I like it. And it could also lead to Nina as Britt's cousin might be a match.  Too much to hope that Drewfus would connect the dots though.

[Kim0820]

On 1/5/2023 at 9:25 PM, jsbt said:

Sure, but it can be six of one, half a dozen of the other. Plenty of young stars on soaps have made that call but the show has worked with it, be they on contract or off, to continue to give them A-story as leads. I believe they did it with Kimberly McCullough for awhile. If the character and performer is a priority it can work.

I remember; it was a summer job for a few years.  She and the character were at college all year and she was back each summer to play Robin's summer in PC.  

[perkie1968]

My pvr for Thursdays says:  Cody and Sasha find common ground. 

I  mean, WTF?  They brought the disgusting trashy hobo for Britt but now they're going to move him onto Sasha??  I'm not a fan of Sasha, but come on.  She doesn't need to be saddled with the hobo.  

[YaddaYadda]

1 hour ago, perkie1968 said:

My pvr for Thursdays says:  Cody and Sasha find common ground. 

I  mean, WTF?  They brought the disgusting trashy hobo for Britt but now they're going to move him onto Sasha??  I'm not a fan of Sasha, but come on.  She doesn't need to be saddled with the hobo.  

Maybe it's about Brando's garage. Sasha told Sonny that she was selling it, IIRC.

But Cody needs to go away. Talk about creating a completely useless character.

[ffwbe]

3 hours ago, perkie1968 said:

My pvr for Thursdays says:  Cody and Sasha find common ground. 

I  mean, WTF?  They brought the disgusting trashy hobo for Britt but now they're going to move him onto Sasha??  I'm not a fan of Sasha, but come on.  She doesn't need to be saddled with the hobo.  

Sasha and Chase would make infinitely more sense. I don’t get why they’re trying to make Cody happen. The actor is a dud, I don’t find him attractive, and the character is a loser. Hasn’t Sasha suffered enough? She’s been in almost constant misery for 3 years and it seems like they are also setting up Gladys gambling away Sasha’s money. 

I’m sure they’ll make it seem like Britt was Cody’s great love so he and Sasha can bond over losing someone to the hook killer. Never mind that they weren’t even dating and Brando and Britt won’t end up with the same killer. 

[YaddaYadda]

56 minutes ago, ffwbe said:

I’m sure they’ll make it seem like Britt was Cody’s great love so he and Sasha can bond over losing someone to the hook killer. Never mind that they weren’t even dating and Brando and Britt won’t end up with the same killer. 

Like honestly, it's not even the same thing at all if the writers decide to go there. It was enough that poor Felicia had to trek all the way to the nice horse house to tell him about Britt. 

Every time I think about Cody, I have this image of him being in a stockade pelted by rotted vegetables. It's medieval, but it makes me smile.

ETA - If Britt was a donor and she was a match for Willow, then wouldn't the death by poison nullify that since it will have gone in her blood stream and organs?

Edited January 9, 2023 by YaddaYadda

[dubbel zout]

1 hour ago, YaddaYadda said:

the nice horse house

That reminds me: Cody lives upstairs, right? So Michael and Willow barging in because she was cold was pretty rude. Typical for a Carly, though.

1 hour ago, YaddaYadda said:

ETA - If Britt was a donor and she was a match for Willow, then wouldn't the death by poison nullify that since it will have gone in her blood stream and organs?

I was curious if you had to be alive to donate bone marrow, and you don't:

Quote

Bone marrow procurement from deceased donors can be routinely performed at the same time as organ and tissue procurement. With deceased donors, bone marrow may be procured directly from the bones rather than the iliac crest or sternum. The pain and/or discomfort experienced by living bone marrow donors is non-existent.

Besides the poison, I think Britt having Huntington's disease would disqualify her as a donor. Not that this fakakta show cares about accuracy.

(ETA: At first I misread that last sentence as pain and/or discomfort experiences by dead donors is nonexistent, and I thought, No duh. Hee.)

Edited January 9, 2023 by dubbel zout

[sashabear21]

I came off the barge for a bit because I had a lot of time off for the holidays and there's only so much you can clean in an apartment.  I really liked Laura and Ava's scenes, honestly I just like when they allow Laura to do anything. I also like that she's allowed to have nice things said about her, like when Spencer said she was the most consistent person in his life. Years ago that would have been an intro to slobber all over Sonny, "My mother died the day I was born and my father's been inconsistent, but MY UNCLE SONNY IS THE BESTEST UNCLE WHO EVER UNCLED!!!". Also Spencer, you seem pretty awesome in your adult role, but no one is sorry about your mother, she was dumb, she liked snow globes, and as far as I can recall she killed a cop and everyone still thinks your good buddy Cam's dad killed that cop (#justice4Zander). I actually don't mind Sonny with Nina, he seems a little more subdued although the hypocrisy still runs deep what with him punching Nik for something he himself has done.  Good thing Sonny didn't hook up with her when Michelle Stafford was in the role though because the flailing jazzhands from both actors would probably injure several innocent cameramen! I don't really care about Brad or Maxie so their reactions to Britt's death fell flat and had some terrible acting to boot.  I know in Soaplandia that happy couples=boring but Sam and Dante are boring don't even seem happy. And is Dante just now having a crisis of conscience between his job and Sonny? That speech was about a decade too late. LOL forever at Carly Jr. thinking she can get into med school.  

[statsgirl]

Willow to Michael: "I couldn't have done any of this without you."  (Good thing many of us could do it on our own without the support of Michael and Carly.)

Willow sounds just awful being impatient to see Terry while she's overwhelmed with the results of Britt's death not to mention the shock of it.

Michael, it's not that Sonny can't stand being around your mom because she sees him for what he is, it's that your mom doesn't want to be around him because her ego was hurt and she's got puppy Drewfus now.

Interesting twist if Sonny figures out that Willow has cancer from the lab report, not that I care about any of them. Who know Sonny could read lab reports?

Nina and Ava talking about their friendship and what they have lost was sweet.

Alexis: Sam was taken away from me by my father and I won't help another Cassadine take a child away from its mother.  (Also, Kristina was taken away by the court in that awful butler storyline, and Rick tried to get custody of Molly. Alexis really hasn't had luck with keeping her children.)

Nik telling Alexis that he must keep the baby away from Esme to protect it is unpleasantly reminiscent of Michael determined to take the baby away from Nelle.

Why do people want to live on Wyndermere? It's an island, you can't jsut drive home and go inside.

 

 

 

[Desperado]

I hadn’t seen MB and CS in a scene before. I liked it. Victor being threatened by Sonny was funny and I think CS thought so too, from his facial reaction. 😂 MB seemed to up his game for the encounter as well.

They’re really selling Nik up the river with everyone reading him the riot act. I enjoyed that immensely. I can see the character ending up in jail for a while, until a possible recast.

I don’t get why Ava wants Wyndemere so much. What a costly albatros. Cold hard cash Ava, and/or diamonds, are way better.

And it’s my turn say how ridiculous it is for hospital records to be handed to the family for them to look at. A records specialist would look at them, then return personal items to the family, not the other way around.

Ah, that show!

”Do you know, how condescending you sound?” 🤣 It’s nice to see MEK back in a story instead of crying over Lucy and the scene pairing w/ AP is interesting. Esme needs better people around her.

Michael and Willow crushingly disappointed after getting their hopes up?
Today was a good show.

[ffwbe]

This cancer storyline is beyond insulting. Willow has been so callous with her own life and treatment at every turn and we already know she isn’t going to die. Even today before finding out the marrow donor fell through, she was unsure about the donation because she didn’t want to give birth early. Girl, you have stage 4 cancer. I swear she’s really too stupid to live. 

[dubbel zout]

14 minutes ago, Desperado said:

Michael and Willow crushingly disappointed after getting their hopes up?

Couldn't happen to a more deserving couple. I was so waiting for this.

LOL at Alexis's reaction to hearing Nik is the father of Esmé's child.

Who got shot in Nina's apartment and used a pillow to try to stop the bleeding? Yikes, those things are terrible.

Willow, you reflect back on Michael what he wants to hear much more than Nina does on Sonny. FFS. Who writes this absolute shit?

[statsgirl]

4 minutes ago, ffwbe said:

Even today before finding out the marrow donor fell through, she was unsure about the donation because she didn’t want to give birth early.

To be fair, she only started her second trimester a couple of weeks ago  (🤯), which would make her at about 16 or 17 weeks. That baby is not viable. I couldn't understand why Terry suggested it.

The pacing on this show is terrible.

[mariah23]

5 minutes ago, statsgirl said:

To be fair, she only started her second trimester a couple of weeks ago  (🤯), which would make her at about 16 or 17 weeks. That baby is not viable. I couldn't understand why Terry suggested it.

The pacing on this show is terrible.

Because she said Willow is now eight (?!) months along.

[nilyank]

9 minutes ago, statsgirl said:

To be fair, she only started her second trimester a couple of weeks ago  (🤯), which would make her at about 16 or 17 weeks. That baby is not viable. I couldn't understand why Terry suggested it.

I thought they said she was in her 8th month today.

[dubbel zout]

OMG, Willow has had ONE round of chemo. There's no way to tell if the treatment isn't working after one round.

Please let this baby be a tock.

I had to laugh that Sonny sort of strutted out of Windemere like he won some sort of contest with Victor. Spencer is leaving because of Nik, not because Sonny's penthouse is such a better option.

"I just never thought you'd end up dating the father of my daughter." It's good to know that whoever is writing for Ava still has a good sense of humor.

 

[perkie1968]

59 minutes ago, Desperado said:

They’re really selling Nik up the river with everyone reading him the riot act

Except, I would have wanted to see Laura's reaction to the baby news.  All we got was her looking gobsmacked when she heard but not the fallout.  

59 minutes ago, Desperado said:

And it’s my turn say how ridiculous it is for hospital records to be handed to the family for them to look at.

I don't think that's what happened.  I think Britt had files in her office, people with ongoing treatment, and they happened to end up in the box with her personal stuff.  Once Nina realized that, she said to Ava she was going to take the hospital ones back and keep Britt's personal ones.  

48 minutes ago, dubbel zout said:

LOL at Alexis's reaction to hearing Nik is the father of Esmé's child.

Nancy's was almost as good as Genie's.  Though Alexis shouldn't be completely surprised seeing as Valentin went from being her half brother via her father to not related to her except via her stepmother.  We are talking about Cassadines here. 

40 minutes ago, statsgirl said:

That baby is not viable. I couldn't understand why Terry suggested it.

Willow is at least 32 weeks pregnant, really.  I know that the show, for plot point purposes, extended the first trimester to about 839 weeks, but Willow found out she was pregnant on June 28/29 which is 28 weeks ago.  If she was at least 4 weeks pregnant when the test turned positivie that would put her at 32 weeks.  

Which oddly enough is the exact same as Esme since the icky sex happened on June 1st.  

 

Now, who thinks Victor will cover for Nikolas when Dante and Jordan come a-calling.  

Also, who thought the lightbulb that went over Finn's head would have been him realizing that Liz was not pregnant but that she was helping Nik hide Esme.  

[statsgirl]

Early term is 36 to 38 weeks, full term is 39. If Wllow's 32 weeks, I hate to say it but I agree with her.  Wait a few more weeks.

11 minutes ago, perkie1968 said:

Though Alexis shouldn't be completely surprised seeing as Valentin went from being her half brother via her father to not related to her except via her stepmother.  We are talking about Cassadines here. 

Closer. Victor is Mikkos' brother so they're first cousins.

[Cheyanne11]

13 minutes ago, perkie1968 said:

Though Alexis shouldn't be completely surprised seeing as Valentin went from being her half brother via her father to not related to her except via her stepmother.  We are talking about Cassadines here. 

Alexis and Valentin are first cousins by blood, as their fathers, Mikkos and Victor, are brothers.

[ffwbe]

Did the show forget Alexis isn’t a lawyer anymore? I guess she could have told Nikolas what his legal options were but even if she wanted to help him with what he asked, what could she have done? 

[perkie1968]

1 minute ago, statsgirl said:

Victor is Mikkos' brother so they're first cousins.

RIIIGHT!!  Brain farted for a second and forgot Victor was his father!!!  Either way, my point was the Cassadines are not known for their good choices.  Heck, look who Spencer's mother is!!!

Just now, ffwbe said:

Did the show forget Alexis isn’t a lawyer anymore? I

When he first showed up, he said he was looking for advice only.  And in the end she said she'd hook him up (no pun intended!!) with a lawyer who deals with tough custody cases.  (Ten bucks says it's Diane!!)

[GHScorpiosRule]

2 minutes ago, statsgirl said:

Early term is 36 to 38 weeks, full term is 39. If Wllow's 32 weeks, I hate to say it but I agree with her.  Wait a few more weeks.

We've all seen on other shows, where pregnancies/early births were viable at 30 weeks. So if Willow is at 32, the baby is still viable. A good friend of mine had her second baby around 32 weeks, and the baby survived and grew up healthy.

Plus, this is the FAKAKTA GH, where a preemie would be viable at 28 weeks! But still hoping for a tock.

[YaddaYadda]

9 minutes ago, perkie1968 said:

Also, who thought the lightbulb that went over Finn's head would have been him realizing that Liz was not pregnant but that she was helping Nik hide Esme.  

The only clue he's missing is that Elizabeth was never pregnant. He's already convinced that Esme was hiding out at Wyndemere.

I like Nina and Ava's friendship. It's sweet and talk about water under the bridge.

I always enjoy Alexis's scenes with her nephews/Cassadine family/daughters. Words are not enough with Nikolas, though. He just doesn't listen. 

I see that Joss has in fact not come forward with the truth about her being attacked by the Hook. Nice going Carlys. May you never cease to amaze. 

Oh, no! The donor fell through! What will we ever do?!? I like how that pregnancy went from crawling along to supersonic. 

75% of the show was enjoyable. The rest was trash, because Michael/Willow and this dumb storyline. I can't even enjoy Terri being on my screen.

[Pingaponga]

I thought  I heard Terry say that WIllow was now 8 months pregnant, which is why she could deliver early. It took FOREVER for Willow to make it through the first trimester, and now she's 8 months along and has had only one round of chemo?

[GHScorpiosRule]

57 minutes ago, YaddaYadda said:

I like how that pregnancy went from crawling along to supersonic. 

Isn't that how Sam's post-Lilah Pregnancy happened? She barely showed for months and months, and when Robin "died" she suddenly had that bump to show, yes, she's actually pregnant.

55 minutes ago, Pingaponga said:

I thought  I heard Terry say that WIllow was now 8 months pregnant, which is why she could deliver early. It took FOREVER for Willow to make it through the first trimester, and now she's 8 months along and has had only one round of chemo?

It's so FUCKING OFFENSIVE. She's only had one round, but looked like CRAP for weeks. It's not 80 or early 90s, where you're puking your guts out after chemo; there are drugs now...oh wait. I forgot. She's PREGNANT, so clearly, she can't take anything to alleviate the nausea or puking. But her hair is apparently teflon and hair loss won't be one of the effects for this speshial snowflake.

Edited January 9, 2023 by GHScorpiosRule

[PatsyandEddie]

7 minutes ago, GHScorpiosRule said:

We've all seen on other shows, where pregnancies/early births were viable at 30 weeks. So if Willow is at 32, the baby is still viable. A good friend of mine had her second baby around 32 weeks, and the baby survived and grew up healthy.

Plus, this is the FAKAKTA GH, where a preemie would be viable at 28 weeks! But still hoping for a tock.

At 28 weeks a baby has an 80-90% chance of survival. 24 weeks is very dicey. If Willow is 32 weeks, the baby should do well. 
Not that I want any baby to pass but this is Millow we are taking about. They make me sick so…..

[Gigi43]

21 minutes ago, ffwbe said:

Did the show forget Alexis isn’t a lawyer anymore? I guess she could have told Nikolas what his legal options were but even if she wanted to help him with what he asked, what could she have done? 

 

Alexis pointed out to Nik that she wasn't a lawyer anymore and Nik said he just wanted advice. 

[statsgirl]

37 minutes ago, Gigi43 said:

Alexis pointed out to Nik that she wasn't a lawyer anymore and Nik said he just wanted advice. 

She also told him at the end that she would find a lawyer for him who was good at difficult custody cases.

Poor fetus, neither Nik nor Esme should have sole custody.  Too bad Laura and Alexis are busy with their own lives to help.

[Blackie]

Ava looked fantasic today - her blouse, the colour, her earrings, her hair -- I loved everything and she matched the walls.

Dumb plot point that Sonny would be reading Willow's medical record in Nina's apartment

[YaddaYadda]

So Willow is 8 months pregnant. Esme is 7 months pregnant, probably verging on 8. There are no shenanigans afoot, I'm sure. 

[Rachel1004]

Anyone know the name of the actress that played the pregnant woman that showed up at the Quarrmtermaines dressed as Mary? She looks so familiar. 

[statsgirl]

11 minutes ago, YaddaYadda said:

So Willow is 8 months pregnant. Esme is 7 months pregnant, probably verging on 8. There are no shenanigans afoot, I'm sure. 

But Michael can't lose another child, it was too traumatic and heartbreaking to lose Jonah/Wylie. I'm sure I heard Willow say that. (As much as I would really like shenanigans around it.)

[dubbel zout]

8 minutes ago, statsgirl said:

But Michael can't lose another child.

I know he lost Baby Jonah Corinthos (or whatever that headstone ridiculously reads), but he got the idiot child, so that's a wash as far as I'm concerned.

This show drives me to despise fictional children and actively wish for unborn babies to die. 

[YaddaYadda]

57 minutes ago, statsgirl said:

But Michael can't lose another child, it was too traumatic and heartbreaking to lose Jonah/Wylie. I'm sure I heard Willow say that. (As much as I would really like shenanigans around it.)

Maybe his ass steals Esme's baby. Or Willow latches on to a child that's not hers like she did with Wylie because she never dealt with her own kid's death.

[perkie1968]

2 hours ago, statsgirl said:

If Wllow's 32 weeks,

She could be more than 32 weeks.  I'm just saying if she was 4 weeks pregnant when she was told, that would put her at 32.  But she could just as easily have been anywhere from 5-8 weeks when they told her.  Or even further along and was too stupid to know.  The show today specifically said 8 months which would be anywhere from 32-35 weeks. 

But also she spent about 7 of those 8 months in her first trimester, so, you know.   

[GHScorpiosRule]

I see this show is still stuck in the 1950s. The way Willow didn't want to induce labor, one would think that there was a real big chance that the baby wouldn't survive. There have been so many advances in the medical field-also with early births. There are incubators to keep preemies in.

But no. Let's just write it as it's a BIG RISK for Willow to have the baby. 

So, instead of increasing the chemo cocktail-more aggressive--since the FIRST round didn't do the job they were hoping for, it's keep on looking for a donor.

FUCKING OFFENSIVE.🤬🤬

[One Tough Cookie]

And the bone marrow matter will be the thing tat reunites Mooby and Useless...because their fambly.

[perkie1968]

1 hour ago, statsgirl said:

Poor fetus, neither Nik nor Esme should have sole custody.

Ace didn't win the prize in family trees with Heather, Ryan, Mikkos and Helena as part of it.  

[Melgaypet]

1 hour ago, perkie1968 said:

Ace didn't win the prize in family trees with Heather, Ryan, Mikkos and Helena as part of it. 

I know I said myself not too long ago that menopause barely exists on soaps, but I cannot roll my eyes hard enough at the idea of Heather being the mother of 20 year-old Esme. It's not the only reason that's stupid (how many secret children can one lunatic have?), but it's a big one.

Though I should be grateful it's not Felicia like they were hinting at for a while there.