Episode Discussion II: The TFGH

[CharethCutestory]

I can't tell if Nik is doing as poor a job as Spencer trying to pull one over on Esme or he's just that dumb. He's in the danger zone though. If it goes there he'll get rightly dragged but it'll be soapy as hell. I think it's more likely Esme will drug him and make him think something happened. I'm rooting for the end of Nava either way, not a fan. 

They keep focusing on Esme's hand. Is it just supposed to be a nervous tic of hers? Did they cover this in an earlier episode that I missed? Last time they showed it was a cutaway scene with Ryan when Brit was explaining the reasons someone would have the pills Esme had.  

[dubbel zout]

1 hour ago, statsgirl said:

Willow profusely apologizing to Michael for daring to speak to Sonny "I was only thanking him for the flowers."  Run girl, run. You are a paper wall away from being in an abusive relationship

I think she's in the abusive relationship already but can't tell it's emotional abuse. Michael can say he's doing everything for her best interest, and she laps it up as if that makes him the perfect husband. News flash, Michael: Willow can talk to whomever she wants, even if it's Sonny. And she owes you no explanations. Ugh. It's gross to watch this.

40 minutes ago, YaddaYadda said:

Still don't care about Curtis and his issues. 

I'm team Curtis, but even I'm completely bored. These stories are never interesting to me, because the big reveal is never big, and the story gets dragged out for way too long.

40 minutes ago, YaddaYadda said:

Portia tearing a strip off Spencer and then Ava having a go at him followed by Trina is sort of my jam. 

Same. Portia was pretty awesome.

Oh, I SO want Ned and Valentin to take down Michael and Drew. Serve those two dopes right. It's hilarious they think of themselves as more qualified than Ned or Valentin to run ELQ-Aurora.

[Cheyanne11]

16 minutes ago, dubbel zout said:

I think she's in the abusive relationship already but can't tell it's emotional abuse. Michael can say he's doing everything for her best interest, and she laps it up as if that makes him the perfect husband.

That she immediately gets apologetic or nervous when she does something he disagrees with has really amped up in the last month or so.  If it was any other show I would think that's where they were heading with this, but, ya know.

[Daisy]

18 minutes ago, CharethCutestory said:

They keep focusing on Esme's hand. Is it just supposed to be a nervous tic of hers? Did they cover this in an earlier episode that I missed? Last time they showed it was a cutaway scene with Ryan when Brit was explaining the reasons someone would have the pills Esme had.  

Esme shoves her nails in the palm of her hand to keep from losing control. One time she was so angry with what was happening with Trina and Spencer she actually cut her hand she was digging in them that hard. 

[YaddaYadda]

21 minutes ago, dubbel zout said:

I'm team Curtis, but even I'm completely bored. These stories are never interesting to me, because the big reveal is never big, and the story gets dragged out for way too long.

I think that's what it is no matter whose team you're on. It's just boring AF. Curtis found out about his dad like 2-3 weeks ago and now he's on a grand tour to tell anyone who cares about it that his father was locked up in a mental institution. Enough of that. Let's get on with it and thank you.

[lala2]

Does anyone else want some (or most) of these plots to wrap up already? Maybe it's just me but I'm bored w/GH. I just want to hit the gas on some of these plots so we can move on to other stuff.

If Esme is gonna seduce Nikolas or fake sleep w/him, can she do it already? I like Nava and hate how dumb they've made Nikolas but if the plan is to run the bus over him, can they just do it? Why are they slowly dragging it out? 

I'm already sick of Michael's whining about Sonny. I just don't have it in me to watch months of him being a brat. 

I'm not a ChaLynn fan, but why do they keep circling each other?  Where's the Chase that was bold and asked stupid Willow for a second chance? Why can't Chase just ask Brook Lynn out on a date, and we go from there? Oh, and I also felt Leo's connection to Chase was weird. I FF/mute a lot though so I thought I missed them bonding or something. That scene w/Leo just seeing Chase was weird . . . . to me at least. 

The Marshall crap . .  ugh. 

I also want to wrap up this porno plot. Exonerate Trina so we can move on to other stuff. I'd rather be in the Sprina/Rory triangle at this point. 

Anyway . . . don't mind me. I'm not a particularly engaged, happy viewer right now. lol

[YaddaYadda]

10 minutes ago, Cheyanne11 said:

That she immediately gets apologetic or nervous when she does something he disagrees with has really amped up in the last month or so.  If it was any other show I would think that's where they were heading with this, but, ya know.

That's the other problem. This should be leading somewhere. I mean the actress is playing it like a deer caught in headlights or troubled every time Michael gets all uppity and angry. So either she's directed to play it like that or she is playing it like that because that's how the script is reading to her and no one is telling her not to.

And even if the director told her to not play it the way she is, her hanging on Michael's arm and looking at him with stars in her eyes while he is yelling at his dad or at Nina or at anyone wouldn't be any better.

Edited May 16, 2022 by YaddaYadda

[CharethCutestory]

7 minutes ago, Daisy said:

Esme shoves her nails in the palm of her hand to keep from losing control. One time she was so angry with what was happening with Trina and Spencer she actually cut her hand she was digging in them that hard. 

Ah, thank you for the info Daisy! I've been trying to catch up on what I missed the months I wasn't watching. 

[Daisy]

3 minutes ago, lala2 said:

Does anyone else want some (or most) of these plots to wrap up already? Maybe it's just me but I'm bored w/GH. I just want to hit the gas on some of these plots so we can move on to other stuff.

 

I legit just tweeted Frank needs to speed things up because we can legit quote the show. It's insane. And I get that some of it is that a lot of the cast has other projects or they get hurt or need surgery or something but I mean. holy hell. at the very least ramp it up on the ones who aren't.

For example. Mistah Sheffield had surgery. so you wanna kinda put this "Project Demeter" thing on the backburner - understandable- you know what should be moving like a bat out of hell then? this Trina-Esme-Spencer storyline. like. yesterday. 

You wanna tell this story about abandonment, and the focus of mental health (back then) vs. now? great. beatuiful story. SPEED IT UP. If this had nothing to do with mob ties, don't waste my time with Hatman (as much as i am team stick it mob) threatening Sonny FOCUS ON THE MENTAL HEALTH ISSUE. Curtis doesn't understand it because he [and we] look at it with 2022 lenses. SHOW US why Hatman thought being dead was worse than being  treated for mental illness. Come on, Show. 

Ill admit i missed when Michael/Drew had this crap brainchild idea about the merger but how is this going SO SLOWLY? Drew owns his company, and they flat out said that they have enough votes to knock out Va (let's ignore the fact that there is no board, or SEC stuff -  to deal with), how are you still dancing around this. GET IT DONE. 

I was never team CLQ i thought they should have been BFFs like 1990's Alexis/Ned, Jax/Alexis (no sex nada). the show wants to go there. SO THEN GO THERE. I'm sorry. I am such a personal space junky, and BLQ and Chase are legit glued together, and they aren't even DATING. DATE! or realise you have the attraction but the chemistry isn't there. something. JUST MOVE ON.

Sam, Dante, and several other people were around when Kristina was Keiffer's punching bag. They know the signs. Hell, have someone else do it if you don't want family drama. But the way Michael treats his girlfriend is abusive. even if you wanted to dance round it before, the last few days were crystal clear. If Willow does or says anything Michael doesn't like, he turns on her. Willow is now apologizing for wanting to THANK someone for flowers. i dunno many other Michael relationships - was he like this with everyone else? someone CALL on in it. make this a storyline.(oh but you can't because Michael is the golden malespawn of Carly and they never can do anything wrong) but then god speed this up with the stupid custody battle. 

if you can make Harmony cuckobananas in like 2 weeks, you can do this for other people.

[jacourt]

They have to have stories on the pipeline. Somehow I doubt the brain trust has a backlog of ideas. 

[YaddaYadda]

3 minutes ago, jacourt said:

They have to have stories on the pipeline. Somehow I doubt the brain trust has a backlog of ideas. 

They do not. Otherwise we wouldn't have to suffer through this Esme storyline as she plays the victim while she schemes to upend people's lives and tries to seduce Nikolas.

[CharethCutestory]

11 minutes ago, YaddaYadda said:

That's the other problem. This should be leading somewhere. I mean the actress is playing it like a deer caught in headlights or troubled every time Michael gets all uppity and angry. So either she's directed to play it like that or she is playing it like that because that's how the script is reading to her and no one is telling her not to.

And even if the director told her to not play it the way she is, her hanging on Michael's arm and looking at him with stars in her eyes while he is yelling at his dad or at Nina or at anyone wouldn't be any better.

Willow never dealt with her cult trauma or the grief over losing her son, she dove right into being Wiley's mother and playing house with Michael. Now she has even more emotional upheaval to deal with from the Harmony reveal. I wish the writers would write something real for once. That they were largely together because Willow was so desperate to suppress and not deal with her trauma and Michael was pathologically obsessed with getting the "anti-Nelle" as a mother for Wylie. It wasn't some epic love story. There hasn't been one moment of their entire, strange courtship where there wasn't a dark cloud hanging over them. They look miserable all the time. I hate that they sullied Chase and Sasha, but especially Chase, with the stupid cheating lie in order to prop them. They're one of the worst, unhealthiest soap couples I've ever seen. A woman under the thumb of an abusive man for years is now in a relationship with a partner who gives her no agency because he's a total ego maniac. 

I do wonder if KMac is playing it meek, deer in the headlights on purpose. Like she's afraid to speak up and say anything to Michael the least bit critical for fear he'll turn the unreasonable anger he has for Nina and Sonny on her, which means no more Wiley and then she'll really lose it. 

[statsgirl]

22 hours ago, YaddaYadda said:

Did you know that Scout made a painting that her parents are so very proud of? Also, let's hire a bunch of children for this day in the park, but let's not bring the Scout actress in for half a day of filming because that's not gonna look weird at all. How stupid!

That bothered me.  It just showed how much the show doesn't care about Scout other than as a prop for Michael/Sonny/Willow drama. At least show me the painting since it's all that and say that Scout is over there talking to her friends.

20 hours ago, Daisy said:

You wanna tell this story about abandonment, and the focus of mental health (back then) vs. now? great. beatuiful story. SPEED IT UP. If this had nothing to do with mob ties, don't waste my time with Hatman (as much as i am team stick it mob) threatening Sonny FOCUS ON THE MENTAL HEALTH ISSUE. Curtis doesn't understand it because he [and we] look at it with 2022 lenses. SHOW US why Hatman thought being dead was worse than being  treated for mental illness. Come on, Show. 

I was very disappointed when instead of educating Curtis on what it was like for a person with mental health issues in the 70s much less a black man, Stella went all "I'm so so sorry for hurting you."

21 hours ago, dubbel zout said:

I think she's in the abusive relationship already but can't tell it's emotional abuse. Michael can say he's doing everything for her best interest, and she laps it up as if that makes him the perfect husband.

it's not quite at the abusive level because Michael isn't yelling at her yet for being disloyal, he's yelling at Sonny and Nina. But it's close.

We see that it's abusive but I don't trust the show that this is what they are writing. This is Carly's Golden Child, they've never acknowledged him as flawed in any way, not while Duell's playing him.

[dubbel zout]

The show will never sully Michael by making him an abuser of any sort. He's such a bore as a character because he never does anything wrong. Blech.

[GHScorpiosRule]

15 minutes ago, statsgirl said:

We see that it's abusive but I don't trust the show that this is what they are writing. This is Carly's Golden Child, they've never acknowledged him as flawed in any way, not while Duell's playing him.

Yeah, in their world, if that SLS isn't hitting Willow, then it's not abuse. Just like the SheBeast and Jason laughing over how a man can't be raped when she accused Jax of cheating on her, when he was being held hostage. Oh, but it's different when that Eeyore/SLS himself got raped.

I know the last abuse story line this show took on was of Kristina. But I remember the one it did, many moons ago with Bobbie and Brock.

Edited May 16, 2022 by GHScorpiosRule

[Daisy]

5 minutes ago, GHScorpiosRule said:

Yeah, in their world, if that SLS isn't hitting Willow, then it's not abuse. Just like the SheBeast and Jason laughing over how a man can't be raped when she accused Jax of cheating on her, when he was being held hostage. Oh, but it's different when that Eeyore/SLS himself got raped.

 

that one still makes me soooo mad. i can't find a clip from that time but that just gave me such rage, but yeah nooooo laughter or anything when Michael got raped

 

18 minutes ago, statsgirl said:

I was very disappointed when instead of educating Curtis on what it was like for a person with mental health issues in the 70s much less a black man, Stella went all "I'm so so sorry for hurting you."

i WOULD say, tomorrow we might get that education because Curtis until that point was like "how can i trust you." but. it's this show, so who knows. 
 

11 minutes ago, dubbel zout said:

The show will never sully Michael by making him an abuser of any sort. He's such a bore as a character because he never does anything wrong. Blech.

yeah. they'll just sully Michael by constantly having him suck haha

[Blackie]

1 hour ago, lala2 said:

If Esme is gonna seduce Nikolas or fake sleep w/him, can she do it already

 

Hmm that just makes me wonder if Esme will drug Nikolas and then Spencer will figure out what happened because he has seen the drugs.

 

1 hour ago, CharethCutestory said:

I think it's more likely Esme will drug him and make him think something happened.

 

Ok I read the posts from newest to oldest so I see now I wasn't the first to think of this.

 

Did Ava say why she wasn't at the school fair thing to see Avery dance or was that going to be later.

The Portia scene was good, she was showing real emotion of a mother

[Blackie]

2 hours ago, Daisy said:

Stella truly did have a secret that it wasn't her place to tell - and she didn't, and I love how it was breaking her heart, and Curtis isn't being too much of a poop to her about it (especially when he realized that Mama Curtis knew too).

 

Does anyone think it will still come out that Stella is Curtis's mother and Curtis is Trina's dad, a throw back to that storyline way back about the Stella having a relative in the area?

[Blackie]

2 hours ago, statsgirl said:

What fresh hell was Olivia wearing? Can't she afford a stylist?

 

I was thinking I didn't hate it but it was a bid dowdy for Olivia who has a rocking body. I guess she was trying to be more matronly for the school crowd.

[Daisy]

14 minutes ago, Blackie said:

 

I was thinking I didn't hate it but it was a bid dowdy for Olivia who has a rocking body. I guess she was trying to be more matronly for the school crowd.

she looked like someone ready to run a Leo-aged birthday party.

[Auntie Velvet]

A while back Nicholas told someone (I can't remember who) that he didn't trust Esme so he wanted her close by so he could spy on her. But in talking to Laura the other day he was defending Esme. I don't think the writers know WHAT is going on in Nicholas' head. I do remember, though, that Esme was doing the hand thing right after Ryan told her that he wanted her to make a move on Nicholas, and she clearly didn't want to. 

The listings description for today's show included: "Stella tells Curtis the truth." I didn't get that at all! (Even though the scenes played out like we were given big revelations.) But I can't imagine what. The fact that both women knew The Hat was alive just doesn't seem to be that big of a deal. 

[nilyank]

4 hours ago, YaddaYadda said:

I hope ELQ/Aurora does merge and that Valentin and Ned fire Michael and Drew. This whole idea about Ned needing media experience is so laughable. Drew didn't have any media experience when he started the company.

Drew had zero experience in media (or running a business), so he hired someone who did have experience to run his company. You know who that was?

Peter.

[ffwbe]

Doesn’t Michael run Aurora now? Why were they talking about hiring someone else in to run it? What did Michael and Drew plan on doing after the merger? Now I hate that they ever put Michael in charge or anything ELQ related and he doesn’t pull off successful CEO but it would have made the last sense for him to ask Ned to be co-CEOs with him and run the merged company together. Of course, Michael and Drew come off extra dense and condescending so they won’t get Ned’s buy in and they’ll fail.   

Edited May 17, 2022 by ffwbe

[racked]

2 hours ago, dubbel zout said:

The show will never sully Michael by making him an abuser of any sort. He's such a bore as a character because he never does anything wrong. Blech.

This is a fact, and yet, Michael’s vibe with all of his female partners is either indifference or thinly veiled annoyance bordering on anger.  I know it’s the actor, I’ve just never seen an actor in soaps who always has the that chemistry, if you could call it that, with his scene partners. It’s so limiting. 

Edited May 17, 2022 by racked

[YaddaYadda]

24 minutes ago, nilyank said:

Drew had zero experience in media (or running a business), so he hired someone who did have experience to run his company. You know who that was?

Peter.

I remember that very well. That was original recipe Drew's greatest sin.

The point is that Michael and Drew are holding Ned's lack of knowledge of media against him when neither knew anything about it.

[Daisy]

and now, that i have to think about this. (thanks, show) none of this makes sense. 

If they are merging the companies  - why isn't this Michael vs. Ned? is Michael stepping down of CEO of Aurora? He was CEO of ELQ.  I mean it would just be a bigger holding, but like whatever.  it's not like Michael works anyway.. 

And Ned isn't CEO now. so why is he pissy that he won't be CEO after. Why are you assuming if the family gets the company back they'll all automatically vote you back in as CEO? [i mean they will but still. again it just seems like to me. Ned would .... have more of a say as COO after the merger - than he has now.   So now they are all just dumbo. 

but - it means Valentin is going to make Dumbo and Dumber look event more dumbo and dumber so I am all in like Flynn, y'alli. 

[Desperado]

Why are they making all the couples (except Lucy and NotTad) act like high schoolers? Yes Val and Anna, I’m especially looking at you.

I like mad Portia a lot.

 

[statsgirl]

2 hours ago, ffwbe said:

Doesn’t Michael run Aurora now? Why were they talking about hiring someone else in to run it? What did Michael and Drew plan on doing after the merger?

Michael is the very successful Aurora CEO despite having zero media experience. Presumably he will now be CEO of the merged company. They offered Ned a lesser position (COO I think) and then gave him a babysitter since he doesn't have the experience. <eyeroll>

I think it would be humiliating for Ned to be a babysat COO and the less experienced Michael and Drew are running the company. At least with Valentin in the CEO chair, Ned has a reason why he's sidelined.

That's what you get for constantly propping Michael, Ned. Sucks to be you.

59 minutes ago, Desperado said:

Why are they making all the couples (except Lucy and NotTad) act like high schoolers?

Because the high schoolers/college kids are acting like middle schoolers.

4 hours ago, Blackie said:

Does anyone think it will still come out that Stella is Curtis's mother and Curtis is Trina's dad, a throw back to that storyline way back about the Stella having a relative in the area?

I'd completely forgotten about all that.

Trina said that she found a relative, not a grandparent so it's okay if Stella stays Curtis' aunt.

[threebluestars]

I'd actually love to see them go down the "Michael is an abuser" path, but I know they won't. But it could be really, really good to see a character seen as milquetoast turn out to be controlling and have issues.

I also want things to speed up. I feel like storylines moved faster years ago and the show was better for it.

[Cheyanne11]

Michael continues his quest to be worse than his mother (sounds impossible, given how long Carly's been THE WORST, but he's making a valiant effort).  Yes, asshole, your father sending Willow flowers for Harmony's death is him trying to "get one over" on you.  And let's continue to rewrite history (like mother, like son) with the "he hasn't paid his family any attention since getting back from Nixon Falls" nonsense.  He's one "the world is ending" sandwich board away from standing on a street corner and ranting.

Also, I'm firmly TeamNedAndValentin when it comes to this merger nonsense.  Drew and Michael sound like assholes who are trying to marginalize Ned.  As if Ned isn't the supreme "anything for the family" Quartermaine of them all.

[Ambrosefolly]

11 hours ago, threebluestars said:

I'd actually love to see them go down the "Michael is an abuser" path, but I know they won't. But it could be really, really good to see a character seen as milquetoast turn out to be controlling and have issues.

I also want things to speed up. I feel like storylines moved faster years ago and the show was better for it.

While I wouldn't want Michael to start engaging in behavior that he hasn't before, mainly because I hate when the show writes people widely out of character, I really need the show to acknowledge that the behavior he has always engaged in as abusive because it is abusive. I think Willow "fell in love" with Michael because it was more of the same abusive behavior she was in from the cult and she never truly dealt with her issues.

Michael really is the worst. Even rich kids that take over the family businesses often work for the family businesses early on or they expected they take the higher education courses. Prince William took years of specialized military training as he is expected to become king one day. Say what you will with the normal amount of awfulness that the individual Qs have, but at least they struggled in one or more aspects of their lives and had to try to make their own way.

But what has Michael done? Carly limited or stopped all together the Qs access to Michael, so he was rarely taken to ELQ when he was young. His idiot parents failed to keep him safe, so he got shot in the head and lost a year of his life. We never saw him go to college ( I guess it was mentioned on show instead). He just meander and then became CEO with only a few months internship under his belt (where he rejected to work in the department that Edward tried to assign him to because it wasn't cool). Even his idiot brother Morgan went to Vanderbilt for a little while and Kristina has been going to college off screen. This guy is handed everything with no real work to get it. 

[dubbel zout]

1 hour ago, Cheyanne11 said:

Yes, asshole, your father sending Willow flowers for Harmony's death is him trying to "get one over" on you.

I had to laugh at this. Even the most banal action by Sonny is an affront to the stupid little shit. Grow up, you infant.

[Daisy]

1 hour ago, Cheyanne11 said:

Yes, asshole, your father sending Willow flowers for Harmony's death is him trying to "get one over" on you. 

what instantly went to my mind was like "so.... you didn't get Willow flowers or anything?" how do you get one over on someone in this regards, dumbo?

[Cobalt Stargazer]

3 hours ago, Daisy said:

what instantly went to my mind was like "so.... you didn't get Willow flowers or anything?" how do you get one over on someone in this regards, dumbo?

The argument can be made that Michael doesn't want Willow to feel better unless he's the one responsible for it, which is weird and gross in its own right. It could have been anybody, not just Sonny, and he'd have been pissy about it.

[Daisy]

3 minutes ago, Cobalt Stargazer said:

The argument can be made that Michael doesn't want Willow to feel better unless he's the one responsible for it, which is weird and gross in its own right. It could have been anybody, not just Sonny, and he'd have been pissy about it.

which is just so gross. 

[KayVeeTeeVee]

19 hours ago, GHScorpiosRule said:

Yeah, in their world, if that SLS isn't hitting Willow, then it's not abuse. Just like the SheBeast and Jason laughing over how a man can't be raped when she accused Jax of cheating on her, when he was being held hostage. Oh, but it's different when that Eeyore/SLS himself got raped.

I know the last abuse story line this show took on was of Kristina. But I remember the one it did, many moons ago with Bobbie and Brock.

Bobbie and Brock was absolutely vicious!  As was Elizabeth's attack in the park. 

[GHScorpiosRule]

1 hour ago, KayVeeTeeVee said:

Bobbie and Brock was absolutely vicious!  As was Elizabeth's attack in the park. 

It was. But Brock's abusiveness did come out of nowhere, considering how they got together. I remember being pissed about it at the time, but I guess either Groh or the show, were done with him.

But Elizabeth and her rapist were never in a relationship, so I didn't even reference that. But yes, her rape was BRUTAL and Becky did such an amazing job.

Edited May 17, 2022 by GHScorpiosRule

[statsgirl]

1 hour ago, Cobalt Stargazer said:

The argument can be made that Michael doesn't want Willow to feel better unless he's the one responsible for it, which is weird and gross in its own right. It could have been anybody, not just Sonny, and he'd have been pissy about it.

Classic abuser behaviour. (Although if it were Carly, he'd be "she's just the greatest.")

[Daisy]

Carly: sorry I nearly ruined your relationship, Sam, but here is me trying to ruin your relationship. Stay awesome, Caarly.

Sasha is the worst drug addict ever. That's a sentence I never thought I'd say lol

I still don' get why Val would want to be CEO of a family company who doesn't want him there. Why not just do an end-run on Cassadine Industries or something. 

Can't carly have her own storyline? she needs to be part of this Q one too?is no storyline sacred. 

Sam: Cassadines lie, cheat and and not good. Me: so like you in your Con days right? and you are friends with Carly who does that. And Sonny who does that. So shut up Sam. 

Not happy that Spencer told Sam but burned his relationship with Britt :(

omg "IF you were risking Sonny's bloodmoney i'm for it, but I won't have you risk what's yours." Shut up you stupid dipstick.

Go. Ava. Savage. 

If Olivia and Dante can get this CLQ nonsense started that would be great. 

also. Go Gladys. She might be annoying sometimes but man, you want her on your side when she goes mama bear. 

Until we have a scene where Nik is like. phewww this is getting harder. he's just dumbo. 

[dubbel zout]

What from Tiffany is Michael giving Leo, an actual silver spoon? What a dope.

[DanaK]

For those complaining about the pace of the storylines, I think this has been a problem for at least a year, if not more. I was complaining about Esme's storyline being of glacial pace a few months ago. If not doing a glacial pace, the writers suddenly finish up a storyline with a really weak ending (the Chase/Willow/Michael triangle), though the Sonny returns one has had some great stuff associated with it

[ffwbe]

6 minutes ago, Daisy said:

I still don' get why Val would want to be CEO of a family company who doesn't want him there. Why not just do an end-run on Cassadine Industries or something. 

I don’t completely get his motivation since he originally took over as part of a revenge plot against Michael but he still owns a decent amount of shares and I wouldn’t trust Michael and Drew’s decision making abilities. I have a hard time believing Aurora is some great success and they aren’t exactly symbiotic so this potential merger is more likely to drag ELQ down more than it would help. 

However, Ned isn’t winning either way since neither side will let him run things or have any real say. It sounded like he’s basically siding with Valentin because he knows he’s the better CEO, which tracks since he was better at running Cassadine Industries than Nikolas ever was. 

[perkie1968]

The "hell yeah" moment of the day when Esme brings up Avery and Kiki and Ava gets all up in her face and says: 

"This is your only warning, you keep my daughters' names out of your mouth or I will make you sorry you ever drew breath"

Esme is a sociopath and she said it to egg on Ava so Nik would defend her, but I still believe when Ava was right in her face, Esme may have peed herself a little!!

[Blackie]

14 minutes ago, Daisy said:

Not happy that Spencer told Sam but burned his relationship with Britt :(

 

ya that was bad plot point writing I can only imagine to push Britt together with someone.

BTW Is SB coming back, weirdly I have noticed on my TV guide description still mentions his name as one of the stars of the show.

I know Leo idolizes Chase but not a very fun song to have at your birthday party/ plot point #2. At least it is moving a story along.

[statsgirl]

If nothing else,, Michael and Drew having Carly invest in ELQ should be the writin on the wall to Ned that he's not valued at all. Also Drew, you need financial backing more than support from someone who says "thank Got I'm not a Quartermaine".

I'd completely forgotten that Sam is a Cassadine. She's so much in the Corinthos mob.

Spencer to Sam: "You're still a Cassadine. You're just one of the good ones."  Me: 🤣🤣🤣🤣 And Spencer, you're even stupider than your father if you trust Sam. She doesn't want to help Trina, she wants to help Carly.  Sam couldn't care less about Trina even if Trina's mentor is her aunt.

"Forget about trusting Esme. Why can't you trust me?  Nik being a dummkopf is boring. Take her down, Ava.A

Chase's song was all right I guess. But I wouldn't be running out to buy it.

26 minutes ago, Daisy said:

Not happy that Spencer told Sam but burned his relationship with Britt :(

Because Sam is Carly-adjacent. Britt isn't useful anymore now that she's not affiliated with Jason.

14 minutes ago, ffwbe said:

I have a hard time believing Aurora is some great success and they aren’t exactly symbiotic so this potential merger is more likely to drag ELQ down more than it would help.

Valentin's point. Along with the fact that Ned is getting pushed out by Michael and Drew.

If I were Ned, I would trust Valentin to keep his word more than I would trust Michael and Drew. Valentin is a businessman and he knows the way the world works. Michael and Drew are too arrogant to trust.

[YaddaYadda]

Michael talking about Carly investing Sonny's blood money in Aurora v. Carly investing her own money that she makes from her hotel is something. Dipshit, I'm pretty sure that Sonny's ill gotten fortune being invested anywhere is called money laundering. They don't give you that security class everybody in the goddamn universe has to take about this? So way to go, puff fish. Behave like a know-it-all when you know diddly squat.

Nikolas is still a dumbass. 150% dumbass. He loses brain cells every freakin' day. 

Spencer and Sam finally had scenes together, which only took months to happen. I can't even express how ridiculous that hug looked. Everyone around KMo looks like Gulliver, which could be a reason they paired her with DZ. But I did like their scenes. It's nice to see characters who never interact get a chance to that. I didn't like the Carly/Sam scenes so much, though. I miss 10-15 years ago Sam when she would occasionally get in Carly and Sonny's faces and read them for filth. I miss the days when anyone would do that, actually. I miss cat poo in the brain Sam, shooting Sonny and shoving him in a hole to die.

Ava getting in Esme's face after she mentioned Avery and Kiki and telling her to keep their names out of her mouth, then raising an eyebrow at Esme's apology was so fun to watch! The day she finds out Esme is Ryan's daughter will probably be must-see soap. 

I'd like $10K a week, btw. 

Leo's birthday, but there were only adults there. I know the show didn't care about Leo's birthday and they were just using it to move Chase and BLQ forward (at snail pace), but a couple of children would have looked better than none at all.

Ned, just team up with Valentin. You owe the two stooges absolutely nothing. Valentin as CEO has done well by ELQ, so it's not like he's driving it into the ground or anything. 

Oh, great, Linc is back. Because we really needed that loser back on screen again. For a big shot music producer, he sure likes hanging in tiny town PC, and creeping on BLQ. His smarmy ass needs to be drowned in a tub of electric eels.

Edited May 17, 2022 by YaddaYadda

[Daisy]

11 minutes ago, statsgirl said:

If I were Ned, I would trust Valentin to keep his word more than I would trust Michael and Drew. Valentin is a businessman and he knows the way the world works. Michael and Drew are too arrogant to trust.

exactly. honestly. the more I hear about this merger -it sounds so stupid. whose idea as it anyway? like to me this benefits more Aurora than it does ELQ and the family should be more divided. 

Something that did make me laugh/smile was that Ned was trying not to be business after he came back to the party and Olivia's whole "too bad you don't have a wife who is there to be there for you OH WAIT." (I can't remember if he mentioned it was business but it's nice to see that Olivia does wanna have his back)

[racked]

42 minutes ago, Daisy said:

Not happy that Spencer told Sam but burned his relationship with Britt :(

 

I haven’t watched today yet but this bums me out to hear. I really really like NC and what he’s doing with Spencer, but the writers are just lazy about this whole storyline. His entire reason for not sharing with Trina is that she might tell Scott who might then use that in his case for Nina (?) as if attorney client privilege is some obscure legal artifact he’d never have heard of. 

35 minutes ago, DanaK said:

For those complaining about the pace of the storylines, I think this has been a problem for at least a year, if not more. I was complaining about Esme's storyline being of glacial pace a few months ago. If not doing a glacial pace, the writers suddenly finish up a storyline with a really weak ending (the Chase/Willow/Michael triangle), though the Sonny returns one has had some great stuff associated with it

Speaking of this pattern, was the whole Luke is dead in an accident , oh no maybe murdered storyline dropped? 

Edited May 17, 2022 by racked

[Daisy]

6 minutes ago, racked said:

Speaking of this pattern, was the whole Luke is dead in an accident , oh no maybe murdered storyline dropped? 

no. they blamed it on Jennifer Smith

In a way - i get the reason why this is dropped is because CS is recovering from surgery, but then other storylines should be picking up the pace

[CharethCutestory]

I enjoyed the Sam and Spencer scene. They're family, they should interact. I've always wanted to see Sam more involved with the Cassadines and moved away from the mob crew.  Unfortunately, Sam will most likely betray Spencer's trust within minutes and run straight to Carly and tell her everything. They really hit a home run casting NC. I don't think he's had a bad scene yet. Really talented young actor. 

Today has me leaning more towards Nik is playing Esme and he's not a total moron. Still moronic enough to not loop his own wife into his plans but not dumb/gross enough to fall for a nineteen year old. So like father like son. Except one is a middle aged man with this terrible plan and the other is a dopey teenager. AP is great at playing the creepy schemer though. She gives off Manson Family vibes. 

Maura went old school soap getting right up in Esme's face. I felt like I was back in the 90s for a second there! 

I want Ned to team up with Val to take down dumb and dumber, but I'm afraid no matter what he's going to be made the loser left out in the cold. 

Edited May 17, 2022 by CharethCutestory