Episode Discussion II: The TFGH

[statsgirl]

I can't get over how stupid this idea of Michael taking the kids on the run is. He is going to take them from their mother, their grandmothers, their extended family, their home, their nannies (because why would the nanny want to be on the run with him?), Wylie's school and friends, and a steady place to live not to mention leaving New Baby Daisy and not being able to watch her grow up all because Willow wants to move them to DC with her and Drew.  It's utterly idiotic. How much is that going to hurt Wylie and Amelia?  Does he think that they are living in a version of David Copperfield?

And Sonny and Jason are okay with it. Carly was the only voice of reason. Because she doesn't want to lose Michael and her grandkids, but still the voice of reason.

[ciarra]

13 minutes ago, statsgirl said:

I can't get over how stupid this idea of Michael taking the kids on the run is. 

I'd like to see Michael parent a day without a nanny.

[Cheyanne11]

Team No One in this custody battle.

[dubbel zout]

Everyone involved in this dumb case should be fined and/or sanctioned for the colossal waste of time and resources.

[Daisy]

3 minutes ago, dubbel zout said:

Everyone involved in this dumb case should be fined and/or sanctioned for the colossal waste of time and resources.

seriously. 

28 minutes ago, statsgirl said:

I can't get over how stupid this idea of Michael taking the kids on the run is. He is going to take them from their mother, their grandmothers, their extended family, their home, their nannies (because why would the nanny want to be on the run with him?), Wylie's school and friends, and a steady place to live not to mention leaving New Baby Daisy and not being able to watch her grow up all because Willow wants to move them to DC with her and Drew.  It's utterly idiotic. How much is that going to hurt Wylie and Amelia?  Does he think that they are living in a version of David Copperfield?

 

my hope is that Michael does take Baby Daisy (still bitter, yes I am). along with the kids, there's a big car accident, and only Michael survives. Sasha and Willow go ape on him and all three of them leave the show. 

[TVbitch]

I got the sense that JJ was saying goodbye for good today. He must have been steeling himself, cuz even I cried when Laura spontaneously let out that one gutteral sob. I think he's done. 

As for Lucky, I still find it ridiculous that he gave his Luke-built lake property to his friend, instead of giving it to his son (or Rocco or Liz or Lulu). Liz looked upset today when she realized she didn't even know about it. Of course Aiden doesn't want to go there right now. He's a teenager obsessed with school and friends and more exciting things. But later on in life he would come to really appreciate the lake house and want to be there. 

Did Lucky inherit a huge supply of cash from Luke that he can just travel the world all summer with his son? 

[Desperado]

I skipped the trial entirely- I don’t have the bandwidth for this much stupid.

GF had me in tears today, saying goodbye to JJ. Because that’s really what it was, beyond the characters. “We will love you, no matter where you go.” 😭😭 And the adorableness of baby Lucky and her kissing the pic. 😭😭

I don’t understand why the show couldn’t have them interact more, but then again, I didn’t want the character to be dumbed down to everyone’s current level either.

And as much as I like MEK, that was a bad trade for Laura.

[Daisy]

I am also going to say this. 
The show is stupid not to capitalize on Cynthia and Cam's chemistry.  They pop. 

[CeChase]

45 minutes ago, ciarra said:

I'd like to see Michael parent a day without a nanny.

Moma Carly would basically raise them, I'm sure. 

[Daisy]

1 minute ago, CeChase said:

Moma Carly would basically raise them, I'm sure. 

I don't think Michael put Carly in the itinerary. 

[CeChase]

6 minutes ago, Daisy said:

I am also going to say this. 
The show is stupid not to capitalize on Cynthia and Cam's chemistry.  They pop. 

They had a great thing going with those two, almost like a old-time film zany pair.  I found them very funny at times, and yeah, they had and have the chem.  But now Drew is ruined so...

[Daisy]

1 minute ago, CeChase said:

They had a great thing going with those two, almost like a old-time film zany pair.  I found them very funny at times, and yeah, they had and have the chem.  But now Drew is ruined so...

seriously. like even today Nina was going off on him, and Drew was like "Wiley heard what the judge needed him to hear so Willow could win custody." I am like...so are you going to like kiss now. like the tension was palatable. 

[statsgirl]

13 minutes ago, CeChase said:

Moma Carly would basically raise them, I'm sure. 

Carly didn't even take care of her own kids. Even Michael had a nanny from the time he was a baby, as well as Jason taking care of him.

Not to mention, good thing Michael is rich because he wouldn't be able to be the super duper CEO when he's on the run with his kids. Valentin could do it but Michael would be caught in a couple of months.

So stupid.

Edited June 11 by statsgirl

[PatsyandEddie]

GF always gets me in the middle of my soul when she cries. JJ was clearly affected. 

[DanaK]

It’s been bothering me that we don’t quite know what’s up with Drew trying to control Willow and I was contemplating it this afternoon. There’s the likelihood that he just controlling Willow because he’s controlling and will end up abusing her in an abuse storyline. But there’s an alternate possibility I started thinking about. What if Drew’s ultimate aim is to get custody of Wylie and Amelia in order to get their Quartermaine shares in order to get control of the company? Do the kids have Q shares? Did the document Willow signed to allow Drew to get custody of the kids (if Willow gets full custody of the kids) if something happened to Willow specify whether she had to be dead or could just be temporarily incapacitated? Do ya’ll think I’m way off base here?

[PatsyandEddie]

Sounds like a far better story than the writers will expect us to swallow. 

[Cheyanne11]

1 hour ago, Daisy said:

like even today Nina was going off on him, and Drew was like "Wiley heard what the judge needed him to hear so Willow could win custody." I am like...so are you going to like kiss now. like the tension was palatable. 

Blech.  Nina has had to deal with enough shit, that's just gross.

And Michael may be all kinds of wrong for all kinds of reason, but him saying Willow is totally brainwashed by Drew is spot on.  At this point Wiley could flat out tell her what happened and she'd still say he "didn't understand" what he heard.

[GHScorpiosRule]

1 hour ago, Desperado said:

GF had me in tears today, saying goodbye to JJ. Because that’s really what it was, beyond the characters. “We will love you, no matter where you go.” 😭😭 And the adorableness of baby Lucky and her kissing the pic. 😭😭

Oh GOD! Me too! This is more on the level of what I was expecting and Genie, JJ, and. Becky gave it. And when Laura kissed wee Lucky’s picture, I was lost.

And I got my kiss, and the heartfelt words, with tears. Anything else I have to say would be repetitive.

Okay, last time: Frank, Chris, Korte, and everyone else are dumb 💩💩💩💩💩💩.

Ironically? Today was 7 months and 1 day when Lucky/JJ and Laura/Genie reunited in the chapel.

FUCK YOU, FRANK.

[KittenPokerCheater]

So we know Michael will get custody of the kids now, since he's made this threat to kidnap his children if he doesn't get custody.

I think the actor who plays Michael is SUCH an improvement.  But both he and Drrew are so controlling that I feel like Willow needs to pull a Kelly Taylor and Choose herself for a year or two (but this is a soap, so I'll settle for three months).

I'll never understand why they brought JJ back and gave him no story.  It was a waste of everyone's time.

[GHScorpiosRule]

12 hours ago, KittenPokerCheater said:

Willow needs to pull a Kelly Taylor and Choose herself f

Except Kelly never chose herself! Within a month she was hooked up with Cokehead Colin. It was a great line, but that twaddletwat never followed through with it. She’s like Cujo-always needs a guy/man.

Edited June 12 by GHScorpiosRule

[Bringonthedrama]

2 hours ago, TVbitch said:

I got the sense that JJ was saying goodbye for good today. He must have been steeling himself, cuz even I cried when Laura spontaneously let out that one gutteral sob. I think he's done. 

As for Lucky, I still find it ridiculous that he gave his Luke-built lake property to his friend, instead of giving it to his son (or Rocco or Liz or Lulu). Liz looked upset today when she realized she didn't even know about it.

Did Lucky inherit a huge supply of cash from Luke that he can just travel the world all summer with his son? 

This is what I was thinking and wondering; you've articulated it better than I did. It's well-documented that JJ considers GF and TG to be the great acting mentors of his childhood. When JJ delivered Lucky's "thank you" lines to Laura today, it looked like he, JJ, was feeling emotional and trying not to break down as himself, thanking GF for how she worked with him when he started on the Show as a child and for their working relationship together now as adults, as well as Genie's/Laura's blessing to move on.

Elizabeth has every right to be upset about hearing about the cabin from Isaiah and that Lucky never talked to her about giving it away. The deed should be held in the family, for Luke's grandchildren when they're older. 

I also thought, there's no way he can afford to travel all summer from what he made at Charlie's from however many months he was working there. Did Luke leave him cash and not tell Tracy?

2 hours ago, Desperado said:

GF had me in tears today, saying goodbye to JJ. Because that’s really what it was, beyond the characters. “We will love you, no matter where you go.” 😭😭 And the adorableness of baby Lucky and her kissing the pic. 😭😭

Absolutely. It looked like her forever goodbye to Lucky, and JJ. Both GF and Laura will truly miss him.

I feel for GF. The actors who have played her eldest son, her sister-in-law/long-time friend, and her mother are all deceased now and JJ is mostly likely never coming back.

28 minutes ago, GHScorpiosRule said:

 and Genie, JJ, and. Becky gave it. And when Laura kissed wee Lucky’s picture, I was lost.

Ironically? Today was 7 months and 1 day when Lucky/JJ and Laura/Genie reunited in the chapel.

They really gave the sense of (final) closure for JJ and Lucky. If JJ returns, it will most likely be a cameo for either GF's retirement or BHerbst's. 

[sashabear21]

That was GF and JJ saying goodbye and it was so freaking upsetting.  He came back because he wanted to work with GF and Lucky ended up with 10 times more scenes with irritating basketcase Kristina than he did with his mom. I mean I guess it's better than laying on the floor staring at a pill for days on end, but that's about the nicest thing I can say about it. At this point I'm pretty sure my cat could poop a better story than what Frank and co. are putting out there.  All they want to write are babies, long lost secret family members, and custody stories and it's all so boring and repetitive.  

 

[Artsda]

The Lucky and Laura goodbye was great. Nice wanting to start in Amsterdam. 

Kai needs to mind his business. 

Drew says he's not the bad guy. He's worse type of person and Nina is onto him and he stupidly confessed. Only Willow blind fool. 

 

[Cheyanne11]

12 minutes ago, Artsda said:

Drew says he's not the bad guy. He's worse type of person and Nina is onto him and he stupidly confessed. Only Willow blind fool. 

If--and at this point I don't even fucking know, let alone care--Willow gets custody, I wonder if Wiley is going to start to act afraid of Drew and that might fire up a few of Willow's brain cells that have been in a coma.

Meh, who am I kidding?  Wiley will probably stupidly forget all about what Uncle Drew said.

[FilmTVGeek80]

3 hours ago, Daisy said:

I am also going to say this. 
The show is stupid not to capitalize on Cynthia and Cam's chemistry.  They pop. 

I lament this every time they’re onscreen together.

3 hours ago, CeChase said:

They had a great thing going with those two, almost like a old-time film zany pair.  I found them very funny at times, and yeah, they had and have the chem.  But now Drew is ruined so...

100% agree about the old-time zany vibe. They were starting to remind me of old school Kevin and Lucy. And then it was ruined and for what? The umpteenth plot to make the Corinthii look like they good guys. I don’t think even the writers know what the ultimate endgame is with this Drew/Willow clusterfuck. 

2 hours ago, DanaK said:

It’s been bothering me that we don’t quite know what’s up with Drew trying to control Willow and I was contemplating it this afternoon. There’s the likelihood that he just controlling Willow because he’s controlling and will end up abusing her in an abuse storyline. But there’s an alternate possibility I started thinking about. What if Drew’s ultimate aim is to get custody of Wylie and Amelia in order to get their Quartermaine shares in order to get control of the company? Do the kids have Q shares? Did the document Willow signed to allow Drew to get custody of the kids (if Willow gets full custody of the kids) if something happened to Willow specify whether she had to be dead or could just be temporarily incapacitated? Do ya’ll think I’m way off base here?

It doesn’t sound way off base, but it’s still so out of character for Drew to be that obsessed with ELQ to resort to these methods. And it seems like a convoluted plan to get your hands on a couple of shares which can probably easily be reversed in court. There have to be easier ways to go about that. 

1 hour ago, Cheyanne11 said:

And Michael may be all kinds of wrong for all kinds of reason, but him saying Willow is totally brainwashed by Drew is spot on.  At this point Wiley could flat out tell her what happened and she'd still say he "didn't understand" what he heard.

I don’t agree it’s spot on for many reasons. Firstly, Michael hasn’t even been around for months. Anything he’s heard about Willow is basically secondhand. Since he’s been back the two have barely had one conversation. He has no clue if she’s brainwashed. Him saying she’s brainwashed is him justifying acting like his kids are in mortal danger when they’re not. 
 

People - onscreen and off - keep saying she’s brainwashed, but I don’t see it. Is she being manipulated by Drew? Yeah. Does she follow his lead & agree with him a lot? Yeah. But, I don’t think she’s mindless or brainwashed. Even Drew doesn’t think that. If he did he wouldn’t resort to tactics like lying to Wiley or bribing that hospital worker to tell Willow that Michael didn’t want to see her in Germany. Everyone keeps screaming in her face that she’s a brainwashed idiot (which is not a tactic that makes most people open to hearing your other points) or that Drew is a creep, but they’re giving her nothing to prove that. Michael comes storming into the courthouse spitting out about what Wiley overheard and barely gives Willow time to react. Why would she believe Michael- who has lied to her multiple times - over Drew? Who, as far as Willow knows, has never lied to her. Even if Wiley tells her what he heard and she assumes he misunderstood that wouldn’t be crazy. Kids misunderstand adult conversations all the time. The one time Willow saw something with her own eyes - Drew with Jacinda - she was willing to break it off. Drew wasn’t able to explain it away and she didn’t take him at his word. She needed a literal blood test to believe him. Once the blood test confirmed his story, she regretted doubting him. One of the many reasons why Nina’s drugging Drew was so dumb is she just reinforced for Willow that Drew is the only one who has never lied to her.

[Sake614]

15 minutes ago, FilmTVGeek80 said:

The one time Willow saw something with her own eyes - Drew with Jacinda - she was willing to break it off. Drew wasn’t able to explain it away and she didn’t take him at his word. She needed a literal blood test to believe him. Once the blood test confirmed his story, she regretted doubting him.

And I still don’t get why she forgave him so easily? Okay so he was drugged. But the drug did NOT make him do body shots off a hooker. He did that all by himself. So what if he doesn’t remember it. So what if he was drugged. He did all of that willingly. And the blood test only showed there were drugs in his system not that he didn’t take them on his own.

[KerleyQ]

5 hours ago, ciarra said:

I'd like to see Michael parent a day without a nanny.

I was surprised he didn't want Sasha and Daisy to go with, so Sasha could take care of all the kids. 

I saw it the other day, and I'm seeing it again today, Willow and NuMichael have some kind of spark. Even playing polite detachment, it's there. 

The Lucky scenes today were so good. You could see all of the emotion pouring out of JJ, BH, and GF.  Fuck this show for ruining all of that magic. I have no hope of JJ coming back for any length of time unless there's a regime change (which seems insanely unlikely as long as Frank keeps the show on budget), but they had damn well better get JJ back for a day or two if BH ever decides to leave the show. 

[ByaNose]

I guess Willow gets custody for now but I guess (and, hoping) Drew gets murdered which will the. keep Willow in Port Charles in the end. This way Nina can rub it in Carly’s face but also dread that Drew is still in the picture…..for now.

It was interesting to see Elizabeth totally out of the loop and annoyed about Lucky giving away the cabin. Which begs me to ask. Have we seen this cabin before? I was surprised they had AARP Aiden on the show today. I just assumed they’d have him already on the plane waiting for Lucky to join him. I can’t believe FV was willing to spend the money on him for that 5 minute scene. I guess we’ll see in September if Aiden returns, stays abroad or comes back with a new face. 

I totally caught Maurice looking off stage again at the cue cards but I think he was surprised they went back to him so fast because his eyes got wide. It’s funny how he always looks off to his left but never his right. Hence my thought he uses cue cards but it’s on the down low and cast member will shot on sight if they divulge it. Maybe, that’s what happened to Adam Harrington who played John Cates. LOL!!!

See everyone at the courthouse tomorrow for the verdict. 

[graight]

Will we have a whodunnit with Drew getting killed?  So many people have motives: Curtis, Michael, Jason (for Michael), Carly,  Portia, Nina, Sonny.  It will solve the whole custody thing if Drew dies. Michael might still think Willow has poor judgement but at least the true villain won't be around his kids.

[sacrebleu]

8 hours ago, FilmTVGeek80 said:

 

I don’t agree it’s spot on for many reasons. Firstly, Michael hasn’t even been around for months. Anything he’s heard about Willow is basically secondhand. Since he’s been back the two have barely had one conversation. He has no clue if she’s brainwashed. Him saying she’s brainwashed is him justifying acting like his kids are in mortal danger when they’re not. 
 

This right here. I wish Willow or Nina or Drew would verbalize this. This is what the Corinthi do to justify their scorched earth tactics... They convince themselves that their adversary is the worst evil evah!

They did it to Nina, Jagger, now it's Drew and Willow's turn. Hell, they do it to each other (Carly to Sonny during custody battles, and when they were pissed about Sonny and Nina, Michael planted a mole in Sonny's org to send him to jail, and as Ric pointed out, the custody battle over Avery) 

[DanaK]

9 hours ago, FilmTVGeek80 said:

It doesn’t sound way off base, but it’s still so out of character for Drew to be that obsessed with ELQ to resort to these methods. And it seems like a convoluted plan to get your hands on a couple of shares which can probably easily be reversed in court. There have to be easier ways to go about that. 

Yes it sounds out of character for Drew, but then so does threatening to bulldoze his family’s crypt with the bodies still inside, making sure Wiley overheard him saying Michael didn’t care about his kids, or trying to control Willow. I don’t know where they are going with Drew and why he’s acting the way he is

9 hours ago, FilmTVGeek80 said:

I don’t think even the writers know what the ultimate endgame is with this Drew/Willow clusterfuck. 

You may be right there lol

[ljr]

What kind of a magazine or newspaper is aurora? Does Curtis only run stores about Drew?

With Lois gone who is the face of deception?

Felicia how do you feel about moonlighting? My thought was I love that show . Bruce Willis and cybil

shephard!

[30 Helens]

On 6/11/2025 at 5:59 AM, CeChase said:

 I hate what they're doing to Cody.  The actor is hot and has some charisma.  I like him with Molly and was looking forward to that.  It's so annoyng.

Agreed. The writers seemingly can’t decide whether Cody is a fundamentally good, misunderstood low-key hero or a spineless con artist, easily manipulated into a quick-cash scheme. They make it very hard to root for him, although I really want to.

And speaking of character assassination, WHAT are they doing to Kristina?  I finally liked her when Kate Mansi joined the cast, because the character gained some maturity and confidence. But now she’s just an impulsive, reactive mess who can’t go 2 seconds without doing something stupid. And just like that, I’m back to hating Kristina again.

19 hours ago, YaddaYadda said:

Kai, why are you even here? 

So he and Trina can have opposing opinions about Drew, of course. Because that would definitely be the sole topic of conversation between two young adults who are falling in love. 🙄 So boring, and it’s totally dragging Trina down.

I’m glad to see I’m not the only one wondering why Willow doesn’t TALK TO WILEY, ALREADY. It would be so easy to clear up what he did or didn’t hear, and the fact that she hasn’t even considered it makes her look like an idiot.

But I will concede that I haven’t hated the recent Willow/ Michael scenes, in or out of the courtroom. NuMichael is SUCH an improvement, and makes everyone in his orbit better.

Was JJ really here for 9 whole months?? It seems like so much less, probably because I can’t think of 3 substantial things he did while he was here. What a waste.

I wonder how old Aiden will be when he returns.

[lala2]

15 hours ago, Daisy said:

The show is stupid not to capitalize on Cynthia and Cam's chemistry.  They pop. 

I will never understand why we lost Drina for Drillow. That was such a classic "hate to love" story, and the chemistry btw CM and CW was off the charts! There was no chemistry w/him and LW. I was happy they ended and Drina started. I loved all their sex romps, and I couldn't wait to see them really fall for each other. Why that was stopped for Drillow will never make any sense to me!  CM and KaMac don't have any chemistry, and their attraction to each other came out of literal nowhere. I know folks were speculating she was crushing on him, but I never saw it. And GH refuses to tell a story so I never saw any buildup. We could have at least seen them working together and having some tense moments or something. Granted, I never paid attn to Willow scenes, but her complimenting him or thanking him for saving her didn't translate to her falling in love w/him for me. I needed more story than what we got. 

And that brings me to my next point - I will be the outlier here and say I do want an explanation for Drew's behavior. I'm not accepting he just turned "evil" one day. I want a story, and if it has to go supernatural (he's mind controlled by a deck of cards, he's Shiloh in a Drew mask) or medical (he has tumor/brain bleed, etc) . . . . fine. I don't care. I want to know why Drew is the way he is now. That's storytelling 101. Why does he suddenly hate the Qs? Hate them enough to crush their bones. Why does he suddenly hate Michael? What did Michael ever do to him? Granted, Drew never liked Jason but he didn't hate Jason or Sonny. There has to be a REASON for all this. All versions of Drew have shown him as a fairly decent guy - BM's Drew, FrankenDrew, CM's early Drew. None of these versions were complete a-holes. I know some don't want an explanation to "get him out of this" but I feel it's necessary. I saw this movie called "Shot Caller" I think . . . anyway, some preppy dude goes to jail b/c he drove drunk one night and killed someone. We see his wife see the changes in him as she goes to various hearings. He goes from a scared dude to a tatted up gang leader! The movie explains the change in his character. Soaps are on 5 days a week. If Drew just suddenly changed, there's been plenty of time to explain it. It can't be b/c he fell in love w/Willow or the Qs got mad at him. None of that is true to the character. 

I know some don't like it and don't want it, but I would accept him being brainwashed or mind controlled. I could have accepted him just changing but a better story would have needed to be told, IMO. 

Edited June 12 by lala2

[DanaK]

2 hours ago, lala2 said:

And that brings me to my next point - I will be the outlier here and say I do want an explanation for Drew's behavior.

You aren’t the only one who wants to know what’s up with Drew. It annoys me that we don’t know what his ultimate plan is, if he has one. I would prefer the explanation to be down to earth but I want something

Edited June 12 by DanaK

[Sake614]

1 hour ago, 30 Helens said:

I’m glad to see I’m not the only one wondering why Willow doesn’t TALK TO WILEY, ALREADY. It would be so easy to clear up what he did or didn’t hear, and the fact that she hasn’t even considered it makes her look like an idiot.

She wouldn’t believe him anyway. She’d just say that he’s repeating what Michael or Carly or Joss or Sonny or anyone else in Michael’s family told him. She already said as much. ‘Drew would never say such a thing. It must’ve been something someone in Michael’s family said.’ She won’t believe anything bad about Drew because she loves him and he’s ’a kind, wonderful man who would never do anything to hurt me or my children.’

[Cheyanne11]

11 minutes ago, Sake614 said:

She wouldn’t believe him anyway. She’d just say that he’s repeating what Michael or Carly or Joss or Sonny or anyone else in Michael’s family told him. She already said as much. ‘Drew would never say such a thing. It must’ve been something someone in Michael’s family said.’ She won’t believe anything bad about Drew because she loves him and he’s ’a kind, wonderful man who would never do anything to hurt me or my children.’

I wish Lucas would mention something to her.  He knows Wiley was just sitting by himself and then suddenly despondent.  

[Daisy]

17 minutes ago, Cheyanne11 said:

I wish Lucas would mention something to her.  He knows Wiley was just sitting by himself and then suddenly despondent.  

yeah but Lucas is also Michael/Carly's family so same paint brush

[Cheyanne11]

4 minutes ago, Daisy said:

yeah but Lucas is also Michael/Carly's family so same paint brush

Mmm, not really, though.  She and Lucas have a good relationship and there's zero reason for him to lie.  And him bringing it up first would be like 'well, how would he know that Michael perpetuated this lie?"

Edited June 12 by Cheyanne11

[Daisy]

10 minutes ago, Cheyanne11 said:

Mmm, not really, though.  She and Lucas have a good relationship and there's zero reason for him to lie.  And him bringing it up first would be like 'well, how would he know that Michael perpetuated this lie?"

oh i didn't know they were friends. yeah true. if Lucas said it first it would burst a bubble (you'd think)

 

57 minutes ago, DanaK said:

You aren’t the only one who wants to know what’s up with Drew. It annoys me that we don’t know what’s his ultimate plan is if he has one. I would prefer the explanation to be down to earth but I want something

the same. a LOT of people want him to be shiloh and i'm not getting that. 

[Cheyanne11]

2 minutes ago, Daisy said:

if Lucas said it first it would burst a bubble (you'd think)

I don't have a ton of faith it would immediately, because, history.  But it might plant a seedling in that addled brain of hers, lol.

[dubbel zout]

7 hours ago, graight said:

Will we have a whodunnit with Drew getting killed?  So many people have motives: Curtis, Michael, Jason (for Michael), Carly,  Portia, Nina, Sonny. 

Will anyone care? It's sort of a "Murder on the Orient Express" situation: The deceased was such a bad person that you can't blame people for stabbing him to death.

3 hours ago, ljr said:

What kind of a magazine or newspaper is aurora?

It's a media company with at least two outlets: Crimson and the Invader.

2 hours ago, lala2 said:

I know some don't like it and don't want it, but I would accept him being brainwashed or mind controlled.

He was brainwashed/mind-controlled for a while by Victor, I think? He was controlled by some face card and/or a phrase. Was that ever totally resolved?

1 hour ago, Cheyanne11 said:

1 hour ago, Daisy said:

if Lucas said it first it would burst a bubble (you'd think)

I don't have a ton of faith it would immediately, because, history.  But it might plant a seedling in that addled brain of hers, lol.

Willow still doesn't seem totally on board for a move to D.C., so maybe that and a comment from Lucas would wake her up. Unlikely, but a girl can dream.

[Noneofyourbusiness]

17 hours ago, statsgirl said:

(because why would the nanny want to be on the run with him?)

For (Dr Evil voice) one million dollars.

17 hours ago, statsgirl said:

their home, their nannies (because why would the nanny want to be on the run with him?), Wylie's school and friends

They'll also be taken from those things if they move to D.C....

And it's not just because of that, it's because Drew has already shown a willingness to deliberately hurt Wiley's feelings to get what he wants. If I were a parent, I would be afraid what he might do in the future, too.

15 hours ago, GHScorpiosRule said:

Oh GOD! Me too! This is more on the level of what I was expecting and Genie, JJ, and. Becky gave it. And when Laura kissed wee Lucky’s picture, I was lost.

Clearly they could have done more of this all along.

14 hours ago, Bringonthedrama said:

The deed should be held in the family, for Luke's grandchildren when they're older. 

Well, at least Isaiah can technically still give it to them.

14 hours ago, Artsda said:

Drew says he's not the bad guy. He's worse type of person and Nina is onto him and he stupidly confessed. Only Willow blind fool. 

He also talked about it in the court room with Ric at the end of the other day's episode. If only someone had thought of bugging him.

3 hours ago, 30 Helens said:

I’m glad to see I’m not the only one wondering why Willow doesn’t TALK TO WILEY, ALREADY. It would be so easy to clear up what he did or didn’t hear, and the fact that she hasn’t even considered it makes her look like an idiot.

Maybe she subconsciously is avoiding the possibility of her bubble being burst.

[lala2]

40 minutes ago, dubbel zout said:

He was brainwashed/mind-controlled for a while by Victor, I think? He was controlled by some face card and/or a phrase. Was that ever totally resolved?

No, it was never resolved. Victor had a card that controlled him, but that plot was just dropped. I also think Dante was still under brainwashing IIRC. That was also dropped. 

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Willow doesn't talk to Wiley b/c that would be too logical. Much of this Millow beef could be squashed w/a conversation, but the show refuses to have them speak or ask the right questions. It's silly and makes no sense. They treat the audience like idiots. That's why I'm FFing/muting this story. I'm not at all interested in this drawn out custody drama. 

[Desperado]

3 hours ago, lala2 said:

I will never understand why we lost Drina for Drillow. That was such a classic "hate to love" story, and the chemistry btw CM and CW was off the charts! There was no chemistry w/him and LW. I was happy they ended and Drina started. I loved all their sex romps, and I couldn't wait to see them really fall for each other. Why that was stopped for Drillow will never make any sense to me!  CM and KaMac don't have any chemistry, and their attraction to each other came out of literal nowhere. I know folks were speculating she was crushing on him, but I never saw it. And GH refuses to tell a story so I never saw any buildup. We could have at least seen them working together and having some tense moments or something. Granted, I never paid attn to Willow scenes, but her complimenting him or thanking him for saving her didn't translate to her falling in love w/him for me. I needed more story than what we got. 
 

I wholeheartedly agree. The only reason I see is that they wanted to pair him with a young woman, CM does look amazing but that shows how much they don’t understand their audience. I’ll take fully dressed sexy sparks any day over clinical bedroom scenes.

3 hours ago, lala2 said:

And that brings me to my next point - I will be the outlier here and say I do want an explanation for Drew's behavior. I'm not accepting he just turned "evil" one day. I want a story, and if it has to go supernatural (he's mind controlled by a deck of cards, he's Shiloh in a Drew mask) or medical (he has tumor/brain bleed, etc) . . . . fine. I don't care. I want to know why Drew is the way he is now. That's storytelling 101. Why does he suddenly hate the Qs? Hate them enough to crush their bones. Why does he suddenly hate Michael? What did Michael ever do to him? Granted, Drew never liked Jason but he didn't hate Jason or Sonny. There has to be a REASON for all this. All versions of Drew have shown him as a fairly decent guy - BM's Drew, FrankenDrew, CM's early Drew. None of these versions were complete a-holes. I know some don't want an explanation to "get him out of this" but I feel it's necessary. I saw this movie called "Shot Caller" I think . . . anyway, some preppy dude goes to jail b/c he drove drunk one night and killed someone. We see his wife see the changes in him as she goes to various hearings. He goes from a scared dude to a tatted up gang leader! The movie explains the change in his character. Soaps are on 5 days a week. If Drew just suddenly changed, there's been plenty of time to explain it. It can't be b/c he fell in love w/Willow or the Qs got mad at him. None of that is true to the character. 

I know some don't like it and don't want it, but I would accept him being brainwashed or mind controlled. I could have accepted him just changing but a better story would have needed to be told, IMO. 

I want a big reason too. Come to think of it, they dumbed down Willow so much, I would like to see on screen a reason for her infatuation too, especially believing Drew over her kids.

[statsgirl]

6 hours ago, sacrebleu said:

This right here. I wish Willow or Nina or Drew would verbalize this. This is what the Corinthi do to justify their scorched earth tactics... They convince themselves that their adversary is the worst evil evah!

They did it to Nina, Jagger, now it's Drew and Willow's turn. Hell, they do it to each other (Carly to Sonny during custody battles, and when they were pissed about Sonny and Nina, Michael planted a mole in Sonny's org to send him to jail, and as Ric pointed out, the custody battle over Avery) 

There should be a DMS diagnosis for this.

3 hours ago, Sake614 said:

She wouldn’t believe him anyway. She’d just say that he’s repeating what Michael or Carly or Joss or Sonny or anyone else in Michael’s family told him. 

Quite possibly. But the bare minimum of mothering should be that if Willow is told that Wylie is upset she goes to talk to him and find out why. If she really feels that he is mistaken, she can allay his concerns.

But it`s just nuts that she never checks with Wylie to make sure that he is doing okay.

48 minutes ago, Noneofyourbusiness said:

They'll also be taken from those things if they move to D.C....

The nannies may be willing to move, or Willow can be a SAH mother since she would be leaving her job.

But if they stay with Willow, the kids would visit their extended family, and the famly would visit them, and they could have online meetings. And it`s the same language and the same country, only an hour or so away, and steady residences. What Michael is proposing is to take them away from all the family except himself, to a foreign country and most likely foreign language, and to always be on the run because Willow and Nina will be hiring investigators to try to find him. Just as Wylie starts to make new friends, his father yanks them away again.

He says that he wants what is best for his children but it is not this. As @sacrebleu said, this is another example of convincing himself that the other guy is the evilest evil to ever evil.

[MarciNJ]

4 hours ago, 30 Helens said:

I wonder how old Aiden will be when he returns

nothing against the actor who plays Aiden, but I hope they re-cast with someone younger.

[Cheyanne11]

13 minutes ago, statsgirl said:

But if they stay with Willow, the kids would visit their extended family, and the famly would visit them, and they could have online meetings.

Michael's plan is absurd, for sure, but I think DREW'S plan is to spirit them all away to D.C. and at the very least give them minimal contact with the extended family HE deems detrimental to HIS best interests.  And I know I'm beating the same drum, but this is mainly him driving this bus.  Willow's agency in all this is shaky, at best, as she is bending to everything Drew says.  Every now and then there's a flicker of doubt in her eyes, but that quickly fades.  

#TeamSendTheKidsToBoardingSchool

[VioletMarx]

16 hours ago, Bringonthedrama said:

They really gave the sense of (final) closure for JJ and Lucky. If JJ returns, it will most likely be a cameo for either GF's retirement or BHerbst's. 

JJ actually says in this interview that although he understands if they must, he prefers they not recast as he would like the door open for himself.

"That’s their decision, but obviously, I would prefer that it’s just left open so that I could hopefully come back and do more work there."

https://www.tvinsider.com/1196560/general-hospital-lucky-spencer-recast-jonathan-jackson-leaving/

[GHScorpiosRule]

I'm wondering if Cameron Mathison knew this was the road Korte and Vanwhat'shisface were going to take when he said months ago that Drew and Willow's story was the "most romantic" ever or something along those lines. About it being epic.

Really? Seriously? He thinks this is the most wondrous love story for the ages? He's been nothing but manipulative and controlling. To the point where he's so fearful that Willow and the SLS  might come to a consensus, he bribes the receptionist at the Germany facility, because she told him she wanted to go alone and not make it a romantic getaway. He set up her child to overhear a LIE because again, it looked like things were thawing. And he LIED to her FACE when she sort of asked, he wouldn't DO anything like that, would he? And the FACT that he couldn't look her in the eyes/face when he denied it, didn't even raise any flags.

And how he's talking about moving to DC? DUDE, your ass should have already bought or rented a place there, because your ASS needs to be in DC for you to do your fucking job. That he's only gone there to be sworn in is beyond stupidity, even for this show. He's done JACK SHIT for those that voted for him, and has been acting like he ran in a local election, instead of national. He's got no sway, no connections, nada. But this show being what it is, of course we'll learn he's bought off so many who owe him favors, blah, blah, blah.

And I've clearly put too much thought into this.

Ciao, y'all. with JJ gone, I'm headed to the Barge.