Episode Discussion II: The TFGH

[dubbel zout]

1 hour ago, boes said:

2 hours ago, JMO said:

Gio was obviously nurtured, by his deceased adoptive mom and the two women who were just banished from the land. 

Was he?  Plenty of people grow up to be good and caring adults who start out with less than stellar childhoods.  Also, has it ever been established who Gio lived with after Camilla died?  Was it with Lois or with Gloria?  I've heard a lot about "the neighborhood", and "everyone" loving Gio but who did the day to day stuff?

We've been told over and over that Gio had a happy upbringing, save for the obvious trauma of Camille dying. After that he lived with maybe Gloria and Carmine? I don't remember specifically who, but they were definitely Cerullo relatives. He was 12, so there had to be some sort of guardianship (formal or otherwise) in place. He wasn't bounced around from house to house in the neighborhood, as fine as those people are. (*rme*)

Before the reveal, Gio himself aid he had a happy childhood (aside from Camilla's death, of course) so I don't know how we aren't supposed to take that as canon.

Edited Wednesday at 04:42 PM by dubbel zout

[boes]

16 minutes ago, dubbel zout said:

We've been told over and over that Gio had a happy upbringing, save for the obvious trauma of Camille dying. After that he lived with maybe Gloria and Carmine? I don't remember specifically who, but they were definitely Cerullo relatives. He was 12, so there had to be some sort of guardianship (formal or otherwise) in place. He wasn't bounced around from house to house in the neighborhood, as fine as those people are. (*rme*)

Before the reveal, Gio himself aid he had a happy childhood (aside from Camilla's death, of course) so I don't know how we aren't supposed to take that as canon.

Okay.  You know more about Gio's background than I do, obviously.

I know that if I'd had to live with Gloria I would have taken to the hard stuff by pre-school.

[Cheyanne11]

Thinking back to the fact that Lois, last year, just up and brings Gio to live with the family she deemed too awful to know of his existence and still never planned on telling anyone?  Sociopathic behavior.

[dubbel zout]

1 hour ago, Daisy said:

1 hour ago, boes said:

Gloria, in particular, immediately lost me with how she tried to shut down Brooklyn, mute her, with that "How dare you speak to your mother that way" b.s.

honestly that's true to form for a lot of cultures. as old as I am, if I sass my mom, I get clap back, and my mom always says that she could never sass her mom, regardless of what the situation was. (now i mean it wasn't anything. this big but you can't sass your mama lol).

I think if you've colluded with your daughter to lie to your granddaughter about what happened to the kid she gave up for adoption, you've both forfeited any right not to be talked back to.

Edited Wednesday at 05:37 PM by dubbel zout

[Noneofyourbusiness]

1 hour ago, Sake614 said:

Yeah okay but it still should be asked of Michael. We know he’ll just lie or somehow justify his behavior but it should still come out in cross examination.  

For a moment, I read that as "come out in cross abomination", lol.

37 minutes ago, Cheyanne11 said:

Thinking back to the fact that Lois, last year, just up and brings Gio to live with the family she deemed too awful to know of his existence and still never planned on telling anyone?  Sociopathic behavior.

Or just weird. Like, one doesn't have to be a fan of the Quartermaines, but if they're so awful, why are you free-loading off of them and bringing Gio to live in their mansion?

Edited Wednesday at 05:43 PM by Noneofyourbusiness

[Sake614]

2 minutes ago, Noneofyourbusiness said:

For a moment, I read that as "come out in cross abomination", lol.

Well it probably will be an abomination lol!

[Noneofyourbusiness]

2 minutes ago, Sake614 said:

Well it probably will be an abomination lol!

But what do we expect from a trial where one of the parties' lawyer is the adoptive uncle of the other party and no one raises the conflict of interest? Not too long after the same lawyer represented the plaintiff in a case about the death of his daughter's baby who was being carried by his niece.

Edited Wednesday at 05:48 PM by Noneofyourbusiness

[GHScorpiosRule]

1 hour ago, Noneofyourbusiness said:

But what do we expect from a trial where one of the parties' lawyer is the adoptive uncle of the other party and no one raises the conflict of interest? Not too long after the same lawyer represented the plaintiff in a case about the death of his daughter's baby who was being carried by his niece.

This is par for the course for this show. We had Scotty, acting ADA, prosecuting...Lulu? for the murder of his son, whose name is escaping me now; Epiphany, Edward, and Coleman were on the jury for the SLS's murder trial of Claudia. There were others too, but I'm blanking on them. 

It didn't used to be this way. Late 80s, early 90s, there was some semblance of reality. I remember the first murder trial of Kevin, when Lucy was first introduced. That was some good soap. Jake was awesome. Until he wasn't when he boinked Lucy.

Edited Wednesday at 07:28 PM by GHScorpiosRule

[dubbel zout]

1 minute ago, GHScorpiosRule said:

his son, whose name is escaping me now

The atomically hot Logan.

[GHScorpiosRule]

3 minutes ago, dubbel zout said:

The atomically hot Logan.

Thanks @dubbel zout! I knew it was some Irish name! Hee.

[ciarra]

6 hours ago, YaddaYadda said:

Dalton sure is a creeper. The way he was looking at Emma was so very gross.

Dude looks (and sounds) like Elon Musk. 

[rur]

7 hours ago, YaddaYadda said:

Dalton sure is a creeper. The way he was looking at Emma was so very gross.

By the end of the episode, Emma was certainly playing up the possible attraction. It got me wondering if she might be working for the DVX. Her behavior screamed "honey trap" to me. 

[GHScorpiosRule]

1 minute ago, rur said:

By the end of the episode, Emma was certainly playing up the possible attraction. It got me wondering if she might be working for the DVX. Her behavior screamed "honey trap" to me. 

Or to find a way for him to toss Mini-Cujo from the research project, so she can be put on it. Her plan has always been to "get him" as he was abusing animals back at Berkley when she was there. But Mini-Cujo sabotaged her work, so now she can't make him pay.

[mostlylurking]

LMAO when Joss said Willow told her nothing was more important than Willow’s relationship with Drew even Drew’s expression was like “Girl WHAT?!”  That was unintentionally hilarious.

[PatsyandEddie]

Does anyone else think that the last part of Sasha’s questioning was a daydream sequence? Just the way she was acting made me think she’s going to fake labour to get out of answering. 

[GHScorpiosRule]

Just now, PatsyandEddie said:

Does anyone else think that the last part of Sasha’s questioning was a daydream sequence? Just the way she was acting made me think she’s going to fake labour to get out of answering. 

If it is, then the spoiler video touting the "TRIAL OF THE SUMMER" (SPARE ME) video that was posted in the media thread is a fake out. She'll probably yell out the SLS's name and their sekrit will be exposed!

[mostlylurking]

2 hours ago, Noneofyourbusiness said:

2 hours ago, Cheyanne11 said:

Thinking back to the fact that Lois, last year, just up and brings Gio to live with the family she deemed too awful to know of his existence and still never planned on telling anyone?  Sociopathic behavior.

Or just weird. Like, one doesn't have to be a fan of the Quartermaines, but if they're so awful, why are you free-loading off of them and bringing Gio to live in their mansion?

Most likely the writers had no idea what they wanted to do with Gio at first and decided on this gem of a retcon for some reason.  But yeah, if we’re going with Lois knew the whole time she is nothing but a complete sociopath.

I do agree with Michael about Willow being traumatized by her cult upbringing, but what he left out was that he also benefited from her not being able to think for herself.  He’s just pissed that now someone else is pulling her strings.  But does Willow need some serious therapy and deprograming?  Also yes.

[Daisy]

Lulu: I'm not the one who gave up Gio for adoption. 
me: THAT'S NOT A BAD THING, STOP MAKING IT SOUND LIKE IT IS

Joss's smug "Oh yeah, I remember willow saying nothing means more to her than Drewwwww." like. shut up. 

Michael, why not say the first time you married willow you had zero love for her and you only married her so you could get custody of your son from your ex wife? and the only reason you "fell in wuv" was because you were screwing her behind your dying best friend's back. 

Also, also SHE BENT TO YOUR AND CARLY'S WILL. every time she wanted to forgive Nina, every time she wanted to make peace, and try to bury the hatchet you and Carly bitched and whined and complained. Oh my God Show. ME. PEPPERIDGE FARMS. I REMEMBER. 

Willow: i want to make sure our daughter is healthy.
Michael: well she had excuses. 

thank you ric for finally bringing up the growing up angle. (I would have brought up Morgan's blow up too. yes I am that petty and it's too bad that Willow can't bring up the fact that Michael bribed the DA about sonny's case). 

Sasha folded over so cheaply. like bruh, even your horrified look sold you out before you opened your mouth. I love how Carly was like oh crap though lmao. and Sasha "you're a disgusting creep," because you know Ric is asking you to tell the truth when you were judging willow for the exact same thing you did. Stay Awesome Sasha. 

 

[statsgirl]

 I did not miss Jack Brennan one little bit. I happily forgot that he was even on the show. And oh look, now he's lying to Anna that he doesn't know who Dalton is when he recruited Joss specifically to spy on him.

If Dalton is working on cold fusion, how is he working with higher animals like Emma said? The two have nothing to do with each other.

I hate these fake custody cases where the Corinthos family always win. When Michael said that Willow did not tell him about her cancer because she such a damaged person, Ric should have asked "Could she have been afraid that you would force her into a decision that she didn't want to do?"  But more that that, the judge should not have let Michael testify as to Willow's mental health.

I also hate that Carly and Joss get to snark at Nina's testimony but no one is allowed to at theirs. Why can Diane tell Nina that she is merely speculating but Michael's non-professional psych assessment of Willow goes unchallenged?

Ric getting Sasha to admit that Michael is her baby daddy was satisgying

7 hours ago, dubbel zout said:

Seriously. Dante lit into Gio for a very specific reason, not because Dante generally hates Gio. 

While there may have been some justification, the way Dante went over the top with it was ridiculous. Knowing Dante to be generally a stand-up guy who was willing to be a dad to Sam's kids even after her death, Gio has a justified belief that Dante hates him personally.

5 hours ago, JMO said:

Not joining in for the Lois/Gloria pile on.  I don’t think they should ever have just dumped the information on her, but yes, of course it would have been good for them to sound out BL on whether she’d ever wondered about the baby she’d given up at some point along the way, to assess her openness to it. 

Now you're thinking logically, often a road block with this show.

For all that she is saying now that she gave Gio to Camilla because it was the only way to ensure that he was in a good him, Lois earlier said that she did it because she could not bear to lose Gio, i.e. give him to strangers to raise. That she held on to Gio inspite of Brook Lynn's wishes and even more guaranteed herself and her mother the joy of first seeing him raised and them raising him themselves without ever planning to tell either Brook Lynn or Dante of his existence and that he is so near, puts her beyond redemption for me.

4 hours ago, kitmerlot1213 said:

How long is it going to be before Joss is outed for not knowing the subject she's supposed to be working in? 

Joss is so awesome, she's going to pick that stuff up right away with no problem. She is a Carly spawn after all. (#SaveDonna)

1 hour ago, Noneofyourbusiness said:

Or just weird. Like, one doesn't have to be a fan of the Quartermaines, but if they're so awful, why are you free-loading off of them and bringing Gio to live in their mansion?

That's So Lois. No problem taking their money and room while constantly badmouthing them.

 

[dubbel zout]

The MetroCourt lifeguard uniforms for me are hideous. Gio looked like an old-timey prisoner.

I know I'm supposed to squee at Lucky and Elizabeth, but I can't. I feel like he's trying to get her to forget about him lying for Kristina, and when he talked about them being kids, I thought, "You're not kids anymore, Lucky. You need to have an adult relationship with Elizabeth now." This whole thing feels mildly manipulative to me. Thank Jasus Elizabeth said no to the proposal. Someone has a brain.

4 minutes ago, rur said:

It got me wondering if she might be working for the DVX. Her behavior screamed "honey trap" to me. 

I hope she's WSB but has a different boss who hasn't clued in Brennan.

I had to laugh at Diane emphasizing Michael had third-degree burns over 40 percent of his body. That just shows how serious the bombing of Sonny's penthouse was.

5 minutes ago, Daisy said:

Sasha folded over so cheaply.

She really did. I laughed, it was so stupid. Of course the truth would come out. She just watched Gio's life get blown apart; why did she think hers wouldn't?

[DanaK]

Interesting cliffhanger. Sasha revealing in court that Michael is her baby’s father seems a little soon, but definitely soapy

[FilmTVGeek80]

24 minutes ago, Daisy said:

thank you ric for finally bringing up the growing up angle. (I would have brought up Morgan's blow up too. yes I am that petty and it's too bad that Willow can't bring up the fact that Michael bribed the DA about sonny's case). 

Sasha folded over so cheaply. like bruh, even your horrified look sold you out before you opened your mouth. I love how Carly was like oh crap though lmao. and Sasha "you're a disgusting creep," because you know Ric is asking you to tell the truth when you were judging willow for the exact same thing you did. Stay Awesome Sasha. 

I was also glad he brought up Michael taking Avery. I was cheering him on at the time, but it does show he’s not above using custody battles as revenge and how wishy-washy he can be since he changed his mind only a few months later.

Shut up, Sasha. Ric may be creepy at times, but he was doing his job. It’s okay for Diane to drag Willow’s character across the coals, but how dare Ric do his job just as ruthlessly. And, if looks could kill, Sasha would have been a pile of ashes after the looks Willow was giving her after she admitted she and Michael slept together. Maybe I’m just projecting, but I could read everything so clearly on her face -“You judgmental harpy! You’ve been dragging me for months for cheating on Michael when you slept with him behind my back!.”

[GHScorpiosRule]

3 minutes ago, FilmTVGeek80 said:

Shut up, Sasha. Ric may be creepy at times, but he was doing his job. It’s okay for Diane to drag Willow’s character across the coals, but how dare Ric do his job just as ruthlessly.

This so much. It was the same when he was questioning Kristina during Ava's trial. Anyone else but the smugaroo Diane are TEH EVUHL and SLIMY!!! for doing exactly what Diane does. For Mooby, Jason, his employees, children...

I'm in the office, so did Ric get her to admit she and the SLS cheated FIRST? Did she go into labor? Or are they saving that for tomorrow?

[Daisy]

1 minute ago, GHScorpiosRule said:

I'm in the office, so did Ric get her to admit she and the SLS cheated FIRST? Did she go into labor? Or are they saving that for tomorrow?

ohyeah. first , because Ric stressed the date.  (and no not yet)

[jqdeco]

Lucky did not fall in love with Elizabeth right away. He had a major crush on her sister. It was Liz that fell for Lucky first.
I’ll be the outlier here. I enjoyed Joss on the stand. Obviously they are trying to show her WSB training is what kept her cool and collected. I’m also strangely not hating Carly right now. I guess my loathing of Drillow is greater than my Carly hate. Am also happy the Sasha baby daddy secret is out. That dragged on for way too long.

[FilmTVGeek80]

19 minutes ago, GHScorpiosRule said:

This so much. It was the same when he was questioning Kristina during Ava's trial. Anyone else but the smugaroo Diane are TEH EVUHL and SLIMY!!! for doing exactly what Diane does. For Mooby, Jason, his employees, children...

I vacillate on liking Diane. I usually like her in scenes with Alexis, but more and more I’ve found her level of smug in the courtroom unbearable, even when she’s defending someone I like. The amount of smug on screen between her and Joss when Joss got off the stand almost made Carly look like an amateur in the Smug Olympics. I’m so glad Sasha and Michael’s secret being blown apart might knock Diane down a peg or two.

[ciarra]

Have I missed something?

Did Nina tell Ric that Michael and Sasha slept together?  There was that moment in the courtroom yesterday, where Ric looked at Nina, and she looked uncomfortable.  

I thought she was keeping it to herself (and Ava), because she didn't want to upset Sasha.

[dubbel zout]

30 minutes ago, FilmTVGeek80 said:

I usually like her in scenes with Alexis, but more and more I’ve found her level of smug in the courtroom unbearable

Diane is so much better as a friend (to anyone) than she is as a lawyer because that smug is intolerable. Of course, she's defending Corinthii and Corinthii-adjacent people, and they always have to win. That whole side is always smug beyond smug.

Edited Wednesday at 09:23 PM by dubbel zout
typo

[GHScorpiosRule]

5 minutes ago, ciarra said:

Have I missed something?

Did Nina tell Ric that Michael and Sasha slept together?  There was that moment in the courtroom yesterday, where Ric looked at Nina, and she looked uncomfortable.  

I thought she was keeping it to herself (and Ava), because she didn't want to upset Sasha.

Maybe Ava told Ric offscreen?

12 minutes ago, FilmTVGeek80 said:

I vacillate on liking Diane. I usually like her in scenes with Alexis, but more and more I’ve found her level of smug in the courtroom unbearable, even when she’s defending someone I like.

Same. Especially when she was truth telling to Alexis about committing Kristina.

But I'm hating more and more how judges kiss her ass (I still remember that one judge telling her how nice it was to see her or something-might have been Jagger's murder arraignment or something), and how she just KNOWS she's RIGHT and will WIN.

Good to see her knocked down a peg or two. She set this whole ball rolling when she told the SLS to dump Sasha and marry Willow to get custody of Wiley, because you know, it's the 1950s, and mother figure must be pure and chaste. Which Sasha, with her con artist past, wasn't.

[Daisy]

10 minutes ago, ciarra said:

Have I missed something?

Did Nina tell Ric that Michael and Sasha slept together?  There was that moment in the courtroom yesterday, where Ric looked at Nina, and she looked uncomfortable.  

I thought she was keeping it to herself (and Ava), because she didn't want to upset Sasha.

Nina didn't want to say anything

My thinking it's either 
1: Ava did 
2: Ric isn't stupid and did a little CSI of his own. 

but going by the previews and the stupid Trial of the Summer we all know whose to blame. 

 

45 minutes ago, FilmTVGeek80 said:

I was also glad he brought up Michael taking Avery. I was cheering him on at the time, but it does show he’s not above using custody battles as revenge and how wishy-washy he can be since he changed his mind only a few months later.

 

i do wish he leaned into this a lot more too.

[statsgirl]

I wish that Ric had brought up the donation Michael made to the State Attorney's campaign when he wanted Nina kept from Wylie.

Joss was beyond smug on the stand, so convinced that she is right. Ric should have cut her down. Did he know about her boyfriend Dex working for Sonny?

19 minutes ago, ciarra said:

Did Nina tell Ric that Michael and Sasha slept together? 

I assumed that she told Ric when she saw how awful Sasha was to Willow. I certainly would have.

[KittenPokerCheater]

1 hour ago, dubbel zout said:

I know I'm supposed to squee at Lucky and Elizabeth, but I can't. 

I'm generally a Lucky/Liz fan, but this time around, I can't.  Elizabeth grew up.  Lucky did not. And he covered up a crime that nearly got Elizabeth killed- she was lucky to only have a broken leg.

[TVbitch]

I feel like Lucky is just proposing cuz he is at loose ends and thinks this will give him focus and purpose and make a grown up man out of him. Not sustainable reasons as Liz well knows. Glad she said no. (for now)  

I think we could have gotten the message that Emma is honey-potting her professor without all those close ups of her rear end. I mean, it's a nice rear end, but ewww 🤢.

[tessaray]

2 minutes ago, statsgirl said:

I assumed that she told Ric when she saw how awful Sasha was to Willow. I certainly would have.

I figured it was Ava. We saw Nina agonizing over it with her. Ava is not the sentimental type or someone who would forgo any advantage. 

The court scenes are tedious because there's no one to root for. They're all hypocrites. I think the judge should split custody with both sides monitored by children's services. 

[JMO]

I was surprised to have Michael's paternity of Sasha's baby come out so soon,  but I'm glad that storyline is moving on.  Still not interested in any aspect of these intersecting stories, but one can hope.

Not sure what to make of the mixed messages on Dalton.  Cold fusion is still theoretical, and definitely not something a college professor would be working on at PCU with a lone college student research assistant.  Still, we've had weather machines and space aliens in the past.  Maybe animal abuse is just Emma's cover story.

Glad Liz refused Lucky.  Maybe their story will really start now, if he realizes he's going to have to become someone she can depend on for the long term. 

For a few brief seconds of their conversation, it looked like Lulu and BL were actually connecting with empathy for one another.  Then, of course, it dissipated.  But I wouldn't be shocked if they ended up as friends down the road.  Maybe way down the road.

Daniel Cosgrove is a good sport.  So far he's had Laura throw her drink in his face, and now Gio pushes him into the pool.  Wonder if this will become a running gag.

[dubbel zout]

28 minutes ago, TVbitch said:

I feel like Lucky is just proposing cuz he is at loose ends and thinks this will give him focus and purpose and make a grown up man out of him.

It's not on Elizabeth to help Lucky get anchored and grow up—gross.

17 minutes ago, JMO said:

Cold fusion is still theoretical, and definitely not something a college professor would be working on at PCU with a lone college student research assistant. 

You mean you don't buy that PCU is a world-class research university on the cutting edge of science? Or that Josslyn Jacks, who has changed her major at least twice, is qualified to help said cutting-edge research? 

17 minutes ago, JMO said:

now Gio pushes him into the pool

With the pool being so shallow IRL, I have legit concerns every time someone gets shoved in. I hope they use stunt doubles, though it's not as if that's a guarantee against injury.

Edited Wednesday at 10:00 PM by dubbel zout

[ciarra]

28 minutes ago, tessaray said:

I figured it was Ava. We saw Nina agonizing over it with her. Ava is not the sentimental type or someone who would forgo any advantage. 

Why they do important stuff offscreen, I don't know.

[Maelstrom]

2 hours ago, mostlylurking said:

Most likely the writers had no idea what they wanted to do with Gio at first and decided on this gem of a retcon for some reason.  But yeah, if we’re going with Lois knew the whole time she is nothing but a complete sociopath.

I have a strong suspicion that GM was originally signed as a Spencer recast, and TIIC, for whatever reason, decided not to go there (Perhaps because it would be interesting? Because it would take advantage of GM and TA's obvious chemistry?) So they had an actor with no character or storyline to play, and this was what they came up with 🙄 This is pure speculation on my part. (although just such a situation happened years back on OLTL - see Bret Claywell and Scott Clifton).

This custody trial is so rage-inducing it's giving me rageahol poisoning.

And why is everyone calling it a divorce hearing when it's been solely about custody of the children, and not division of the assets or whatever else? Is it too much to hope that a fire breaks out in the courtroom and only Ric and Nina make it out alive and the rest of them are all trapped and die?

[Daisy]

25 minutes ago, Maelstrom said:

This custody trial is so rage-inducing it's giving me rageahol poisoning.

 

lol i love this. and the same. like. it just reminds me of when they were going after Nina in court. (twice). I just keep thinking to myself, at least Ric isn't stupid like Scotty. [yet]

[CeChase]

1 hour ago, tessaray said:

I figured it was Ava. We saw Nina agonizing over it with her. Ava is not the sentimental type or someone who would forgo any advantage. 

The court scenes are tedious because there's no one to root for. They're all hypocrites. I think the judge should split custody with both sides monitored by children's services. 

Oh me too.  I've been hoping the judge throws up her hands and yells "Madone! (maybe she could be from Bensonhurst too?) and "you are all  messy as shit".   Joint custody with monitoring of al parties seems best for this group. 

[Cheyanne11]

Carly not actually having any scenes but just in the background making her smug faces with that obnoxious '70's-esque blowout was the worst part of the show.  And I see she attacks Nina tomorrow because looks like she's already climbed up into Sasha's uterus and peed on her newest grandchild.  

So, to recap: Ric and Nina?  Terrible, awful people.  Diane?  Salt of the earth.  Get bent, show.

UCG: Drew's Scooby Doo 'zoinks' face at the Sasha/Michael reveal.

[KittenPokerCheater]

27 minutes ago, Cheyanne11 said:

Carly not actually having any scenes but just in the background making her smug faces with that obnoxious '70's-esque blowout was the worst part of the show.

I'm starting to wonder if it's a wig.

[lala2]

42 minutes ago, Cheyanne11 said:

And I see she attacks Nina tomorrow because looks like she's already climbed up into Sasha's uterus and peed on her newest grandchild.  

This is ridiculously funny!!! 🤣🤣🤣 The description is so accurate. I hate Sasha so much that I cannot wait until she is battling Michael for her kid and the Corinthos clan is against her. 

I only saw the last part of the trial (I muted the other parts), but I love that Sasha told the truth. From your comments, I see Diane was getting in all the digs so I'm glad something happened to level the playing field. Michael will still win but at least his halo has been tarnished a bit! 

I really hope Willow gets a chance to confront Sasha on her hypocrisy. Sasha has been on such a high horse that I was happy to see her fall. Judgmental witch! 

I like the BL/Lulu confrontation. 

And I think the show did a good job showing us why Gio believes Dante hates him. During the Rocco incident, he told Emma that he always thought Dante liked him but he now knew what Dante really thought of him. Dante basically called Gio a coddled, immature, irresponsible jerk. He accused Gio of giving Rocco alcohol and getting him drunk! Gio thought Dante would know he wouldn't do that, but Dante thought Gio was lying. Dante was OTT and irrational, but he kept doubling down on it. I completely understand why Gio thinks Dante hates him. I don't blame him. I wouldn't have much to do w/Dante either.  

[Pingaponga]

3 hours ago, Maelstrom said:

I have a strong suspicion that GM was originally signed as a Spencer recast, and TIIC, for whatever reason, decided not to go there

I always thought he was supposed to be somehow connected to Jason or old-Drew. He asked someone at Chase and Brook-Lynn's wedding who Jason was as he looked very familiar.

[Sake614]

1 hour ago, KittenPokerCheater said:

I'm starting to wonder if it's a wig.

 No it isn’t a wig. LW has amazing thick, curly hair. It must take them hours to blow it straight like that. I don’t care much for the style but I’m incredibly jealous of her curls lol!

[Artsda]

Brooklyn of course chasing to blame Lulu.  It does sound like she just rather not know, maybe Gio is right to have nothing to do with her.  Then her questioning how Lulu figured out it was Gio, she should have told her because she's not blind.  How did Brooklyn not figure it out for 20 years is the question.

Brooklyn wanted Lulu to come to her first? Lol what a joke, Brooklyn reaction to everything has been to lie. Then she threatens her in her house. 

Michael not telling Diane about the baby was just stupid. 

Ooh Ric knows. How long has he known, since he put her on the list? Or Nina told him. Or Ava? 

Sasha sure told the truth fast. Lol. Ric is doing his job, but he's the creep. Had that been Diane it was ok all the attacking of Willow.  Sasha worst type of hypocrite. 

Lucky proposing is really fast they haven't been on a date have they? 

 

[Cheyanne11]

10 minutes ago, Artsda said:

Brooklyn wanted Lulu to come to her first? Lol what a joke, Brooklyn reaction to everything has been to lie.

LOL, what?  When Lulu told her she had a boy, which she didn't know, she was shocked. How was that a lie?  

Lulu still acting like the self-righteous person she is and how everyone should be grateful to her.

Edited Thursday at 02:03 AM by Cheyanne11

[nilyank]

21 minutes ago, Artsda said:

Michael not telling Diane about the baby was just stupid. 

 

Diane has always known about Michael and Sasha and the baby. 

[Artsda]

26 minutes ago, Cheyanne11 said:

LOL, what?  When Lulu told her she had a boy, which she didn't know, she was shocked. How was that a lie?  

All Brooklyn has wanted Lulu to do is lie. Lie to Dante, lie to Rocco, keep her secrets forever.  Lie to Tracy too.

Dante mad Lulu kept the secret and didn't tell him instantly. When Lulu was keeping the initial secret because Brooklyn wanted her to lie. 

Brooklyn mad Lulu found out the secret about Gio and didn't tell her instantly.  For what reason?  So Brooklyn and Chase could threaten her more and force her to lie still like when she came to her about the baby in the first place? Lulu did not know if Brooklyn was in on the Gio lie or not. Brooklyn a good liar she's shown. 

Yet everytime Lulu wanted Brooklyn to tell the truth to Dante, Brooklyn yelled and said no, it's her choices. Brooklyn never wanted the truth out for anything to anyone, so Lulu going to her for Gio news is dumb for her to suggest. 

 

 

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5 hours ago, Maelstrom said:

I have a strong suspicion that GM was originally signed as a Spencer recast, and TIIC, for whatever reason, decided not to go there

I think they couldn't come up with a good reason for Spencer to return as a violin virtuoso.   "Spencer was hit on the head, and now he can play Puccini!"