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Bringonthedrama

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20 minutes ago, GHScorpiosRule said:

Yeah, Cyrus should definitely be scared when threatened by kids.🤣🤣 Danny and now Kai thinking they could order around a murderer and drug king pin?

The only parts that interested me were the scenes with Lucky and Elizabeth.

I'm sure he doesn't feel threatened by Danny, but he does now know Danny heard from someone that he killed Sam. From the scene with the director at Turning Woods and then the creepy watching scene at the hospital, he clearly believes Elizabeth is 'the problem.'

Everybody knows Jason and Elizabeth have a son together and are at least friendly. It's not really a stretch to think that Elizabeth could have confided her suspicions to Jason, when Jason's younger son was around. He also wants to appeal to Lucky but has seen twice now in public places that Elizabeth and Lucky are friends or more.

So now he has to decide what to do about Elizabeth. That's my interpretation of his creepy staring at them through the window as they danced.

It makes me wonder if Jason and Lucky will team up to rescue Elizabeth from whatever Cyrus does (my assumption, not a spoiler) to remove her from interfering in his grand plan.

 

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4 hours ago, dubbel zout said:

  It's not up to Tracy to scream it off her finger.

So ridiculous. From what I'm remembering of Lila, I'm sure that Tracy inherited plenty of her jewelry.  Poor JE, they really do keep giving her terrible writing because she can make anything work.

4 hours ago, PatsyandEddie said:

Willow isn’t doing her children any favours by constantly moving them back and forth between the Quartermaines and Nina , especially when their father is an ocean away. 

Willow telling Nina that she didn't want to teach her children that they had to hide their feelings was so eyerolling. Meanwhile she's disrupting their lives by moving them back and forth between Nina's and the Quartermaines and presumably between nannies as Nina hired a new one.  Separating the children from their home when their father is sick and far away is not good for them at all. If you need to sleep with Drew, get a hotel room.

14 minutes ago, GHScorpiosRule said:

Yeah, Cyrus should definitely be scared when threatened by kids.🤣🤣 Danny and now Kai thinking they could order around a murderer and drug king pin?

The writers seem to have completely forgotten that, that Cyrus used to be a Big Bad. Now he's just a poor old man wandering around delusional. A waste of JK.

Alexa is doing a good job but Dante/Lulu is too soon for me. I liked Dante/Sam and this Lulu, while accurate, is too abrasive and too selfish for me.

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While I was making a list today of all the people who already could be suspects in the upcoming Cyrus murder, I had a pleasant thought: Until shown otherwise, I'm going to fanwank that Brennan is playing Carly to have a visible (to the town) reason, even if marginal, to be seen with Joss, someone he'll happily use, then forget about, along with her mother.

And even though it will never happen, if Joss could die while trying to take out Cyrus -- after all, Anna did warn her . . . 

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KerleyQ

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Are they chem testing Kristina and Isaiah?  

Loved Liz and Lucky.  

I was surprised that Jason and Sasha went ahead with letting Danny in on their secret, given that he just went off half-cocked after Cyrus. I like that they're keeping up (so far) the Rocco/Danny bond. I'm always a sucker for the found family kind of storylines, so the two of them and Scout considering each other family, and going back and forth between Dante and Jason for parental talks/advice works for me. 

They're definitely giving Tracy shitty writing, but I did let out a little laugh at "can't I just write you a check?" 

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nilyank

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I don't know why Willow is still wearing Lila's ring. She is moving ahead with the divorce to Michael and has her whatever feelings for Drew. She doesn't want be Michael's wife so why is she wearing the symbol of a relationship she no longer wants to be in.

I don't know why Cyrus is fixated on Liz as the source of his venom. Sure she and Lucky are awesomely investigating him but he doesn't know that.

Lulu had only 3 customers and she mixed up all 3 order. It's not like the customers look alike or order similar food items. Write things down ex Girl Reporter.

 

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Bringonthedrama

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38 minutes ago, nilyank said:

I don't know why Cyrus is fixated on Liz as the source of his venom. Sure she and Lucky are awesomely investigating him but he doesn't know that.

The director of Turning Woods told Cyrus that the two of them had been there and that Lucky was very upset that he had mis-represented himself re: Lulu's care and had spent time with Lulu while she was a patient. Cyrus in turn told him he overheard a Turning Woods employee talking to "Elizabeth Baldwin" and now he's being banned from Turning Woods.

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CeChase

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6 hours ago, nilyank said:

I don't know why Willow is still wearing Lila's ring. She is moving ahead with the divorce to Michael and has her whatever feelings for Drew. She doesn't want be Michael's wife so why is she wearing the symbol of a relationship she no longer wants to be in.

 

 

This exactly.  What in hell is Willow thinking parading around with the ring in the first place?   It makes zero sense.  She told her divorce attorney and her mother that her marriage is over and she is with Drew.  Why hasn't Drew asked her why she's still wearing her ring?   I think Tracy has every right to confront her about it.  It's not a normal wedding set, it's a family heirloom.  I would think you'd give it back.  But regardless of any of that, anyone would remove the damn ring. I don't care if it was purchased in Macy's.  It's time to take the ring off Willow!

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absnow54

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7 hours ago, KerleyQ said:

Are they chem testing Kristina and Isaiah?  

They’re chem testing Isaiah with anyone with a pulse. 

43 minutes ago, CeChase said:

This exactly.  What in hell is Willow thinking parading around with the ring in the first place?   It makes zero sense.  She told her divorce attorney and her mother that her marriage is over and she is with Drew.  Why hasn't Drew asked her why she's still wearing her ring?   I think Tracy has every right to confront her about it.  It's not a normal wedding set, it's a family heirloom.  I would think you'd give it back.

Fair. But she’s at least keeping it in the family. Drew is Lila’s grandson too. Kidding. 

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YaddaYadda

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Joss can call Diane, but Anna should call Carly and tell her what her sweet and brilliant daughter has been up to while she was being romanced by not!Brennan. Carly is a lot of things, but I don't think she'd be down with Joss going after a known murderer.

I like L&L enough, and when they started dancing and I heard the song, I was like well, I haven't heard that in a long time and then aww, it's sweet. Then Cyrus popped up at the window. And of course he looked extra creepy in that lighting. Cyrus has wanted his mother's love since he was a teenager/young adult. But he has no qualms taking mothers from their children. He targeted Sam who had two kids, plus Rocco, now he's looking at Elizabeth, who has three children. These Bible thumping hypocrites are something else.

Give Lucas something else to do that's not related to his dumbass sister. It'll be sweet when Carly finds out that the WSB is trying to recruit her equally dumb daughter.

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KerleyQ

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3 hours ago, absnow54 said:

Fair. But she’s at least keeping it in the family. Drew is Lila’s grandson too. Kidding. 

If they're committed to making him as skeevy as possible, and to Willow continuing to hero worship him and think he can do no wrong, they should definitely have him say she should keep it as an engagement ring from him, and have her happily go along with that. 

I mean, if they're going to go trashy with no nuance at all, then let's really go for it. 

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On 2/7/2025 at 6:40 PM, JMO said:

I really like nuLucas.  I find the character and the actor believable, and like that he's been brought into a couple of story lines. Whether or not he ends up with Brad again, I think it should be by choice, and not just because they are the only two gay guys on screen.  

Agreed. Although I can't help but think that Ryan Carnes probably would have agreed to return if he could have trust them that they seriously would give him as much material as this. He probably didn't believe them. Not that it's hugely substantial so far. But VH is charming enough and has chemistry with everyone.

Why didn't they just bite the bullet and have Jason and Sasha had sex and then Jason could have truly been the bio father. Michael with a third kid is crazy and why Sasha wants anyone to think Jason is the father makes no freaking sense. Not that Jason should have another kid either but at least he's not as interrelated to everyone as Michael is.

Oh boo hoo Willow. If you don't want to people to think you're horrible restrain yourself from uncle in law sex for a month or two.

Isaiah: Michael is a tough guy.

Kristina: yeah we get that from our dad.

Oh jeez. He didn't say she was tough lol and Alexis and Carly are much tougher than Sonny.

The other Brennan was James Bond and this guy is Mr. Bean.

11 hours ago, KerleyQ said:

They're definitely giving Tracy shitty writing, but I did let out a little laugh at "can't I just write you a check?" 

You think so? This seems like normal Tracy to me heh. But I don't mind her being abrasive as long as she has some soft moments here and there.

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dubbel zout

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12 hours ago, KerleyQ said:

[Rocco and Danny] and Scout considering each other family, and going back and forth between Dante and Jason for parental talks/advice works for me. 

Same. I also like that the adults are honoring the relationships, too.

6 hours ago, CeChase said:

What in hell is Willow thinking parading around with the ring in the first place? 

It's not like her hand is constantly waggling in people's faces and she's crowing, "Look! I still have on my wedding ring, the family heirloom I got from the husband I'm cheating on!" Willow has larger issues to deal with than a patriarchal indication of marital status.

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Bringonthedrama

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Ric is concerned that Elizabeth could be "shaken up" by the hostility between Ava and Kristina?! Elizabeth, who has been kidnapped and/or held hostage multiple times, temporarily gone blind, had her sons kidnapped and one thought dead for years. Then, when Elizabeth doesn't have time for him, he goes back to see Ava. LOL that Elizabeth denies hearing anything that Jason said to Cyrus.

It's good to see Dante with Sam's family, concerned about Sam's son.

Anna's words to Dante, Chase and Jason have no value after everything she's done. 

The rest is so utterly boring. Although the Alexis-Jason scene in the preview looks promising. And Sasha apologizing to the dog makes me giggle. 

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8 minutes ago, KittenPokerCheater said:

Not feelig Cody/Molly.  Would rather have him with NuLu.

Molly and Cody depend entirely on the Ms Perfect/Ne’er do well trope, and it’s fine, but it feels forced. 

Cody had much better chemistry with Lulu and Molly with Isaiah, but what can you do? AH and  DZ sparked quickly and Dante/Nulu are currently working for me. I still think there’s a chance for a Lulu/Cody fling when the Gio secret blows up, but they seem committed to this Molly pairing. 

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statsgirl

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These are just terrible people. Now Sasha got P.I. Elaine killed/hurt for what? To snoop in her purse?  Sasha doesn't have any idea what case Elaine is working on. She's being Carly-ized from within, thinking that everything is about her.

Am I supposed to think that Jason isn't stupid? Because threatening to murder Cyrus is still a crime even if he is the Hitman of Port Charles. Don't draw attention to yourself.

I guess Kristina was right after all about not telling Danny.

If they want me to ship Cody/Molly, they've got to give them some nice scenes, not just yelling at each other.

If you believe that high-priced lawyer Diane and mobster Sonny would meet in a diner to discuss confidential legal matters, I've got a bridge you might be interested in.

8 hours ago, absnow54 said:

They’re chem testing Isaiah with anyone with a pulse.

He has chemistry with everyone with a pulse. Or without one (Jordan).

34 minutes ago, Bringonthedrama said:

Ric is concerned that Elizabeth could be "shaken up" by the hostility between Ava and Kristina?!

I got the impression that he was checking to see if Elizabeth was going to testify on Sonny's side in the custody case that Ava was trying to "kidnap" Avery.

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As soon as the PI said the dog didn't usually jump on people, I thought to myself, "unless they're pregnant," and then she says basically the same thing. I didn't not expect the PI to call Sasha "a beautiful woman who seems dumb." Hee.

How Anna didn't burst into flames when she talked about discipline as a cop. 

"A friend" told Dante about Cyrus, and Sam and Alexis don't even say, "Oh, you mean Chase?"

The show must stop writing men who don't take no for an answer from women they're pursuing. It's not funny or romantic; it's stalkery and gross.

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Bringonthedrama

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8 minutes ago, statsgirl said:

I got the impression that he was checking to see if Elizabeth was going to testify on Sonny's side in the custody case that Ava was trying to "kidnap" Avery.

I think that was half of his motive. The other half was Ric still trying to see if he could possibly have a chance with her, by first expressing concern and then when she said she's not testifying, proposing they go on another walk just as she got the alert signal.  He def. left some things out of what he told Ava later.

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2 hours ago, TVbitch said:

I love how the GH roof door picks and chooses who gets locked out up there.

 

Cody said the helipad was "over there", not "up there", so the stairs behind  them had to go somewhere -- other than plot reasons, why didn't either of them try to see if there was a door up there? 

I know, I'm trying to make sense of TFGH, but there have been a lot of what could be called minor oversights lately that keep taking me away from the actual story. 

 

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Winston Wolfe

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On 2/12/2025 at 4:07 PM, Cheyanne11 said:

Upcoming: Gio is allergic to latex and likes the Yankees.  

Uh-oh. I'm actually allergic to Latex and LOVE the Yankees. And I was born in Brooklyn, too. Guess I should do one of those ancestry tests. Maybe we share some Moors' blood. Stranger things have happened.

Loved today's previews. Looks like Alexis wants to embrace her inner Cassidine. Go Natasha!!!!

I've been thinking for a while that since everyone feels like Cyrus is such a dangerous man and the whole town now knows he killed Sam, why not, oh I don't know...just go ahead and turn off his lights permanently?

Must be the James Howlett in me.

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sashabear21

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I think what annoys me the most about Cyrus the Digitalis Killer storyline is there’s been no build up, no suspense, no red herrings, no victims who could be potential suspects, we just get Cyrus very obviously injecting drugs into patient’s IV’s. I remember the shock of seeing the person tormenting Salem revealed as a demon possessed Marlena ripping off a ski cap, the real truth behind Victor Lord’s murder on OLTL (although that show did open the barn door on DID storylines and flog that pony to death). Even GL’s serial killer storylines while highly offensive at least were better executed.  This is lazier than when my mom just drives to the gym, doesn’t even park, and buys donuts on the way home. 

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Bringonthedrama

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5 hours ago, dubbel zout said:

How Anna didn't burst into flames when she talked about discipline as a cop. 

So much this. I also want to know why they haven't questioned Laura in-depth about Cyrus and his actions regarding the family around the time Sam died. Anna knows there is a restraining order, but does she know that Laura was furious because Cyrus was trying to have nuLulu transferred to another state without Laura knowing? He was trying to be the decision maker in Lulu's life at the same time that the woman living with Lulu's ex-husband and raising Lulu's son dies, allegedly by his hands.  That's quite a coincidence, Anna. 

This Show.

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Artsda

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Cyrus will obviously be dead in a week. 

TJ not returning? Looks like it's Molly and Cody going forward. 

Liz thought Ava was doing nothing wrong? She was trying to take Avery very clearly. Even the kids could testify to it. Then she goes and lies to the cops about Jason threatening Cyrus. 

Anna is the worst cop ever, she does far worse than the people she arrests or cops put on suspension. But she acts like she's morally superior. 

Why so much Sasha. Can someone find out Michael is the daddy already.  Now she's killed an innocent dog and yet she'll probably still try and act like she's better than Willow. 

Does Ric really think he's going to break Sonny? 

 

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JMO

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1 hour ago, sashabear21 said:

I think what annoys me the most about Cyrus the Digitalis Killer storyline is there’s been no build up, no suspense, no red herrings, no victims who could be potential suspects, we just get Cyrus very obviously injecting drugs into patient’s IV’s. 

All of this, and the fact that so many of the residents of PC seem to know who the killer is, how he does it, and even where he does it.  Even back with the Ryan serial killer storyline, we all knew the killer was Ryan-impersonating-Kevin, but no one on screen did, and you never knew when he would go off and kill someone. There was true suspense.  No such luck with Cyrus. 

I wonder if the writers are trying to turn a typical murder mystery on its head, where everything is known except for which of our merry band of self-appointed detectives will actually confront the killer in action---but it's not working.

Love Anna, but she needs a new job, or a therapist, or both.  Maybe, since they bothered to bring her granddaughter back to PC, they could give us a couple of scenes of them together.  Felicia has done more with Emma at this point.

Getting Sasha-ed out.  It's gonna be a long nine months.

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Bringonthedrama

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1 hour ago, Artsda said:

Why so much Sasha.

In order to draggg out an unintended pregnancy/baby story in the Q mansion while BLQ and Chase are envious of her and self-pitying about wanting to have a baby, to create false drama about Willow v. off-screen Michael and custody of their children, and to stupidly attempt to link the Scorpio/Jones Family to the Quartermaine and Corinthos Families. 

 In the years I've been watching, the Show has given Bobbie, Alexis, Monica (via Alan), Nina, Luke, Sonny, Scott, Mac, and most recently Robert long-lost adult children. Now the retcon for Dante and BLQ's past to try to make Gio matter because the actor is a well-known musician.  Whatever.  Talk about being creatively bankrupt. 

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I’m gonna start a gofundme to have Brad beaten to death by circus clowns. I feel like the fate speaks to the character.

7 hours ago, Bringonthedrama said:

Now the retcon for Dante and BLQ's past to try to make Gio matter because the actor is a well-known musician.  Whatever.  Talk about being creatively bankrupt. 

Giovanni Mazza is not a well-known musician, though. He's a cute kid and is growing on me as an actor with real spark (and a hard body), but it's definitely true that he's one of many casualties of yet another very lazy, stupid GH staple story - a secret kid tied to too many people which ages up too many viable characters. This and loooong needless pregnancies (like Sasha's) are all GH really does to pass the time, other than lame cardboard villains like rickety old Cyrus wheezing his last and poker fetishist Sidwell. So yes, they absolutely are creatively bankrupt. Frank, CVE and Korte have been telling these 3 stories and little else for years.

8 hours ago, Artsda said:

Why so much Sasha.

Because Patrick Mulcahey came close to firing her, and evidently Frank will never allow that to happen unless Sofia Mattsson asks for an extra hundo in her next contract renewal.

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34 minutes ago, sacrebleu said:

Careless writing. In the scenes with Sonny and Jason at Bobbie's, Sonny offered to send Diane to meet Jason at the PCPD. 

When he spoke to Nina, he said he was there to meet Diane ( not Jason) but she was held up in court. 

 

 

 

No, Sonny said he was meeting Diane, but that meeting with her could wait. He'd send her to go help Jason instead, but Jason declined the offer. Then when talking to Nina, he re-iterated that he was meeting Diane, but she was held up in court.

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dubbel zout

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11 hours ago, Artsda said:

Liz thought Ava was doing nothing wrong? She was trying to take Avery very clearly.

According to Kristina, whose grudge against Ava is hardly unknown. Elizabeth was right to nope out of that situation.

What I didn't like was Elizabeth telling Chase she didn't hear Jason threatening Cyrus at Charlie's. If Jason is going to be stupid enough to threaten to kill someone in a public place, he deserves whatever he gets. And anyway, we all know he'll get arrested for Cyrus's murder and then Diane will get him off in a minute, so it's annoying we have to even watch this crap. It's all so predictable.

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YaddaYadda

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1 hour ago, dubbel zout said:

And anyway, we all know he'll get arrested for Cyrus's murder and then Diane will get him off in a minute, so it's annoying we have to even watch this crap. It's all so predictable.

It's also predictable that if Cyrus is murdered, they will never arrest the person who will did it unless it's someone they're looking to fire.

The show is irredeemable. 

Anyway, I've already set my PVR to record Beyond the Gates because their trailers look good. There might be a change in my viewing habits sooner rather than later.

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GHScorpiosRule

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Just what the hell did that idiot Sasha think would happen when she removed Mavis' leash and urged her to run into the street? Elaine nailed Sasha perfectly-Dumb.

And more plot! contrivances, with Elaine's office giving Sasha information; oh noes! An old school PI! I have to get her notes so my sekrit that the SLS is the father won't come out! Like, what? How would Elaine even know/learn that?

Next, we'll see Sasha looking up everyone who was at the Brown Bear to silence them about seeing her and the SLS at the bar together.

It must be the block taping thing. I thought Molly and Cody were beyond his acting like an asshole when she came to pick up Danny? You know, so Alexis could tell him that Sam was murdered? They were civil to each other.

But, plot must plot, so the standard trope of hurling insults and being stuck together on the roof must happen.

Where is Mac? It really should be him, reaming Dante and Chase, and not Anna. He is, after all, the CHIEF of DETECTIVES. Anna can sit in her office, and cry over Jason.

While I wasn't surprised that Elizabeth refused to say anything about hearing Jason screaming his threat to kill Cyrus, I was disappointed, because of the conversation she had had with Lucky about Lucky not being a killer. But, plot!

That said, I loved her leaving Ric in mid-sentence to go wherever it was she went.

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KerleyQ

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1 hour ago, dubbel zout said:

And anyway, we all know he'll get arrested for Cyrus's murder and then Diane will get him off in a minute, so it's annoying we have to even watch this crap. It's all so predictable.

And Jason being arrested for murder should be the thing that rattles Sasha to think that the hazards of letting everyone think the hitman is her baby's father are exactly the kind of thing she was trying to protect her baby from. Instead, I'm betting it will somehow lead to them falling in love while she cries about how unfair it is that such a good man is being wrongly accused of murder, and Cyrus is the bad man who almost killed her with his evil drug, so Jason would be a hero if he did kill him, anyway. 

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Cheyanne11

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Like KerleyQ said, Jason will go on trial and everyone will be pounding their chests about how he only did 'what anyone would do' and it was perfectly justified. 

Then it will come to light he didn't do it and they'll say 'of course he didn't do it' because the show wants it both ways.  Because lather, rinse, repeat. 

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