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sacrebleu

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2 hours ago, jsbt said:

I am absolutely struggling to figure out how or why Lucas gives a shit about Willow and Drew, and I have watched this show for over 30 fucking years. Yes, I know Lucas is Carly's brother but let's not pretend he and Michael have a deep relationship. (Outside of that one time Fluke tried to get what R&B hitmakers Next would call "Too Close" to Michael and Ryan Carnes' Lucas back in the Carlivati era.)

He's concerned for Wiley's sake. He didn't fight for custody of Wiley when he found out the baby switch, so he doesn't want Michael to lose custody.

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2 hours ago, jsbt said:

I am absolutely struggling to figure out how or why Lucas gives a shit about Willow and Drew, and I have watched this show for over 30 fucking years.

I have never felt so in tune with a show’s budget. As soon as Lucas showed up, my first thought was, “Oh, did Van Hansis not make his episode minimum for December?”

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dubbel zout

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10 hours ago, ciarra said:

why she would think she wouldn't be followed.

Because she's dumb.

5 hours ago, jsbt said:

I am absolutely struggling to figure out how or why Lucas gives a shit about Willow and Drew,

He gave some song and dance about not wanting Wiley to lose a parent again, or something like that. Willow took offense that Lucas was comparing her to Nell and huffed out of the room. The whole scene felt like it was meeting VH's minimum, or the show remembered he was related to a lot of these people and had to say something about the situation. Spoiler: He didn't!

4 hours ago, graight said:

And what is so great about winning the card game War?  I don't remember there being any skill involved -- just turning your cards over one at a time. Pure luck when you won.  But I guess Joss has to be the Goddess of something.

And how do you cheat at War? 

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MarciNJ

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9 hours ago, bybrandy said:
10 hours ago, ciarra said:

I'd like to know how Lulu secretly paid for a plane ticket, and why she would think she wouldn't be followed. 

The bank of Tracy. 

just for fun, because it is a slow day at work, I looked it up; I read that she was flying first class.  Round trip, Buffalo (closest I can think of to Port Charles) to Prague looks like this:

Price breakdown

Fare

$6,605.00

Taxes and fees

$177.51

Total due

$6,782.51

 

5 hours ago, graight said:

Does anyone else hope Kristina turns Charlie's into a cat cafe?

I hadn't thought about that; now I can think of nothing else!

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Lugal

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15 hours ago, Cheyanne11 said:

Oh, great, Sonny's getting a health scare.  GO INTO THE LIGHT!!!  

If MB retires and they write Sonny out by dying from a heart attack, I'll give the show some points for that.  If after he's dead, everyone suddenly realizes he was a murdering mobster, it'd be even more awesome.  Never gonna happen, but fun to dream.

7 hours ago, graight said:

Also, Dante tells Rocco that Lulu has been waiting for this Christmas for four years? How do you wait for something when you're in a coma?

Much like that last cookie "waits" in the jar or you.

18 hours ago, nilyank said:

I think Jack is going to recruit Joss for the WSB.

La Femme Joss?

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Yeah, because the girl who reacts on emotion, does whatever she wants, and gets in people's faces at the slightest provocation has the perfect temperament for a spy.  And when you want someone nondescript, go with the hot blonde.

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driver18

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So, Lucas finally reacts to giving up Wiley, and it coming up now understandably BTW makes sense. Why? Because, Willow, the woman who gave up her Wiley to Lucas and Brad to keep him safe just took him away from Michael, the person that LUCAS gave Wiley up to because it was "the right thing to do."

But, for some reason, Lucas reacting to the situation with Wiley, giving his two cents, makes no sense? Not quite seeing that.

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YaddaYadda

YaddaYadda

20 hours ago, MarciNJ said:

I haven't been in a coma for 4 years (or any years) and it always takes me forever to find my passport.  How did she even begin to know where it is?

When ones takes into consideration that her passport was definitely not in the place she left it since her things were moved out of the house she was living in at the time of her coma, or that her credit cards were probably expired when she purchased her ticket, that Lulu is quite the Spencer. Luke's daughter through and through. /s

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YaddaYadda

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18 hours ago, Sake614 said:

Guess you didn’t see CM’s video interview where he said we WILL fall in love with them and how they’re the next Luke and Laura? 🤮

How delusional of him. But it's fine because I hated L&L. These days, I just really can't stand the Spencer clan. 

I guess CM is trying hard to sell his pairing because he knows how deeply unpopular it is. If pairing Drew and Willow sends them off screen for prolonged periods of time, then who am I to say no to that. Just in time for Scout needing a new mommy.

About the episode. Does anyone get the sense that Emma left California and that her parents have no clue about it?

I'll add my voice to the chorus of WTF was the Lucas/Willow scene about. It felt out of place for him to just come charging like that. A good argument might have been that the only reason Willow is Wylie's mother now is because he gave her full access to the child because he thought she was his mother and that she should have a place in his life instead of the whole All-About-Michael? 

Sonny clutching at his chest like he's having a heart attack is such a sych move. It sucks, but Sonny dying from a heart attack is as plausible as BLQ never having been pregnant before.

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tessaray

tessaray

Do we know what exactly Brennan is going to do with Valentin once he finds him? They've been partners and rivals. I can't imagine the WSB wants any of their past going public. 

Side note: I wish JPS would either stay or go. Valentin isn't so compelling a character that I'm grateful for the times he's on and I don't usually miss him when he's gone. 

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Desperado

Desperado

43 minutes ago, driver18 said:

So, Lucas finally reacts to giving up Wiley, and it coming up now understandably BTW makes sense. Why? Because, Willow, the woman who gave up her Wiley to Lucas and Brad to keep him safe just took him away from Michael, the person that LUCAS gave Wiley up to because it was "the right thing to do."

But, for some reason, Lucas reacting to the situation with Wiley, giving his two cents, makes no sense? Not quite seeing that.

Thank you the background info, I wasn’t watching much when this happened.

My rationale for thinking this is out of nowhere (although I didn’t mention it here), is because I haven’t seen the character in years (show’s choice to have him offscreen), has now been recast by an actor I remember in a different role on a much beloved by me, different show.

Up to now, I saw him in a few scenes, but don’t recall him mentioning Wiley - maybe in his first scenes w/ Ava/Maura?

Also, does he nave a link to Nina that I don’t know, and knows where she lives?

absnow54

absnow54

11 minutes ago, ciarra said:

My emphasis is on Lulu secretly bought a plane ticket.  Pretty much traceable in today's world.  Unless she bought a stack of VISA gift cards and used them.  Only slightly less suspicious than handing over $6000+ in cash. 

It's ridiculous that Lulu can take a commercial flight to a "secret" rendezvous.

It’s traceable regardless unless she’s using a fake passport, as there will be a flight manifest. She likely has her own credit cards and had plenty of time to secure a new one since waking up, so it’s not like Dante or Laura have immediate access to her purchase history. They’d need Spinelli to hack airline, credit cards, phone records to figure any of this out. Lulu’s actions were only vulnerable to someone like the WSB, who tailed her immediately. They haven’t established that the WSB is a danger to Charlotte, only Valentin, and Lulu has already expressed she couldn’t care less about what happened to him, so I don’t think she was worried about “disappearing” to that level. 

Anyway, the show has already made it clear that Lulu didn’t do a good job hiding her tracks, since she’s already being followed. 

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Desperado

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I missed a few scenes of yesterday’s episode and I know we’re all going “not gonna happen” when it comes to Sonny’s heart clenching, but…

The hug that Genie Francis gave to his character brought tears to both their eyes and MB was full teary eyed when he talked to Kristina near the tree.

If it’s his exit, it would really be a great one due to the unexpectedness and lack of drama, which I would applaud.

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GHScorpiosRule

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45 minutes ago, YaddaYadda said:

Does anyone get the sense that Emma left California and that her parents have no clue about it?

Me! Absolutely! And she was so bad at it! The way she jumped in to stop Anna from calling Robin? Telling her 'Oh, I just talked to Mom' blah, blah. My radar went off and I knew neither Robin or Patrick know where Emma is or what she's doing, or rather, lied to them about where she was.

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45 minutes ago, tessaray said:

Side note: I wish JPS would either stay or go. Valentin isn't so compelling a character that I'm grateful for the times he's on and I don't usually miss him when he's gone. 

Same. Which is why I oh, so, enjoyed him as the Catholic Priest with spectacles from years ago on JAG. Along with the Oirish brogue.

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dubbel zout

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1 hour ago, tessaray said:

I can't imagine the WSB wants any of their past going public. 

When the WSB agent tailing Lulu told Brennan she (the agent) knew where Valentin was, Brennan told her, "You know what to do," which I took to mean Valentin is going to get shot. Maybe Sonny will get his heart, LOL.

58 minutes ago, absnow54 said:

It’s traceable regardless unless she’s using a fake passport, as there will be a flight manifest.

Dante said he had a friend in the TSA who would look at the manifests to find out where Lulu was going.

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Desperado

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Saw the previews, guess it was just a stomach ache. Sigh…

I’m not a fan of Valentin or Charlotte so, meh. They’re also diminishing my interest in Lulu.

”You gave me the only gift on my list this year” from a woman who just came out of the coma after 4yrs, is rich.

Didn’t Ava sell Wyndemere using Lucy as her real estate agent? So the Cassadines bought it from her anonymously?

And Ava is still not investigating the loss of her money?

Glad that for once, Anna wasn’t a sucker and got background info on Emma.

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nilyank

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42 minutes ago, DanaK said:

Emma was certainly catty with Joc

More than catty.

You is paying the tuition and rent for Emma for her stay in PCU if she was covering up being expelled from school from her parents.

Was there beer and drugs at Emma's little party that apparently shutdown the dorm.

Michael hasn't talked to Willow. Did he even get to see the kids for Christmas morning breakfast?

Poor Rocco. Both parents left him on Christmas to go after Charlotte who does not want to Valentin. If that little tracker gets Valentin caught, Charotte is never going to forgive her but Valentin is smarter than Lulu so he will most likely find it and throw it away,

 

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TVbitch

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Who is controlling the Cassadine trust that they can assign a new heir? 

Anna hasn't cried in days, and properly checked out Emma's story. Hopefully her New Year's resolution was to snap the hell out of it.

Who will Brenda and Kelly Emma and Joss fight over? Gio would not be believable. They need a  Dylan Johnny Z type. 

 

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statsgirl

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Can someone explain to me who is running the Cassadine estate (not Alexis, not Valentine) and how they can take it away from Nik after a couple of decades and give it to an illegitimate infant? And how they can take away Wyndermere from Ava after she was given it in her divorce settlement without going to court? The whole plot is sketchy AF.

Speaking of sketchy, maybe Lulu's passport was still effective. But her credit cards would have expired and I know from experience that it takes a couple of weeks for new ones to be sent to you in the mail. And how entitled to travel first class!

1 hour ago, DanaK said:

Emma was certainly catty with Joc

If this is the new Emma, I like it.  Something more than the perfect child that she was. This is the most I've liked Anna in years as she was calling Emma out.

It's Berkley, home of hippies and drugs. What could possibly be wild enough to get Emma kicked out?  (I could buy bad grades from slacking off more than partying.)

35 minutes ago, nilyank said:

Michael hasn't talked to Willow. Did he even get to see the kids for Christmas morning breakfast?

Good point. The writing really screwed that up.

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GHScorpiosRule

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47 minutes ago, nilyank said:

You is paying the tuition and rent for Emma for her stay in PCU if she was covering up being expelled from school from her parents.

Wonderful. Just Great. Nothing like doing this to Emma only to make Mini-Cujo look better in comparison and to have Cujo lord it over Robin in the parenting department.

FUCK YOU FRANK, KORTE, VAN ETTEN AND THE REST!

15 minutes ago, TVbitch said:

Who will Brenda and Kelly Emma and Joss fight over? Gio would not be believable. They need a  Dylan Johnny Z type. 

Oh please. They did that whole thing when Wee Cameron and MarbleMouthSpencer were competing over Wee Emma and when Joss was like the Child of the Corn. It was distasteful then and I certainly don't want to see a rehash of it now, when we know that mini-Cujo will win this time around.

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GHScorpiosRule

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1 hour ago, Grinaldi said:

Trina and Joss are such goody two shoes that I like Emma getting a bit of shading.

Mini-Cujo a goody two shoes? Since when?

As I stated above, I HATE this change they’ve made to Emma. Watching her lying and lying and then trying to shift blame for something she was responsible for and not taking responsibility? This is NOT the child of Robin!Fucking!Scorpio-Drake! There was just no need to do this to her. And now, in light of learning of her expulsion, she totally stole that money for her damn self. And the absolute BITCHINESS referring to the that gross quadrangle when they were 7? I would have preferred her attitude for cheating on Cameron and the only thing I liked was learning she introduced Gretchen to Cameron. Assuming she wasn’t lying.

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JMO

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I am also not a fan of the unexplained personality change in Emma.  I'm going to need a significant backstory before I can buy it.

Here's the thing with recasts: There will inherently be some degree of change, such as with nuKristina, where the previous actor might have been given the same written dialogue, but emphasized different words or used some other method to put a different spin on it.  Even CM's Drew prior to the Willow fiasco might fall into this category.

But then we have nuEmma, where the entire behavior pattern is altered, and it's the content of the dialogue, and not just the chosen spin or emphasis, that's different.  For me, that's essentially the introduction of a new character, and would be better serviced if they treated it as such.

And yet, as much as I don't like the changes, I am so glad they've given Anna another sphere of interaction and potential storylines, especially having just complained about how isolated they'd made the character.

I hope this is Valentin's exit story.  No spoiler, just a hope.

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Bringonthedrama

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10 hours ago, Desperado said:

Also, does he nave a link to Nina that I don’t know, and knows where she lives?

He could have found out from Maxie, who has been to her place multiple times. Lucas and Maxie have been cousins since they were young children (Bobbie and Tony adopted wee Lucas; Tony's brother Frisco and Felicia had Maxie). Nina is Maxie's SIL/James West's aunt. Maxie's late husband, Nathan, grew up believing he was Nina's younger brother although he was actually her biological cousin. (Leisl was Nathan's birth mother but she gave him to her sister Madeline to raise with Nina.) Nina and Maxie are close.

8 hours ago, DanaK said:

Emma was certainly catty with Joc

Who? I don't understand. Are we talking about Emma getting hostile toward Jack (Brennan) while in a scene with Grandma Anna?  Things have been tense between Anna and Jack and Emma has always adored Grandma.

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mason86

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5 hours ago, GHScorpiosRule said:

Mini-Cujo a goody two shoes? Since when?

As I stated above, I HATE this change they’ve made to Emma. Watching her lying and lying and then trying to shift blame for something she was responsible for and not taking responsibility? This is NOT the child of Robin!Fucking!Scorpio-Drake! There was just no need to do this to her. And now, in light of learning of her expulsion, she totally stole that money for her damn self. And the absolute BITCHINESS referring to the that gross quadrangle when they were 7? I would have preferred her attitude for cheating on Cameron and the only thing I liked was learning she introduced Gretchen to Cameron. Assuming she wasn’t lying.

Go watch clips of robin in the early 90s. She was not a saint as a teen. This emma had more personality imo

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methodwriter85

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12 hours ago, TVbitch said:

Who will Brenda and Kelly Emma and Joss fight over? Gio would not be believable. They need a  Dylan Johnny Z type. 

I love Hudson West, but maybe they could just SORAS Jake and cast him as a bad boy type. They could reasonably go darker with Jake and i'd buy it.

This has probably been the most extensive amount of time I've seen the young adult set in college, at least on GH. It's usually just a year, or two at most, and then they have their degree and are ready to start doing whatever. One Life to Live is the only show I think actually do the entire college set from start to finish with Jessica and then Natalie.

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CeChase

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3 hours ago, methodwriter85 said:

I love Hudson West, but maybe they could just SORAS Jake and cast him as a bad boy type. They could reasonably go darker with Jake and i'd buy it.

This has probably been the most extensive amount of time I've seen the young adult set in college, at least on GH. It's usually just a year, or two at most, and then they have their degree and are ready to start doing whatever. One Life to Live is the only show I think actually do the entire college set from start to finish with Jessica and then Natalie.

I don't understand why Hudson West disappeared in the first place.  He was so good and he was just disappeared.  I don't know if it was a BTS thing, but it makes zero sense to me. 

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GHScorpiosRule

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10 hours ago, mason86 said:

Go watch clips of robin in the early 90s. She was not a saint as a teen. This emma had more personality imo

I watched Robin grow up-I never said she was a saint, nor did I say that Emma should be one. And Robin’s acting out made sense-death of both parents and trauma. What’s this Pod!Emma’s excuse when up until last year or the last time we saw her-maybe two years ago? She was a basically good character with no issues. Plus, this actress has shown no warmth, but brattiness and rudeness.

But potato and potahto  and all that.

I realize I’m alone in my opinion of this Emma I don’t recognize and I’m fine with it.

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JMO

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15 minutes ago, GHScorpiosRule said:

I realize I’m alone in my opinion of this Emma I don’t recognize and I’m fine with it.

You're not alone.  If the writers want to give us a back story that makes some sense of the changes in Emma, I'll reconsider.  But I suspect it was just convenient for them to give a character an off-screen personality change, and I don't like it.

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mason86

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27 minutes ago, GHScorpiosRule said:

I watched Robin grow up-I never said she was a saint, nor did I say that Emma should be one. And Robin’s acting out made sense-death of both parents and trauma. What’s this Pod!Emma’s excuse when up until last year or the last time we saw her-maybe two years ago? She was a basically good character with no issues. Plus, this actress has shown no warmth, but brattiness and rudeness.

But potato and potahto  and all that.

I realize I’m alone in my opinion of this Emma I don’t recognize and I’m fine with it.

Robin was a bratty before her parents left like 91-92

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tessaray

tessaray

I don't have an opinion on Emma yet but she deserves a little time to settle in.

But I agree with other comments that they need a bad boy thrown into the mix. (Maybe Isaiah has a younger brother?) It's weird that the current crop of kids is so wholesome. In real life that would be great but on a soap full of messed up parents? 

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GHScorpiosRule

GHScorpiosRule

56 minutes ago, dubbel zout said:

I'd like the back story on Emma's eyebrows, please.

THANK YOU! I was afraid to post about those!

1 hour ago, Mirabelle said:

I remember Robin asking Robert if she could expect any more surprises from the fruit of his loins when Cheryl claimed Robert was Lucas' father. Robert got angry and Anna jumped in to defend the phrase as being from the Bible. 

And she was a tween or 13 or something. And that’s the last I’ll say on this.

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Cheyanne11

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Emma has literally been on the canvas two episodes.  Not sure why it's expected we already have a detailed history of the last few years of her life.  Personally, if they brought her back and all she was was sunshine and roses (which is essentially what we saw in the very limited time we saw the character in the last several years) there'd be zero reason for her to be on the canvas.  As has been said, the late teen/early twenties set needs a shake-up and a Mary Sue won't due.  

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