Harvey October 21, 2019 Share October 21, 2019 Quote Following the sudden death of a friend, Christy and Bonnie look for ways to honor her memory. Air date: 10/24/19 Link to comment
SoMuchTV October 21, 2019 Share October 21, 2019 6 hours ago, Harvey said: Air date: 10/24/19 6 hours ago, Harvey said: Following the sudden death of a friend, Christy and Bonnie look for ways to honor her memory. Oh my. So one of the regulars, or someone we've never heard of before? Link to comment
Harvey October 22, 2019 Author Share October 22, 2019 7 hours ago, SoMuchTV said: Oh my. So one of the regulars, or someone we've never heard of before? I think it might be Regina because among the listed guest actors there is a guard. I don't think it's one of the main characters . Link to comment
Guest October 22, 2019 Share October 22, 2019 14 minutes ago, Harvey said: I think it might be Regina because among the listed guest actors there is a guard. I don't think it's one of the main characters . Why would that point to Regina? Link to comment
ShortyMac October 25, 2019 Share October 25, 2019 So, it was Mary who died. So sudden, terrible. I loved that we finally got a good Wendy scene. I like that it was Bonnie who went to see her. I love that Jill held Mary's memorial - I thought it was funny that she picked all the things she would want for hers. Of course Bonnie made Mary's death all about her. 9 Link to comment
Chaos Theory October 25, 2019 Share October 25, 2019 So we finally got that Wendy scene we’ve all been asking for. I really liked that it was Wendy and Bonnie. 13 Link to comment
Irlandesa October 25, 2019 Share October 25, 2019 Yes someone must be reading this board from the show. (Not really but I do like that they gave her more of a voice today.) 5 Link to comment
jewel21 October 25, 2019 Share October 25, 2019 I enjoyed the Bonnie and Wendy scene and how Bonnie stood up for Wendy when Christie started talking over her. Hopefully the rest of the group will follow suit. I also hope we continue to learn more about Wendy. I wonder if this episode will make Christie realize that she might be better suited being a social worker, rather than a lawyer, if she truly wants to help people. Poor, Mary. I was sad to see the actress go. I wonder if we'll see more of her daughter? 6 Link to comment
Blakeston October 25, 2019 Share October 25, 2019 37 minutes ago, jewel21 said: IPoor, Mary. I was sad to see the actress go. I wonder if we'll see more of her daughter? I hope so. Lauren Weedman is a fantastic actress. I like Kate Miccuci, but I'd much rather see Mary's daughter show up in future episodes than her. 6 Link to comment
mammaM October 25, 2019 Share October 25, 2019 RIP Mary. I know this wasn't the main storyline, but I'm loving Paget Brewster as Christy's boss. Part of me wants Christy to get her into AA and part of me wants her to continue to be the psychotic hot mess that she is (and a tiny part wants to see her and chef Rudy hook up😂😂😂) 7 Link to comment
MissLucas October 25, 2019 Share October 25, 2019 Good episode - definitely felt as if someone in the writers room has been lurking here 😁 We got a real Wendy plot and can add a couple of things to her bio. What I really liked was that it felt natural and not forced. I wonder how much of Bonnie's new attitude will last beyond this episode. That said she's definitely a better person than she was in S1 but I don't think such dramatic changes in her get-up will last. I wish some of her new attitude towards Wendy would, though I'm not holding my breath. I wonder if Jill goes through with her plans for 'It's Your Funeral' - it sounds like a good idea and it would give her something to do. I liked the reality check Christy's boss delivered. Did she really enter law school assuming she would only get Petrocelli (dating myself here) cases? But she must have been good in court since she won despite boss lady's predictions. So she's good at it but doesn't like some aspects of the job (welcome to the real world Christy). It will be interesting to see if she pulls through or quits. Also: folks, don't mess with Marjorie's bacon! 3 Link to comment
Harvey October 25, 2019 Author Share October 25, 2019 56 minutes ago, mammaM said: RIP Mary. I know this wasn't the main storyline, but I'm loving Paget Brewster as Christy's boss. Part of me wants Christy to get her into AA and part of me wants her to continue to be the psychotic hot mess that she is (and a tiny part wants to see her and chef Rudy hook up😂😂😂) So far all scenes with the boss are gold. I love it when she continuously screams Christy's name until she finally comes in 😄 I hope she sticks around for a couple of more episodes. 2 Link to comment
Chaos Theory October 25, 2019 Share October 25, 2019 (edited) 2 hours ago, mammaM said: RIP Mary. I know this wasn't the main storyline, but I'm loving Paget Brewster as Christy's boss. Part of me wants Christy to get her into AA and part of me wants her to continue to be the psychotic hot mess that she is (and a tiny part wants to see her and chef Rudy hook up😂😂😂) Now I am remembering the episode where Bonnie and Chef Rudy hooked up and how hilarious that was. This has the same potential to crash and burn so so hard. I keep thinking Paget Brewster would make an awesome addition to the cast even if it was just short run. The hot mess who can’t adapt to the sober life. Christy went into law wanting to help the downtrodden. I don’t think it really occurred to her that even the downtrodden could be guilty. That those might actually be the ones who need a good lawyer most. Edited October 25, 2019 by Chaos Theory 5 Link to comment
Blakeston October 25, 2019 Share October 25, 2019 I thought Christy was justified in telling her boss that Stink wasn't a worthy choice for pro bono representation. She wasn't arguing that he should have to appear in court without a lawyer, or that he should found guilty without a trial. She was talking about whether he should be one of the tiny handful of defendants who gets represented by a large firm for free. Why not find a better candidate? I don't see why Stink should get that kind of break just because someone at the firm was friends with one of his relatives. 4 Link to comment
Agent 817 October 25, 2019 Share October 25, 2019 Finally we got something with Wendy. I mean there was the Christmas episode from last episode when we started getting some insight into her family. The same could be said about the episode of when Christy was really ill (Not the one when she acted like a child) and was sent to the emergency room. I hope we get more development and insight into Wendy. It's great that the writers even saw that there was mystery surrounding her. As for the other plots, I chuckled at the bits with Tammy and Marjorie. It was a bit over-the-top but I think was the point. 6 Link to comment
iMonrey October 25, 2019 Share October 25, 2019 One thing this show does really well is tackle somber issues without abandoning the comedy. Mary's death affected everyone in a different way and we got some much-needed character development for Wendy out of it. Boy, I know how she feels, being part of a group that people sort of take for granted and don't really seem that interested in personally. Hopefully the show can continue to develop her character a little bit. This has been my main gripe for a few seasons, ever since Wendy, Jill and Marjorie's pictures were added to the opening title sequence. They're sort of selling the show as an ensemble but those three characters need more screen time to justify it. They're doing better so far this season. I love Bonnie trying to be nice and everyone - including herself - not knowing quite what to make of it. I don't expect it to last though. Not even past this episode. 3 Link to comment
illdoc October 25, 2019 Share October 25, 2019 5 hours ago, MissLucas said: But she must have been good in court since she won despite boss lady's predictions. Question: Can Christy actually represent someone in court? She is not a lawyer! She is a law student (first year, I believe) who has definitely not passed the bar (no pun intended). It would be one thing if her boss was actually appearing in court while Christy did all the work, but it seems like Christy was the only one in court. Isn't "representing yourself as a lawyer when you are not one" a crime???? Christy isn't even a paralegal!!! If Stink had lost, he would've had grounds for appeal and Christy and possibly even her boss would get into legal trouble too. 2 Link to comment
MissLucas October 25, 2019 Share October 25, 2019 Maybe Christy did all the gruntwork and Boss Lady did the actual representing at court with Christy shuffling papers at her side? But I've got all my legal knowledge from The Good Wife. 3 Link to comment
Bort October 25, 2019 Share October 25, 2019 31 minutes ago, illdoc said: Question: Can Christy actually represent someone in court? She is not a lawyer! She is a law student (first year, I believe) who has definitely not passed the bar (no pun intended). It would be one thing if her boss was actually appearing in court while Christy did all the work, but it seems like Christy was the only one in court. Isn't "representing yourself as a lawyer when you are not one" a crime???? Christy isn't even a paralegal!!! If Stink had lost, he would've had grounds for appeal and Christy and possibly even her boss would get into legal trouble too. She can if her boss is sitting right next to her in the courtroom. (Learned from Legally Blonde, but I'm pretty sure that's correct.) 5 Link to comment
Blakeston October 25, 2019 Share October 25, 2019 Christy would definitely not be able to represent someone independently. Stink was the boss's client, though - it counted toward her pro bono hours. Christy was doing all the gruntwork, but i'm sure her boss appeared in court in an official capacity when necessary. 3 Link to comment
kwnyc October 25, 2019 Share October 25, 2019 Quote Now I am remembering the episode where Bonnie and Chef Rudy hooked up and how hilarious that was. The scene where Bonnie wrecked his house, which turned him on, is one of the best things from the early seasons. As for Present Day Bonnie, i think having her try to be nice is a smart idea: she's several years into her sobriety (lapse notwithstanding), and has to be maturing and moving on, in her Bonnie way. Which is why it was also touching, and smart, to show Tammy, who is fresh in her sobriety, have to deal with death (and fear for Marjorie) the way a child would. Evil Boss is so evil, it has to be working on Christy's sobriety. She's learned about removing herself from abusive situations during her years in recovery, and having someone SO demanding and awful can't be good for her. I'm hoping THAT develops into a major plot point this season. The only thing I thought could have been better was if the Jesus who visits Bonnie when she's hallucinating/stoned had made an appearance. 2 Link to comment
nodorothyparker October 25, 2019 Share October 25, 2019 Jill and Tammy's reactions every time Bonnie was trying to be nice as they realized they couldn't tell when she was being sincere and when she was being snide were priceless. It makes sense that Jill would totally be in her element as a funeral party planner and it would be great to see that be the thing that finally gives her some purpose as the rest of her life seems to be coming together. While obviously not the sole reason for her problems, it's also been obvious that the amount of free time she has on her hands hasn't helped her any. Her picking all of her favorite things because none of them really knew much about Mary was both sad and funny. I'm enjoying evil boss a lot more than I would have thought and I liked her giving Christy the reality check that being a lawyer isn't just about the high-minded Atticus Finch ideals of saving the poor and downtrodden that Chisty's been parroting all along as her reason for doing this. It would be interesting to see this be the beginning of her realizing that maybe being a lawyer wasn't really what she was looking for after all, but we'll see. Tammy obsessing over what she believes is Marjorie's impending demise was hysterical. 9 Link to comment
eel21788 October 25, 2019 Share October 25, 2019 19 hours ago, jewel21 said: I wonder if this episode will make Christie realize that she might be better suited being a social worker, rather than a lawyer, if she truly wants to help people. In the pilot, she wanted to be a psychologist. I'd like to see them revisit that. 1 Link to comment
Bort October 25, 2019 Share October 25, 2019 If Christy doesn't want to be the type of lawyer that gets guilty people out of having to go to jail, I don't know why it doesn't occur to her to be a prosecutor instead. 1 1 Link to comment
ShawnaLanne October 26, 2019 Share October 26, 2019 13 hours ago, mammaM said: RIP Mary. I know this wasn't the main storyline, but I'm loving Paget Brewster as Christy's boss. Part of me wants Christy to get her into AA and part of me wants her to continue to be the psychotic hot mess that she is (and a tiny part wants to see her and chef Rudy hook up😂😂😂) Ohhhhh. Now I really want to see she and Chef Rudy hook up. They would be Bonnie and Clyde. I liked learning more about Wendy and it was interesting to watch Bonnie grow emotionally. I'm a friend of Bill (in AA) and there are these emotional jumps that happen every so often, I enjoed watching it here. 2 Link to comment
Tosia October 28, 2019 Share October 28, 2019 I hate Christy's evil boss. Sorry. Abusive and insane is more like it, than evil. Not funny to see someone yelled at so much. 9 Link to comment
funky-rat October 28, 2019 Share October 28, 2019 I realize her boss is supposed to be a caricature, but I just find her too annoying and over the top. She could dial it down a bit and still have the same effect. 8 Link to comment
kwnyc October 28, 2019 Share October 28, 2019 I agree. Crazy, abusive bosses are less comic than they used to be...maybe because people being screamed at and physically and verbally abused isn't considered a laugh riot anymore. 5 Link to comment
eel21788 October 28, 2019 Share October 28, 2019 On 10/25/2019 at 5:47 PM, kariyaki said: If Christy doesn't want to be the type of lawyer that gets guilty people out of having to go to jail, I don't know why it doesn't occur to her to be a prosecutor instead. Her reason to become a lawyer was to help the underdog. That would really defeat her purpose. She'd be trying to put people who may be innocent in jail, too. She wouldn't be able to just prosecute the cases where the accused is always guilty. 1 Link to comment
Guest October 28, 2019 Share October 28, 2019 59 minutes ago, eel21788 said: Her reason to become a lawyer was to help the underdog. That would really defeat her purpose. She'd be trying to put people who may be innocent in jail, too. She wouldn't be able to just prosecute the cases where the accused is always guilty. Not necessarily but it would require to be open to the idea there is more than one way to help. Prosecutors have a say in who is charged and what plea deals are offered. As a prosecutor she would be able to help victims which would probably appeal to her because she has been one at several points in her life. They’re not always right but a good prosecutor should always believe that the accused is guilty. But a defense attorney often knows their client is guilty and they still have to provide a good defense. Link to comment
kwnyc October 28, 2019 Share October 28, 2019 Yes to all of this. Evil Boss served as a reality check for Christy, who often has ideas that aren't grounded in reality. We've been shown that she is smart, and has a good grasp of the law. Maybe Evil Boss is there for her to realize that there ARE a lot of other ways to help people: from working with non-profits, to immigration and civil rights law, and more. I have a friend who works for the EEOC, and she knows there are days when she's made a difference for a LOT of people. Christy doesn't have to end up at a white-shoe law firm (as if she would, graduating from the University of Ample Parking), but she doesn't have to be a high- or low-end ambulance chaser, either. (And I've always wondered why Jill doesn't start a non-profit...she's got the money, and in one busted plot idea from last season, she wanted to work at a women's shelter.) 4 Link to comment
SunnyBeBe October 29, 2019 Share October 29, 2019 (edited) I do feel for Christy in that law office. Takes me back a few years, though, I never had a boss that mean. I wonder if the show writers have considered just how problematic substance abuse is within the legal field and that's why she is bound for becoming an attorney. Substance abuse is a HUGE problem. One reason may be that the practice of law is very stressful and demanding. There are some real jerks in the field too. No matter which direction you go, there are issues. I had a colleague/friend get attacked in open court by his own client! He was seriously injured in just a few seconds. It was never clear why his client turned on him in the criminal case. And, another friend/colleague of mine had her father KIDNAPPED by a gang in order to punish her for sending their leader to prison! I'm NOT kidding.( Link below if interested. ) They actually went to abduct her, but, went to her parents house by mistake, so took her dad instead. The FBI miraculously rescued him in an apt in Atlanta, but, he suffered permanent injury from being tied up for several days. So, there are risks no matter which field you go into. lol https://www.wral.com/gang-leader-gets-life-sentence-for-kidnapping-wake-prosecutor-s-father/16222322/ I just love this show. It's actually better now than earlier seasons. I don't think I have ever said that before about a comedy series. Edited October 29, 2019 by SunnyBeBe 7 Link to comment
Sarah 103 October 29, 2019 Share October 29, 2019 23 hours ago, kwnyc said: Maybe Evil Boss is there for her to realize that there ARE a lot of other ways to help people: from working with non-profits, to immigration and civil rights law, and more. I have a friend who works for the EEOC, and she knows there are days when she's made a difference for a LOT of people. Christy doesn't have to end up at a white-shoe law firm (as if she would, graduating from the University of Ample Parking), but she doesn't have to be a high- or low-end ambulance chaser, either. Yes. I was trying to find a way to say this, and you put into words perfectly. Christy will (hopefully) graduate with a law degree, but she doesn't need to go into a courtroom to help people. There are other ways she could put her legal degree to good use for people in desperate need of assistance and never set foot in a courtroom. 1 Link to comment
Chaos Theory October 29, 2019 Share October 29, 2019 (edited) Maybe because abusive boss is played by such a likable actor like Paget Brewster I am finding her hilarious. A lessor actor/actress it might not work but then I am not against the.....ick don’t make me use the word....trope. i feel dirty. I actually find it far better then the early storyline of “of course Christy is the one to be sleeping with her married passive aggressive boss”. I found that boring and was glad when he was gone. Edited October 29, 2019 by Chaos Theory 3 Link to comment
BabyVegas October 29, 2019 Share October 29, 2019 52 minutes ago, SunnyBeBe said: I wonder if the show writers have considered just how problematic substance abuse is within the legal field and that's why she is bound for becoming an attorney. Substance abuse is a HUGE problem. Thank you for bringing this up! If my memory is correct (50/50 shot at best), Christy has now had a teacher who had a drinking problem and a boss who has been abusing stimulants/downers. If I had Christy's history, I'd be worrying about triggers for relapse way more than she seems to be doing. Not to mention that California's bar exam is one of the most difficult in the country. Based on Christy's stats, she is unlikely to pass her first time out. I get that they're going for comedy, but considering how well-known the legal field is for having substance abuse problems, I think that ignoring it makes no sense. On 10/28/2019 at 12:37 PM, Dani said: Prosecutors have a say in who is charged and what plea deals are offered. As a prosecutor she would be able to help victims which would probably appeal to her because she has been one at several points in her life. Yup yup yup. As someone who has had substance abuse problems, I would think Christy could be quite sympathetic to a defendant who clearly needs help. I also think it would be an interesting conflict to have Christy grapple with how she can help people in a way that might have been useful to her when she was still in the drinking/drug portion of her life but also struggling with trying to figure out who she should be giving those chances to. I mean, it might be harder to turn it into comedy but this is a sitcom about recovering addicts so I think it's doable. 2 Link to comment
CouchTater November 1, 2019 Share November 1, 2019 On 10/28/2019 at 4:22 PM, kwnyc said: (And I've always wondered why Jill doesn't start a non-profit...she's got the money, and in one busted plot idea from last season, she wanted to work at a women's shelter.) The way Jill was lamenting about not knowing Mary and thus not being able to host a Mary-specific wake, I thought her idea for a non-profit might be to throw a little celebration for living, older people who might need some acknowledgment and happiness in their life, sort of a pre-wake? It sounds lame even as I'm typing it. LOL. Speaking of Mary, did the actress possibly have a stroke? She looked significantly thinner and seemed to have a differ manner of speaking, as if her mouth couldn't open completely. 3 Link to comment
MissLucas November 2, 2019 Share November 2, 2019 23 hours ago, CouchTater said: The way Jill was lamenting about not knowing Mary and thus not being able to host a Mary-specific wake, I thought her idea for a non-profit might be to throw a little celebration for living, older people who might need some acknowledgment and happiness in their life, sort of a pre-wake? It sounds lame even as I'm typing it. LOL. Aww, that sounds not lame at all but rather terrific! 3 Link to comment
TVMovieBuff November 4, 2019 Share November 4, 2019 Laughter through tears; the thing Mom does better than any other show. 5 Link to comment
proserpina65 November 15, 2019 Share November 15, 2019 On 10/25/2019 at 10:56 AM, Blakeston said: I thought Christy was justified in telling her boss that Stink wasn't a worthy choice for pro bono representation. She wasn't arguing that he should have to appear in court without a lawyer, or that he should found guilty without a trial. She was talking about whether he should be one of the tiny handful of defendants who gets represented by a large firm for free. Why not find a better candidate? I don't see why Stink should get that kind of break just because someone at the firm was friends with one of his relatives. I don't know about law firms doing pro bono work, but in my state, the Office of the Public Defender has no choice about which defendants to represent. As long as the defendant meets the financial requirements, the OPD has to represent them in court, no matter how crappy they are. Link to comment
proserpina65 November 15, 2019 Share November 15, 2019 On 10/25/2019 at 2:14 PM, illdoc said: Question: Can Christy actually represent someone in court? She is not a lawyer! She is a law student (first year, I believe) who has definitely not passed the bar (no pun intended). Not in my state. An attorney has to have passed the bar here in order to represent a party in court. She could've sat in with an attorney who passed the bar and observed, but not actually spoken in court on behalf of the client. Not sure about California, though. On 10/25/2019 at 7:47 PM, kariyaki said: If Christy doesn't want to be the type of lawyer that gets guilty people out of having to go to jail, I don't know why it doesn't occur to her to be a prosecutor instead. She doesn't have to go into criminal law at all. She could do family law instead. 2 Link to comment
kwnyc November 18, 2019 Share November 18, 2019 On 11/15/2019 at 3:57 PM, proserpina65 said: She doesn't have to go into criminal law at all. She could do family law instead. Yep. Or work for a non-profit, from the ACLU to RAICES. There is a lot of truth and honesty with the characters making it from day to day, but Christy's law school experience is pretty half-assed. 4 Link to comment
TVMovieBuff November 18, 2019 Share November 18, 2019 There are so many kinds of law Christy could practice. She could be house counsel for a large firm. They make decent money. A firm that isn't a law firm but any issues that could become a legal matter, the house counsel deals with. Money was a big reason for Christy to want to be a lawyer, as well as helping people. Working for a non-profit doesn't pay much. 1 Link to comment
BookThief June 4, 2020 Share June 4, 2020 Mary Pat Gleason who played the Mary that died in this episode, just died. It's probably easier to name all the shows she wasn't in. 1 Link to comment
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