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S17.E26: Christina Hoff Sommers, Maria Teresa Kumar, Joe Walsh, John Delaney, and Matt Welch

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Fuck Joe Walsh.

Sorry if this doesn’t add to nor elevate the conversation, but no. He doesn’t get a pass for being a Conservative no Trumper. I haven’t heard a single policy proposal that would separate him from Trump so far during this interview. Haven’t heard any policy proposals from him, actually. He said Trump is a conman and that’s pretty much it. He did indicate that he now believes global warming exists, or at the very least, acknowledges that it’s real. I think I heard him say that, anyway.

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What Alexis said about Joe Walsh. I don't give a fuck about his criticisms towards the  current president., Walsh continues to support many of the same proposals the president's agenda puts out.

And if gaping asshole Bill wishes to engage in his fat shaming overdrive agenda, then the first person he needs to target is his all around BFF, walking smelly toxic turd of an asshole, and his guest next week, Michael Moore. If not, then Bill should  SHUT HIS FUCKING GODDAMN IGNORANT MOUTH UP!

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I don’t even know where  to begin with Bill’s whitewashing of Christina Hoff Sommers. Pretty much every word out of her mouth tonight lies (pun intended) somewhere on the scale between “disingenuous” and “absolute whopper.”   If the “Sure Jan” Brady Bunch meme were to suddenly spring to life and become a person, it would be Christina Hoff Sommers.

If you had a penny for every reason Bill didn’t tell you about why Sommers is controversial or why people might want to protest her you’d be a very, very rich person. Let’s just say that things like her “accidentally” appearing on a white nationalist talk show (yeah, oops, who hasn’t accidentally appeared on an organized racist group’s show, whoopsy daisy) or her constant claim that she’s a Democrat who just happens to work longterm for a far-right thinktank and takes her money from several conservative groups— these things don’t even make the top ten of why she’s controversial.

But to hear her and Bill tell it tonight you’d think it was just those mean old feminists who hate men being so mean to poor little her.   Yet she’s the one saying feminists are running around playing victim. That’s some real chutzpah right there.   Sure, Jan.  And here’s Bill as usual offering no context whatsoever and not questioning a thing she says.

At least we didn’t have to hear Bill do his usual “aren’t you brave for coming on my show” baloney.   Bill’s constant message to the far right is “you all better bring your courage if you’re gonna appear on my show because I might be forced to ask you softball questions and agree with everything you say.”

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I was so angry after that malarkey. All of it. From the person at the top of the show (what does she think the Lilly Ledbetter act was about?) to the bad Joe Walsh to the fat shaming final rule, Bill can go fuck himself. 

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Bill's not going to gain right wing viewers by trying to pander to them.

PI is 40 years old?  And he says he failed to stop or eliminate political correctness.

He just wanted to be able to say impolitic things in his act.  He commands a lot of money so he did pretty much prosper from his anti PC shtick.

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I didn't know anything about the interview guest, but I got nothing out of that. 

Here's the thing - people get to protest whatever they want. You don't have to like it. Complaining about it just comes off as condescending. 

And - if you don't want to be touched, you don't have to be. You can be pissed about it. Sure, getting your hair touched isn't the same as getting beaten up, but you still don't have to like it. 

But now that you all provided context, this woman seems like a shit. 

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When bill goes into his Americans are too fat sermon, I notice he never discusses one of the reasons this can affect low income families.  A lot of lower income places have food deserts where access to fresh fruits and vegetables is difficult. There is also the fact that healthy food can be expensive to buy for a family.  When I was teaching in a poor school district I knew the families.  They would have a lot of spaghetti, hot dogs, or instant mac and cheese because the price was a dollar or less.  Good cuts of beef or chicken and fresh veggies cost more .  Now I see a lot of the same buying groceries at the Dollar Tree...you know that is food is going to be fattening and well.  They dont get exercise because they kids r latchkey and dont get out and the parents work long hours or more than 1 job and are exhasted..

I know there r plenty of other reasons, but bill acts like it all just gluttony.  Maybe that picture he showed was before wages stagnated.

I once heard a man speak about why the US does not have universal healthcare.  He said when you keep your people poor with low wages, scared of losing their jobs and sick..they are easier to control.

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9 hours ago, Alexis2291 said:

Fuck Joe Walsh.

Sorry if this doesn’t add to nor elevate the conversation, but no. He doesn’t get a pass for being a Conservative no Trumper. I haven’t heard a single policy proposal that would separate him from Trump so far during this interview. Haven’t heard any policy proposals from him, actually. He said Trump is a conman and that’s pretty much it. He did indicate that he now believes global warming exists, or at the very least, acknowledges that it’s real. I think I heard him say that, anyway.

Not only that but he literally said his rhetoric led to Trump. But fuck you again because you also said you voted for him for the SCOTUS seat and sold out the country. 

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4 hours ago, HelenBaby said:

I was so angry after that malarkey. All of it. From the person at the top of the show (what does she think the Lilly Ledbetter act was about?) to the bad Joe Walsh to the fat shaming final rule, Bill can go fuck himself. 

I wonder if Bill creates his most potentially offensive shows for nights when he has to skip out of town right away. 

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I certainly agree that people should eat better. My colleague goes out to lunch way too much and can afford to bring his own lunch. He knows it, but he's just lazy. 

That's not the case for a lot of people. You're not going to buy peaches at two dollars a pound for a 5 person family even if you have access to a good grocery store. 

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Yay!!!!  Thanks, folks.  I'm leaving tomorrow for Phoenix and have a busy day today, so I can delete this DVR recording and not worry about not having enough time to view it.

Thanks again.

Seriously, I'm beginning to wonder if Bill is suffering from his own dementia.

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Last show (maybe others) and this week, we are seeing Bill develop a "thing" that Elizabeth Warren is too liberal to be elected. This is similar to others such as Donny Deutsch who became a broken record that she would lose 49 states. The idea is Trump will just call her a socialist and automatically he wins!! Once Bill gets into a "thing" about something, he will revisit it ad infinitum. I'd like to see someone call him out on this and maybe point out that her basic message (system is rigged) and the way she conveys it has huge resonance, and she CAN win. At least discuss it on the show instead of everyone bowing to him on it.

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1 minute ago, Pat Hoolihan said:

Last week (maybe others) and this week, we are seeing Bill develop a "thing" that Elizabeth Warren is too liberal to be elected. This is similar to others such as Donny Deutsch who became a broken record that she would lose 49 states. The idea is Trump will just call her a socialist and ipso facto! he wins!! Once Bill gets into a "thing" about something, he will revisit it ad infinitum. I'd like to see someone call him out on this and maybe point out that her basic message (system is rigged) and the way she conveys it has huge resonance, and she CAN win. At least discuss it on the show instead of everyone kowtowing to him on it.

What she should do is accept an invitation, or even request an invite, for the opening interview and let her rip him a new one.  I'd definitely make the time to watch that!!!!!

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There are plenty, PLENTY of fat middle- and upper-class people in this country, folks who can very easily afford basic healthy food. To claim that the epidemic of obesity is because poor people can't afford fruits and vegetables is nonsense. You don't have to shop at Whole Foods to eat healthier. And the problem isn't only what foods we eat, but the amount.

Gluttony is a form of self-indulgence and self-medication. We are a nation of lazy people looking for instant gratification. We eat what we want and we don't exercise. Parents feed their children whatever the kid will eat, they don't teach healthy eating habits, they just want the kid to stop whining. Let's not pretend and make excuses for our own bad behavior.

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1 hour ago, Gothish520 said:

There are plenty, PLENTY of fat middle- and upper-class people in this country, folks who can very easily afford basic healthy food. To claim that the epidemic of obesity is because poor people can't afford fruits and vegetables is nonsense. You don't have to shop at Whole Foods to eat healthier. And the problem isn't only what foods we eat, but the amount. 

I'd say it's much less nonsensical than the idea that if you shame someone, they will magically lose weight. 

I am looking forward to seeing Bill Maher shame and humiliate his great pal Chris Christie the next time he appears. 

Oh, wait - he's rich and Republican. Never mind. 

2 hours ago, b2H said:

What she should do is accept an invitation, or even request an invite, for the opening interview and let her rip him a new one.  I'd definitely make the time to watch that!!!!!

I'd rather she just ignore his existence. 

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20 minutes ago, scrb said:

It's not just gluttony though.

People eat their feelings too.

Absolutely, that's why I said self-medication. I'm certainly guilty of that, as well as self-indulgence.

2 minutes ago, Pete Martell said:

I'd say it's much less nonsensical than the idea that if you shame someone, they will magically lose weight. 

I am looking forward to seeing Bill Maher shame and humiliate his great pal Chris Christie the next time he appears. 

Oh, wait - he's rich and Republican. Never mind. 

I do agree that fat-shaming does not help. It only makes someone feel worse about themselves. I've gone up and down the scale for most of my life, and whenever someone pointed out that I had gained weight, it only made me feel embarassed and ashamed. It's not like I said, "Oh wow, thanks, diet starts now!" It's not like people don't know they're fat. 

But I do think being very overweight has gained a measure of acceptance, or at least indifference, by the public and maybe we should be more cognizant of the fact that there is nothing good or healthy about being obese. Even doctors don't push for weight loss and exercise like they did back in the day. 

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Never mind the problem of 'food deserts', Bill has infamously said in the past that supermarkets are unhealthy and no one should shop there. A supermarket would be a big step up for people who live in the food deserts, and Bill doesn't even approve of that. I guess he thinks everyone lives in a big city with an array of shopping options available, along with a large amount of disposable cash. That makes it ok for him to fat shame and demean people who don't conform to his ideals. 

Screw you, Bill. 

And screw Sommers, too. That was the most dishonest interview I've ever seen. 

What a horrible episode. 

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I misread the guest list and was excited that John Mulaney was scheduled.....

And why was Don Henley not invited along with Joe Walsh?????

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3 hours ago, Gothish520 said:

There are plenty, PLENTY of fat middle- and upper-class people in this country, folks who can very easily afford basic healthy food. To claim that the epidemic of obesity is because poor people can't afford fruits and vegetables is nonsense. You don't have to shop at Whole Foods to eat healthier. And the problem isn't only what foods we eat, but the amount.

Gluttony is a form of self-indulgence and self-medication. We are a nation of lazy people looking for instant gratification. We eat what we want and we don't exercise. Parents feed their children whatever the kid will eat, they don't teach healthy eating habits, they just want the kid to stop whining. Let's not pretend and make excuses for our own bad behavior.

To me it seems unlikely that the country collectively just became lazy and gluttonous at the same historical time. It's not like people in the 60s were all so into healthy eating and living and exercising.  So I really do think there must be things in the outside world now that makes it easier to weigh moreso those people back then would have been heavier too.

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2 hours ago, Gothish520 said:

But I do think being very overweight has gained a measure of acceptance, or at least indifference, by the public and maybe we should be more cognizant of the fact that there is nothing good or healthy about being obese. 

Thank you.  It aggravates the crap out of me when I see an overweight person on TV who says, "But I'm healthy!" 

And I say that as someone who is 50 lbs overweight myself. 

Just this past week, on Big Brother, one of the evictees, Jessica, a very overweight person, said she wanted to go on BB to show people that big people can do what thin people can do, and be healthy.  And then she reiterated, "I'm healthy."  And I though, maybe you can get away with saying that now in your 30s, but in another few years, not so much.       

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38 minutes ago, sistermagpie said:

To me it seems unlikely that the country collectively just became lazy and gluttonous at the same historical time. It's not like people in the 60s were all so into healthy eating and living and exercising.  So I really do think there must be things in the outside world now that makes it easier to weigh moreso those people back then would have been heavier too.

They smoked a shit ton too.

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I think we might be being a little harsh on Bill this week. His interview of Joe Walsh was actually a pretty good effort. He really did identify most of the issues of his candidacy and challenge him. Of course he was limited by his refusal to to do his homework and actually prepare followup questions to get Walsh to go beyond his talking points, but he did try. So that didn't suck nearly as much as it could have.

As far as the rest of the show? Yeah that was a real shit sandwich, with a turd brownie for dessert. You would think a week off and a wealth of topics both newsworthy and ripe with comedic potential he could come up with something, but I guess not. With the exception of Joe Walsh it felt like he was perfunctorily running through some old standbys because HBO insisted he actually do his day job before he could go play Vegas.

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Christina Hoff Sommers is basically in league with Camille Paglia in terms of trolling feminists. We (meaning myself and other feminists, famous and otherwise) kind of just stare at them blankly for a moment and then move on. They are ALL about the attention, always have been.

I did hate how much she and Bill (and the audience!) dismissed and outright laughed about Lucy Flores' accusation against Joe Biden though. That made me sick. 

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4 minutes ago, UYI said:

Christina Hoff Sommers is basically in league with Camille Paglia in terms of trolling feminists. We (meaning myself and other feminists, famous and otherwise) kind of just stare at them blankly for a moment and then move on. They are ALL about the attention, always have been.

I did hate how much she and Bill (and the audience!) dismiised and ouright laughed Lucy Flores' accusation against Joe Biden though. That made me sick. 

Yeah, pretending as if her description was her hyperventilating when she was just talking about how inappropriate it was that this man was doing this. Her descriotion was funnier than Bill's jokes on the subject.  And meanwhile acting like it's totally normal to have an old man come up and smell your hair. 

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3 minutes ago, sistermagpie said:

Yeah, pretending as if her description was her hyperventilating when she was just talking about how inappropriate it was that this man was doing this. Her descriotion was funnier than Bill's jokes on the subject.  And meanwhile acting like it's totally normal to have an old man come up and smell your hair. 

Not just smell the hair, but then kiss the back of your head! Definitely a WTF moment.

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8 hours ago, Gothish520 said:

Not just smell the hair, but then kiss the back of your head! Definitely a WTF moment.

How about moving to the side and saying "personal space, Joe"....

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5 hours ago, MsTree said:

How about moving to the side and saying "personal space, Joe"....

Oh, there's plenty of things one could do in a situation like that, and I think the description of events was a bit overwrought. But I certainly understand why one would be unsettled by Biden's actions.

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1 hour ago, Gothish520 said:

Oh, there's plenty of things one could do in a situation like that, and I think the description of events was a bit overwrought. But I certainly understand why one would be unsettled by Biden's actions. 

But, imo, it was overwrought in the standard way people talk about inappropriate social interactions. It's not like her language didn't make it clear she saw the humor in it. Bill was being completely disingenuous in reading it as if she was having a nervous breakdown during it.

The woman presumably did move away since she went onstage. She shouldn't have to have to say "Personal space, Joe," because despite how Bill was presenting it ("An old guy is kissing your neck? What's not to understand?") what a normal person wouldn't be doing it to begin with. That's why she was so unprepared for it. There's just not a single thing the woman did in the situation as described that's strange or says she's a weirdo. Sommers (and Bill, it seems) just prefer a world where men doing stuff like this is considered more normal, like it probably was back when Sommers claims she "became a feminist."

It's something I thought was kind of ironic about her argument. She's claiming she's the strong woman for putting up with stuff like women did in the 70s and these younger women are weak for having no tolerance for it. (Yes, I get that she's also saying they should stand up and fight against it instead of curling up and crying, but we only have her word for it that that's what they're doing--the Biden woman suffered through it but is coming out and saying it was inappropriate and simply saying he shouldn't do it in the future.)

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9 hours ago, MsTree said:

How about moving to the side and saying "personal space, Joe"....

If someone had done this 20-30 years ago, perhaps he would have gotten a clue earlier.  Not that I blame the women, but saying/doing nothing is in effect saying you're OK with it.

Now that I'm older and bolder I even mention to "close talkers" what a socially acceptable distance to stand would be.  Really tall guys don't seem to realize that they are perceived as trying to intimidate people when they crowd people and make it impossible to look them in the eye.

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Do not use what a guest on the show said about Joe Biden as a jumping off point to draw comparisons to any other politician's behavior. Posts doing so have been removed. Warnings will be issued for future posts of this kind. Stick to what was said on the show only.

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I'm not bothered by fat shaming. I don't subscribe to the notion that all humans are perfect with no room for improvement.  That's just lazy copout from people unwilling to improve themselves.

Shame is healthy. It forces improvement. 

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1 hour ago, TeenMom69 said:

I'm not bothered by fat shaming. I don't subscribe to the notion that all humans are perfect with no room for improvement.  That's just lazy copout from people unwilling to improve themselves.

Shame is healthy. It forces improvement. 

Shaming is NOT healthy. Shaming = Bullying. That doesn't force improvement That just coming off as a jerk, which is Bill's whole fucking way of dealing with things.

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Stop! You're both right!

(OK, this is just my take, but...)

Personal shaming--like one person shaming another--is bullying, and counter-productive to boot. The person being shamed invariably becomes defensive rather than embracing change.

But a sense of internal shame--the kind that comes from the feeling we have inside that we have not lived up to the version of ourselves that we want to be--I think can result in change.

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Fat shaming is, at best, rude. At worst: highly damaging and counterproductive. What I don’t understand is why random people think they have some intrinsic right to shame other random people about their weight.

I’m finding less and less common ground with Bill these days. And more and more, he comes off as just some grumpy old man ranting against ~these damn kids and their new-fangled thinking~.

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On 9/8/2019 at 1:50 PM, deirdra said:

If someone had done this 20-30 years ago, perhaps he would have gotten a clue earlier.  Not that I blame the women, but saying/doing nothing is in effect saying you're OK with it.

Now that I'm older and bolder I even mention to "close talkers" what a socially acceptable distance to stand would be.  Really tall guys don't seem to realize that they are perceived as trying to intimidate people when they crowd people and make it impossible to look them in the eye.

There are any number of reasons why someone wouldn’t say/do something, doesn’t necessarily mean they are ok with it. 

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I would never shame someone to their face but I also wouldn't say you look fantastic would you like a donut. No one deserves praise for being obese.

Overeating is just slow suicide. Would you encourage your loved ones to commit suicide? 

Not to mention obesity increases medical costs for all. That was Bill's main point, that Americans will not lift a finger to help improve their own health. He's not wrong.

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1 hour ago, link417 said:

There are any number of reasons why someone wouldn’t say/do something, doesn’t necessarily mean they are ok with it. 

The victim is not OK with it but the perp thinks she is and will continue the bad behaviour.

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1 hour ago, TeenMom69 said:

I would never shame someone to their face but I also wouldn't say you look fantastic would you like a donut. No one deserves praise for being obese.

Overeating is just slow suicide. Would you encourage your loved ones to commit suicide?

No, but calling them "Fatty Fatty Fuckface" in their grill, like Bill would seem to try, is only going to do the opposite.

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Not to mention obesity increases medical costs for all. That was Bill's main point, that Americans will not lift a finger to help improve their own health. He's not wrong.

Then maybe he should lead a vigorous campaign to encourage more people to exercise and eat healthy and get them to eat more organically grown products that don't contain any unhealthy chemicals designed to make the food last longer. Oh wait, that takes a lot of hard word, which will cut into Bill's stand up performances and pot smoking time. Something he's loathe to give up.

You know what else increases medical costs? Treating people for severe crippiling injuries for calling someone "Fatty Fatty Fuckface".

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13 hours ago, deirdra said:

The victim is not OK with it but the perp thinks she is and will continue the bad behaviour.

I can understand that, but if someone is shocked or in fear, they may not be able to speak up about it in the moment. The victim is not responsible for being violated by the perpetrator.

I definitely think it is important to teach people that they can and should speak out when their personal space is violated, but the focus should really be on teaching people not to violate others’ personal space in the first place.

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Wow, watching this show was an hour of my life I'll never get back.  

I had never heard of the woman who was the first guest and couldn't really figure out what her thing was.   Yeah, it seems alot of the younger generation, especially at the elite universities need to get a grip on reality but how many of these "elites" do the rest of us deal with on a day to day basis - not many is my guess.   I did like that the woman wore attractive shoes that weren't the 4 inch fetish heels that are so in vogue with fashionable women today.  I cringe when I see segments featuring Norah O'Donnell wearing shoes that I can't imagine any woman walking more than a couple of blocks in.   To me, that kind of "fashion" sells out the concept of Women's Liberation more than a lot of other things.   Yeah, ladies, you're now "liberated" - wear your 4" stilletos and your barely there clothing and feel real empowered and so many women buy into that crap hook, line, and sinker.  

As far as Bill and his fat-shaming,  wow, oh wow.   Now he has a point that Americans ARE fatter than they were 30 or 40 years ago.  Americans are also older now than then (baby boomers).   Medicine and Science researchers are still trying to figure out why Americans have gotten so heavy (besides age).  There seems to be much more involved than just overeating.  For a personal example: I was 38 years old, 5' 5" and 115 lbs.   And I do not have a super slim body build (in other words, even with my ribs showing, I was not a size 2).  Anyway, I lost my job and got super-depressed.  Went to therapy and my therapist suggested I try the BRAND NEW, AND NO SIDE EFFECTS anti-depressant called Paxil.    So yeah, like most good Americans, I took her advice and started taking Paxil.   With very little change to my diet, I gained 40 pounds in 4 fucking months!!!!   I had never had a weight issue in my life until I took that drug.   I quit the drug after about a year and never was able to lose that weight.   I'm now 62 and age and illness has taken it's toll and I'm at 160.  Not morbidly obese but certainly wouldn't qualify as lookin' good to Bill Maher.    And I have had co-workers also take anti-depressants (esp Paxil) and saw them gain large amounts of weight.   With so many people in this country dealing with mental health issues, just consider how many Americans take these kinds of drugs not to mention others that pack on the pounds and change your metabolism to where that weight doesn't want to budge.   

Researchers have also been looking at the so-called intestinal biome and how foods, medicines, plastics, pesticides, etc. affects that.   There is just so much more going on here than people pigging out on Fast Food and Soda.  Even the increasing use of C Sections has been implicated in people being overweight.  

And correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't Bill Maher a vegetarian or vegan?   You get an awful lot of judgement with those folks in general.  I lived with one for 17 years and now have Vegan members of the family (Jesus, Vegans are the Ultra-Orthodox of the vegetarian world - talk about people who are holier than thou).  Maybe Bill ought to also try working an average job, commute long hours, and not have the money to shop at Whole Foods or hire a personal chef.   Sometimes I don't think he really "gets it" what life is like for the average person.   It's like he supports the concept of "yay, working America" but still basically has an elitist view and lack of understanding about how an awful lot of people really live.  

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Bill said that fat people tell skinny people to eat something, and it seemed like Bill was lumping himself in with the skinnies. I remember thinking: “Bill, I’ve seen you with no shirt on...NO ONE is telling you to eat something.”

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And correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't Bill Maher a vegetarian or vegan?

I swear he once said on the show that he was a meat-eater (it was the episode where they were talking about the killing of Cecil the lion.) I might be wrong though.

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Then maybe he should lead a vigorous campaign to encourage more people to exercise and eat healthy and get them to eat more organically grown products that don't contain any unhealthy chemicals designed to make the food last longer.

Yep, I have a nutritionist friend who recently started her own company to provide healthy and affordable food for babies and children. My local supermarket chain has also launched a campaign to educate people about healthy eating and growing their own vegetables. Both of these initiatives seem more productive than telling an obese person that they’re a worthless fat fuck or whatever.

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On 9/7/2019 at 11:55 AM, Pike Ludwell said:

Last show (maybe others) and this week, we are seeing Bill develop a "thing" that Elizabeth Warren is too liberal to be elected. This is similar to others such as Donny Deutsch who became a broken record that she would lose 49 states. The idea is Trump will just call her a socialist and automatically he wins!! Once Bill gets into a "thing" about something, he will revisit it ad infinitum.

So, I see Bill on Morning Joe this morning, which also is heavily into the meme that Warren can't win (Joe (conservatism), Mika (naivete), Donny Deutsch (stupidity)), and I just know that is why he is on there - but also to say political incorrectness, which brought down his old show, is going to bring down the whole country!  Sure enough, he spends the whole time talking about how Democrats are going to scare way moderates. But he goes through the whole thing without mentioning Warren ... until right at the end ... he just has to get it in!

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23 hours ago, Titania said:

I swear he once said on the show that he was a meat-eater (it was the episode where they were talking about the killing of Cecil the lion.) I might be wrong though..

There was a magazine profile that said the only meat Bill eats is fish.

ETA: From Esquire - Jun 6 / 17:

"Backstage, he ate his usual postshow meal of baked potato and whitefish, a break from his weekday diet of seeds ground with fruit."

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4 hours ago, paigow said:

There was a magazine profile that said the only meat Bill eats is fish.

Was it Us Weekly’s “25 Things You Don’t Know About Me”? 😉

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On 9/10/2019 at 9:21 PM, deirdra said:

The victim is not OK with it but the perp thinks she is and will continue the bad behaviour.

I doubt there's that many cases where the perp is continuing because he thinks the woman is okay with it. They don't care that the victim was not okay with it. That's why they generally don't do it to somebody whose opinion they care about.

On 9/11/2019 at 9:44 PM, Titania said:

Both of these initiatives seem more productive than telling an obese person that they’re a worthless fat fuck or whatever.

I agree with Corden there's complex reasons why the average weight has gone up but one thing that I can 100% say is not a factor is people people being too accepting of fat people. Bill's not seeing the perspective of an overweight person, he's just surprised to see them pushing back.

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