S01.E10: Rolling The Dice

[Princess Sparkle]

Each week, Paul ups the ante and gives me a new line I want to cross stitch on a pillow. This week, "But the Brazilian government thinks I'm a terrorist and I'm pretty nervous about that" made me lose it.

[Spike]

Why couldn’t Pole find a dirty, sluggish young woman with a face like Mr. Potato Head in the States?

[CrazyInAlabama]

Pole should stop worrying about the Brazilian government thinking he's a terrorist, and worry about the look on Karine's parents' faces when they look at him.     Daddy Karine loathes Pole, but the mother really wants to hurt him.      

Edited August 1, 2019 by CrazyInAlabama

[RealReality]

1 hour ago, CrazyInAlabama said:

Pole should stop worrying about the Brazilian government thinking he's a terrorist, and worry about the look on Karine's parents' faces when they look at him.     Daddy Karine loathes Pole, but the mother really wants to hurt him.      

Mother karine gives none of the fucks and I am here for it.  She low key hates Paul.  

1 hour ago, Spike said:

Why couldn’t Pole find a dirty, sluggish young woman with a face like Mr. Potato Head in the States?

He  is a 35 year old terrorist who can't make 26k a year and almost got fired from his job shovelling cow poop.  Even potato faced American women can do better. 

And that is before they see him run.

Edited August 1, 2019 by RealReality

[Mothra]

On 7/31/2019 at 7:41 AM, Baltimore Betty said:

BTW, did we all hear the blood curdling scream that Daniel let out when Sister Tiffany walked thru the gate?! I thought he was being kidnapped by human traffickers!

That was disturbing--and did you see the reactions of the other adults?  I'm trying to remember if Daniel screamed like that when he saw Ronald from afar.  It didn't sound like a scream of joy to me; it sounded like a kid  crying out for help.  Whichever, it didn't seem like a sound you'd normally expect to come out of any healthy child.

I'm concerned that Daniel is being psychologically harmed beyond the obvious forcing of Ronald as "Daddy."  I think Tiffany has placed him in a hell of a double bind, on the one hand telling him that if he is not comfortable and happy in SA, they will turn around and go back home; and on the other totally ignoring or making light of Daniel's clearly telling her (and that's just what we saw on TV) that he was not happy and that he wanted to go home.  Way to fuck up your kid, Tiff.

[MajorNelson]

On 7/31/2019 at 11:32 AM, magemaud said:

How far away do Sumit's parents live? I thought it was close enough that he was afraid someone he knew would see them together. If his parents think he's going to work, why can't he spend the day with Jenny  and return to their place at night? 

I recall he said the apartment was in a town 2 hours away.  In this episode there was something being asked by the parents about picking him up at the airport ?) and he declined saying he would make it (home) himself.

[MajorNelson]

The scene with Ronald, Tiffany and T's sister where she interrogated Ronald was ridiculous.  She wants him not to hurt her sister, and not to relapse.  I think the most important and dangling part of the conversation was about the relapse.  She should have asked what support system does he have in place.  Does he have accountability partners, does he gt to weekly meetings?  Etc.

All we get is promises of no he won't relapse or hurt Tiffany.  And with that, sister throws himself on him and welcomes him to the family.  What dodos!

Edited August 2, 2019 by MajorNelson

[Spike]

14 minutes ago, MajorNelson said:

The scene with Ronald, Tiffany and T's sister where she interrogated Ronald was ridiculous.  She wants him not to hurt her sister, and not to relapse.  I think the most important and dangling part of the conversation was about the relapse.  She should have asked what support system does he have in place.  Does he have accountability partners, does he got to weekly meetings?  Etc.

All we get is promises of no he won't relapse or hurt Tiffany.  And with that, sister throws himself on him and welcomes him to the family.  What dodos!

Well Dodos lived on Mauritius, which is not all that far from South Africa.

[SunnyBeBe]

1 hour ago, MajorNelson said:

The scene with Ronald, Tiffany and T's sister where she interrogated Ronald was ridiculous.  She wants him not to hurt her sister, and not to relapse.  I think the most important and dangling part of the conversation was about the relapse.  She should have asked what support system does he have in place.  Does he have accountability partners, does he got to weekly meetings?  Etc.

All we get is promises of no he won't relapse or hurt Tiffany.  And with that, sister throws himself on him and welcomes him to the family.  What dodos!

Yeah, they seem to think that sobriety is about willpower and love of family.....lol. There are books and professionals who could provide them with proper info.  I sense they aren't interested in the truth.

[IllLitShips]

Plenty of women who aren't overweight go after addicts, so I am not sure why I always find a handful of comments saying negative things about Tiffany's weight and self-esteem being linked together. 

I don't think Jenny is needy for wanting Sumit to not leave her alone. I do think in general she is needy, but I understand it in this situation. It's not even just the language barrier that is an issue. She stands out and she is old. If I was her I wouldn't feel comfortable either. I would feel like a target.  

Laura should have addressed the bedroom issue privately or tried to give Aladin suggestions while in the act. Maybe use some dirty talk to communicate her wants?

Karine upsets me because she knows Paul and the marriage are wrong for her, but she keeps allowing herself to become more tied to him.

Corey and Evelin are another Pao and Russ. I agree with some of the things Evelin says about him, but sometimes she is cruel. Like,  for example,  she knows we don't eat worms in America and that Corey is squeamish about animals dying to become food. Just explain that to your sister that he is still adjusting. I was also a little confused how Evelin in the couple pictures of her they showed on the first episode looked like an influencer, but lives in a town with dirt roads and has an appartment that looks trashed and only one corroded pot.

[watchingtvaddict]

8 minutes ago, IllLitShips said:

I don't think Jenny is needy for wanting Sumit to not leave her alone. I do think in general she is needy, but I understand it in this situation. It's not even just the language barrier that is an issue. She stands out and she is old. If I was her I wouldn't feel comfortable either. I would feel like a target.  

But, Jenny isn't in India on vacation. She has supposedly moved to India to live and work. This is her second visit to be with Sumit and she is acting like he needs to chaperone her around the town 24/7. How is that practical in any way? 

I understand not wanting to be abandoned during a vacation... but she isn't on vacation she has moved to a new town/country. She needs to look into classes, or making online friends or meeting up with other English speaking foreigners so she doesn't have to rely on Sumit for everything.

[iwasish]

11 hours ago, hookedontv said:

Right? The sister looked terrified, as if she couldn't believe this was actually happening. Maybe I missed if anyone talked about a reason, but Tiffany's mom isn't going to the wedding. I know she has a (gulp) young child of her own, but it's odd that Tiffany's dad, who hasn't been a part of her life, flew in for the wedding, while her mom didn't. Granted, the flights are probably very expensive, but I still find it a bit odd. As if anything on this show makes a lick of sense - what was I thinking?! 

Why is dad showing up? A chance to get on TV? Maybe a visit to foreign casinos? I’m guessing he’s a “Ronald type” 

  I know my mom would practically lock me in my room or try to have me committed if I told her about a hair-brained plan to take my kid and move to SA to marry a gambling addict with a criminal  record, a week after he gets out of rehab.  She certainly wouldn’t sit around smiling and nodding, while uttering useless cautions.  Parents should support their children’s life decisions in most cases even if they don’t agree. Tiffany has already shown poor judgement by having one fatherless child. Mom has stood by her. This situation is just too ill advised. Don’t know if mom is boycotting, which I would applaud, or just unable to attend. 

[iwasish]

What did Jenny expect to do while Sumit worked? Yes he worked nights, but he would probably be sleeping a good part of the day, so she would be alone a lot. She would have to make some attempt to get along without him with him at her elbow. I get she’s nervous, I would be also, but put on your granny panties and grow up. Ask Sumit to make some index cards that have questions and/or statements in both languages. Give her a primer on the exchange of money.  Go to the local stores with Sumit and have him introduce her and ask the store owners to help her with purchases. She should be able to learn basic words, milk, bread, coffee, sugar etc. or use index cards to show the shop employees. She had to know she would have to learn to be independent. What if a rickshaw ran Sumit over and killed him? 

She’s had a 5 year long distance relationship with him and they’ve made plans for this, yet she knows zilch about the language, the culture, customs etc. If he can speak English so well, why didn’t she take on line classes to learn anything in his language? What the fuck did they talk about for 5 years?

If he goes to his parents, she needs to go back to the apartment, pack and go home. Change her email and phone number and forget him. Head to the local senior center and find herself a nice gentleman to keep company with.

[Mrs. Hanson]

3 hours ago, SunnyBeBe said:

Yeah, they seem to think that sobriety is about willpower and love of family.....lol. There are books and professionals who could provide them with proper info.  I sense they aren't interested in the truth.

I get very tweaked when listening to addicts talk and their family and friends talk to them in very unhelpful ways.  I am NO fan of Ronald, let's get that clear.  I find him unappealing, snake-like and manipulative.  In fact, I hate him.  But to make him promise to stay sober to make him promise anything other than a day at a time, heck, 12 hours at a time, is counterproductive.  I have gone off on this on another thread, so bear with me.  They need to be saying to him, as a poster upthread said:  "Who are your supports?  What can we do, within our power, to help you?  Don't stay well for Tiffany, your mother or Daniel, do it FOR YOU.  And Ronald, stop with the "They are my everything!" talk.  That may seem loving but it is very manipulative.  "Wait, you can't leave - you are my everything!  I might relapse!"  It is on par with the whole "I can deport your ass" stuff that goes on elsewhere.  He knows she will stay and bam - he has the power.  He had it, in all fairness, when she stayed after he broke her trust after he humped the keg and got friendly with a stripper.  If a guy said that to me, to try to manipulate me to stay, I would say good luck with that.  Call one of your keg humping buddies to strap your mom's fridge to the car when you need money.

8 hours ago, Mothra said:

I'm concerned that Daniel is being psychologically harmed beyond the obvious forcing of Ronald as "Daddy."  I think Tiffany has placed him in a hell of a double bind, on the one hand telling him that if he is not comfortable and happy in SA, they will turn around and go back home; and on the other totally ignoring or making light of Daniel's clearly telling her (and that's just what we saw on TV) that he was not happy and that he wanted to go home.  Way to fuck up your kid, Tiff.

^^^^^^^1000%^^^^^^  Again, she manipulated him by saying, after he says he misses his family in Maryland, "But we are your family!"  No, he has known that clown for four days in person, jackass.

Again, for the record, I hate Ronald and Tiffany.

Edited August 2, 2019 by Mrs. Hanson

[MajorNelson]

2 hours ago, Mrs. Hanson said:

I get very tweaked when listening to addicts talk and their family and friends talk to them in very unhelpful ways.  I am NO fan of Ronald, let's get that clear.  I find him unappealing, snake-like and manipulative.  In fact, I hate him.  But to make him promise to stay sober to make him promise anything other than a day at a time, heck, 12 hours at a time, is counterproductive.  I have gone off on this on another thread, so bear with me.  They need to be saying to him, as a poster upthread said:  "Who are your supports?  What can we do, within our power, to help you?  Don't stay well for Tiffany, your mother or Daniel, do it FOR YOU.  And Ronald, stop with the "They are my everything!" talk.  That may seem loving but it is very manipulative.  "Wait, you can't leave - you are my everything!  I might relapse!" 

Excellent points Mrs H, particularly love the bolded parts.

And that Casino visit is CRAZEE!  Even if producer driven.  The Father could just be picked up outside, sheesh!

[Mrs. Hanson]

12 minutes ago, MajorNelson said:

Excellent points Mrs H, particularly love the bolded parts.

And that Casino visit is CRAZEE!  Even if producer driven.  The Father could just be picked up outside, sheesh!

Thank you!!!  I have been through some trials and tribulations in my life, plus seen some some others in my life (as we all have) seen others struggle.  We all have damage.  But it breaks my cold dark heat to see Daniel at the heart of this!

[Baltimore Betty]

On ‎7‎/‎31‎/‎2019 at 12:17 AM, Spike said:

 What if she lay there like a sack of potatoes and just expected him to rock her world? 

Thanks for that image.

This is why Mommy drinks but no matter how much I drink the image will still be in my head.

Aladin has a nice physique (I've done worse), but what in the world do they talk about? Sex only takes up so much time.  What on earth could they have in common?

[Baltimore Betty]

8 hours ago, iwasish said:

What did Jenny expect to do while Sumit worked? Yes he worked nights, but he would probably be sleeping a good part of the day, so she would be alone a lot. She would have to make some attempt to get along without him with him at her elbow. I get she’s nervous, I would be also, but put on your granny panties and grow up. Ask Sumit to make some index cards that have questions and/or statements in both languages. Give her a primer on the exchange of money.  Go to the local stores with Sumit and have him introduce her and ask the store owners to help her with purchases. She should be able to learn basic words, milk, bread, coffee, sugar etc. or use index cards to show the shop employees. She had to know she would have to learn to be independent. What if a rickshaw ran Sumit over and killed him? 

She’s had a 5 year long distance relationship with him and they’ve made plans for this, yet she knows zilch about the language, the culture, customs etc. If he can speak English so well, why didn’t she take on line classes to learn anything in his language? What the fuck did they talk about for 5 years?

If he goes to his parents, she needs to go back to the apartment, pack and go home. Change her email and phone number and forget him. Head to the local senior center and find herself a nice gentleman to keep company with.

Yes!!! We have all ranted about the cluelessness of all these dumb bunnies that move to another country and their lack of awareness and preparedness to live in that country.  Just learning a few words of a foreign language is not asking too much, in fact it should be mandatory! How in the world is it possible to have the native to be with you 24/7, at some point you will have to go it alone to the store or anywhere. 

It's not like Jenny's flight got diverted and is stuck for a few hours, she chose to live there so get with the program and stop with the "poor me, I don't speak the language," shit.

Also, why is it that all of these people who insist on the 90 way to meet someone are always broke? They have chosen the most expensive way to meet and marry buy cannot afford it. There are always issues that keep them from living in the US or what ever country, they are never fully employed and never seem to live on their own and they find equally unemployed mates (or quit the minute they meet their mark), that use the L word halfway thru the first conversation. 

If there are so many people like this how is it I know none of them?

If there are any psychiatrists on this board please chime in with a name for this need for drama and I will ignore all red flags and good advice given to me by my friends and family disorder other than the NDD (Need for Drama Disorder) 'cause that is probably not a real name for this affliction.  

[Jeanne222]

Tiffany talks a good game but surely doesn't make very good life choices!  To listen to her she seems quite bright but one child no husband and now moving to South Africa to marry an addict who is on his way to pick up a father staying at a casino and who abandoned her when she was young!

Stop my head hurts!

[Normades]

20 hours ago, doyouevengohere said:

Maybe he has a gang of old lady lovers in various cities, lol.  That could still be a possibility.  I'm serious.

I think there is something else going on besides the parent issue.  I keep wondering if he has a wife somewhere.  Something is up with him. 

[sasha206]

FYI:  Watching Pole's scenes are especially hilarious after you vape a little MJ.  

[SunnyBeBe]

And what's up with this talk about I can't handle this, it's too much, I can't go on, IF THE relationship is over.  I mean, a 50 plus year old person???? Are you kidding me?  By this time, you know that your heart can go on.  Break ups might not be fun, but, you will live.  It's not the end of the world.  Jenny.....omg.  Please, enough already.   I don't know if she realizes it or not, but, it's not good to put so much pressure on a man to choose between you and his family.  Things could get ugly.  You don't know him that well.  He could snap.  Snapping isn't good. That's why there is tv show by that name. lol  Or, his family could snap.  She really hasn't thought this thing through at all. 

[sasha206]

7 minutes ago, SunnyBeBe said:

And what's up with this talk about I can't handle this, it's too much, I can't go on, IF THE relationship is over.  I mean, a 50 plus year old person???? Are you kidding me?  By this time, you know that your heart can go on.  Break ups might not be fun, but, you will live.  It's not the end of the world.  Jenny.....omg.  Please, enough already.   I don't know if she realizes it or not, but, it's not good to put so much pressure on a man to choose between you and his family.  Things could get ugly.  You don't know him that well.  He could snap.  Snapping isn't good. That's why there is tv show by that name. lol  Or, his family could snap.  She really hasn't thought this thing through at all. 

A man wants you to move to his country and marry him.  Seems to me he's signaling to you that he chose you.  She's not in the wrong here.  She's just an idiot that she went into a relationship with a man whose parents weren't going to approve to begin with -- and sure as fuck now won't because they've lied about it.  But what an idiot she is to leave her country for a man that catfished her for months on end before coming clean that he's not a Joe Six-Pack.

[Hannah94]

15 minutes ago, SunnyBeBe said:

 Are you kidding me?  By this time, you know that your heart can go on.  Break ups might not be fun, but, you will live.  It's not the end of the world.  

Brilliant. I love this. 

[RealReality]

3 hours ago, Baltimore Betty said:

Yes!!! We have all ranted about the cluelessness of all these dumb bunnies that move to another country and their lack of awareness and preparedness to live in that country.  Just learning a few words of a foreign language is not asking too much, in fact it should be mandatory! How in the world is it possible to have the native to be with you 24/7, at some point you will have to go it alone to the store or anywhere. 

It's not like Jenny's flight got diverted and is stuck for a few hours, she chose to live there so get with the program and stop with the "poor me, I don't speak the language," shit.

If there are so many people like this how is it I know none of them?

It just kills me that Jenny is this helpless because she spent months in India before moving there to live. 

Moving there before summit actually told his parents that they were getting married was a terrible idea. 

But how can she not know how anything works after being there for months?  Even if she was being hosted my sumits family she should have picked up a lot of things just by being immersed in the culture.  

She also has a cell phone.  How is it that Paul, a man half her age who couldn't hold down a job shovelling cow poops figure out a translator app and Jenny can't? 

India is a big country, there are a lot of people in her area ...there has to be access to the internet.  Why can't she Google things?  Even the tiny impoverished country my parents are from has multiple areas with free Wi-Fi.  What is going on? 

2 hours ago, Jeanne222 said:

Tiffany talks a good game but surely doesn't make very good life choices!  To listen to her she seems quite bright but one child no husband and now moving to South Africa to marry an addict who is on his way to pick up a father staying at a casino and who abandoned her when she was young!

Stop my head hurts!

So much this.  Tiffany knows the right words to say, but she has no interest in doing anything other than what she wants to do.  No matter how bad an idea or who gets caught in the crossfire.

She is basically Nicole with a better vocabulary.

[Mothra]

58 minutes ago, RealReality said:

India is a big country, there are a lot of people in her area ...there has to be access to the internet.  Why can't she Google things?  Even the tiny impoverished country my parents are from has multiple areas with free Wi-Fi.  What is going on? 

I've been thinking a lot about Jenny and her helplessness.  I wasn't kidding when I posted earlier about the freedom an older woman can experience if she but embraces her age---she doesn't have to worry one bit about what other people think of her.  And an important lesson I've learned is that *everyone* loves to be asked to help you--"how do I get from here to there?"  "Is there a cafe in this neighborhood?"  "Where can I buy some Kotex?" (well not the last one but it is fun to ask it).

And think of what an impression she would make on Sumit's parents if she used her time alone to Google ancient Indian lore; there is a rich literature in Sanskrit, and she could read translations of the classic texts.    If she demonstrated to his parents--and to Sumit--that she was interested enough and committed enough to Indian culture, I bet she'd have them eating out of her hand before too long.

[Caoimhe]

1 hour ago, Mothra said:

I've been thinking a lot about Jenny and her helplessness.  I wasn't kidding when I posted earlier about the freedom an older woman can experience if she but embraces her age---she doesn't have to worry one bit about what other people think of her.  And an important lesson I've learned is that *everyone* loves to be asked to help you--"how do I get from here to there?"  "Is there a cafe in this neighborhood?"  "Where can I buy some Kotex?" (well not the last one but it is fun to ask it).

And think of what an impression she would make on Sumit's parents if she used her time alone to Google ancient Indian lore; there is a rich literature in Sanskrit, and she could read translations of the classic texts.    If she demonstrated to his parents--and to Sumit--that she was interested enough and committed enough to Indian culture, I bet she'd have them eating out of her hand before too long.

But Jenny is trying to be her emotional age (early teens) rather than embracing her physical age!  After all she moved to India for “security” (????) rather than any desire to embrace a new culture and grow as a person.  Someone mentioned that MamaSumit may want grandchildren and that’s not happening.  But I agree that behaving like an interested and interesting adult would do more to make a positive impression than the whiny baby act.

[sasha206]

52 minutes ago, ThereButFor said:

But Jenny is trying to be her emotional age (early teens) rather than embracing her physical age!  After all she moved to India for “security” (????) rather than any desire to embrace a new culture and grow as a person.  Someone mentioned that MamaSumit may want grandchildren and that’s not happening.  But I agree that behaving like an interested and interesting adult would do more to make a positive impression than the whiny baby act.

Yeah, I'm sure Mama Sumit would like children.

Has Sumit's age ever been mentioned?  He looks a little long in the tooth where his parents may have given up on him getting married and procreating,   I mean, I know he's not that old, but he doesn't look that young.  Like if they were really that interested in arranging a marriage for him, they would've tried that a long time ago and come to the realization he isn't interested.

[Baltimore Betty]

2 hours ago, Mothra said:

I posted earlier about the freedom an older woman can experience if she but embraces her age---she doesn't have to worry one bit about what other people think of her. 

I am that point in my life where I can try whatever I want, feel victorious when traveling without my husband and use my oh so bad French in Paris and I don't care that my accent is oh so American! Age has given me freedom but Jenny wants to play the martyr, Smitty wants to feel needed...she is missing out on the time of her life.  That said, oy the heat in India, my hair would be a mess.

[BoomerRumor]

19 hours ago, IllLitShips said:

Plenty of women who aren't overweight go after addicts, so I am not sure why I always find a handful of comments saying negative things about Tiffany's weight and self-esteem being linked together. 

I think the gist of the weight comments were that it narrows her pool of suitors a little, although weight isn't an issue for many people.

[gingerella]

15 hours ago, MajorNelson said:

And that Casino visit is CRAZEE!  Even if producer driven. 

If it IS producer driven, then the producers deserve whatever fresh hell karma awaits them.  Also, isn't not making any big life decisions AND being single for at least the first 12-18 months like the two biggest tenants in any recovery program?

[Lily247]

20 hours ago, watchingtvaddict said:

But, Jenny isn't in India on vacation. She has supposedly moved to India to live and work. This is her second visit to be with Sumit and she is acting like he needs to chaperone her around the town 24/7. How is that practical in any way? 

I understand not wanting to be abandoned during a vacation... but she isn't on vacation she has moved to a new town/country. She needs to look into classes, or making online friends or meeting up with other English speaking foreigners so she doesn't have to rely on Sumit for everything.

I dont think that women in India dont have an easy time getting around due to the very high levels of sexual harassment, particularly on buses and trains. And Jenny being a blonde foreigner will probably attract a lot of attention. 

[Gigglepuff]

On 7/30/2019 at 7:45 AM, LilMissKnowitall said:

I'm not understanding the hating on tiffany' s size; yes she's heavy but she's proportioned and she's certainly not seconds away from being on Dr Now's operating table. Wtf with this intense reaction? She's smaller than or similar to others on the shows who never get this much animosity about size; is it just an easy target because people dislike her parenting choices and are redirecting their anger? 

I don't think that many people are picking on Tiffany because of her weight compared to the other participants, especially Nicole. She is very heavy though, her thighs in this picture are massive. Though she needs to lose some weight, the most important thing she needs to lose is Ronald. 

[iwasish]

19 hours ago, Mrs. Hanson said:

I get very tweaked when listening to addicts talk and their family and friends talk to them in very unhelpful ways.  I am NO fan of Ronald, let's get that clear.  I find him unappealing, snake-like and manipulative.  In fact, I hate him.  But to make him promise to stay sober to make him promise anything other than a day at a time, heck, 12 hours at a time, is counterproductive.  I have gone off on this on another thread, so bear with me.  They need to be saying to him, as a poster upthread said:  "Who are your supports?  What can we do, within our power, to help you?  Don't stay well for Tiffany, your mother or Daniel, do it FOR YOU.  And Ronald, stop with the "They are my everything!" talk.  That may seem loving but it is very manipulative.  "Wait, you can't leave - you are my everything!  I might relapse!"  It is on par with the whole "I can deport your ass" stuff that goes on elsewhere.  He knows she will stay and bam - he has the power.  He had it, in all fairness, when she stayed after he broke her trust after he humped the keg and got friendly with a stripper.  If a guy said that to me, to try to manipulate me to stay, I would say good luck with that.  Call one of your keg humping buddies to strap your mom's fridge to the car when you need money.

^^^^^^^1000%^^^^^^  Again, she manipulated him by saying, after he says he misses his family in Maryland, "But we are your family!"  No, he has known that clown for four days in person, jackass.

Again, for the record, I hate Ronald and Tiffany.

You have it spot on with Ronald. He broke every “rule” Tiffany had when he attended the bachelor party and she folded like a cheap suit. He knows he has the upper hand. She again rolls over when Daniel says he wants to go “home”. You can see Daniel’s face crumble as he realizes mommy doesn’t care about his feelings, that Ronald  is her top priority. And Ronald knows it too. She further shows her lack of backbone when he tells her he has to pick up her father at the casino, her NO not a good idea, quickly becomes PROMISE you won’t gamble. Ronald holds all the cards. 

[Mrs. Hanson]

On 8/2/2019 at 6:20 PM, iwasish said:

You have it spot on with Ronald. He broke every “rule” Tiffany had when he attended the bachelor party and she folded like a cheap suit. He knows he has the upper hand. She again rolls over when Daniel says he wants to go “home”. You can see Daniel’s face crumble as he realizes mommy doesn’t care about his feelings, that Ronald  is her top priority. And Ronald knows it too. She further shows her lack of backbone when he tells her he has to pick up her father at the casino, her NO not a good idea, quickly becomes PROMISE you won’t gamble. Ronald holds all the cards. 

Yep, take it from me:  Never ask an addict to promise you anything, other than "Will the sun rise in the east tomorrow?"  It is not realistic nor is it fair.  I have gone on at length as to why I actively hate the two of them so no need to beat the horse again, but it still tweaks me when I think of his smug look when he said he paid his mom back.  Like WTF?  You want a medal for paying back your mom for stealing her freakin' FRIDGE?

Tiffany:  "My mother in law and I have such a special bond!"  Yeah, I bond with my MIL over recipes, art and travel, not a felon.  I am still placing a wager (see what I did there?) on Tiff having major Daddy issues as it all seems to be a competition with her.  She has the! most! special! bond! ever! with her MIL!  She is gonna love that addiction right out of Ronald!!!  She is gonna fix him, dammit!

Edited August 5, 2019 by Mrs. Hanson

[Gigglepuff]

20 hours ago, Mrs. Hanson said:

I get very tweaked when listening to addicts talk and their family and friends talk to them in very unhelpful ways.  I am NO fan of Ronald, let's get that clear.  I find him unappealing, snake-like and manipulative.  In fact, I hate him.  But to make him promise to stay sober to make him promise anything other than a day at a time, heck, 12 hours at a time, is counterproductive.  I have gone off on this on another thread, so bear with me.  They need to be saying to him, as a poster upthread said:  "Who are your supports?  What can we do, within our power, to help you?  Don't stay well for Tiffany, your mother or Daniel, do it FOR YOU.  And Ronald, stop with the "They are my everything!" talk.  That may seem loving but it is very manipulative.  "Wait, you can't leave - you are my everything!  I might relapse!"  It is on par with the whole "I can deport your ass" stuff that goes on elsewhere.  He knows she will stay and bam - he has the power.  He had it, in all fairness, when she stayed after he broke her trust after he humped the keg and got friendly with a stripper.  If a guy said that to me, to try to manipulate me to stay, I would say good luck with that.  Call one of your keg humping buddies to strap your mom's fridge to the car when you need money.

^^^^^^^1000%^^^^^^  Again, she manipulated him by saying, after he says he misses his family in Maryland, "But we are your family!"  No, he has known that clown for four days in person, jackass.

Again, for the record, I hate Ronald and Tiffany.

The kid is so screwed. I wouldn't put it past Tiff to low-key blame Daniel if things didn't work out between her and Ronald either. "Ronald and me were so happy in South Africa, but Daniel didn't like it there." "Well, Daniel, the reason I can't be happy with Daddy is because you didn't like it in South Africa, remember?" and so on and so on. 

[iwasish]

1 hour ago, gingerella said:

If it IS producer driven, then the producers deserve whatever fresh hell karma awaits them.  Also, isn't not making any big life decisions AND being single for at least the first 12-18 months like the two biggest tenants in any recovery program?

Why is her dad calling Ronald anyway? Why not call Tiffany and have her make arrangements to get him.  He hasn’t ever met Ronald yet he has his phone number? Interesting too that Ronald is fresh out of 6 months in rehab, no job, but has a car (and a drivers license). Mommy’s? Or Tiffany?

[Mrs. Hanson]

4 minutes ago, Gigglepuff said:

The kid is so screwed. I wouldn't put it past Tiff to low-key blame Daniel if things didn't work out between her and Ronald either. "Ronald and me were so happy in South Africa, but Daniel didn't like it there." "Well, Daniel, the reason I can't be happy with Daddy is because you didn't like it in South Africa, remember?" and so on and so on. 

Yep - or:  "Well if you had warmed up to South Africa more you would have liked it.   I truly don't know if my predication is true but I am going to wrap it into a spoiler just in case:

Spoiler

They are going to stay in SA for the next few years while she works and he a stay at home dad.  Because no one will hire him.

Edited August 2, 2019 by Mrs. Hanson

[iwasish]

15 minutes ago, Mrs. Hanson said:

Yep, take it from me:  Never ask an addict to promise you anything, other than "Will the sun ride in the east tomorrow?"  It is not realistic nor is it fair.  I have gone on at length as to why I actively hate the two of them so no need to beat the horse again, but it still tweaks me when I think of his smug look when he said he paid his mom back.  Like WTF?  You want a medal for paying back your mom for stealing her freakin' FRIDGE?

Tiffany:  "My mother in law and I have such a special bond!"  Yeah, I bond with my MIL over recipes, art and travel, not a felon.  I am still placing a wager (see what I did there?) on Tiff having major Daddy issues as it all seems to be a competition with her.  She has the! most! special! bond! ever! with her MIL!  She is gonna love that addiction right out of Ronald!!!  She is gonna fix him, dammit!

His mother is happy someone else is going to lose sleep at night worrying about Ronald. Someone else is going to find their fridge missing. Someone else is going to have to sleep with her purse under her pillow. Someone else is going to get that phone call that Ronald was arrested, or beaten half to death because he stole, cheated or gambled money he didn’t have and pissed off the wrong person/s. She’s now got someone else to blame when Ronald fucks up again. 

[iwasish]

10 minutes ago, Mrs. Hanson said:

Yep - or:  "Well if you had warmed up to South Africa more you would have liked it.   I truly don't know if my predication is true but I am going to wrap it into a spoiler just in case:

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They are going to stay in SA for the next few years while she works and he a stay at home dad.  Because no one will hire him.

Spoiler

I wonder if the casinos in SA allow children in them. We went to Reno years ago and weren’t allowed to even have my 3 month old niece(asleep in her baby carrier) in the casino. The hotel room and the restaurant even the stores were ok, but not any where in the casino. 

Edited August 2, 2019 by iwasish

[IllLitShips]

3 hours ago, BoomerRumor said:

I think the gist of the weight comments were that it narrows her pool of suitors a little, although weight isn't an issue for many people.

And the implication is always that it narrows it down to losers. 

[Spike]

I think a bigger person has to be willing to be with a bigger person. While there are some lean folks who have an attraction to bigger folks, I think it is a small sample.  When someone is out of your league for whatever reason — weight, age, facial attractiveness —  there may be cause for suspicions.  Some people pick partners purely based on personalities and intelligence, but I think it is the tiny minority.  

[Mrs. Hanson]

59 minutes ago, IllLitShips said:

And the implication is always that it narrows it down to losers. 

I truly did not follow the "Tiffany is thick" comments but I will say Tiffany is two things:  Yes she is a bit heavy for a young woman but she certainly dresses well and looks good.  I am not going to comment on her weight as it is unfair.  On the flip side, I could comment that Evelin needs to stop at the buffet line a few times, she is too thin!!

[magemaud]

10 hours ago, RealReality said:

She also has a cell phone.

But as she whined in the airport, "My cell phone doesn't work here..." 

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8 hours ago, Mothra said:

"Where can I buy some Kotex?"

maybe "Where can I buy some Depends" is more appropriate

6 hours ago, sasha206 said:

Has Sumit's age ever been mentioned? 

Yes, every time they show the couple, it says he's 30, she's 60. 

Edited August 3, 2019 by magemaud

[RealReality]

1 hour ago, IllLitShips said:

And the implication is always that it narrows it down to losers. 

I think plenty of women who would be considered larger end up with fantastic men. 

I think the thing is that there are so many social influences telling us that bigger people are per se less attractive.  And therefore it may play into Tiffany's idea that she not be good enough for a guy who is better than Ronald...who I don't even think is particularly attractive.

The tide is turning, but slowly.  One of my favorite artists is a woman named Lizzo who is all about body positivity and confidence.  She is absolutely beautiful, and if you're ever cruising around YouTube you should look her up.

[RealReality]

28 minutes ago, magemaud said:

But as she whined in the airport, "My cell phone doesn't work here..." 

maybe "Where can I buy some Depends" is more appropriate

Yes, every time they show the couple, it says he's 30, she's 60. 

Paul, who probably has metro PCS can get his cell phone to work in a tiny Brazilian village and Jenny can't get a cell phone to work in a bustling city? 🙄

Thank goodness you were there when I needed you eyeroll emoji!

Edited August 3, 2019 by RealReality

[watchingtvaddict]

4 minutes ago, RealReality said:

Paul, who probably has metro PCS can get his cell phone to work in a tiny Brazilian village and Jenny can't get a cell phone to work in a bustling city? 🙄

Thank goodness you were there when I needed you eyeroll emoji!

One would hope she has an unlocked phone and got herself an Indian SIM card when she arrived. But, Jenny seems completely helpless so maybe she has a phone with a simcard that can't be removed and she didn't activate roaming when she left. 

[iwasish]

1 hour ago, magemaud said:

But as she whined in the airport, "My cell phone doesn't work here..." 

maybe "Where can I buy some Depends" is more appropriate

Yes, every time they show the couple, it says he's 30, she's 60. 

She can’t get SS for at least 2 more years, so money is going to be an issue if she stays, with Sumit or alone. I really do not see her staying if Sumit returns to his parents. 

I did have a brief thought that Sumit ‘s folks might do a fake out on us and give their blessing or at least not file an objection.  He did have her there 5 years ago, they may have come to realize their son does love her and while they don’t like it they accept the relationship. But then I thought probably not. 

[Mr. Miner]

9 hours ago, Mrs. Hanson said:

  On the flip side, I could comment that Evelin needs to stop at the buffet line a few times, she is too thin!!

That would just make her a heavier, heartless leech. 😟

Edited August 3, 2019 by Mr. Minor

[watchingtvaddict]

2 hours ago, iwasish said:

She can’t get SS for at least 2 more years, so money is going to be an issue if she stays, with Sumit or alone. I really do not see her staying if Sumit returns to his parents. 

I did have a brief thought that Sumit ‘s folks might do a fake out on us and give their blessing or at least not file an objection.  He did have her there 5 years ago, they may have come to realize their son does love her and while they don’t like it they accept the relationship. But then I thought probably not. 

If we meet Sumit's parents next week I think they'll give their blessing and this is all a set up for a storyline. If Sumit's parents remain off camera I think they really are against the relationship. If that's the case, I don't really know what Jenny is going to do. How can you stay in a foreign country if you're too afraid to do anything by yourself, need your partner to chaperone you everywhere and don't have enough money for said partner to not work so they can care for you....