Season 15: Speculation and Spoilers

[chocolatine]

1 hour ago, dirtypop90 said:

Wow, so he's giving himself carte blanche to be a selfish jerk into perpetuity, because it's all OK as long as he "goes back to Jesus" every time. Whoever is stupid enough to buy this deserves what she gets with him.

[waving feather]

Is there video or picture evidence of him grinding on girls or groping them? Just curious because I've seen it said a lot everywhere like it's facts. Where are people getting these juicy info from?

F1 or not,  I personally don't see Jed being that into Hannah. You can read his body language. But Hannah seems to have a fix idea of what kind of men she wants or is her type. 

[dirtypop90]

14 minutes ago, waving feather said:

Is there video or picture evidence of him grinding on girls or groping them? Just curious because I've seen it said a lot everywhere like it's facts. Where are people getting these juicy info from?

F1 or not,  I personally don't see Jed being that into Hannah. You can read his body language. But Hannah seems to have a fix idea of what kind of men she wants or is her type. 

Spoiler accounts/podcasts have said they were sent videos of him with women but were not given consent to release them publicly.  RS has also stated he has additional info on Jed he was not given consent to release.  I’m sure if someone sent the spoiler accounts the videos, they were sent to RS too.   RS said he started receiving dirt on Jed as soon as he was casted.  I think since they thought Tyler won they weren’t really concerned about what Jed was doing or his former relationships.  So when they first received the videos and other dirt on Jed they shrugged them off because they thought he was single.  One spoiler account still believes Jed is single, despite what RS says.

Agree re Jed’s body language giving him away.  She doesn’t see it though.  Girl has full heart eyes whenever she’s looking at him.

[Mabinogia]

12 hours ago, dirtypop90 said:

One spoiler account still believes Jed is single, despite what RS says.

Well, it's been a while since filming ended. He could be single again by now. lol 

I agree that his body language is not that of someone who wants Hannah long term, though I'm sure he wouldn't mind tapping that before they have a big messy breakup that gets his name in all the tabs and launches his two second entertainment career. 

And yeah, if she can't have Luke, Jed is the next best thing as far as her check list goes.

[Nedsdag]

18 hours ago, dirtypop90 said:

One spoiler account still believes Jed is single, despite what RS says.

 

So ladies and gentlemen, which ATFR scenario will we see?:

• The Brad/Emily one where she said she "poked the bear"?
• The Jake/Vienna melodrama meltdown?
• The Becca/Garrett "All Apologies/spin doctoring" one?

Or maybe there's one that I left out. Please feel free to add.

[nlkm9]

1 hour ago, Nedsdag said:

So ladies and gentlemen, which ATFR scenario will we see?:

• The Brad/Emily one where she said she "poked the bear"?
• The Jake/Vienna melodrama meltdown?
• The Becca/Garrett "All Apologies/spin doctoring" one?

Or maybe there's one that I left out. Please feel free to add.

the helene/aaron burge atfr...yikes.

[dirtypop90]

2 hours ago, Nedsdag said:

So ladies and gentlemen, which ATFR scenario will we see?:

• The Brad/Emily one where she said she "poked the bear"?
• The Jake/Vienna melodrama meltdown?
• The Becca/Garrett "All Apologies/spin doctoring" one?

Or maybe there's one that I left out. Please feel free to add.

I definitely see Hannah as a “stand by my man even when he’s doing me wrong” type of woman so Becca/Garrett?  But this will be tough because Garrett’s mess didn’t involving cheating or lying to Becca.  I honestly don’t know how they can spin this.  I’m still leaning towards TPTB knowing Jed’s dirt, but I don’t think Hannah did.  She was still going hard at Scott during post-season interviews.  Not something she would’ve done if she knew about Haley IMO.

[nutty1]

Garrett ‘s “mess” was really personal opinion. It can’t compare to this Jed debacle. 

[dirtypop90]

To support my opinion that TPTB do not care about protecting the final couple:

https://www.eonline.com/videos/291113/bachelorette-hannah-brown-gets-serenaded-by-jed

Jed will AGAIN serenade Hannah.  If they cared about either of them this scene would’ve been cut.  Fleiss is loving this.

[dirtypop90]

https://www.usmagazine.com/entertainment/news/the-bachelorette-jeds-ex-details-heartbreak-reunion/

Just keeps coming

[TiredMe]

2 hours ago, dirtypop90 said:

https://www.usmagazine.com/entertainment/news/the-bachelorette-jeds-ex-details-heartbreak-reunion/

Just keeps coming

You know I try to be somewhat forgiving when someone is in love and snowed by a guy (or girl) but his ex sounds like a dipshit. Who texts like that? I’ve never said those words but I know you’ll be the one! Oy that is tragic

[nlkm9]

On 6/22/2019 at 9:58 AM, adhoc said:

Okay, here are my thoughts about the whole "she was ok with him misleading <the Bachelorette>" thing that we saw here and also in Rachel's season.

I don't think that these young women are "okay" with their douchebag boyfriends pulling this crap at all. But they don't want to lose the jerk, and if they say "it's not okay, and don't expect me to be here for you when you get back," they fear they will lose him. And that's not acceptable. So they look the other way, essentially. 

In the case of this 4-month relationship, where Jed actually gave some advanced warning he was going on the show (but it was already too late, because, IMHO, sex bond already established), I don't really have any sympathy for Haley. (But I'm glad she came forward to illustrate what a player Jed was, so thanks for that.) 

My unasked-for opinion? Maybe next time be a little more discerning. Date a guy a little bit before getting so involved. When the guy does something you don't like don't just make excuses.  That's what Hannah does with Luke, because she wants him to turn out to be the guy she envisioned. Only he's not.

i couldnt agree more with you..BUT how sad is that??? believe me I have some friends who are so desperate they will move a guy in in days after meeting them--its so hard to watch. I have accepted some not so great boyfriends in the past but never could I overlook or look the other way at him kissing and doing more with another woman--and I was quite the doormat. ugh

Edited June 24, 2019 by nlkm9
mistake

[adhoc]

Got a good dose of Jed's singing tonight.

Well, at least now we've solved the mystery of why Jed needs his father's help paying his bills. 

[dirtypop90]

Twitter was brutal tonight.  I don't know how Hannah is going to deal with this.  Even Lauren Zima changed her tune tonight, maybe that's a clue the producers are about to throw Jed to the wolves.

[chocolatine]

8 hours ago, dirtypop90 said:

https://www.usmagazine.com/entertainment/news/the-bachelorette-jeds-ex-details-heartbreak-reunion/

Just keeps coming

Jed's ex is an even bigger famewhore than Jed. She'd going to milk this "scandal" for all it's worth to raise her own profile.

[dirtypop90]

Just now, chocolatine said:

Jed's ex is an even bigger famewhore than Jed. She'd going to milk this "scandal" for all it's worth to raise her own profile.

I'm sure that was the deal she made with Jed I'm sure.  He's not the only one who's going to get to promote his career.

[ECM1231]

Does Jed really have a music career? IE: whereby venues actually pay him to perform? Or he has sold cd's? He's awful. Cringeworthy. He will be the laughingstock of Nashville.

[waving feather]

5 hours ago, chocolatine said:

Jed's ex is an even bigger famewhore than Jed. She'd going to milk this "scandal" for all it's worth to raise her own profile.

Jed's ex creeps me out more than Jed, to be perfectly honest. This scandal ain't even a scandal to me. Yawn. It's boring but she keeps going on about it to every news outlet. She's so desperate. I found the he said/she said scandal between Amanda and Josh Murray much more juicy and entertaining. 

[ECM1231]

Well, now it looks as if squeaky clean, baby faced Peter Brady isn't all that innocent either. He  had a chickee he was seeing that he dumped right before he came on the show. From Reality Steve:

"-It’s been floating around the internet (even showed up in some tweets last night) about Peter having someone he was dating pre-show then dumped her once he found out he was cast. I’ve spoken with her. Have been in contact with her for the last 2 months. Did an email interview with her that was set to be posted tomorrow. She texted me last night saying after all the backlash she saw Haley getting for her interview, that she’d rather not have her story out there anymore. This was someone who went over the timeline of her relationship with Peter with me that definitely coincided with when he found out he was on the show. And this wasn’t casual either. I don’t think taking someone to Switzerland in November (which I have pictures of) then dumping her a few weeks later out of the blue (which I have the texts of) is the greatest look. But she doesn’t want it out there any more, she has just started seeing someone new, and I was informed not to run the interview. Sucks, but what can you do?"

Edited June 25, 2019 by ECM1231

[nlkm9]

I’ve been saying that peter seemed too “ smooth” this show was so great befor social

media and instagram and peoples motives weren’t so questionable !!

[nutty1]

At least he dumped her before. I imagine the number of contestants who do that are more than we realize. 

[Nowhere]

3 minutes ago, nutty1 said:

At least he dumped her before. I imagine the number of contestants who do that are more than we realize. 

Do we really think all these good looking guys can’t find a girl at home? Even the uglies probably have a few in their dm’s. I would bet that most of the men who ever come on this show have been in a relationship or close to it and/or had a sexual encounter within days before stepping on the plane. Yeah, right like the successful pilot doesn’t have chicks all over him on the daily. GTFOH.

[JenE4]

7 hours ago, Nowhere said:

Do we really think all these good looking guys can’t find a girl at home? Even the uglies probably have a few in their dm’s. I would bet that most of the men who ever come on this show have been in a relationship or close to it and/or had a sexual encounter within days before stepping on the plane. Yeah, right like the successful pilot doesn’t have chicks all over him on the daily. GTFOH.

Yeah, that’s why I laugh when someone is a “villain” for dating someone back home...when you’re going on a show to be one of 30 people dating the lead. No details on the extent of the relationship. If it’s like a year or more—ouch, that does hurt. But Jed’s girlfriend was of 4 months. That’s really not that big of a deal. If the purpose of the show is to get married and you don’t think the person you’re dating is the person you want to marry, then I concede it could still be Right Reasons to dump someone to find your future spouse on TV.

[tinkerbell]

1 hour ago, JenE4 said:

Yeah, that’s why I laugh when someone is a “villain” for dating someone back home...when you’re going on a show to be one of 30 people dating the lead. No details on the extent of the relationship. If it’s like a year or more—ouch, that does hurt. But Jed’s girlfriend was of 4 months. That’s really not that big of a deal. If the purpose of the show is to get married and you don’t think the person you’re dating is the person you want to marry, then I concede it could still be Right Reasons to dump someone to find your future spouse on TV.

I agree. And, considering the time lapse between applying to be on the show, going through the process to be cast,  and then waiting for it to start, are these guys NOT supposed to date during that time?  And if they date, there can be a difference of opinion as to whether someone is a "girlfriend", or just someone they have gone on several dates with.

[dirtypop90]

15 hours ago, Nowhere said:

Do we really think all these good looking guys can’t find a girl at home? Even the uglies probably have a few in their dm’s. I would bet that most of the men who ever come on this show have been in a relationship or close to it and/or had a sexual encounter within days before stepping on the plane. Yeah, right like the successful pilot doesn’t have chicks all over him on the daily. GTFOH.

For me, that's not the issue.  Peter dumped his gf before going on the show.  This is a dating show, not talent competition.  Folks should not be signing up who have significant others back home waiting for them.  I would have a completely different opinion of Jed if he dumped Haley first.  Instead, he told her, he loved her, he only wanted to be top 5, and this would make their relationship stronger.  The dude showed up to serenade Hannah with Haley's guitar case.  His actions are inexcusable.  IMO

Edited June 26, 2019 by dirtypop90

[dirtypop90]

In other news, James Taylor, blast from the past, and friend of the rumored F1, Jed, is slut-shaming Hannah on twitter:

[leighdear]

6 hours ago, tinkerbell said:

I agree. And, considering the time lapse between applying to be on the show, going through the process to be cast,  and then waiting for it to start, are these guys NOT supposed to date during that time?  And if they date, there can be a difference of opinion as to whether someone is a "girlfriend", or just someone they have gone on several dates with.

Some women just assume they ARE the girlfriend, and won't ask if the guy sees it that way.  Probably afraid the answer would be something like:

 "Well, not really...we're just hangin', right?  Havin' fun, right?  No need to put a label on it, baby".  

I've know enough delusional women that scenario applies to.   

Did she meet his family?  I didn't read all of her various articles, interviews and Q&A sessions.  

[portergirl99]

You guys! Are we getting punk'ed right now? Below is the text thread between Jed and his GF back home.  Wes must be so pissed right now!!!! Love it don't come easy!!!

Whoops read that wrong the first time.  Blue text is Haley -- so technically I guess she stole the line.  Thanks for the heads up Nowhere! 

Edited June 26, 2019 by portergirl99
Love, it don't come easy for Haley!

[Nowhere]

9 minutes ago, portergirl99 said:

You guys! Are we getting punk'ed right now? Below is the text thread between Jed and his GF back home.  Wes must be so pissed right now!!!! Jed totally ripped off his line!!! LOL

The blue is the girlfriend, right? 

[dirtypop90]

1 hour ago, leighdear said:

Some women just assume they ARE the girlfriend, and won't ask if the guy sees it that way.  Probably afraid the answer would be something like:

 "Well, not really...we're just hangin', right?  Havin' fun, right?  No need to put a label on it, baby".  

I've know enough delusional women that scenario applies to.   

Did she meet his family?  I didn't read all of her various articles, interviews and Q&A sessions.  

I vaguely remember a reference to his family, but meeting his family wouldn't necessarily indicate seriousness in this case.   Jed's dad is also a musician, so she could've met him even before she was with Jed.  I get the feeling the nashville music scene is small, which is why she bumped into Jed at a concert when he got back.  More telling to me is the vacation together and I love yous.  He also took her guitar case on the show.

I also wonder if Haley is partly why his dad went on a rant about the show on sm.  He straight up called it "fake."  I'm sure he knew about Haley and Jed prob told his dad he was only signing up for exposure, so  he wasn't thrilled about hometowns.

[tinkerbell]

3 hours ago, dirtypop90 said:

For me, that's not the issue.  Peter dumped his gf before going on the show.  This is a dating show, not talent competition.  Folks should not be signing up who have significant others back home waiting for them. 

But - if they sign up for the show, wait to see if they're cast, THEN meet someone, go on a few dates, then get told they made the cut and MIGHT be on the show,  then wait more, by the time they know they're on the show, it might be a few months into dating someone.   And breaking up might not be the smart thing, since they might very well be in the first or second round of rejects.  So, you string one person along while you give the tv show a try, to see what happens.  Going on the Bachelorette doesn't necessarily mean that you are ready to fall in love with the person who is the lead, it just means you are open to it.  Unless you are head-over-heels in love with the person at home, why not give the show a try, with all the free travel? 

[dirtypop90]

8 minutes ago, tinkerbell said:

But - if they sign up for the show, wait to see if they're cast, THEN meet someone, go on a few dates, then get told they made the cut and MIGHT be on the show,  then wait more, by the time they know they're on the show, it might be a few months into dating someone.   And breaking up might not be the smart thing, since they might very well be in the first or second round of rejects.  So, you string one person along while you give the tv show a try, to see what happens.  Going on the Bachelorette doesn't necessarily mean that you are ready to fall in love with the person who is the lead, it just means you are open to it.  Unless you are head-over-heels in love with the person at home, why not give the show a try, with all the free travel? 

It's not about the smart thing.  It's about doing the RIGHT thing IMO.  It is wrong to go on a dating show without ending things with a woman you claimed to love.  He essentially held on to her until a new and shiny thing came along, if is with Hannah.  We will have to agree to disagree.  I personally do not treat people that way.  I do not use people or string them along.

His pre-show actions aren't the only issue.  The spoiler account with the video of him and the woman at the bar posted a snapshot of the video showing Jed.  She didn't want to show the girls face because she was asked not to, but people continued to doubt that she had a video, so she provided the snapshot.

I want to be clear.  I don't think Jed is some evil dude.  He's just a boy, not ready to be engaged, stringing women along.  I call that behavior out with men in RL not just with men I see on TV.

[tinkerbell]

2 hours ago, dirtypop90 said:

It's not about the smart thing.  It's about doing the RIGHT thing IMO.  It is wrong to go on a dating show without ending things with a woman you claimed to love.  He essentially held on to her until a new and shiny thing came along, if is with Hannah.  We will have to agree to disagree.  I personally do not treat people that way.  I do not use people or string them along.

you misunderstood my post.  I wasn't referring specifically to Jed.  I was responding to a general statement that people shouldn't apply to a dating show when they are in a relationship.  my point is that in the time between applying to go on the show, and actually leaving for the show, you can meet and begin to date someone.  

[RealHousewife]

I agree with all the posts that it’s all so silly to vilify someone for dating/having a casual relationship and still signing up to be a on a show where they will be dating someone who is dating 30 people! The points about the timelines are good ones. I think there’s a lot of gray with this issue. I completely agree that if you have no sincere interest in legitimately dating the Bachelor or Bachelorette and have a serious partner you love, don’t sign up. And then if something got serious just before you’re supposed to start the show, maybe you can gracefully bow out? I don’t know details about how that works. I don’t think Jed specifically sounds like a real winner from everything I’ve read about the dude, but I agree the whole high and mighty attitude of someone dating 30 people has over a guy who possibly recently dated as well rubs me the wrong way. That’s how I felt watching Hannah go off on the young man in the first episode.

The show is full of young attractive men and women. They are going to date, especially if they have no idea if the Bachelor/Bachelorette will take to them and vice versa. I don’t doubt that this is a way for a lot of them to promote their careers. How many models alone have signed up? I would hate to not date someone I really liked because of the possibility of being cast on the show, and then the possibility of whether or not a real relationship even develops. 

Maybe it’s because while I like seeing romance on the show (actually wish there was more of that and less fighting and make-out sessions), I know at the end of the day this is entertainment. I’m not a romantic to the degree I romanticize a show like this one. Most of the couples do not legitimately fall in love and then stay together. It’s a reality show for people who want to be on TV. Wannabe actors, social media influencers, and pageant girls like Hannah will flock to it. Some of the these people may see it as work, and then others flat out love the cameras and attention. I don’t buy that most of these young, physically fit people think the only way to fall in love is on TV with the help of Chris Harrison and millions of viewers watching them. Again, not a fan of Jed. YMMV.

Edited June 27, 2019 by RealHousewife

[dirtypop90]

More tidbits from Haley's podcast with RS:

They exchanged I love yous.  They took multiple trips together and met each others families.  They took a trip to go visit his family.   Jed met her family at christmas.   She found out he was casted shortly before the trip to the Bahamas.  She paid for the trip to the bahamas with money from her parents.  Haley helped Jed pack for the show.  RS accidentally spilled to Haley that Jed slept with another woman shortly before the trip to the Bahamas; He has the texts to prove it; RS thought she knew; Haley didn't know and started crying. 

Haley took responsibility for her actions and said she should've walked away when he told her he was going on the show

[leighdear]

If all the guys were like Luke and let Jesus take the wheel, they wouldn't have to worry about staying in their lanes. 

**Apologies to Carrie Underwood**

[dirtypop90]

Per RS, Hannah ended the engagement with Jed earlier this week.

Just give me the ATFR already!  I bet they are filming all of this!!

[CindyBee]

9 minutes ago, dirtypop90 said:

Per RS, Hannah ended the engagement with Jed earlier this week.

Just give me the ATFR already!  I bet they are filming all of this!!

So glad Hannah had the sense to end her engagement to Jed.   

And yes let's just fast forward to the end of July!

[leighdear]

Smart girl.  No way she could white-wash his behavior, the way Becca could with Garrett.  

But.....

Courtney & Ben say they broke up for a while when the show was airing, but got back together before the finale aired. No telling what's going to happen with Hannah.  

BTW, just listened to Reality Steve's interview with Haley Stevens & it's really a good interview.  She even sticks up for Hannah & has sympathy for her & the media bashing against her. 

Edited June 27, 2019 by leighdear

[truthaboutluv]

Lordy and we thought Kaitlyn's season was a big 'ol hot mess. This insanity is putting that to shame. I've said it before, and I'm not trying to sound ageist because I know for a fact there are some very mature and well-adjusted 20 something year olds. 

But sorry, Hannah is not one of them and this girl is not ready to settle down with anyone and she was way too immature for this. On the cynical level though, should make for an entertaining as hell end to the season. And we thought Colton's fence jump was the most exciting thing we'd seen in many seasons. 

[Nedsdag]

I want to sympathize with Hannah, but after she kicked Scott to the curb on night one, I can't. Plus, didn't she see the warning signs? Jed said he was on the show to promote his music TO HER FACE. Yet, she still kept him around.

Please, Tyler, don't take her back. She's not ready for a mature relationship. Just hope TPTB offer you a king's ransom to be the next Bachelor.

[dirtypop90]

12 minutes ago, truthaboutluv said:

Lordy and we thought Kaitlyn's season was a big 'ol hot mess. This insanity is putting that to shame. I've said it before, and I'm not trying to sound ageist because I know for a fact there are some very mature and well-adjusted 20 something year olds. 

But sorry, Hannah is not one of them and this girl is not ready to settle down with anyone and she was way too immature for this. On the cynical level though, should make for an entertaining as hell end to the season. And we thought Colton's fence jump was the most exciting thing we'd seen in many seasons. 

Agreed but I also feel like Hannah was set up in a way.  TPTB knew Jed was her type (she posted on SM her dream was to be a country singer. she prob also told them she wanted to live in nashville) and they  knew he was only there for his career IMO they likely also knew about the girlfriend.  I don't buy all the rumors about him slipped by them.  They also let the situation with Luke go until it couldn't anymore, the FS blow up.  Yes, Hannah was attracted to him, but IMO they encouraged her to keep giving him chances.  I also think certain dates and convos happened literally just to push Luke's buttons.  They knew how Luke would react to the bungee jump date AND probably encouraged Garett to tell him.  They also made Luke's FS date the last date to provoke the sex talk, likely even told Luke to ask about it.  They did nothing to help their young lead because all they care about is drama.  I'm sure fleiss is cackling with glee.

[truthaboutluv]

Well yes, the producers were manipulative. They always are. But again, that's where someone with greater maturity and life experience, would have still been able to survive the manipulated pressure cooker. Hannah was simply in over her head with this franchise. Then again, isn't that why Harrison said they picked her? Because she was such an awkward hot mess on Colton's season. 

[dirtypop90]

^I agree.  Do you think it's possible they wrote the whole script?  Mills said in one of the first interviews post-filming she was undecided until the last minute and could've gone either way.  Hannah also IMO looked off during her first interviews.  So off to me I wasn't sure if she was happy and/or engaged.  Do you think it's possible they pushed her to choose Jed, knowing the gf mess would break?  Maybe it's because I watched Unreal, but I think they are totally capable.  And Hannah is very susceptible to manipulation. 

I'm suddenly feeling really bad for Hannah.

Edit to add: If this has been scripted, I expect Tyler to be spotted in LA soon.

Edited June 27, 2019 by dirtypop90

[truthaboutluv]

2 hours ago, dirtypop90 said:

Do you think it's possible they pushed her to choose Jed, knowing the gf mess would break?

No and I also don't believe this has all been scripted. I feel like these conspiracy theories come up every year and I don't buy it. Like if this were scripted, I personally think they would have loved for her to pick Luke, knowing the reaction THAT would have gotten. 

I definitely think the producers put the contestants and lead in certain situations to play up the drama. Things like the contestants not being allowed any devices, like even television or even books, to ensure they're literally forced to only think about the lead which heightens their feelings to more than it may be, etc. 

However I don't think they tell or even manipulate the leads into picking a specific person and I don't believe they construct elaborate devious plans to torture the lead. Because the reality is while drama sells and it always will, Bachelor Nation viewers have shown that they do support most of the couples that come out of the show and are happy for them when they actually go on and get married and have kids.

Real legitimate relationships have come from the franchise, icky and weird though the show may be. So I don't buy that the producers concocted this whole elaborate storyboard to essentially hurt and embarrass Hannah for ratings.

I just think Hannah has shit taste in men and so after spending most of her time trying to find a reason to pick Luke despite ALL the signs that he was a tool, when she finally let that mess go, her shitty guy radar directed her right to Jed. 

[waving feather]

A mess. And Hannah had decent guys on her season, even some of the early boots. But she really picked Luke and Jed all the way to final 4. I never realised how young Hannah is because she looks like 30. She was not looking for husband material at all and has such bad taste in men. She just wants a boyfriend to play around with and make some drama. So it's fitting that she broke off her engagement. 

[ApprenticeFan]

10 hours ago, CindyBee said:

So glad Hannah had the sense to end her engagement to Jed.   

And yes let's just fast forward to the end of July!

Fuck that shit! Hannah is to get back with Tyler Cameron as their romance is going to reconnect. They will be getting engaged in the After the Final Rose on July 29, that will be a month away.

[nutty1]

10 hours ago, truthaboutluv said:

No and I also don't believe this has all been scripted. I feel like these conspiracy theories come up every year and I don't buy it. Like if this were scripted, I personally think they would have loved for her to pick Luke, knowing the reaction THAT would have gotten. 

I definitely think the producers put the contestants and lead in certain situations to play up the drama. Things like the contestants not being allowed any devices, like even television or even books, to ensure they're literally forced to only think about the lead which heightens their feelings to more than it may be, etc. 

However I don't think they tell or even manipulate the leads into picking a specific person and I don't believe they construct elaborate devious plans to torture the lead. Because the reality is while drama sells and it always will, Bachelor Nation viewers have shown that they do support most of the couples that come out of the show and are happy for them when they actually go on and get married and have kids.

Real legitimate relationships have come from the franchise, icky and weird though the show may be. So I don't buy that the producers concocted this whole elaborate storyboard to essentially hurt and embarrass Hannah for ratings.

I just think Hannah has shit taste in men and so after spending most of her time trying to find a reason to pick Luke despite ALL the signs that he was a tool, when she finally let that mess go, her shitty guy radar directed her right to Jed. 

Thanks for saving me time and writing up what I wanted to say! Yes to all of the above  

[leighdear]

7 hours ago, waving feather said:

 She just wants a boyfriend to play around with and make some drama. So it's fitting that she broke off her engagement. 

I dunno.  I think if she just wanted a boyfriend to play with, she already had Jed, who just burned down his ENTIRE life to be with her.   That's a big sacrifice from him, as idiotic as it is.  It proves he was literally all in and cared nothing about the consequences.  

I think Hannah "broke off the engagement" to re-establish her control, in the wake of Haley-Gate.  She's still with him, so I see him doing heavy penance until ATFR, then she'll reluctantly get re-engaged to him.  Just my perception, YMMV.   

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42 minutes ago, leighdear said:

I dunno.  I think if she just wanted a boyfriend to play with, she already had Jed, who just burned down his ENTIRE life to be with her.   That's a big sacrifice from him, as idiotic as it is.  It proves he was literally all in and cared nothing about the consequences.  

I think Hannah "broke off the engagement" to re-establish her control, in the wake of Haley-Gate.  She's still with him, so I see him doing heavy penance until ATFR, then she'll reluctantly get re-engaged to him.  Just my perception, YMMV.   

I thought “broke off engagement” was bachelor speak for broken up.  She probably can’t cut all ties until ATFR.  TPTB wants to film more.

 Plus she ended the engagement before the additional details from Stevens came out this week.  I don’t see her staying with him.  She’s spent maybe a week total in time with this man.  She’s not that attached.

Jed burned down his entire house for his career.  Hannah is a bigger meal ticket than Haley.  And rumor has it he has already cheated on her.   That might have been what caused the split and not the Haley mess.

I def think she wants to be engaged, if anything just to say she is.  But I also think she wants to be with someone who actually loves her and isn’t in it just for fame.

Edited June 28, 2019 by dirtypop90