Found A Peanut August 4, 2015 Share August 4, 2015 Well, damn. This is a mess. 3 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/825-kim-richards-no-escape-from-witch-mountain/page/102/#findComment-1385757
LilaFowler August 4, 2015 Share August 4, 2015 So her relatives didn't even bail her out? She really has burned every bridge. She's living out of her car? 1 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/825-kim-richards-no-escape-from-witch-mountain/page/102/#findComment-1385785
Found A Peanut August 4, 2015 Share August 4, 2015 Kim had to have been high as a kite when she pulled this stunt. She probably thought she'd paid for the merchandise. What a mess. Kim may hate Kyle, but from what I can see, it was Kyle/Mauricio keeping that house of cards from collapsing this whole time. I think that's why Kim hates them. Gratitude can really curdle over time. So her relatives didn't even bail her out? She really has burned every bridge. She's living out of her car? The story doesn't make sense there, though, maybe sense is not applicable here. If you're living in your car, why would you be cramming it full of three cartloads of crap from Target? What was Kim doing, freshening up the decor? 2 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/825-kim-richards-no-escape-from-witch-mountain/page/102/#findComment-1385832
kassa August 4, 2015 Share August 4, 2015 One of the articles I read said she had three carts, but only had one out by her car. Maybe so she could claim "i was just putting this in my car and going to go back in and pay for the rest..."? Bi-zarre. I get most of my law enforcement information from Cops, but couldn't she be charged with burglary, if she went there with no intention of buying the stuff she put in her cart? Slipping a lipstick or a pair of sunglasses into your purse... "whoopsie! Wasn't thinking! Honest, officer!" Loading three carts and walking one out to the car... more than that. Not just because of the dollar amount, but the intent. 2 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/825-kim-richards-no-escape-from-witch-mountain/page/102/#findComment-1385865
talula August 4, 2015 Share August 4, 2015 (edited) Sounds like Kim is crying out for attention...how very sad. Even if high as a kite, or drunk as a skunk, she knew she'd get caught and be in the tabloids again. She seems to crave any kind of attention, even negative rather then being ignored. Being fired from Bravo gives her no income, but also no identity. Very sad for her, especially her children and family. What a cliche she's living...another child actor gone wrong. Edited August 4, 2015 by talula 2 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/825-kim-richards-no-escape-from-witch-mountain/page/102/#findComment-1385884
Giselle August 4, 2015 Share August 4, 2015 In the ET link, Monty is quoted as saying this is not drug or alcohol related. Oh. So, he is basically admitting Kim also does drugs. Didn't he one time maintain it was just an alcohol issue? Right. Her family and her attorney will maintain she is a sick, sick woman. Well, she is. Addiction is a disease. But, she won't have much happen to her in the courts because this is misdemeanor and it isn't as if Kim has been arrested before for this same crime. Damn it! She won't face jail time as punishment. She will face a fine and probation. Her real punishment will come in the form of her health deteriorating, her mental well-being (which isn't much) spiraling further down, and no income since I can't think of Bravo or anyone else wanting to hire Kim unless she is hired to be the brunt of jokes on some tv show. At least Charlie Sheen was entertaining when his wreck of a life was in in the headlines. I'll never forget "Tiger Blood!" 4 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/825-kim-richards-no-escape-from-witch-mountain/page/102/#findComment-1385926
Giselle August 4, 2015 Share August 4, 2015 (edited) From what Monte said I wonder if some of the stuff she stole were gaming cartridges. Maybe it was 10K jewelry, cosmetics, OTC drugs. Stuff like that could add up and it could be hidden. Edited August 4, 2015 by Giselle 2 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/825-kim-richards-no-escape-from-witch-mountain/page/102/#findComment-1385950
GreatKazu August 4, 2015 Share August 4, 2015 One of the articles I read said she had three carts, but only had one out by her car. Maybe so she could claim "i was just putting this in my car and going to go back in and pay for the rest..."? No, because she didn't pay for the stuff she was putting in her car. She might have had three carts to try and make it look like she was buying all kinds of stuff. She is Kim Richards and she couldn't be seen with just one cart. It is so funny to read that Kim had three carts. I have this image in my head as Kim is trying to maintain three carts full of stuff, if that is even true. I get most of my law enforcement information from Cops, but couldn't she be charged with burglary, if she went there with no intention of buying the stuff she put in her cart? Burglary entails illegally entering a property. Kim entered into a store. That is not illegally entering a property. It should be illegal for Kim to enter anything other than a rehab center where she must do the program for a full six months. 4 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/825-kim-richards-no-escape-from-witch-mountain/page/102/#findComment-1385953
Giselle August 4, 2015 Share August 4, 2015 Can her family put her on a 72 hour hold at a psych facility and keep her there? Bets anyone? How long before she's back in rehab? Of course followed by the "I thought I was ok, but I know I need more time" Fast enough to avoid the media, and will stay long enough until she thinks she's fooled everyone once again. 3 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/825-kim-richards-no-escape-from-witch-mountain/page/102/#findComment-1385968
cooksdelight August 4, 2015 Share August 4, 2015 I wonder if that Target has an escalator? Because you know Kim would have used it with her carts. Like in Amsterdam (or whichever airport it was where she took her luggage on the escalator). Three carts. Still cannot fathom what she was thinking. What did she do, rope them together with bungee cords from the outdoor department? 6 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/825-kim-richards-no-escape-from-witch-mountain/page/102/#findComment-1385977
phoenix780 August 4, 2015 Share August 4, 2015 It suddenly strikes me as sad that with all the weirdness in the details of the stories thus far we all seem to be finding them fairly credible when it comes to the base assertion. We don't seem to doubt that Kim would steal a bunch of random crap from a Target. That's what she's done to her public image. 9 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/825-kim-richards-no-escape-from-witch-mountain/page/102/#findComment-1385995
Giselle August 4, 2015 Share August 4, 2015 I wonder if that Target has an escalator? Because you know Kim would have used it with her carts. Like in Amsterdam (or whichever airport it was where she took her luggage on the escalator). Three carts. Still cannot fathom what she was thinking. What did she do, rope them together with bungee cords from the outdoor department? If she is living out of her car, which I doubt, one would think vehicular real estate would be at a premium and shouldn't be cluttered up from a shopping spree. Thought I read somewhere that Good Sister Kathy bailed her out. 2 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/825-kim-richards-no-escape-from-witch-mountain/page/102/#findComment-1386007
peaceknit August 4, 2015 Share August 4, 2015 Three carts of TOYS, that's the mindblowing part! What a fucking mess... 3 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/825-kim-richards-no-escape-from-witch-mountain/page/102/#findComment-1386009
Giselle August 4, 2015 Share August 4, 2015 Maybe she was going to visit her favorite child and had to get prezzies for Kingsley. At least she didn't steal the Target dog...and that was only because she couldn't fit him in her purse like her niece Paris. 4 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/825-kim-richards-no-escape-from-witch-mountain/page/102/#findComment-1386039
LilaFowler August 4, 2015 Share August 4, 2015 The three cart thing: I saw a shoplifting tumblr recently (yes, they exist -- people post photos about the stuff that they've "lifted," share tips, etc). If memory serves, one way to get away with stealing loads of crap? Fill multiple carts with items you want. Put the cheaper items in one cart, put the more expensive items in another and then park it near the front of the store but in a place where it won't easily be spotted. Pay for the items in the cheaper cart, take it to your car. Then, take the receipt back into the store, grab your other cart and exit the store with the receipt fully visible in your hand. I'll bet this is what Kim tried to do and got caught. Shoplifting creates a high, and she's an addict. What a mess. I hope they throw her in jail for a time. Might do her some good. 14 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/825-kim-richards-no-escape-from-witch-mountain/page/102/#findComment-1386088
SFoster21 August 4, 2015 Share August 4, 2015 The three cart thing: I saw a shoplifting tumblr recently (yes, they exist -- people post photos about the stuff that they've "lifted," share tips, etc). If memory serves, one way to get away with stealing loads of crap? Fill multiple carts with items you want. Put the cheaper items in one cart, put the more expensive items in another and then park it near the front of the store but in a place where it won't easily be spotted. Pay for the items in the cheaper cart, take it to your car. Then, take the receipt back into the store, grab your other cart and exit the store with the receipt fully visible in your hand. I'll bet this is what Kim tried to do and got caught. Shoplifting creates a high, and she's an addict. What a mess. I hope they throw her in jail for a time. Might do her some good. Wow! The Internet! Information highway, indeed. 5 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/825-kim-richards-no-escape-from-witch-mountain/page/102/#findComment-1386130
JennyMominFL August 4, 2015 Share August 4, 2015 (edited) Shoplifting usually just gets you taken to a special room in the store, the police are called, they write up a report and tell you when your court date is. Something else must have happened to cause them to hold her overnight. My niece, who is 2 years clean from a heroin addiction, was arrested for shoplifting at Kohls. She would steal stuff, take it to a resale store, and sell for drug money. She had about $600 worth of stuff. At that amount it was a felony. They put her in jail. It was 3 days before they arraigned her( I think). We ended up leaving here in their and then got her to rehab...Bottom line is, if you steal enough that the charge is a felony, they will put you in jail. She had no record prior to this, so It wasn't because she had already been in trouble. Edited August 4, 2015 by JennyMominFL 7 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/825-kim-richards-no-escape-from-witch-mountain/page/102/#findComment-1386155
kassa August 4, 2015 Share August 4, 2015 (edited) I get most of my law enforcement information from Cops, but couldn't she be charged with burglary, if she went there with no intention of buying the stuff she put in her cart? Burglary entails illegally entering a property. Kim entered into a store. That is not illegally entering a property. My understanding is that burglary also pertains if you enter for the sole purpose of theft. Which is what they've said to people on Cops upon finding that they had no money on them. You went into the liquor store with no money, hence no ability to purchase anything. So the fact that you went in and left without paying shows you deliberately entered in order to steal, as opposed to having the ability to pay and simply deciding not to. (Which actually seems like a way to penalize poor crooks over people who have the cash to say "Oh, silly me -- I forgot that whole cash register part of the transaction!") Edited August 4, 2015 by kassa 1 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/825-kim-richards-no-escape-from-witch-mountain/page/102/#findComment-1386205
GreatKazu August 4, 2015 Share August 4, 2015 (edited) It suddenly strikes me as sad that with all the weirdness in the details of the stories thus far we all seem to be finding them fairly credible when it comes to the base assertion. We don't seem to doubt that Kim would steal a bunch of random crap from a Target. That's what she's done to her public image. When it comes to addicts, I never feel anything they do is crazy, outrageous or WTF. They are what they are and they will do just about anything. What is abnormal to you and I, is purely normal to them. I could read a story tomorrow about Kim being in Costco and she guzzled down a bottle of wine, only to later say she thought it was a sample. My understanding is that burglary also pertains if you enter for the sole purpose of theft. Which is what they've said to people on Cops upon finding that they had no money on them. You went into the liquor store with no money, hence no ability to purchase anything. So the fact that you went in and left without paying shows you deliberately entered in order to steal, as opposed to having the ability to pay and simply deciding not to. (Which actually seems like a way to penalize poor crooks over people who have the cash to say "Oh, silly me -- I forgot that whole cash register part of the transaction!") That would be stealing, theft or shoplifting. That is different than burglary. To be charged with burglary in California, one must enter a dwelling, structure, or property illegally: To commit a burglary you must unlawfully enter a structure or dwelling with the intent to commit a crime within it. It’s enough to make such an entry without actually committing a crime within the building, and the crime you intend to commit does not have to be theft or robbery. Per California law: Grand theft applies to acts of theft where the value of the property is more than $400. Grand theft can be charged as a misdemeanor or a felony. This decision is made by the prosecution and is determined by any past convictions on your record. Grand theft is punishable by fines and up to one year in jail or state prison. Edited August 4, 2015 by GreatKazu 2 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/825-kim-richards-no-escape-from-witch-mountain/page/102/#findComment-1386223
rehoboth August 4, 2015 Share August 4, 2015 Add me to the list of people who can't fathom how much stuff you'd have to take to equal $600 at Target (at least stuff that isn't electronically fastened to the counter/behind lock and key). I am picturing her with three carts filled with aerosols covered over with some toys. "Ossiffer, you don't understand.... I need my house to be really clean. Squeaky Squeaky clean. That's why I need all of these cans By the way, do they sell Reddi-Wip here?" 3 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/825-kim-richards-no-escape-from-witch-mountain/page/102/#findComment-1386358
Alonzo Mosely FBI August 4, 2015 Share August 4, 2015 Do we have security camera footage in our future from Target? 6 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/825-kim-richards-no-escape-from-witch-mountain/page/102/#findComment-1386442
cooksdelight August 4, 2015 Share August 4, 2015 Do we have security camera footage in our future from Target? They've got cameras everywhere, I would think so. But you can bet all the tabloid TV shows are going to see who can get it on the air first. 2 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/825-kim-richards-no-escape-from-witch-mountain/page/102/#findComment-1386468
phoenix780 August 4, 2015 Share August 4, 2015 Do we have security camera footage in our future from Target? Forget security cameras- how are none of the people around her whipping out cell phones (except that one time)? Random people everywhere are getting yanked into the spotlight for doing random things in semi-public places. How is a reality star escaping documentary evidence? 5 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/825-kim-richards-no-escape-from-witch-mountain/page/102/#findComment-1386477
Roxy August 4, 2015 Share August 4, 2015 This is unreal. She is on a collision course. It's as if she's taking a script on "washed up child star veers headlong to death". There's only a scene or two left. Will she hurt someone while driving drunk and end up dead? Will she die in prison? Who knows but it's looking like her final scene is coming up. Get ready for the close up, Kim, DeMille is on his way.(Sunset Blvd reference to those who don't know) It's sad but I dislike her so much, I can't sympathize completely. She's too mean to everyone around. I know, it's the disease, but it's not a good look. 3 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/825-kim-richards-no-escape-from-witch-mountain/page/102/#findComment-1386488
Rahul August 4, 2015 Share August 4, 2015 (edited) So many questions... Is Kim still "loving" her sobriety since it's given her the good sense to shoplift upwards of $600 worth of merchandise? If Kim claims her arrest earlier in the year at BH Hotel was rock bottom, then what is this? How much further will she fall before she actually wants to help herself? Or will her addictions be the early death of her? Stay tuned folks. Only time will tell! Edited August 4, 2015 by Rahul 7 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/825-kim-richards-no-escape-from-witch-mountain/page/102/#findComment-1386522
notnowimbusy August 4, 2015 Share August 4, 2015 It would be much easier to feel sorry for Kim if she actually took responsibility for her actions. But there is always an excuse - she only had the one drink before Polo Lounge, and nothing after - she needed a "rest" from hospital, stress, family and nothing about her addiction - her doctors and "team" didn't think she needed rehab - she "maybe" had one "mini" margarita she saw on the beach because everyone was focused on the bride & groom and the mom. If she every honestly came out and said I'm really messed up, it's both alcohol & prescription drugs, and I can't seem to overcome it, maybe people would have some kind of sympathy. But she only blames everyone else, deflects her problems, and is always looking for somebody else, usually her family, to continue to bail her out. Plus, when she was sober, or as close as she gets, she was a real b*&%$! She's headed to involuntary commitment somewhere. A lock-down psych ward who isn't going to pamper her, lt her detox hard, and have her release left up to professionals who could care less if she was a child star. 14 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/825-kim-richards-no-escape-from-witch-mountain/page/102/#findComment-1386596
Rahul August 4, 2015 Share August 4, 2015 It would be much easier to feel sorry for Kim if she actually took responsibility for her actions. So true. That is how I know she's not committed to her sobriety. If Kim really wanted to change, she'd admit the scope of her behavior and not minimize, deflect and or mis-attribute blame the way she has been doing up until now. 8 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/825-kim-richards-no-escape-from-witch-mountain/page/102/#findComment-1386607
WireWrap August 4, 2015 Share August 4, 2015 It would be much easier to feel sorry for Kim if she actually took responsibility for her actions. But there is always an excuse - she only had the one drink before Polo Lounge, and nothing after - she needed a "rest" from hospital, stress, family and nothing about her addiction - her doctors and "team" didn't think she needed rehab - she "maybe" had one "mini" margarita she saw on the beach because everyone was focused on the bride & groom and the mom. If she every honestly came out and said I'm really messed up, it's both alcohol & prescription drugs, and I can't seem to overcome it, maybe people would have some kind of sympathy. But she only blames everyone else, deflects her problems, and is always looking for somebody else, usually her family, to continue to bail her out. Plus, when she was sober, or as close as she gets, she was a real b*&%$! She's headed to involuntary commitment somewhere. A lock-down psych ward who isn't going to pamper her, lt her detox hard, and have her release left up to professionals who could care less if she was a child star. Kim's kids need to step up and have her declared incompetent in court and have her committed to a psych facility for long term care. Until she gets whatever demons she harbors under control, she will never get her multiple addictions under control. I don't know which came first, psych problems or addiction but they need to get the psych issue under control first because she is incapable of seeing clearly at this point in her sorry life. We know Kim can't even finish rehab, she can't seem to stay sober for long in the real world so it is, IMO, time for a psych facility commitment, involuntary commitment where she can not leave until she gets real long term help and the only ones with the ability to do that are her kids. 13 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/825-kim-richards-no-escape-from-witch-mountain/page/102/#findComment-1386639
AnnA August 4, 2015 Share August 4, 2015 20 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/825-kim-richards-no-escape-from-witch-mountain/page/102/#findComment-1386801
LotusFlower August 4, 2015 Share August 4, 2015 Yea, except it's possible she isn't mentally incapacitated, and is just a mean drunk/long-time drug addict. If that's the case, I hate to put even more responsibility on the kids - it's not their fault or their responsibility, and I feel like they've put up with too much already in their young lives re: their mother. I feel like Kim needs to sink or swim on her own. She's certainly had a million chances and a lot of family help up until now. 18 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/825-kim-richards-no-escape-from-witch-mountain/page/102/#findComment-1386815
hoosier80 August 4, 2015 Share August 4, 2015 Just saw this - sure looks like it's referencing our little Kimmie. It's a sad situation. Apparently, no one ever set boundaries for Kim, now she's paying for it, along with her family. Do we think she was just getting her jollies from shoplifting or was she grabbing stuff to resell for money (then booze/pills)? I agree she's either headed for an involuntary commitment or od'ing. http://blindgossip.com/?p=72899 7 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/825-kim-richards-no-escape-from-witch-mountain/page/102/#findComment-1386832
SwordQueen August 4, 2015 Share August 4, 2015 Just heard about Kim being in jail and I knew I needed to get my butt back in here to see you lovely people! I thought the news must have been about that last arrest after the reunion show, but no. Damn, she's really taking the cannon ball approach to hitting bottom, isn't she, and splashing her loved ones in the face, on the way down. 12 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/825-kim-richards-no-escape-from-witch-mountain/page/102/#findComment-1386860
WireWrap August 5, 2015 Share August 5, 2015 Yea, except it's possible she isn't mentally incapacitated, and is just a mean drunk/long-time drug addict. If that's the case, I hate to put even more responsibility on the kids - it's not their fault or their responsibility, and I feel like they've put up with too much already in their young lives re: their mother. I feel like Kim needs to sink or swim on her own. She's certainly had a million chances and a lot of family help up until now. I do think she has psych issues but I'm not sure if she has always had them or they are due to decades of drug/alcohol abuse but at this point, she is out of control and although it may be a long shot, it may be their only shot at getting her long term help. I think Kim is mean/selfish drunk/high or stone cold sober. I agree about putting this on the kids shoulders but they are the only ones that could do it legally. Maybe if Kathy, Kyle led it, the kids could join in but not take the lead. 8 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/825-kim-richards-no-escape-from-witch-mountain/page/102/#findComment-1386916
Cosmic Muffin August 5, 2015 Share August 5, 2015 Four or five carts of stuff valued at $5,000, according to the link I read. And toys? This is crazy addict behavior. Is she still crashing at Kathy's? Would there be room for all this stuff? I hope we get some insight to why, but I don't think Kim will give the real reasons, if she knows what they are. 2 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/825-kim-richards-no-escape-from-witch-mountain/page/102/#findComment-1386939
LotusFlower August 5, 2015 Share August 5, 2015 But having psychological issues and being mentally incompetent are two very different things. I think there's a pretty strict threshold to meet in order to be declared mentally incompetent (think Britney Spears), and I don't think Kim meets it, even with her arrests. When Kim is "loving her sobriety," ie. sober for at least a day or even a few hours, she can pull herself together and conduct an interview for ET. I think the only thing her kids should do at this point (and Kathy, and everyone else in her life) is tell her that she has to go to an out-of-state rehab facility for six months minimum and take it seriously, and if she leaves even one day short, or against the center's advice, then they're done with her. They have to mean it, and they have to back it up, as hard as that would be. Yes, I've seen many episodes of Intervention, why do you ask?! 11 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/825-kim-richards-no-escape-from-witch-mountain/page/102/#findComment-1386963
notnowimbusy August 5, 2015 Share August 5, 2015 Wow E has a whole new take on what's going on. http://www.eonline.com/news/683283/inside-kim-richards-difficult-reality-before-her-shoplifting-arrest?cmpid=rss-000000-rssfeed-365-topstories&utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter&utm_campaign=rss_topstories This says she isn't speaking to her sisters - meaning both of them. And if it's true about her car, she probably was using Brooke's car while she's away. I don't agree with putting the burden on her kids. Brooke was barely speaking to her, her son is all kinds of messed up, and poor Kimberly is in college, and seems to have taken the brunt of Kim for too long. Looks like all of them have taken a tough love approach - well, except for Monty and he can't do anything legally. 4 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/825-kim-richards-no-escape-from-witch-mountain/page/102/#findComment-1386982
cooksdelight August 5, 2015 Share August 5, 2015 Entertainment Tonight ran some of an interview they did with Kim after the earlier arrest, where she admits to slipping now and then and having a drink. I think it's a lot more than once in a while, however, from what has been shown on TV. They showed the Target store, the surveillance cameras, with Monty saying the same old mantra, it was an alcohol-related incident. No one official is talking right now, and she's to make a court appearance in August. That was about the gist of it, but those cameras see everything and I bet Kim's attorney will try to keep them off the air. They are evidence now, so not sure how Calif. law handles that. 6 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/825-kim-richards-no-escape-from-witch-mountain/page/102/#findComment-1386983
Morbs August 5, 2015 Share August 5, 2015 You guys need to stop shoplift shaming Kim! ;) 13 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/825-kim-richards-no-escape-from-witch-mountain/page/102/#findComment-1387005
WireWrap August 5, 2015 Share August 5, 2015 But having psychological issues and being mentally incompetent are two very different things. I think there's a pretty strict threshold to meet in order to be declared mentally incompetent (think Britney Spears), and I don't think Kim meets it, even with her arrests. When Kim is "loving her sobriety," ie. sober for at least a day or even a few hours, she can pull herself together and conduct an interview for ET. I think the only thing her kids should do at this point (and Kathy, and everyone else in her life) is tell her that she has to go to an out-of-state rehab facility for six months minimum and take it seriously, and if she leaves even one day short, or against the center's advice, then they're done with her. They have to mean it, and they have to back it up, as hard as that would be. Yes, I've seen many episodes of Intervention, why do you ask?! The problem is, Kim has said she was going to do a 90 day rehab the last 2 times she was in, including this last round, but she checks out after 30 days every time. She has refused to go out of state for rehab, Dr Phil, even though all her kids cosigned with her going as well as her sisters. I don't think Kim will voluntarily go and stick with any rehab program. Hell, I even doubt if they force her she will stick it out either. I also don't think her kids will shut her out and stick with any threat to walk away from her. IMO, she is hell bent on killing herself and causing as much pain to those she "claims" to love in the process. Entertainment Tonight ran some of an interview they did with Kim after the earlier arrest, where she admits to slipping now and then and having a drink. I think it's a lot more than once in a while, however, from what has been shown on TV. They showed the Target store, the surveillance cameras, with Monty saying the same old mantra, it was an alcohol-related incident. No one official is talking right now, and she's to make a court appearance in August. That was about the gist of it, but those cameras see everything and I bet Kim's attorney will try to keep them off the air. They are evidence now, so not sure how Calif. law handles that. Her case, when she kicked the police officer, was postponed until later this month and they were trying to work out a plea deal but I think that ship has now not only passed but has been sunk! 4 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/825-kim-richards-no-escape-from-witch-mountain/page/102/#findComment-1387014
LotusFlower August 5, 2015 Share August 5, 2015 The problem is, Kim has said she was going to do a 90 day rehab the last 2 times she was in, including this last round, but she checks out after 30 days every time. She has refused to go out of state for rehab, Dr Phil, even though all her kids cosigned with her going as well as her sisters. I don't think Kim will voluntarily go and stick with any rehab program. Hell, I even doubt if they force her she will stick it out either. Right. Then that's where the ultimatum part comes into play. It's not about accommodating Kim - in-state, Malibu, luxe, 30 days (flexible!), etc... We see where that got her. Tough love is about Kim meeting their demands, not the other way around, and if she doesn't - they need to cut off contact and maintain their bottom lines. It's not all about Kim. They deserve a life, too. One free of this constant stress and worry and bullshit. 7 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/825-kim-richards-no-escape-from-witch-mountain/page/102/#findComment-1387069
SwordQueen August 5, 2015 Share August 5, 2015 Right. Then that's where the ultimatum part comes into play. It's not about accommodating Kim - in-state, Malibu, luxe, 30 days (flexible!), etc... We see where that got her. Tough love is about Kim meeting their demands, not the other way around, and if she doesn't - they need to cut off contact and maintain their bottom lines. It's not all about Kim. They deserve a life, too. One free of this constant stress and worry and bullshit. I don't see her willingly doing anything, at this point, and I feel like she needs to see some jail time. Rehab doesn't mean anything to her and unless she qualifies for involuntary committal, she has the right to not seek medical help. Her family could try the "If you don't do this, then this will happen." routine, but I suspect it's old hat at this point and beyond pointless to keep re-engaging her with it. They might have to cut go ahead and cut her off, without the ultimatums and without giving any reasons, and let her sort it all out and decide what her life will be about. 10 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/825-kim-richards-no-escape-from-witch-mountain/page/102/#findComment-1387127
chlban August 5, 2015 Share August 5, 2015 Monty's comments make me angry. There is always an excuse. It is never Kim's fault. No wonder she feels so entitled. Maybe not nut it sure seems she is circling the drain. Apparently, Kim hasn't hit rock bottom yet. 2 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/825-kim-richards-no-escape-from-witch-mountain/page/102/#findComment-1387157
Found A Peanut August 5, 2015 Share August 5, 2015 Hey, wasn't yesterday, Monday, Brooke's wedding anniversary? So, Kim got arrested Sunday and was in jail for Brooke's anniversary. SO fucked up. And this is after all the heartwarming memory making at Brooke's Cabo wedding. Kim is all about her kids, y'all. 7 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/825-kim-richards-no-escape-from-witch-mountain/page/102/#findComment-1387204
HunterHunted August 5, 2015 Share August 5, 2015 I don't see her willingly doing anything, at this point, and I feel like she needs to see some jail time. Rehab doesn't mean anything to her and unless she qualifies for involuntary committal, she has the right to not seek medical help. Her family could try the "If you don't do this, then this will happen." routine, but I suspect it's old hat at this point and beyond pointless to keep re-engaging her with it. They might have to cut go ahead and cut her off, without the ultimatums and without giving any reasons, and let her sort it all out and decide what her life will be about. Someone needs to court order Kim into rehab, order periodic drug testing for when she completes rehab, and a breathalyzer to start her car. She's not capable of staying sober on her own and her family is not capable of holding her accountable. My coworker and I were joking that the toys were for all of the Mexican kids she met after the wedding when she was on her own. 7 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/825-kim-richards-no-escape-from-witch-mountain/page/102/#findComment-1387254
The Mighty Peanut August 5, 2015 Share August 5, 2015 (edited) I get why people want Kim to take accountability but at this point (IMO) it doesn't matter if she is sorry for her actions or truly doesn't give a single fuck. She's essentially a very well-heeled dead woman walking. No 50-something who is happy and/or in her right mind shoplifts or assaults police officers. If hitting rock bottom is necessary for her to recover, fine. I feel it's a shame/punishment-based philosophy, but maybe it works. It just seems from an outside perspective that traditional rehab doesn't work for Kim. I sort of feel like telling her to embrace the steps is like telling a schizophrenic person to stop hearing voices. She's so far gone. I think an Amanda Bynes/Britney Spears-style long term involuntary commitment might be her best shot. Another possibility for why this happened -- this is neither defense nor condemnation, and IMO she probably WAS drunk -- is that people recovering from addiction are more prone to poor impulse control because their brains are still trying to compensate for the lack of a chemical high. Compulsive exercise, shoplifting, becoming fanatical about a religion or cause are all relatively common. Self-sabotage is also extremely common. Oops, I fucked up, I'm ashamed, I'll never be ok, I might as well drink. Edited August 5, 2015 by The Mighty Peanut 6 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/825-kim-richards-no-escape-from-witch-mountain/page/102/#findComment-1387286
Found A Peanut August 5, 2015 Share August 5, 2015 I get why people want Kim to take accountability but at this point (IMO) it doesn't matter if she is sorry for her actions or doesn't give a fuck. She's essentially a very well-heeled dead woman walking. No 50-something who is happy and/or in her right mind shoplifts or assaults police officers. If hitting rock bottom is necessary for her to recover, fine. I feel it's a shame/punishment-based philosophy, but maybe it works. It just seems from an outside perspective that traditional rehab doesn't work for Kim. I sort of feel like telling her to embrace the steps is like telling a schizophrenic person to stop hearing voices. She's so far gone. I think an Amanda Bynes/Britney Spears-style long term involuntary commitment might be her best shot. Another possibility for why this happened -- this is neither defense nor condemnation, and IMO she probably WAS drunk -- is that people recovering from addiction are more prone to poor impulse control because their brains are still trying to compensate for the lack of a chemical high. Compulsive exercise, shoplifting, becoming fanatical about a religion or cause are all relatively common. Self-sabotage is also extremely common. Oops, I fucked up, I'm ashamed, I'll never be ok, I might as well drink. Speaking seriously here, maybe Kim hasn't ever tried traditional rehab in the sense of choosing to enter rehab and fully committing to the process of getting clean and sober. It seems to me - if this makes any sense - that she only ever stays long enough for a brief, physical detox, but not long enough for her head to start to clear and her brain to begin to reset. Rehab just seems to be a way for Kim to give her body some recovery time. At this point, I'm rooting for a Robert Downey, Jr. special, i.e., serious jail time. Maybe it would save her life. 10 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/825-kim-richards-no-escape-from-witch-mountain/page/102/#findComment-1387383
SwordQueen August 5, 2015 Share August 5, 2015 Someone needs to court order Kim into rehab, order periodic drug testing for when she completes rehab, and a breathalyzer to start her car. She's not capable of staying sober on her own and her family is not capable of holding her accountable. My coworker and I were joking that the toys were for all of the Mexican kids she met after the wedding when she was on her own. Agree. The law really needs to step in at this point, imo. It's supposed to be neutral, unlike families, who often feel too much pressure and guilt to administer consequences. Unfortunately though, in-car breathalyzers don't really do anything to prevent drunks from being able to drive. When I worked for a towing company many years ago, I was shocked by the number of cars we'd tow in from police calls that already had breathalyzers installed in them -- and the car owners were pulled over for drunk driving for the 2nd, 5th, 10th, 15th time. I get why people want Kim to take accountability but at this point (IMO) it doesn't matter if she is sorry for her actions or doesn't give a fuck. She's essentially a very well-heeled dead woman walking. No 50-something who is happy and/or in her right mind shoplifts or assaults police officers. If hitting rock bottom is necessary for her to recover, fine. I feel it's a shame/punishment-based philosophy, but maybe it works. It just seems from an outside perspective that traditional rehab doesn't work for Kim. I sort of feel like telling her to embrace the steps is like telling a schizophrenic person to stop hearing voices. She's so far gone. I think an Amanda Bynes/Britney Spears-style long term involuntary commitment might be her best shot. Another possibility for why this happened -- this is neither defense nor condemnation, and IMO she probably WAS drunk -- is that people recovering from addiction are more prone to poor impulse control because their brains are still trying to compensate for the lack of a chemical high. Compulsive exercise, shoplifting, becoming fanatical about a religion or cause are all relatively common. Self-sabotage is also extremely common. Oops, I fucked up, I'm ashamed, I'll never be ok, I might as well drink. I wonder if her tune will change when faced with being charged for the shoplifting and assault with regards to her sobriety. When it comes to voluntarily going to rehab and committing to a program, she's "100% sober" and loving her life and doesn't need help, thankyouverymuch. It would interesting to see if she doesn't just throw herself on the mercy of the court and use being a troubled off-the-wagon addict in order to receive leniency. Too sober to go to rehab, too happy with life to go to therapy, yet too troubled and victimized to go to jail. Poor poodle, indeed. 4 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/825-kim-richards-no-escape-from-witch-mountain/page/102/#findComment-1387409
rustyspigot August 5, 2015 Share August 5, 2015 Kim Richards gets arrested for shoplifting toys from Target. It's like filling in a page of Mad Libs. 21 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/825-kim-richards-no-escape-from-witch-mountain/page/102/#findComment-1387517
Giselle August 5, 2015 Share August 5, 2015 Wow E has a whole new take on what's going on. http://www.eonline.com/news/683283/inside-kim-richards-difficult-reality-before-her-shoplifting-arrest?cmpid=rss-000000-rssfeed-365-topstories&utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter&utm_campaign=rss_topstories This says she isn't speaking to her sisters - meaning both of them. And if it's true about her car, she probably was using Brooke's car while she's away. I don't agree with putting the burden on her kids. Brooke was barely speaking to her, her son is all kinds of messed up, and poor Kimberly is in college, and seems to have taken the brunt of Kim for too long. Looks like all of them have taken a tough love approach - well, except for Monty and he can't do anything legally. Monty wont do anything to really help Kim, he never has and can't now. All he does is enable her and feed her ego with BS affirmations to prop up her kingdom that exists in her mind. 7 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/825-kim-richards-no-escape-from-witch-mountain/page/102/#findComment-1387736
GreatKazu August 5, 2015 Share August 5, 2015 LOL I was waiting for this. Thanks! How about a photo with a bulls eye on Kim's forehead? What about on her back as she jumped over that cement block when she met up with Lisa R? 5 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/825-kim-richards-no-escape-from-witch-mountain/page/102/#findComment-1387803
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