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On 6/2/2017 at 6:33 PM, TwirlyGirly said:

THANK YOU.

Allow me to add one more little fact. It is incorrect for people to assume a person who has a disability and uses a wheelchair for mobility is more disabled and less independent than a person who walks. As a matter of fact, I'd wager there are many PWD's (people with disabilities) who walk not because it is easier for them and allows them more independence, but because of the perception so many able-bodied folk that those who use wheelchairs are helpless and dependent on others.

I use a manual wheelchair full-time for mobility. I've lived independently my entire adult life. I do not now, nor have I ever - had an aide or attendant. I drive (a VW Beetle Convertible). I do all my own shopping, cook from scratch, and do all my own housekeeping, financial management, etc. I worked full-time for a major commercial airline for 22 years. So yes, up until I was involved in a hit-and-run accident many years ago (which didn't cause my disability - I've been disabled since birth - but it certainly made things worse), I was financially independent as well.

I also raised my daughter (she just turned 21!) entirely on my own (no financial or physical help). And lest anyone think my daughter was responsible for caring for me while she was growing up - she is likewise disabled, and also uses a wheelchair for mobility. She's in college now, and plans to be an epidemiologist.

Definitely agree. That is a common misconception. My husband is a professor in a wheelchair, I've known two doctors who were wheelchair users, a coworker who is a social worker and foster parent and wheelchair user, and a therapist who is a wheelchair user. All of them are certainly less "limited/confined" and physically and mentally healthier than Leah (and a lot of people). Ali would not care about it, at least not very deeply, if she was not being fed such toxic messages. 

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On 6/2/2017 at 6:13 PM, GreatKazu said:

How about pets? Who is the worst? Does Amber beat Jenelle in that department? 

Man, that is a tough one. They're all pretty bad (save Chelsea, who seems to actually keep her pets and dotes on them). Leah lets her kids do God knows what to the pets, in addition to drawing all over them with marker. Amber and Matt totally ignore their pets and let them destroy their homes. But nothing can top the firework incident with Jenelle, IMO. She is just vile. 

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8 minutes ago, ghoulina said:

Man, that is a tough one. They're all pretty bad (save Chelsea, who seems to actually keep her pets and dotes on them). Leah lets her kids do God knows what to the pets, in addition to drawing all over them with marker. Amber and Matt totally ignore their pets and let them destroy their homes. But nothing can top the firework incident with Jenelle, IMO. She is just vile. 

Oh Jesus, I forgot about the firework incident. Maybe I put it out of my mind because it was so horrific. They say that anyone that harms animals is capable of harming anyone. Jenelle sure proves that. 

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On 6/2/2017 at 6:13 PM, GreatKazu said:

 

How about pets? Who is the worst? Does Amber beat Jenelle in that department? 

I say yes because Jenelle only has dogs right?  Amber I think has dogs and cats?  But it's neck and neck.

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I read on the Amber thread, but forgot to comment on it, posted information about one of Amber's dogs being given to someone else. That person who received the dog posted on Twitter that the dog had a knee injury. I need to go back and check that out. I had forgotten all about it, but @BitterApple reminded me of it when I read her post about Jenelle's dog's tail injury. 

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 My cold dark heart has actually softened somewhat towards Leah. IMO - she's generally a decent person (albeit not that bright) who happened to be born in an area with limited opportunities and to a family that likely didn't place much value on education. Compared to Jenelle and Kailyn who just seem to be narcissistic despicable human beings (schoolin' ain't gonna help them).

She really doesn't seem high (or - um "cough" anxiety crippled/narcoleptic) anymore (for now). Just generally misguided (self or otherwise). I just don't think she has the intellectual capacity to understand what's likely best for Ali (see prestigious Specialist's advice). IMO she (and Cory - he seems to have more sense so I actually blame him more) believes in her heart that encouraging her to live as "normally" as possible for as long as Ali can is in Ali's best interests (i.e. - doesn't want her to feel left out or inadequate compared to her peers). My once again cold dark heart goes out to them. That must really suck to have the only known child with her particular form of MD - so they really don't know what the future holds and how quickly progressive it will be. 

Then of course - there was the ridiculous "Knapsackgate". So she understands enough to stir up nonsense drama...which unlike the rest of them (not you Chelsea) she does seem to understand is her "job".

I can't believe I'm leaving a long post semi-sticking up for Leah. Watch - y'all are right and she turns up pregnant again! I'd actually be surprised - I think she's at least smart enough to know she has more than she can handle now.

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50 minutes ago, druzy said:

Sorry if this was posted. CMT Music Awards

 

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She looks nice! A little over dressed for the event but she did put something together. That's a pretty color on her. 

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8 hours ago, BitterApple said:

In Jenelle's most recent Instagram post of her dogs, several people commented that the blue pit's tail looked broken and even her leg humpers were getting on her for not having him neutered. 

I literally cannot wrap my head around the idea that Jenelle has FANS! What is wrong with people?!

ETA: I thought this was Janelle's thread but I can't figure out how to move it on my phone. 

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16 hours ago, druzy said:

Sorry if this was posted. CMT Music Awards

 

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I love that dress. The color is gorgeous. I still think Leah's face looks older than 25, but she looks very pretty here. I love the style of dress, too, but you have to have a certain body type to pull it off. Leah's figure is perfect for the dress. Good job, Leah!

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On 2017-6-2 at 7:33 PM, TwirlyGirly said:

THANK YOU.

Allow me to add one more little fact. It is incorrect for people to assume a person who has a disability and uses a wheelchair for mobility is more disabled and less independent than a person who walks. As a matter of fact, I'd wager there are many PWD's (people with disabilities) who walk not because it is easier for them and allows them more independence, but because of the perception so many able-bodied folk that those who use wheelchairs are helpless and dependent on others.

I use a manual wheelchair full-time for mobility. I've lived independently my entire adult life. I do not now, nor have I ever - had an aide or attendant. I drive (a VW Beetle Convertible). I do all my own shopping, cook from scratch, and do all my own housekeeping, financial management, etc. I worked full-time for a major commercial airline for 22 years. So yes, up until I was involved in a hit-and-run accident many years ago (which didn't cause my disability - I've been disabled since birth - but it certainly made things worse), I was financially independent as well.

I also raised my daughter (she just turned 21!) entirely on my own (no financial or physical help). And lest anyone think my daughter was responsible for caring for me while she was growing up - she is likewise disabled, and also uses a wheelchair for mobility. She's in college now, and plans to be an epidemiologist.

And yet - if Leah (or any of the other Teen Moms we chat about here) and I were side-by-side, and someone who knew nothing about either one of us was asked "Which of these two women lives the most independently, and is least reliant on help from others in their everyday lives?" - which one of us would most people choose?

Walking is just a method to get someone from point "A" to point "B" - as is wheeling. It says nothing about what the person is capable of doing (or not capable of doing) once they get there. I'd like it very much if folks would stop making value judgments of people (here's looking at YOU, Leah) based solely on how that person moves through the world. It's meaningless.

THAT is what Leah should be teaching her children.

You sound like you are an amazing, strong woman! Good for you for doing all of it on your own:)

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7 hours ago, mittsigirl said:

You sound like you are an amazing, strong woman! Good for you for doing all of it on your own:)

Thank you. I appreciate that!

Honestly, the most difficult thing for me about having a disability is not the disability itself and the medical issues relating to it I have to deal with, but having to deal with the ignorance of other people.

I've been investigated by CPS/DFYS (two different states) twice - once when my daughter was four years old, and again when she was 15. I was not investigated due to charges of abuse; I was reported because people thought I couldn't possibly care for my daughter properly because of my disability (medical neglect).

Both times I was vindicated, but being investigated by CPS/DFYS is incredibly stressful (each investigation was six months long). It was especially stressful for me because at the time of the first investigation, I knew of a woman with a disability who had just had her child taken away by CPS in another state.

Because I worked full time for 22 years despite being disabled, when I finally left on permanent disability I became eligible to receive SSDI (60% of my former salary) and Medicare. All government and privately funded programs that offer services to people with disabilities use Medicaid income guidelines to determine eligibility for their programs/services. Because 60% of my former salary exceeded those guidelines, I was not then, nor am I now, eligible for any help beyond SSDI and Medicare. The problem with that is Medicaid covers far more (dental/vision/home adaptations/home health care, eligibility for reduced utility rates, etc) than Medicare does.

Because I worked, and 60% of my former salary exceeds Medicaid income guidelines, my daughter could not receive SSI (despite being disabled herself), or Medicaid.

I became so angry the second time I was investigated, I blew up at the case worker:

"If I was 21 years old, able-bodied, and came to you dragging along three children by three different 'baby daddies' - and pregnant with a fourth - you'd be throwing food stamps, Section 8 vouchers, Medicaid, and every other damn program at me to help me take care of my kids - despite the fact my having children I know I cannot care for proves me to be irresponsible. But I, a single mother with one child, who gave birth while still employed full time, who has lived independently my entire adult life - despite having a severe disability -  you, with absolutely no evidence my child is not being raised with the best of care other than your belief a parent with a disability can't care for a child - are investigating me?"

Crickets.

So yes, it pisses me off that teen moms who have multiple children they cannot afford have access to numerous programs designed to help them if they cannot care for their children - but a person with a disability who works and lives independently is assumed not to be able to parent and is denied assistance that might aid them in doing so, and instead often have their children removed from their care.

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On 6/10/2017 at 4:53 AM, TwirlyGirly said:

So yes, it pisses me off that teen moms who have multiple children they cannot afford have access to numerous programs designed to help them if they cannot care for their children - but a person with a disability who works and lives independently is assumed not to be able to parent and is denied assistance that might aid them in doing so, and instead often have their children removed from their care.

Not to get too far off topic, but it's a shitty ass system. I know a guy who's fiancee lost a leg in a car accident and she went through absolute hell trying to get disability, meanwhile my sister's neighbor is a lazy sack of shit who's been on disability for 20+ years for a phantom back injury that doesn't stop him from surfing  and lifting weights. It's like the people who need it most have to jump through hoops and sell their firstborn before they get approved while the scammers get rubber stamped every time. 

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On ‎6‎/‎12‎/‎2017 at 0:10 AM, BitterApple said:

Not to get too far off topic, but it's a shitty ass system. I know a guy who's fiancee lost a leg in a car accident and she went through absolute hell trying to get disability, meanwhile my sister's neighbor is a lazy sack of shit who's been on disability for 20+ years for a phantom back injury that doesn't stop him from surfing  and lifting weights. It's like the people who need it most have to jump through hoops and sell their firstborn before they get approved while the scammers get rubber stamped every time. 

You bring up a very good point.

Someone who receives SSDI and Medicare who doesn't NEED it can usually live quite nicely on those benefits, because they don't have a lot of disability-related expenses; just the normal day-to-day living expenses.

Folks like me, and my daughter, not only have the same living expenses everyone else has, but also a whole slew of both medical and non-medical disability-related expenses, too. Medicare typically pays 80% of medical expenses. That 20% Medicare does not cover adds up to a substantial amount of money for folks with severe disabilities, like me and my daughter. Then, add on to that all our NON-medical, disability-related expenses (home adaptations, clothing alterations, etc.) - PLUS having mobility impairments means we can't live just anywhere, can't drive just any car - our disabilities even affect our choices of furniture, cooking equipment, purchase of major appliances - the list goes on and on. I mean, it's not like we can choose to bicycle around town to save money, or live in a cheaper, third-floor walk-up to save on rent.

Nor can we take advantage of any of the popular short-term employment opportunities able-bodied people can (such as waiting tables, working at a fast-food restaurant) when faced with unexpected financial issues.

If Ali lives long enough to graduate from high school and to the age at which she would be entering the workforce, she'll discover it's not financially advantageous for her to work, unless she takes some low-paying job, earning less than the maximum allowed for her to receive SSI and Medicaid.

The reason most (it's around 97% or so) people with severe disabilities don't work has little to do with "accessibility," or being physically incapable of working; it's because earning a decent living ("decent" being defined as "earning enough to pay one's basic living expenses") prevents PWD's from taking advantage of programs that will provide/cover the expenses of all those other disability-related needs. 

I tell people, "People who have a severe disability can't afford to be middle-class. We either have to accept a low-paying job so we can keep/obtain benefits, or be making upwards of $100,000.00/year so we can afford to pay all of our daily living expenses and all our disability-related expenses ourselves. There isn't any middle ground."

I just wish I'd known this when I was still in high school, and making plans for my future. I would have made very different choices, believe me.*

*I probably would have gone to law school.

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26 minutes ago, TwirlyGirly said:

You bring up a very good point.

Someone who receives SSDI and Medicare who doesn't NEED it can usually live quite nicely on those benefits, because they don't have a lot of disability-related expenses; just the normal day-to-day living expenses.

Folks like me, and my daughter, not only have the same living expenses everyone else has, but also a whole slew of both medical and non-medical disability-related expenses, too. Medicare typically pays 80% of medical expenses. That 20% Medicare does not cover adds up to a substantial amount of money for folks with severe disabilities, like me and my daughter. Then, add on to that all our NON-medical, disability-related expenses (home adaptations, clothing alterations, etc.) - PLUS having mobility impairments means we can't live just anywhere, can't drive just any car - our disabilities even affect our choices of furniture, cooking equipment, purchase of major appliances - the list goes on and on. I mean, it's not like we can choose to bicycle around town to save money, or live in a cheaper, third-floor walk-up to save on rent.

Nor can we take advantage of any of the popular short-term employment opportunities able-bodied people can (such as waiting tables, working at a fast-food restaurant) when faced with unexpected financial issues.

If Ali lives long enough to graduate from high school and to the age at which she would be entering the workforce, she'll discover it's not financially advantageous for her to work, unless she takes some low-paying job, earning less than the maximum allowed for her to receive SSI and Medicaid.

The reason most (it's around 97% or so) people with severe disabilities don't work has little to do with "accessibility," or being physically incapable of working; it's because earning a decent living ("decent" being defined as "earning enough to pay one's basic living expenses"), it's because doing so prevents PWD's from taking advantage of programs that will provide/cover the expenses of all those other disability-related needs. 

I tell people, "People who have a severe disability can't afford to be middle-class. We either have to accept a low-paying job so we can keep/obtain benefits, or be making upwards of $100,000.00/year so we can afford to pay all of our daily living expenses and all our disability-related expenses ourselves. There isn't any middle ground."

I just wish I'd known this when I was still in high school, and making plans for my future. I would have made very different choices, believe me.*

*I probably would have gone to law school.

Interesting you say that. There was a woman in my law school class ahead of me that had muscular dystrophy, she had a service dog accompany her to class everyday. 

 

She is able to live quiet comfortably making 6figures due to her high paying career however 1. She had the IQ to graduate at the top of her class at one of the best law schools in the nation 2. She chose a career that would allow her to perform well with limited mobility 3. She had parents that supported her educational dreams etc with her disability. So yes, you need to make loads of money, or very little. 

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On 6/11/2017 at 11:50 PM, Mkay said:

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"Made it through" her obstacles? The obstacle of having a disabled child about whom she continues to ignore medical advice, thereby further endangering her child? The obstacle of being an uneducated, unemployed mother of three, who doesn't have a job and dropped out of college? This is going to be an extremely short book. Essentially it boils down to, "MTV decided that filming my atrocious life decisions was well worth $300K a year, which I still manage to piss away making poor decisions".

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I try not to get emotionally involved with these twits but can't CPS get involved? By ignoring the Doctors orders about using the wheelchair,she is intentionally harming her child! And I don't consider ignorance or praying an excuse!

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3 hours ago, hoosiermom said:

I try not to get emotionally involved with these twits but can't CPS get involved? By ignoring the Doctors orders about using the wheelchair,she is intentionally harming her child! And I don't consider ignorance or praying an excuse!

It is an ethical gray area.  Both parents are taking the child to appointments and both parents (and their kinfolk) chose to ignore the specialists recommendations.  Parents generally have the right to deny medical treatment recommendations and follow a treatment plan they believe is in the best interest of the child.  In the courts, it is a case-by-case issue - with landmark cases on both sides of the fight.  Leah and Corey both agree to (dangerously) pray the Muscular Dystrophy away.  If there were not in agreement, I'm sure one would call CPS on the other.  They are united in their ignorance.  Also, they are in a region where the courts would most likely support with their right to be ignorant.  She is running bases, y'all.  She can run a bike.  What does that top specialist in the country who does all the landmark research and treatment of MD know?

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6 minutes ago, CofCinci said:

It is an ethical gray area.  Both parents are taking the child to appointments and both parents (and their kinfolk) chose to ignore the specialists recommendations.  Parents generally have the right to deny medical treatment recommendations and follow a treatment plan they believe is in the best interest of the child.  In the courts, it is a case-by-case issue - with landmark cases on both sides of the fight.  Leah and Corey both agree to (dangerously) pray the Muscular Dystrophy away.  If there were not in agreement, I'm sure one would call CPS on the other.  They are united in their ignorance.  Also, they are in a region where the courts would most likely support with their right to be ignorant.  She is running bases, y'all.  She can run a bike.  What does that top specialist in the country who does all the landmark research and treatment of MD know?

Wonderful post. In my mind I knew all that but my heart still breaks for that child. I just desperately want someone to fix this!

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On 2017-6-13 at 6:22 AM, TwirlyGirly said:

You bring up a very good point.

Someone who receives SSDI and Medicare who doesn't NEED it can usually live quite nicely on those benefits, because they don't have a lot of disability-related expenses; just the normal day-to-day living expenses.

Folks like me, and my daughter, not only have the same living expenses everyone else has, but also a whole slew of both medical and non-medical disability-related expenses, too. Medicare typically pays 80% of medical expenses. That 20% Medicare does not cover adds up to a substantial amount of money for folks with severe disabilities, like me and my daughter. Then, add on to that all our NON-medical, disability-related expenses (home adaptations, clothing alterations, etc.) - PLUS having mobility impairments means we can't live just anywhere, can't drive just any car - our disabilities even affect our choices of furniture, cooking equipment, purchase of major appliances - the list goes on and on. I mean, it's not like we can choose to bicycle around town to save money, or live in a cheaper, third-floor walk-up to save on rent.

Nor can we take advantage of any of the popular short-term employment opportunities able-bodied people can (such as waiting tables, working at a fast-food restaurant) when faced with unexpected financial issues.

If Ali lives long enough to graduate from high school and to the age at which she would be entering the workforce, she'll discover it's not financially advantageous for her to work, unless she takes some low-paying job, earning less than the maximum allowed for her to receive SSI and Medicaid.

The reason most (it's around 97% or so) people with severe disabilities don't work has little to do with "accessibility," or being physically incapable of working; it's because earning a decent living ("decent" being defined as "earning enough to pay one's basic living expenses") prevents PWD's from taking advantage of programs that will provide/cover the expenses of all those other disability-related needs. 

I tell people, "People who have a severe disability can't afford to be middle-class. We either have to accept a low-paying job so we can keep/obtain benefits, or be making upwards of $100,000.00/year so we can afford to pay all of our daily living expenses and all our disability-related expenses ourselves. There isn't any middle ground."

I just wish I'd known this when I was still in high school, and making plans for my future. I would have made very different choices, believe me.*

*I probably would have gone to law school.

You sound like a super smart woman, you would have made an awesome lawyer.

You are an awesome woman!

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21 hours ago, Mkay said:

Who is brave enough to go ask how her first yr of college went? I can't handle her freaky fans. 

 

20 hours ago, Fosca said:

Easy--phrase it like this: "It's so great you're going back to college!  How did spring semester go?"  Humpers will never guess the incredibly sarcastic tone you actually mean.

You might also want to misspell "you're", just to blend in.

The second quote will allow you to fly under the radar of her rabid fans, but it won't give you answers from Leah.

 

Leah responds to 2 things: ass kissing from her fans, and (poorly) refuting insults made by her "haters". A well meaning, "how's school going?" question will be ignored by Leah, because she is loath to answer that she quit so soon after showing off her notebooks and glitter pens every day for a week. On the other hand, a "Wow, Leah, I knew you were a lazy moron but I thought you might at least make it ONE semester before dropping out, but I guess I was wrong. Did you even make it to Spring Break?" will get a furious (also misspelled and full of grammatical and punctuation errors) rant about how she's "so overwhelmed with her three girlses and her 'comferemce' calls and Ali's condition and she's doing her best and she already once drove herself to extreme exhaustion trying to do everything, and now she's learned to take life one day at a time and also whatever inspirational quote she has on her Hallmark calendar", plus a bunch of hashtags. At no point will she answer anything specific about her time in school, AND you'll have her legion of leghumpers on your ass.

 

So, all in all, there is no good way to rib Leah, even subtly, on her not so illustrious 3 weeks long college career.

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8 minutes ago, ghoulina said:

Maybe someone should track down Grandma Sandy's Facebook and ask HER. 

That's a pretty good idea, but you still must strike an incendiary tone in your email. Asking nicely, like you just genuinely want to know that Leah's doing well, will get you ignored or told to mind your own business. Yet, the Messer clan is very easily baited into responding if they think they are defending Leah's honor.

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9 minutes ago, Tatum said:

That's a pretty good idea, but you still must strike an incendiary tone in your email. Asking nicely, like you just genuinely want to know that Leah's doing well, will get you ignored or told to mind your own business. Yet, the Messer clan is very easily baited into responding if they think they are defending Leah's honor.

I think the key here would be to accuse her of SOMETHING else, along with the dropping out of school. Like, "I heard Leah quit school because she's back on drugs" or "pregnant again" - get Sandy/Mama Dawn/whomever to defend THAT part, and also give up what really happened with school. 

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On 6/15/2017 at 6:46 PM, CofCinci said:

She is running bases, y'all.  She can run a bike.  What does that top specialist in the country who does all the landmark research and treatment of MD know?

Sarcastic quote in context, I just clipped it for brevity

I wear glasses.  Without my glasses I can squint real hard and run bases, ride a bike, etc.  In the long run it would do more damage to strain my eyes, while my life is so much more enjoyable to use glasses as a tool for me to live.

Why is this so hard for them to get?  And why do I feel like the Messer clan would have called me "four eyes" in school?

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You know how they have kids' books and cartoons explaining difficult concepts like death, divorce, deployments, etc.? Maybe there'as one that explains MD. Leah, Corey and their respective clans could watch it and maybe understand then.Clearly direct instructions from a world-renowned specialist aren't working, but maybe an animated animal would.

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I'm still waiting for the truth to come out from the first scandal... when Corey and Leah got divorced. The first thing her family always shouts is "the truth will come out; you'll see" etc, but nothing ever came of it because the information we were getting was relatively accurate, it just made Leah look bad... so I guess I shouldn't be surprised their party line is nobody mentions school so maybe we'll all forget.

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On ‎6‎/‎16‎/‎2017 at 1:29 PM, ghoulina said:

I think the key here would be to accuse her of SOMETHING else, along with the dropping out of school. Like, "I heard Leah quit school because she's back on drugs" or "pregnant again" - get Sandy/Mama Dawn/whomever to defend THAT part, and also give up what really happened with school. 

That is so perfect! 

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19 hours ago, CofCinci said:

In the preview for the new season, she tells the Girlses that she's going to college. That lasted about two week, right?  Max of 6 notebook pages used for notes. 

My bet is several scenes of her talking to Corey and Jeremy about it, another scene of her talking to the girls about it, another scene of her talking to her mom about it., another scene of talking to Chasity about it, one scene of the first day, then never mentioned again.

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I talk a lot of crap about Leah, but I will say that she seemed very friendly and welcoming on that Briana special. I do think that out of all of them, she is the most genuine and least changed by fame. Even though she does all those MLM's and faces for her selfies, and seems to enjoy that aspect of the fame, I feel like what we see is her real personality. I can't really say that for any of the others. I think if I had to hang backstage with one of them, I would choose her. Even at the last reunion, I thought she looked high as hell, but stayed out of the drama while throwing low key shade at Jenelle. I don't think she is smart enough to invent a persona necessarily, and sometimes it's nice to be "what you see is what you get."

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