"The View": Week Of 10/8/2018

[PeterBrady]

11 minutes ago, merriebreeze said:

Tom Llamas chastising Yvette for bringing up Melania's likely status as a mistress herself was not cool at all. Just because she's FLOTUS now (as much as I hate it) doesn't mean her past disappears. Because I respect the office is why I don't respect the current occupant. 

In her past, Maya Angelou worked in the sex trade as a prostitute and madame for lesbians. Should we hold that against her?

[TheGreenKnight]

I don't know why I thought Jedilyingliarwholies and Raven were going to be on the same week. Oh, well. Interesting to see Sunny moderating. The show felt unmoored with both Joy and Whoopi absent. YNB was fantastic though, especially her comment about Melania. I'm guessing the reporter only made that statement about respecting the First Lady to cover himself from being attacked. Well, that and if ABC actually wants people to tune in, the person interviewed needs to be viewed as likeable and/or interesting--neither of which Melania qualifies as.

Anyone else find it unbelievable that McCain went on some spiel about not wanting to use her grief as a crutch and an excuse for bad behavior like Kanye? That's exactly what she has been doing for the past year. Take your own advice and STFU.

2 hours ago, PeterBrady said:

In her past, Maya Angelou worked in the sex trade as a prostitute and madame for lesbians. Should we hold that against her?

AFAIK, Maya Angelou was never the First Lady.

Edited October 12, 2018 by TheGreenKnight

[ari333]

The show seemed lost without Joy and (i hate to say it ) Whoopi. LOVE YNB

[DkNNy79]

8 minutes ago, PeterBrady said:

In her past, Maya Angelou worked in the sex trade as a prostitute and madame for lesbians. Should we hold that against her?

That's an eye opener.  Won't ever look at her the same way anymore. 

[General Days]

I missed the first half hour and didn't record it once I did tune in, so I missed stuff.

30 minutes ago, Alexis2291 said:

Damn, YNB went there with her question about Melania perhaps not caring about Trump's alleged extramarital affairs because she was also his mistress! Yikes! LOL! 

 

 

24 minutes ago, Bronzedog said:

I'm going to miss YNB so much.

 

Agreed.  

DEAR ABC: Please do whatever you need to do to make Yvette Nicole Brown a co-host, even if she'll only do part-time. Give her a sitcom or something to grease the skids. She was out there, last year, promoting The Mayor, trying to get people to watch a show you didn't think all the way through and didn't develop properly. She's smart, insightful, and has just the right bite for this show. Joy will leave sooner, rather than later. You need to groom someone to fill her shoes. YNB is the one.

 

22 minutes ago, CheezyXpressed said:

When she first said it, he just kept silent so Abby switched the question up for him to answer. Then he addressed it at the end by scolding everyone that they need to respect the first lady.

It was just awkward.

 

I couldn't rewind, because I was already out of buffer, but I thought YNB said something like "I don't respect her," or "She doesn't have my respect," or similar. Did anyone else hear what I heard (or something like it)? 

 

3 minutes ago, TheGreenKnight said:

I don't know why I thought Jedilyingliarwholies and Raven were going to be on the same week. Oh, well. Interesting to see Sunny moderating. The show felt unmoored with both Joy and Whoopi absent. YNB was fantastic though, especially her comment about Melania. I'm guessing the reporter only made that statement about respecting the First Lady to cover himself from being attacked. Well, that and ABC actually wants people to tune in, the person interviewed needs to be viewed as likeable and/or interesting--neither of which Melania qualifies as.

 

I thought I saw here yesterday that Jed was going to be on today. Joy is the best moderator they have. I say that, because I don't notice her moderation much. Whoopi's really awkward about it. Sunny doesn't have the confidence (yet, she might get there if the role was truly hers). 

I thought the reporter choked up at the end, when he said Melania deserves our respect. Bull. She's a birther. She's a hypocrite (her parents are here due to "chain migration," and her own immigration history is spotty). She's married to the world's biggest bully, yet says she's the biggest bullying victim in the world. She doesn't even deserve my notice, never mind my respect. 

I can't help but feel like he took the liberty of lecturing like that because the panel is female and The View's audience is primarily female (I know it's not only female). Screw that, and screw him. 

[ari333]

Why did that Llamas dude sound like he was about to cry at the end  about respecting what's her name? GACK

[suomi]

MM said today is her 48th day of grief and it's the same as counting how many days someone's been in sobriety. Oh FFS ... let's hope she got a 30-day chip. You just know that she longs to attend meetings where people clap for her after she raises her hand and says "My name is Meghan, and I'm an orphan. I've been grieving for ___ days."

Ooh, 90 in 90, grrl, keep coming back!

[General Days]

11 minutes ago, PeterBrady said:

In her past, Maya Angelou worked in the sex trade as a prostitute and madame for lesbians. Should we hold that against her?

 

Just now, DkNNy79 said:

That's an eye opener.  Won't ever look at her the same way anymore. 

 

You should read her books, particularly I Know Why the Caged Bird Sings. 

It's not just that people who know about her past don't hold Maya Angelou's history against her, it's that we understand how her past informed the rest of her life, including her storied literary career and how she fought for others. 

I'm not saying what I think needs to be said about the first comment I quoted above. Suffice it to say that based on today's segment on The View, regarding the upcoming Melania Trump interview on ABC, to me, that comparison is slyly inept. 

 

4 minutes ago, suomi said:

MM said today is her 48th day of grief and it's the same as counting how many days someone's been in sobriety. Oh FFS ... let's hope she got a 30-day chip. You just know that she longs to attend meetings where people clap for her after she raises her hand and says "My name is Meghan, and I'm an orphan. I've been grieving for ___ days."

Ooh, 90 in 90, grrl, keep coming back!

 

I didn't see the segment, but based on the above, in my experience, Meghan is right about this. Earlier this week (yesterday, I think) she also said that we (as a society) don't talk about the subject of grief enough.

I hate her politics. I hate how she discusses politics. I wish she would leave The View, but I don't think she's being inauthentic about her loss. I do think she is trying to bring that perspective to the table, because it's something we often don't talk about. For all of the lip-service we pay to mental health issues, our culture doesn't do death well and doesn't deal well with grieving people. If Meghan can make a positive difference on that front, while I have to endure her presence on The View, then I hope she does. 

[PeterBrady]

29 minutes ago, TheGreenKnight said:

I don't know why I thought Jedilyingliarwholies and Raven were going to be on the same week. Oh, well. Interesting to see Sunny moderating. The show felt unmoored with both Joy and Whoopi absent. YNB was fantastic though, especially her comment about Melania. I'm guessing the reporter only made that statement about respecting the First Lady to cover himself from being attacked. Well, that and if ABC actually wants people to tune in, the person interviewed needs to be viewed as likeable and/or interesting--neither of which Melania qualifies as.

Anyone else find it unbelievable that McCain went on some spiel about not wanting to use her grief as a crutch and an excuse for bad behavior like Kanye? That's exactly what she has been doing for the past year. Take your own advice and STFU.

AFAIK, Maya Angelou was never the First Lady.

Maya Angelou is a well regarded woman that I am sure most people would have respected as a First Lady or President.

[suomi]

18 minutes ago, DkNNy79 said:

That's an eye opener.  Won't ever look at her the same way anymore. 

She examined it in her second book called Gather In My Name.

http://titsandsass.com/the-erasure-of-maya-angelou/

[merriebreeze]

Already a response from Melania's spokesperson:

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Day 2 of attacks from

@TheView

.

@YNB

check your facts before you accuse someone of being a mistress. She’s your

@FLOTUS

- she deserves your respect & certainly not your lies. Disgusting. #disrespectful #accusation #LiberalMedia

@TomLlamasABC

@ABCWorldNews

Edited October 12, 2018 by merriebreeze

[blondiec0332]

25 minutes ago, General Days said:

I can't help but feel like he took the liberty of lecturing like that because the panel is female and The View's audience is primarily female (I know it's not only female). Screw that, and screw him. 

He was mansplaining.

[maggiemae]

Good grief^^^^

[After7Only]

38 minutes ago, PeterBrady said:

In her past, Maya Angelou worked in the sex trade as a prostitute and madame for lesbians. Should we hold that against her?

I believe she discusses that part of her life in great detail in her books.  So I'd first read those for context before judging her .   However, if Ms. Angelou hid that information from the world, but then proceeded to present herself to the world as pious woman or took up a platform against sex workers or sexual freedom, then yes, we should hold her past against her.    Ms. Angelou shared a good part of her life the good and bad, to show how people can persevere and rise above their past.    

I need Yvette to become a permanent guest host (if that such a thing).  Like everytime someone goes on vacay she gets first dibs on guest hosting.  

I'm no MM fan at all,  But the grief stuff doesn't really bother me.....yet.  It's still new, and it's her first week back to work.   Now if she's still mentioning her grief daily 3-6 months from now, hopefully her  "friends" at the show would tell her take a break and get more counseling 

Edited October 12, 2018 by After7Only

[TheGreenKnight]

2 hours ago, PeterBrady said:

Maya Angelou is a well regarded woman that I am sure most people would have respected as a First Lady or President.

The point is, the poster you responded to was talking about the disgrace to the dignity of the office in regards to Melania. That's not the same as any regular person with a bad history that they overcame.

[General Days]

7 minutes ago, merriebreeze said:

Already a response from Melania's spokesperson:

 

What's the spokesperson's account? I want to see it. Can you please give a link?

[merriebreeze]

I just hope the suits don't demand that YNB issue an apology. That would be wrong on so many levels.

[Former Nun]

11 minutes ago, PeterBrady said:

Maya Angelou is a well regarded woman that I am sure most people would have respected as a First Lady or President.

Just as most people respect Mrs. Trump.   One's background, no matter how salacious or holy, will always be fodder for publication/discussions when the person becomes a public figure.  Nothing remains secret or sacred.

[blondiec0332]

2 minutes ago, merriebreeze said:

I just hope the suits don't demand that YNB issue an apology. That would be wrong on so many levels.

It is a well known fact Trump was still married to Marla when he began seeing Melania.  So yes she was his mistress.  YNB made an accurate statement.  And far as respect goes, you can't force someone to respect someone.  

[merriebreeze]

"What's the spokesperson's account? I want to see it. Can you please give a link?"

 

Sure, it's @StephGrisham45

Mediaite has an article about today's exchange and the WH response

[suomi]

5 minutes ago, General Days said:

I didn't see the segment, but based on the above, in my experience, Meghan is right about this. Earlier this week (yesterday, I think) she also said that we (as a society) don't talk about the subject of grief enough.

I hate her politics. I hate how she discusses politics. I wish she would leave The View, but I don't think she's being inauthentic about her loss. I do think she is trying to bring that perspective to the table, because it's something we often don't talk about. For all of the lip-service we pay to mental health issues, our culture doesn't do death well and doesn't deal well with grieving people. If Meghan can make a positive difference on that front, while I have to endure her presence on The View, then I hope she does. 

I admit that my slant is that I see her as an opportunist and a manipulator. Her insistence on being respected and revered for her loss is beyond unseemly. You raise valid points and I could agree if I had the slightest inkling that her incessant public grief is sincere (for lack of a better word) rather than yet another attempt to inflate her own importance while ramming herself down our throats, as if her loss is far superior to everyone else's. Ever. Because McCain! 

[Former Nun]

1 hour ago, Alexis2291 said:

I know she's still hurting but not everything is about her and her grief.

She's still the little girl who grew up believing everything IS about her.   It's sad and difficult to watch.

[Haleth]

21 minutes ago, merriebreeze said:

Already a response from Melania's spokesperson:

Oh, brother. Revisionist history. 

[General Days]

9 minutes ago, suomi said:

I admit that my slant is that I see her as an opportunist and a manipulator. Her insistence on being respected and revered for her loss is beyond unseemly. You raise valid points and I could agree if I had the slightest inkling that her incessant public grief is sincere (for lack of a better word) rather than yet another attempt to inflate her own importance while ramming herself down our throats, as if her loss is far superior to everyone else's. Ever. Because McCain! 

Well she's earned that (i.e. the reputation as an opportunist and manipulator) even just based on this past year on The View. On any given subject, the safe bet is that she started out setting aside intellectual honesty. I feel there is a need to change how we deal with grief, so I'm grateful it's being discussed so openly on The View, regardless of my other feelings about McCain. 

Edited October 12, 2018 by General Days

[pachebo]

I never thought this day would come! I spent most of Raven's tenure on the View bitching about her vapid shallow self-enforced immaturity ("in this business" was my favorite hate-phrase). So i was totally looking forward to reliving my hatred of her, BUT... instead i hang my head in shame and admit that she has (at least from that appearance) matured into a thoughful, self aware and smart woman.

[Former Nun]

On 10/9/2018 at 6:35 PM, maggiemae said:

MM is friends with Nikki Haley and would be thrilled to run her next campaign.

Let's ask Nikki.   Nikki, would you be equally thrilled?

[Apprentice79]

2 minutes ago, pachebo said:

I never thought this day would come! I spent most of Raven's tenure on the View bitching about her vapid shallow self-enforced immaturity ("in this business" was my favorite hate-phrase). So i was totally looking forward to reliving my hatred of her, BUT... instead i hang my head in shame and admit that she has (at least from that appearance) matured into a thoughful, self aware and smart woman.

She said that the View thought her a lot and I believed her.  She had enough self-awareness to say that she needs a script and a director in order to perform,

[ari333]

I thought raven was too much 

[Vanderboom]

Whether one should respect the office or the person holding it is debatable, but what was the lie told by YNB? Isn't pretty well established that Melania Trump dated Donald Trump while he was still married to Marla Maples? 

Meghan is clearly still processing her grief, which is understandable. There's no real expiration date on losing a loved one. However, Meghan's gonna Meghan no matter what and make everything about her personal story, whether it's Maggie Gyllenhaal's family, Kanye West, the military, or the lost city of Atlantis.

Edited October 12, 2018 by Vanderboom

[jumper sage]

1 hour ago, General Days said:

I can't help but feel like he took the liberty of lecturing like that because the panel is female and The View's audience is primarily female (I know it's not only female). Screw that, and screw him. 

Spot on!  A woman speaks and go to attack mode.

46 minutes ago, pachebo said:

I never thought this day would come! I spent most of Raven's tenure on the View bitching about her vapid shallow self-enforced immaturity ("in this business" was my favorite hate-phrase). So i was totally looking forward to reliving my hatred of her, BUT... instead i hang my head in shame and admit that she has (at least from that appearance) matured into a thoughful, self aware and smart woman.

Me too.  I always try to impart the idea of the right fit for the job and the right job for the fit with youngsters in the family.  The View was not a good fit but acting is a good fit for her.

43 minutes ago, Apprentice79 said:

She had enough self-awareness to say that she needs a script and a director in order to perform,

I liked that too.

[Former Nun]

On 10/10/2018 at 9:29 AM, General Days said:

Who had Day 3 in the pool?

General Days is on a roll these "days."

[GHScorpiosRule]

3 hours ago, Apprentice79 said:

What did the look convey? I thought they were friends.

Megan is just annoying.  She makes everything about her. 

Because the stupid show and executives made this possible. For her to be the MOST IMPORTANT and CENTER of this show.??????

3 hours ago, Alexis2291 said:

Damn, YNB went there with her question about Melania perhaps not caring about Trump's alleged extramarital affairs because she was also his mistress! Yikes! LOL! 

There is no “alleged” about his affairs. He was cheating on Ivana with Marla and cheated on Marla with Melania, along with others.???

1 hour ago, suomi said:

I admit that my slant is that I see her as an opportunist and a manipulator. Her insistence on being respected and revered for her loss is beyond unseemly. You raise valid points and I could agree if I had the slightest inkling that her incessant public grief is sincere (for lack of a better word) rather than yet another attempt to inflate her own importance while ramming herself down our throats, as if her loss is far superior to everyone else's. Ever. Because McCain! 

She is in her element-I’m certain executives assured her that this would be HER show. The fact that no one gets to push back and she gets away with all of her shit, is the proof for me.

[Former Nun]

On 10/10/2018 at 1:08 PM, Tammee said:

Someone missed a spot lol when he looked to his left it wasnt blended and it made him look gaunt, almost skeletal.

Looked like something similar happened to Raven when she was on.  Yvette rubbed Raven's cheek a few times during the segment and eventually...blended!

[Orillia]

2 hours ago, suomi said:

MM said today is her 48th day of grief

And it's our 5th day of being reminded. I'm beginning to sense a trend here.

[blondiec0332]

36 minutes ago, GHScorpiosRule said:

She is in her element-I’m certain executives assured her that this would be HER show. The fact that no one gets to push back and she gets away with all of her shit, is the proof for me.

I would absolutely believe TPTB told Meghan the View in it's current form is going to be dead soon and we would love to have you have you on as a cohost and then transition to your own show.   Wasn't Meghan Kelly brought over to NBC as part of the Today show before her own talk show?  

Solo host daytime talk shows are tough.  You have to be likable first of all and second of all you have to be quick on your feet.  Neither of which describes Meghan.

[merriebreeze]

@YNB responds to Stephanie Grisham, Melania's spokesperson:

Quote

 I stand by every word I said. My mom taught me that respect is earned. And thankfully we live in a nation--at least for now--where I don't have to   bow down to dear leader or his third wife. And come for ME, @StephGrisham45, not @TheView.

 The views were MINE.

 I own them.

Feisty! I like it. 

Edited October 12, 2018 by merriebreeze

[ChicagoCita]

No one's life experiences should be either held against them, or whitewashed out of existence.

I have Trumpsters as friends on Facebook, and they are always saying how nice it is to "finally" have a classy First Lady (racist much?) Every time I see that, I think of the photos of Melania half-nekkid on a train platform, holding a sniper rifle.

And the implication that a white softcore model is better than a black Harvard-educated lawyer who had the audacity to dance publicly and show off her fabulous arms.

Edited October 12, 2018 by ChicagoCita

[CynicalGirl]

When I think of the word "classy", Melania Trump never comes to mind. 

[blondiec0332]

Did I hear Meghan correctly when she was talking about having support for her grief.  Did she just say her in-laws and therapists?  Not her mother or siblings?

[Bronzedog]

3 hours ago, merriebreeze said:

I just hope the suits don't demand that YNB issue an apology. That would be wrong on so many levels.

I think the suits would be shooting themselves in the foot because I think YNB would probably just never appear on the show again.  JMO, of course, but, I really don't see her agreeing to apologize.

[Haleth]

Nor should she. You go, girl.

[Silver Raven]

13 minutes ago, blondiec0332 said:

Did I hear Meghan correctly when she was talking about having support for her grief.  Did she just say her in-laws and therapists?  Not her mother or siblings?

Or husband?

[General Days]

Oh wow. Now I want YNB more than ever.

10 minutes ago, blondiec0332 said:

Did I hear Meghan correctly when she was talking about having support for her grief.  Did she just say her in-laws and therapists?  Not her mother or siblings?

Her mother and siblings are grieving too. I doubt she meant anything against her family on that one.

One thing I did notice earlier in the week though, when talking about her family, is that she said, "my brothers and sister," or "my sister and brothers." I don't remember the context, but I do remember the lack of a plural.

In addition to her younger sister, Meghan has an older half-sister from John's first marriage (as well as his first wife's bio sons, whom John adopted). It was pretty clear she was only counting John and Cindy's kids in [whatever it was she said].

[Tammee]

I love YNB!  Closing out the week with some shaaaaaaaaaade!  I couldnt make out what she said, but got the gist.  Im sorry Tom. I know its your story, and you were gallant not to say the pserons name when issueing his complaint upon leaving.  He just said 'someone at this table'.  Something tells me 2 people wont be back. 1 i am really bummed about if it comes to be (YNB).  Maybe we will get away with just a blue card canned stmt from Whoopi on Monday and that will be the end of it.  I think the sooner they have YNB back the better

[Jpxfactor]

What a bunch of nasty women.. Brown has a huge chip...maybe they all jelly of Melania...she has class

[Morgalisa]

I dont like First Ladies who pose nude. I prefer First Ladies who dont pose nude.

@ChicagoCita I see the same comments on FB about Melania having class. I have to just shake my head. It doesnt make sense.  A mistress who posed in softcore porn pics. Wow.

ETA:  BTW, she is getting dragged on Twitter.

Edited October 12, 2018 by Morgalisa
Added para

[atlantaloves]

and while we are hating on the Grief Junkie RBM, can I just say SHE REALLY REALLY REALLY LOVES HER NEW HAIR...she can't keep stroking it. God I screamed just like old times for her to shut up about her loss, her grief, her father, blaugh blaugh blaugh. Like many of you have said,, hell he lived into his 80's that is more than many of us here have had. God I hate her guts.  Yes, things are back to normal. 

[Former Nun]

26 minutes ago, Morgalisa said:

I dont like First Ladies who pose nude. I prefer First Ladies who dont pose nude.

First Ladies should probably NOT pose nude.   I don't mind what Melania did before she did Donald Trump--and long before she was a First Lady.  I just don't want her or her husband to degrade women who have jobs that are legal in America and not that different from what Melania did as a single female.  Mum's the word, Mr. President and Mrs. Trump.

[Morgalisa]

1 minute ago, Former Nun said:

First Ladies should probably NOT pose nude.   I don't mind what Melania did before she did Donald Trump--and long before she was a First Lady.  I just don't want her or her husband to degrade women who have jobs that are legal in America and not that different from what Melania did as a single female.  Mum's the word, Mr. President and Mrs. Trump.

It's the hypocrisy that is offensive.

YNB responded to my tweet asking her not to apologize. Is it off topic to post it here? 

[General Days]

36 minutes ago, Morgalisa said:

I dont like First Ladies who pose nude. I prefer First Ladies who dont pose nude.

@ChicagoCita I see the same comments on FB about Melania having class. I have to just shake my head. It doesnt make sense.  A mistress who posed in softcore porn pics. Wow.

ETA:  BTW, she is getting dragged on Twitter.

Is YNB getting dragged on Twitter for what she said on the show, or is the spokesperson getting dragged for attacking what YNB said on the show?

(Knowing the internet, the answer to this is actually "both" but which did you mean, Morgalisa?)