Something Unexpected: Seasons 1 and 2 Discussion

[gonecrackers]

She could've at least waited until they moved out. And what's wrong with Caelen that he can't at least wrap it up?  McKayla would've probably been more careful if she didn't have Grandpa & Grandma as safety nets.

[Soup333]

9 hours ago, ShaNaeNae said:

And now McKayla is pregnant with #2.  Someone had a screencap of her FB bio saying #2 EDD 2019.  I can't with this bitch.  I'll tell you, I'd have never come home with baby #1 at 16, my mom would have knocked my head...and my uterus clear into Utah, much less pregnant with 2 at 17.  They enable her wayyyy too much.

This is just too much. Why didn’t she get some long term birth control IMMEDIATELY after giving birth to Timmy? It’s unfair to do this to her grandparents. It’s unfair to do it to Timmy (I’m sure Shannon will think it’s unfair to her too since she’ll get even less attention). Let me pray for her grandparents because at this rate they’ll never have an empty nest even if they might want one. Wonder what Shelly will have to say about this. 

 

4 hours ago, lezlers said:

FOR REALS.   When Lexus was openly mocking Kelsey IN FRONT OF PRODUCTION, ON CAMERA, Kelsey just gave the producer a look like "see what I deal with?"  WTF?  If I ever pulled shit like that with my mother I wouldn't be here snarking on this show with you all right now.  Lexus is the monster Kelsey created.

Their relationship is much more Aunt/niece or like sisters than mom and daughter. Kelsey has no control in her house which might be why she’s going to the extreme of threatening to take custody of Scarlett. It’s a power play, one she'll ultimately fail to deliver on. 

[tobeannounced]

At this point, I don't really have much sympathy for McKayla's grandparents. What's that saying? If you don't raise your kids, you'll be raising your grandkids. I guess you can include great grandkids in that too.

[Poohbear617]

I  have enjoyed reading the posts on how much help/support the parents should give the teen couple. Personally I wish they would cut all the drama crap and go to the birth and aftermath. Instead of 6 or 7 drawn out eoisodes, instead just 1 episode introducing the family then 1 with the birth and then home after that I want to see them actually being/attempting to be parents.  The waking up all night, the baths, diapers , dr appts, cleaning up, trying  to keep up with their own school work, cleaning doing bottles, washing bottles, pumping.  Let the father stay overnight  (I would put him in a separate room) but make him wake up and get his ass out of bed for a screaming infant. Then I would have them switch houses, and stay at the boys house for a change. It always just seems that only the girls parents have to deal with this (especially those walkway do-nothing baby daddies.  Have them pay for things, by getting getting part time jobs and they have to give up some activies like parents have too. I dont want parents to put the infant in danger but they are making  it too easy .

When 16 and pregnant started it did this and the girls.would always say they wish they had waited. (This was before teen mom turned them into rich bitch with designer clothes, luxury cars thinking they are celebrities) .  Come on learning channel, show something that help teenagers learn how to avoid becoming teen parents and the consequences you.may face.

Edited September 12, 2018 by Poohbear617

[readheaded]

4 hours ago, tobeannounced said:

At this point, I don't really have much sympathy for McKayla's grandparents. What's that saying? If you don't raise your kids, you'll be raising your grandkids. I guess you can include great grandkids in that too.

They seem to me to do a lot of parenting from guilt, which means they don't make decisions that are in the best interest of the kids they're raising because they're just doing whatever they can to assuage their own guilt.  We can all see how distructive it is.

[lezlers]

On ‎9‎/‎10‎/‎2018 at 9:40 AM, Soup333 said:

I do get your points as well. And I 100% agree that Max likely got Chloe pregnant on purpose because he wants a family. Chloe has stars in her eyes right now. She is pregnant with his kid, he's attentive, he just wants to be there for her and the baby - she sees his overbearing and smothering as cute and protective. She can't see the bad in him (I wonder if that's changed now since he's been in trouble). But I fear what Jessica is doing is pushing Chloe closer to Max instead of further away. Didn't Max want his father to come to the bonding experience in lieu of baby shower and then Chloe's mom and stepdad nixed that idea? They have to compromise somewhere because like it or not, that kid is the father of their grandchild. They could have agreed to have the dads go out and then problem solved. 

I think Kelsey has enabled Lexus too much, even though she complains about their lack of parenting, she's doing everything for Lexus and not making her learn how to be a parent - or even how to adult competently. Lexus is dependent on her mom for rides. I bet if she'd had to take the bus to Scarlett's doctor's appointments, she'd have known what the requirements were for getting her license. If Kelsey refused to pay for Scarlett's shots and told Lexus to research CHIP, I bet Lexus would have figured it out - or she would have whined about how hard it was and she and Kelsey could have sat down together and done it. I don't know what Shayden is doing beyond playing with the kid every now and then.

This also pissed me off.  Jessica wants to control EVERYTHING and refuses to give even a millimeter to make anyone else happy.   I didn't get the point of refusing to meet Max's father, that made no sense to me.  Max had mentioned asking many times for his dad to meet Chloe's family and each time he's given an excuse.  I think Jessica is still in a little bit of denial about the whole thing, like the further away she keeps Max and his family from Chloe and her own family, the less real this whole baby situation is.  She really needs to get over it or she's going to lose both Chloe and her granddaughter.

On ‎9‎/‎10‎/‎2018 at 10:06 AM, Ijustwantsomechips said:

I thought Chloe’s parents wanted to meet Max’s dad at the dude baby shower, but thought it was strange they hadn’t met him before.  And Max was reluctant because his dad is either a jerk or doesn’t follow through. I could be wrong though since I watched that episode while dozing off.  

No, Max is the one who asked if his dad could come to the Chloe stepdad/Max bonding day and Jessica and stepfather nixed the idea.  They said it was weird that they hadn't met him yet, then Max clarified that he'd ASKED them to meet his dad multiple times and Chloe always made excuses.  Max is kind of damned if he does damned if he doesn't in that family (not that I like Max, but I really don't think he's being treated fairly, either.  The kid just wants to be involved.)

[lezlers]

17 hours ago, Ivylady said:

I didn't realize she was on it that long. That just tells me she never dealt with the root of her addiction. She basically swapped one drug for another. She needs therapy, not more kids that her parents might end up raising if things go wrong. 

Exactly.  And that's also why she still thinks like and behaves like an addict.   She'll never truly be clean until she gets off everything altogether.

[ghoulina]

18 hours ago, Ivylady said:

I didn't realize she was on it that long. That just tells me she never dealt with the root of her addiction. She basically swapped one drug for another. She needs therapy, not more kids that her parents might end up raising if things go wrong. 

I don't know if there's a term for it, but she's the drug users version of a dry drunk. She may be "sober" now, but she hasn't altered any of her troublesome addict behavior. 

[StatisticalOutlier]

On 9/11/2018 at 12:44 PM, ghoulina said:

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A few episodes ago, in a discussion among all of them, Shannon told McKayla, "They always liked you better than they like me."  Yep, there's a whole lot going on that we'll never be privy to.  I think Shannon is awful, but I don't think she became that way all on her own.

Shannon might have Borderline Personality Disorder. My sister does and she is constantly the victim. Her perception of what happens is always vastly different from everyone else's. Just because Shannon feels like her parents favor McKayla, that doesn't mean they really do. 

I agree that we don't know if they actually do like McKayla more than they like Shannon.  I could certainly see it (well, before McKayla got pregnant a second time, anyway--it might be a closer call now).  And maybe she does have mental illness, but I haven't been hugely impressed by Tim and the grandma who's such a non-entity that I can't remember her name.  Maybe Shannon has made this up out of thin air and it's completely baseless, but I tend to think not.

 

On 9/11/2018 at 1:28 PM, KBrownie said:

Then so be it. They have absolutely no right to make anyone unhappy or miserable in their own home that they are paying for.  You are assuming that these idiots are just such special snowflakes that the parents are at their mercy and can do what they want with the threat of hating the parent and taking away the grandkid?  No way.  If any of these idiots want to roll the dice on emotionally blackmailing their parents, they can walk.  Nevermind, they have nothing with which to leverage in the first place.  They have nowhere to go and nothing to finance providing for their child.  Let the parents call them on that threat lol.  What can they possibly do?  Sure, they could figure it out, but these idiots are too lazy, dumb, and entitled to do so.  They'd back down in an instant.  Treating them like they have any power is the reason they behave like they do in the first place. 

That's what you think, and it's what I think, too, but why do the grandparents never do this?  Trust me, I wish with all my heart they would, but they just don't, and the only reason I can think of is that they're afraid of losing their kid/grandkid.  Why else would they allow this behavior? 

 

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And it's not every parent's dream to be a grandparent, so threatening in that regard may not have any impact.

I'm in the "grandparent generation" now, and not a single person I know has said becoming a grandparent is anything less than wonderful, and they'd be devastated if they were kept from their grandchildren.  Obviously that's not everyone, but I think it's far more frequent than people who have a "whatever" attitude about grandchildren.

 

22 hours ago, lezlers said:

I actually felt bad for Max, this episode.  Chloe's mom is a selfish bitch.  If the shower is for CHLOE then CHLOE should be able to have whoever she wants there.  I think her mom is a control freak and her not wanting Max there is just because SHE doesn't like him (because apparently, whenever a teenage girl gets pregnant, it's entirely the boy's fault.) 

Max's getting Chloe pregnant is only one of many reasons I don't like him, and I assume Jessica has a similar and probably longer list--I deal with him for only 10 minutes a week. 

That said, I agree with everyone here that she's doing a terrible job of handling the situation, which just makes me feel bad for that little shit Max.

I don't think I like anybody on this show, period.  Well, maybe Anna, but if a 9th grader is the most likable person in a group, it's a sad situation.  And actually, I may not even like her--it's probably more that I think I can understand her a little and she hasn't done anything to make me actively dislike her.   

[Mrs. Hanson]

2 hours ago, StatisticalOutlier said:

That's what you think, and it's what I think, too, but why do the grandparents never do this?  Trust me, I wish with all my heart they would, but they just don't, and the only reason I can think of is that they're afraid of losing their kid/grandkid.  Why else would they allow this behavior? 

Without going too off track:  I have a family member (a nephew) who struggled, and still struggles with staying sober from drinking.  My mom (his grandma) had a very weird connection with him (she has since passed) and kinda favored him.  She would overrule EVERYONE, even when it was indirectly harming him, both to be the "hero" and to kinda "stick it" to my sister (his mom) to show everyone who was really the boss.  Super unhealthy, I know, but my point is:  there are a lot of family dynamics here that we don't see, although we certainly get hints of it.  You are only as strong as the weakest link, and she was the weak link here.  Loved her, but man this was a rough flaw.

 

5 hours ago, ghoulina said:

I don't know if there's a term for it, but she's the drug users version of a dry drunk. She may be "sober" now, but she hasn't altered any of her troublesome addict behavior. 

Bolding mine:  that is the word for it!!!

[Awfarmington]

6 hours ago, StatisticalOutlier said:

I agree that we don't know if they actually do like McKayla more than they like Shannon.  I could certainly see it (well, before McKayla got pregnant a second time, anyway--it might be a closer call now).  And maybe she does have mental illness, but I haven't been hugely impressed by Tim and the grandma who's such a non-entity that I can't remember her name.  Maybe Shannon has made this up out of thin air and it's completely baseless, but I tend to think not.

 

That's what you think, and it's what I think, too, but why do the grandparents never do this?  Trust me, I wish with all my heart they would, but they just don't, and the only reason I can think of is that they're afraid of losing their kid/grandkid.  Why else would they allow this behavior? 

 

I'm in the "grandparent generation" now, and not a single person I know has said becoming a grandparent is anything less than wonderful, and they'd be devastated if they were kept from their grandchildren.  Obviously that's not everyone, but I think it's far more frequent than people who have a "whatever" attitude about grandchildren.

 

Max's getting Chloe pregnant is only one of many reasons I don't like him, and I assume Jessica has a similar and probably longer list--I deal with him for only 10 minutes a week. 

That said, I agree with everyone here that she's doing a terrible job of handling the situation, which just makes me feel bad for that little shit Max.

I don't think I like anybody on this show, period.  Well, maybe Anna, but if a 9th grader is the most likable person in a group, it's a sad situation.  And actually, I may not even like her--it's probably more that I think I can understand her a little and she hasn't done anything to make me actively dislike her.   

My only real complaint is that she was disingenuous about wanting Max involved, while throwing her daughter under the bus. Like Chloe was making up that her mom didn’t want Max around. Other than that, who can blame her for not wanting that weird looking, clingy leech around. I don’t want him around and it’s not even my house! So for her to have to deal with his crap and be around him in real life, we can’t judge her too harshly. Chloe may be dim, but Max just isn’t a good guy, and if I was Jessica, I’d not even allow him in my house. Or the shower, even if he is Creepy Jr’s sperm donor. 

[Mrs. Hanson]

6 hours ago, Awfarmington said:

Other than that, who can blame her for not wanting that weird looking, clingy leech around. I don’t want him around and it’s not even my house! So for her to have to deal with his crap and be around him in real life, we can’t judge her too harshly. Chloe may be dim, but Max just isn’t a good guy, and if I was Jessica, I’d not even allow him in my house. Or the shower, even if he is Creepy Jr’s sperm donor. 

I would not want him nor allow him in my  house either.  I am kinda mean, but I thought it was kinda funny how, when they were discussing the baby shower he was over in the chair, away from everyone.  It was not too big of a deal but I would have put him on the deck and locked him out.

 

On 9/12/2018 at 12:02 AM, Soup333 said:

This is just too much. Why didn’t she get some long term birth control IMMEDIATELY after giving birth to Timmy? It’s unfair to do this to her grandparents. It’s unfair to do it to Timmy (I’m sure Shannon will think it’s unfair to her too since she’ll get even less attention). Let me pray for her grandparents because at this rate they’ll never have an empty nest even if they might want one

If they are 60,61 they will never have any empty nest.   What the heck does MaKayla care?  She has gramma and grandpa there to support her so she can spit them out at fast succession!!

I agree with poster than Gramma is such a mousy person we can't remember her name.

And kudos to the person who said, "Where are the kids whose parents set limits and were firm?"  Someone said those kids are on Top Chef Junior, Project Runway Jr, etc.  Bravo and so true!!

Being I never spell McKayla's name right, I am going to call her McBabyMaker from now on.

[Guest]

On 9/9/2018 at 11:00 PM, Ivylady said:

Shannon still thinks like an addict. She's very selfish in her thoughts and actions, while deflecting blame on others. McKayla may be annoying, but she's 17. Shannon is 37 with the mentality of a teenager. It's really sad to watch. 

Not to mention she gaslights the fuck out of her own teenage daughter. Financial grifting is one thing, but those texts McKayla read were outright emotional abuse. And the screaming and flailing and histrionics about "You're all HIDING something! You LIED!" before storming out with her poor do over children. It's embarrassing. Whether using or not, Shannon will always be a toxic, manipulative narcissist who perpetually drains everyone around her. I feel bad for her younger batch of kids, because they'll be increasingly used to spite her parents and make McKayla jealous. She doesn't actually care about raising them, she just cares about flaunting that she can to brag about her "growth."

[configdotsys]

On 9/11/2018 at 2:44 PM, ghoulina said:

Exactly. She's all, "Well *I* didn't have a man at my shower until my 3rd shower". So what? Is Chloe supposed to do everything exactly as you did? Because it's not like you have the greatest track record....

Shannon might have Borderline Personality Disorder. My sister does and she is constantly the victim. Her perception of what happens is always vastly different from everyone else's. Just because Shannon feels like her parents favor McKayla, that doesn't mean they really do. 

I think Shannon's whole, "They'll always like you better than me," is pity party speak for the fact that her parents wrote her off when she became a drug user. Some may be aghast at parents who would do that but I can tell you with absolute certainty that my parents would have done the same thing. And I knew that. From a  young age. And never used drugs. Shannon seems to have this idea that because she made a mess of her life by using and then stopped using-- which was the right thing to do-- that she is owed a parade or accolades or expressions of "you're amazing!" 24/7. Um, no. I am sure there is-- rightfully-- residual resentment of the grandparents who had to raise two more kids because Shannon decided that drugs were more important than her kids. 

On 9/11/2018 at 3:28 PM, KBrownie said:

Then so be it. They have absolutely no right to make anyone unhappy or miserable in their own home that they are paying for.  You are assuming that these idiots are just such special snowflakes that the parents are at their mercy and can do what they want with the threat of hating the parent and taking away the grandkid?  No way.  If any of these idiots want to roll the dice on emotionally blackmailing their parents, they can walk.  Nevermind, they have nothing with which to leverage in the first place.  They have nowhere to go and nothing to finance providing for their child.  Let the parents call them on that threat lol.  What can they possibly do?  Sure, they could figure it out, but these idiots are too lazy, dumb, and entitled to do so.  They'd back down in an instant.  Treating them like they have any power is the reason they behave like they do in the first place.  

And it's not every parent's dream to be a grandparent, so threatening in that regard may not have any impact.

Lol.  I can't wait to see how they, Tim, Caelan, Shelley, and grandma spin this to be Shannon's fault like everything else wrong in McKayla's life.  

 

I think I love you. I fully agree with the notion that making them feel as though they have power by waffling or going back on your warnings is what causes all this. I have a sibling with two boys and she would visit my parents and when they would act up she'd say "If you don't stop, we're leaving." She's say that 50 times and never leave. It used to drive my parents insane because we had no such upbringing.

On 9/11/2018 at 7:51 PM, lezlers said:

It was her grandmother, I'm pretty sure (they're yet another family full of women who can't seem to grasp how NOT to get pregnant as teenagers.)  

I actually felt bad for Max, this episode.  Chloe's mom is a selfish bitch.  If the shower is for CHLOE then CHLOE should be able to have whoever she wants there.  I think her mom is a control freak and her not wanting Max there is just because SHE doesn't like him (because apparently, whenever a teenage girl gets pregnant, it's entirely the boy's fault.)  When she said her own shower was co-ed, I almost spit out my drink.  She's so full of shit.  

I thought it was concerning that her baby she had on her lap didn't even flinch during Shannon's outburst.  Leads me to think that happens quite a bit at home.  And I didn't know she'd been on Suboxone for 8 YEARS.  That's an exceptionally long time for opiate maintenance.  I can't get over the fact that she intentionally got pregnant while being on it, knowing it's harmful for the fetus.  She really is a selfish bitch.

 I felt bad for Max too but wonder what we don't know about him. 

As for Shannon and the kid on the lap, I don't have kids but noticed that right away. If a small child is used to experiencing chaos, there may be no reaction or maybe she would cry but a baby with a mom who flips out and gets loud with a baby in their arms? Wouldn't that scare the baby?

On 9/12/2018 at 9:06 AM, tobeannounced said:

At this point, I don't really have much sympathy for McKayla's grandparents. What's that saying? If you don't raise your kids, you'll be raising your grandkids. I guess you can include great grandkids in that too.

I don't have much sympathy for them either. They did a great thing taking in Mikayla but spoiled her to the point that in that house, she calls the shots. The person that posted that sometimes you have to run the risk of having your kids hate you for a time in order to do what is in their best interest. That goes for grandparents that are raising their grandkids too. 

Edited September 13, 2018 by configdotsys

[ghoulina]

21 minutes ago, configdotsys said:

As for Shannon and the kid on the lap, I don't have kids but noticed that right away. If a small child is used to experiencing chaos, there may be no reaction or maybe she would cry but a baby with a mom who flips out and gets loud with a baby in their arms? Wouldn't that scare the baby?

Kids feed off of our emotions. I have never yelled with a baby in my arms. But I remember if my older kids would get into a fight when my daughter was a baby, she'd get fussy. I nursed her and she wouldn't nurse if I was stressed or in a rush. She could feel my calmness and would then calm down herself. 

The way that baby just sat there chilled me. 

[BravoAddict72]

On 9/12/2018 at 9:06 AM, tobeannounced said:

At this point, I don't really have much sympathy for McKayla's grandparents. What's that saying? If you don't raise your kids, you'll be raising your grandkids. I guess you can include great grandkids in that too.

At this point I would give McKayla a deadline for when she needs to be out. 2 kids in 2 years when she is barely out of high school! Did she even graduate from high school? It's like her and her boyfriend learned nothing the first time. They are making it too easy on McKayla. She already complained in the first or second episode of this season that she can't do anything without Timmy. Welcome to motherhood! You learn to do things during nap time or let them entertain themselves while you get things done. I can't tell you how many times my son played drums on pots & pans or tupperware while I made dinner and did dishes. She will never grow up if they allow her to keep living there. 

[gonecrackers]

I could see Grandpa Tim losing it about the pregnancies but Grandma WhateverHerNameIs shaking her head saying "Shhhh, Tim, you might upset McKayla..."

I think he's tried but she's quietly but constantly undermining him.

Edited September 13, 2018 by gonecrackers

[lezlers]

3 hours ago, ghoulina said:

Kids feed off of our emotions. I have never yelled with a baby in my arms. But I remember if my older kids would get into a fight when my daughter was a baby, she'd get fussy. I nursed her and she wouldn't nurse if I was stressed or in a rush. She could feel my calmness and would then calm down herself. 

The way that baby just sat there chilled me. 

omg, this is something my husband and I butt heads about all the time.  I keep trying to tell him that yelling at the kids when they're acting up doesn't help, it just aggravates them more. Put them in time out, remove them from the situation, remove YOURSELF from the situation, whatever you have to do.  But yelling at a toddler or very small child because they're crying and carrying on doesn't WORK.   I will admit, though, that on the rare occasion that I raise my voice to my children, they snap to attention.  Probably because I very rarely do it and the angry mom voice only comes out when they've Gone Too Far.   But my husband?  He can yell for days and it makes no difference because he yells more than he doesn't, so they're used to it. 

Sigh.  Parenting.  It's not for pussies.

[Soup333]

3 hours ago, gonecrackers said:

I could see Grandpa Tim losing it about the pregnancies but Grandma WhateverHerNameIs shaking her head saying "Shhhh, Tim, you might upset McKayla..."

I think he's tried but she's quietly but constantly undermining him.

Interesting because I kind of felt like she lets her husband make all the decisions. I’m not sure why I thought that because she really is a blank slate. Remember last season when they were all in a tizzy over the baby shower and Shannon was blaming everything on Shelly? Well, Grandma (and her sister?) was right there planning the shower with Shelly and neither of them advocated for making it a joint shower with Shannon. I got the impression that she was one of those people who don’t like to rock the boat. But you could be right. Maybe she feels so bad for McKayla and Unnamed Brother that they get away with murder. 

If we’d have had a pool going on who would pop up pregnant with a second kid the fastest, I’d have put my money on Lexus. She could prove to Shayden that she was #TeamPeen and her relationship with the girl was “just a phase.”

[ghoulina]

I would have guessed Lexus too.

 

I wonder what happened to other girl from the first season. I can't remember her name now, but she was super whiny. 

[ShaNaeNae]

2 hours ago, ghoulina said:

I wonder what happened to other girl from the first season. I can't remember her name now, but she was super whiny. 

Lily.  Lily Bennett was her name.  Someone said she has a vlog which I find interesting because she didn't have much of a personality. 

McKayla is completely spoiled and grandma with her every day side barrette undermine Tim sometimes.  We've seen it on the show.  I wouldn't support a second pregnancy from her if I was the grandparents.  She came out talking shit about the show, saying they're not telling the whole story, edited it in a dramatic way (no shit, it's reality TV) and she wants to quit.

[StatisticalOutlier]

On 9/13/2018 at 12:55 PM, configdotsys said:

I have a sibling with two boys and she would visit my parents and when they would act up she'd say "If you don't stop, we're leaving." She's say that 50 times and never leave. It used to drive my parents insane because we had no such upbringing.

I read somewhere a while back where somebody said that the threat had become, "If you don't stop doing that, I'm going to tell you to stop doing it again."

[gonecrackers]

In the article she said she makes more off YT than the show - I've only seen clips of her YT & she's just as boring as Lily if not worse with that damn vocal fry. Who the hell listens to her dribble that she actually makes money?

[Mrs. Hanson]

On 9/14/2018 at 5:34 PM, gonecrackers said:

In the article she said she makes more off YT than the show - I've only seen clips of her YT & she's just as boring as Lily if not worse with that damn vocal fry. Who the hell listens to her dribble that she actually makes money?

I saw about thirty seconds of Lily's channel.  All I can say is wow is she ever dull and likes to point out obvious stuff.  "If you wait too long to nurse your milk can dry up."  Really?  WOW!

Edited September 17, 2018 by Mrs. Hanson

[gonecrackers]

These girls imparting so much wisdom at their tender ages; well earned money for them... (HUGE eye roll)

[Scarlett45]

On 9/10/2018 at 9:12 AM, Ijustwantsomechips said:

Just because you had sex and made a baby doesn not make you an adult.  And if you want to make decisions for your child and raise them as you see fit, then get a job and get the hell out of your parents’ house.  Because, as far as the state I live in goes, the law requires a parent to provide food, clothing and shelter to their minor children. Not grandchildren.  So Jessica, Kelsey and Bridget are already going above and beyond.  Most parents wouldn’t turn their backs on their grandkids, but they have no legal obligation to provide, and provide well.  These punks wanting to run the show in other adults houses would not stand in my family. Nor would the girls making demands like they’ve gotten free rides to Harvard and have earned the right to have their way.  Heiffers please.  You’re stupid, irresponsible and selfish, so have a seat.  

A. Fucking. Men. 

[Ivylady]

Is it just me, or is Shayden high? And I'm laughing at him saying he's more grown up than Kelsey. Lolol. 

[Scarlett45]

I just had a thought- I think Jessica has all this anger towards Max as a projection towards Chole’s Bio father that is a dead beat and no longer in the picture. She cannot take out her feelings on him, but seeing Chole pregnant is making her relive her feelings/perceptions when she was a teen mom, and she is putting Max in the position of Chole’s bio dad (who left the picture never to be seen again). 

 

Nothing theyve shown us has made me think Max is the disrespectful, possibly violent POS that Diego is- he just seems like a kid. Yes there is still a lot of sexism that if a teen girl is pregnant it’s the (same aged , where there was no assault or coercion and the girl didn’t have any sort of mental disability) male because teen girls have no sex drive at all and this all happened because the boy wanted to have sex. 

 

I do agree that it was Jessica’s money and she has the right to decide to comes to the shower, but I do think it was petty and unkind to exclude Max who wanted to be there, for HIS baby.  Just because you have the right to do something doesn’t mean you should. 

Edited September 17, 2018 by Scarlett45

[PityFree]

 At the beginning of the show tonight, I could not figure out why there was an old man curled up on the bed. I couldn’t figure out whose grandpa it or father it was. And then I realized it was Shayden. That is a hard 18, Shay. Meth is aging.

[Ivylady]

5 minutes ago, Scarlett45 said:

Nothing theyve shown us has made me think Max is the disrespectful, possibly violent POS that Diego is- he just seems like a kid. Yes there is still a lot of sexism that if a teen girl is pregnant it’s the (same aged , where there was no assault or coercion and the girl didn’t have any sort of mental disability) male because teen girls have no sex drive at all and this all happened because the boy wanted to have sex. 

I agree with this, but Chloe herself said she had sex with Max because she was afraid he'd leave her. He'd had sex before, she hadn't. To his credit, he did say that he would have waited if he'd known that's why she started having sex with him. 

 

He did also say he got her pregnant on purpose, so take that as you will. 

[Scarlett45]

10 minutes ago, Ivylady said:

I agree with this, but Chloe herself said she had sex with Max because she was afraid he'd leave her. He'd had sex before, she hadn't. To his credit, he did say that he would have waited if he'd known that's why she started having sex with him. 

 

He did also say he got her pregnant on purpose, so take that as you will. 

Yes but Chole made the choice to have sex. Repeatedly. Max didn’t coerce her or rape her, he didn’t know that’s why she decided to sleep with him. If Chole decided she wanted to keep having sex with Max (for whatever reason) she could’ve gotten contraceptives. I’m NOT excusing Max at all- he could’ve warn a condom.

If anything should we blame Jessica and her step dad for not giving her better self esteem so that she engaged in sex on her terms? Also how do you get someone pregnant “on purpose” if you are both consenting to vaginal sex? Unless you intentionally damage the condom or lie about contraception (as a woman) I don’t get what that means.

 

Does he mean he chose not to “pull out”- which is not a reliable contraceptive method any way???!! I’m not being snarky at you I’m genuinely confused at what the kid meant by that. 

 

Im just saying absent an abuse of power (like an age difference), or rape (either due to coercion, violence, or one person being mentally disabled) both the male and female partner are responsible for the pregnancy. Unfortunately for women, there are more biological and social consequences even though we are only 50% responsible. 

 

Edited to add- I think these girls that have a tiny bit of self awareness, and the boys that aren’t evil shits could benefit from some therapy. Going as a family might also be good with the new stressors and inter generational relationships. 

Edited September 17, 2018 by Scarlett45

[PityFree]

Chloe’s grandfather is a silver fox. 

[Ivylady]

2 minutes ago, Scarlett45 said:

Does he mean he chose not to “pull out”- which is not a reliable contraceptive method any way???!! I’m not being snarky at you I’m genuinely confused at what the kid meant by that. 

Chloe said his pull out game was wack, and he said he wanted her to get pregnant. He said he got her pregnant on purpose. Chloe said no teenager gets pregnant on purpose, and he said that he did. 

 

I'm glad that Chloe got time together with her friends without worrying about Max because she does cater to him entirely. Her forwarding for texts was stupid, but that's what teenagers do. I just wish Jessica were honest about her feelings. She doesn't really like Max, and she doesn't have to like him. 

[Scarlett45]

3 minutes ago, PityFree said:

Chloe’s grandfather is a silver fox. 

He is!

2 minutes ago, Ivylady said:

Chloe said his pull out game was wack, and he said he wanted her to get pregnant. He said he got her pregnant on purpose. Chloe said no teenager gets pregnant on purpose, and he said that he did. 

 

I'm glad that Chloe got time together with her friends without worrying about Max because she does cater to him entirely. Her forwarding for texts was stupid, but that's what teenagers do. I just wish Jessica were honest about her feelings. She doesn't really like Max, and she doesn't have to like him. 

Thanks so much. 

I think everyone in Chole’s family would benefit from therapy. 

[DVDFreaker]

McKayla is fucking pregnant again?! I have no words how McKayla and her boyfriend are idiots....Tylor is gross wanting to be a stripper and my apologies, I thought it was Lauren who wanted to be a stripper but Tylor wanting to be a stripper is way worse! Chloe and Max is boring to me to death so far and Shayden is a terrible excuse for a father, he is so lazy, at least Lexus is starting to mature by getting a job and getting her driver's license…..and I just cant not stand Diego, he is almost as bad as Shayden and I like Emiley, she deserves better...

[KBrownie]

2 minutes ago, Scarlett45 said:

He is!

Thanks so much. 

I think everyone in Chole’s family would benefit from therapy. 

I think Chole's family is fine actually.  They are dealing with a difficult situation the best they can.  Is it always perfect?  No, but no one can be expected to.  I think they've gone above and beyond for Chole.  They have no responsibilities or obligations toward Max, other than basic civility, so he needs to stop looking to them for support.

I feel Max is the one who needs therapy.  He needs to understand that he can't force Chole and her family to be the family he always wanted but never had.  Max is like the rest of these teen dads, want everyone to know that it's their kid and they are in charge but have absolutely no means to provide for themselves or the child they are bringing into the world.  Chole just said it herself when she said (paraphrasing): "I just want them to not say anything and be there for us".  Which is basically: "Take care of us and spend your money on us and what we want, but keep your opinions out of it."  Which, no.  It doesn't work like that.

[PityFree]

 Good Lord when did Diego become a philosopher???

[Scarlett45]

9 minutes ago, KBrownie said:

I think Chole's family is fine actually.  They are dealing with a difficult situation the best they can.  Is it always perfect?  No, but no one can be expected to.  I think they've gone above and beyond for Chole.  They have no responsibilities or obligations toward Max, other than basic civility, so he needs to stop looking to them for support.

I feel Max is the one who needs therapy.  He needs to understand that he can't force Chole and her family to be the family he always wanted but never had.  Max is like the rest of these teen dads, want everyone to know that it's their kid and they are in charge but have absolutely no means to provide for themselves or the child they are bringing into the world.  Chole just said it herself when she said (paraphrasing): "I just want them to not say anything and be there for us".  Which is basically: "Take care of us and spend your money on us and what we want, but keep your opinions out of it."  Which, no.  It doesn't work like that.

I’m not insinuating dysfunction or toxicity by saying they could use therapy! (I hope it wasn’t coming across that way). But a teen pregnancy is stressful on everyone, and Chole is crying, and Jessica has her own issues about being a teen mom (out of her own month)- a few sessions with a neutral 3rd party, like a therapist or pastor (if they are religious) can help smooth out boundary concerns and communication going forward. Because ABSOLUTELY Chole needs to understand how her life is going to change and all of the sacrifices her parents have made to make her life comfortable because SHE and Max were too Lazy to use birth control (and yes I think for most teens growing up in the USA, outside of cases of abuse or exploitation- which happens too often) its LAZINESS. Chole is still a child in their home- having a working reproductive system doesn’t change that.

 

YES Max needs therapy, but I don’t think anyone would actually get him there (or help him get there), he seems like a lost puppy who’s not being emotionally parented (his Dad is providing for him). A teacher or coach he could talk to would do a world of good IMO. That way he wouldn’t be leaning on Chole’s parents. 

Edited September 17, 2018 by Scarlett45

[ghoulina]

Emily is the quietest laborer ever. Glib attitude aside, I was glad to see Diego was there for every bit of it. 

 

I seriously think Tylor is trolling Laura's parents with that stripper crap....and I kind of love it. 

 

Yea, Shayden, you're really proving yourself....shuffling around in a woman's robe, throwing Cheerios at your kid like you're feeding ducks at the park. Father of the year right there. 

 

Big yawn to McKayla and her pregnancy test, since we know she's pregnant again in real time. I'm not saying it absolutely wouldn't happen otherwise, but I think these shows are a big reason why a lot of these Teen Moms have subsequent babies. So dumb. There's lots of birth control options; pick one.

Also, learn to cook.

 

I STILL think Jessica is one shady bitch. She gets her way; Max doesn't come to the shower. Then she sends a bunch of shitty texts about how they'll never accept him (which, Chloe was a dumbass to show him), then when he doesn't show up, she's all - "He needs to be here. He needs to get used to being part of our family." Two days ago she was trying to get rid of him! I just can't with her. I really can't.

8 minutes ago, PityFree said:

 Good Lord when did Diego become a philosopher???

last week when he taught us about flies on poop. 

[KBrownie]

1 minute ago, Scarlett45 said:

I’m not insinuating dysfunction or toxicity by saying they could use therapy! (I hope it wasn’t coming across that way). But a teen pregnancy is stressful on everyone, and Chole is crying, and Jessica has her own issues about being a teen mom (out of her own month)- a few sessions with a neutral 3rd party, like a therapist or pastor (if they are religious) can help smooth out boundary concerns and communication going forward. 

All true, and this applies to all of these families, but this is why teens shouldn't have babies when they aren't the ones who are 100% responsible for and taking care of them.  They can't make any reasonable claims against their parents as to their maturity and abilities when the parents are the ones doing literally almost everything to take care of their child.  Of course, there are going to be boundary issues.  If I was one of these parents and I was paying for everything but getting attitude from my irresponsible kid and the do-nothing boyfriend?  No way.  My kid would know from the jump if that's the attitude you want to take, you can take your child and boyfriend elsewhere and do what you want.  You aren't going to take my money and infringe on the peace of my household and tell me what to do.  I just don't feel that any of these teens have any room to be nothing but grateful for their parents and the fact that their parents haven't made them parent on their own.  Why should the parents be put out any more than they already are?  If the teens don't like something, then they are the ones who need to make adjustments, not their parents.  And if they don't want to do that, then they can do it on their own.  Totally.

[Scarlett45]

5 minutes ago, KBrownie said:

All true, and this applies to all of these families, but this is why teens shouldn't have babies when they aren't the ones who are 100% responsible for and taking care of them.  They can't make any reasonable claims against their parents as to their maturity and abilities when the parents are the ones doing literally almost everything to take care of their child.  Of course, there are going to be boundary issues.  If I was one of these parents and I was paying for everything but getting attitude from my irresponsible kid and the do-nothing boyfriend?  No way.  My kid would know from the jump if that's the attitude you want to take, you can take your child and boyfriend elsewhere and do what you want.  You aren't going to take my money and infringe on the peace of my household and tell me what to do.  I just don't feel that any of these teens have any room to be nothing but grateful for their parents and the fact that their parents haven't made them parent on their own.  Why should the parents be put out any more than they already are?  If the teens don't like something, then they are the ones who need to make adjustments, not their parents.  And if they don't want to do that, then they can do it on their own.  Totally.

You’ve never lied. 

Everything you say is 100% correct. It’s just that since the parents ARE allowing the kids to live at home with the babies, something has to be done to stop. The. Cycle. Of. Teen. Pregnancy. Scientifically we know how to prevent conception (duh), supposedly people know infants costs money (duh) yet these broke teens chose to have babies and raise them and disrupt everyone’s life. WHY?

 

goodness I’m so happy I’m childfree so I don’t have to deal with this. I was a teen girl once upon a time and my Mom wouldn’t have stood for me making another mouth to feed. 

Also- I remember Chole more because her family does seem nice, and her step dad is so adorable I want to squeeze him!

Edited September 17, 2018 by Scarlett45

[Soup333]

I'm trying to figure out who bothers me more, Shannon or Jessica. Both of them are manipulative and both of them disgust me. I think Jessica is winning this week because we only saw (thankfully) brief, old clips of Shannon. 

So, I remember watching the scene where Max wanted to have his father meet Chloe's stepfather at their "bonding experience in lieu of babyshower" and Jessica said it would be awkward to meet him that way. And her mealy-mouthed husband agreed with her, as he always does. It was MAX'S suggestion but now all of a sudden, this invitation was extended personally by Jessica and she's so hurt and offended that they didn't stop by. And now the dufus extended family is all agreeing with her and saying that Max and his father aren't serious in being in the kid's life, etc. I watched all that play out and felt like I was being gaslit.

I don't think Chloe should have forwarded Max the texts her mom sent her, but she might have been just as confused as I was. Like, her mom has been a bitch about this whole thing but then she was asking if he was coming and acting like it was okay but at the same time she was still talking shit about him. Like...??? Chloe said she just wanted somebody to be on her side and I get that. Her mom switches up how she acts around her family and even went so far as to grandmasplain her reasoning for barring Max from the shower to the guests. How trifling is that? 

And then Jessica said, "I'm glad I got to have this experience without Max being there." Chloe's baby shower. That woman is something else. Entirely. I have no words to say for her - at least no good ones.

ETA: I forgot this from Jessica - "I want him to be involved, just in a different way." Basically, she wants to call the shots. Cool, but admit it. Don't be a two-faced bitch about it.

I also think Tylor was trolling Laura's parents about the stripping. I think Laura had that baby to keep Tylor, since he was dating her best friend when they met and apparently he's cheated on her at some point. Somebody should have told her a baby won't keep a man. Oh, well. She'll figure it out. At least she does seem to adore her baby.

Kelsey and Shayden are both annoying. Why Kelsey felt the need to talk about her daughter's sexual orientation like that is mindboggling. Shayden tossing those Cheerios at his daughter was appalling.

Weekly reminder: Diego is trash. I asked my daughter to make sure I heard right, did he say, "I'm done holding this?" about his newborn? I hate that boy's smug face. 

Edited September 17, 2018 by Soup333

[Babysnark23]

I am so over this family- poor stage 5 clinger- you bitch that you don’t want him at the shower and then you bitch that how dare he not come over after you trash talk him! It’s sad this family makes me feel so sorry for S5C MAX! Chloe and her mother are asshats and are the worst to watch!

[kit.kat343]

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I am so over this family- poor stage 5 clinger- you bitch that you don’t want him at the shower and then you bitch that how dare he not come over after you trash talk him! It’s sad this family makes me feel so sorry for S5C MAX!

This reminds me of the episode of Roseanne after Becky married Mark, and she was complaining to her mom that he was fixing cars instead of spending time with her.  Roseanne said, you mean he's working?  Becky, you're making me defend Mark.  And I hate having to defend Mark!  

 

The kid is incredibly annoying, but they're really setting it up so there's nothing he can do that would make things right.

 

And why in the name of god aren't these girls all on a long term birth control (shot, ring) 6 weeks after giving birth?  

[Lizzing]

3 hours ago, Soup333 said:

Shayden tossing those Cheerios at his daughter was appalling.

He tossed the cereal with such utter contempt, it was jarring.  

I don't buy McKayla's excuse for not using BC, her saying it makes her sick.  To be clear, I don't doubt BC can make people sick--I just don't buy that she personally has ever tried more than maybe one type and gave up because it gave her a single zit.  She clearly likes the attention she gets being preggers, and it's a far less negative attention than being a drug addict like her mother.  So it's birthin' babies for her.  Though I do wonder how soon Shannon will announce her own baby #5.

Tyler better be serious about being a stripper, because that would be one hilarious sight to behold.  Goony looking dude with weird eyes gyrating to music...it could be a comedy stripper act--certainly no Chippendales. LOL!

[ThinkerBell]

These kids . . . I bet they know how to manage every function on their phones, and incessantly boast about the tricks they've figured out to get to the next level in their inane video games, but can't be bothered to figure out how to put a condom on or swallow a birth control pill.

[ghoulina]

8 hours ago, Soup333 said:

So, I remember watching the scene where Max wanted to have his father meet Chloe's stepfather at their "bonding experience in lieu of babyshower" and Jessica said it would be awkward to meet him that way. And her mealy-mouthed husband agreed with her, as he always does. It was MAX'S suggestion but now all of a sudden, this invitation was extended personally by Jessica and she's so hurt and offended that they didn't stop by. And now the dufus extended family is all agreeing with her and saying that Max and his father aren't serious in being in the kid's life, etc. I watched all that play out and felt like I was being gaslit.

YES!!!! Jessica is so fucking manipulative, it's disgusting. I think she's worse than Shannon, in that sense, because Shannon is so obvious about it. Jessica is a lot more subtle, but her gaslighting has become very apparent to me. I'm starting to feel really badly for Chloe, because her mom is going to literally drive her insane. 

 

5 hours ago, kit.kat343 said:

And why in the name of god aren't these girls all on a long term birth control (shot, ring) 6 weeks after giving birth?

"Condoms hurt and birth control has a bad effect on me". ALL birth control? Like you've tried every single one? 

I'm so over this crap. There are a million choices out there. None of them will be perfect. But you know what REALLY has bad side effects? A BABY. 

4 hours ago, Lizzing said:

Tyler better be serious about being a stripper, because that would be one hilarious sight to behold.  Goony looking dude with weird eyes gyrating to music...it could be a comedy stripper act--certainly no Chippendales. LOL!

I just freaking LOVE the idea of Laura's shocked-face parents becoming even more shocked-face when their fellow church-goers find out that their daughter's baby daddy is stripping at a gay strip club. Like I would seriously get several months of joy out of that. 

4 hours ago, Lizzing said:

He tossed the cereal with such utter contempt, it was jarring.  

YES! I don't have a problem with feeding a child that age dry Cheerios. I did it (albeit, usually paired with a fruit of some sort). But it's like you said, the manner in which he did it. He's like, "I fed the baby; happy, bitch?"

[Witchz]

Jessica is such a manipulator and thinks this is all about her and she is right it is somewhat about how she failed to keep her daughter from getting pregnant. Lets face it when I was whatever age Chloe is (15- 16 yrs old)  I was not running around town with boys- nope sorry. Car dating was not allowed until I was 16 yrs old and then was limited. Some would say my mom was crazy strict and she didn't care ever - only cared to make sure I was not out there trying to act like a adult when still a child. Chloes mom is taking care of her daughter right now cause she is her responsibility we have yet to see her take care of the baby so to say that Chloe and Max should be so grateful for the bullshit they are getting from Jessica is funny. I think that Chloe and Max are both treating her mother and her father with respect and trying as much as their teenage uneducated and immature selves can. How can Max know what she wants when she is so two faced that I think she has confused herself because she is not making Max look like the "bad" guy that is so below her daughter and herself - instead she is making him look good and better than her. 

Grandpa and Grandma show us who Jessica learned some of her behavior from - and to be honest why is Grandpa making shitty judgement at all  when he obviously doesn't know the whole situation?  And what a guy he is attacking his Granddaughter for sticking up for her babies father who seems to be the only person who seems to give a shit about her feelings- shame on you Grandpa. Take your gifts and shove them is what I would say - if you want to do something for me or my baby do it but don't do it and think you have the right to abuse me with your comments and or control my emotions cause it wont work - never does. If this family does not want to accept Max say it and act like adults that can stand by what they decide. 

Sorry but Jessica irks me worse than Kelsey or Shannon. These three need so much help but will never get it cause the narcissism runs too deep. 

Chloes little sister is adorable and looks like Chloes mini me - lets hope the baby doesn't have that mouth though. 

I really don't think the parents are doing these kids a favor by letting them have babies that they cant care for - they are ruining the lives of the girls and the babies that will be effected by the inadequacy and disfunction. So to say these girls are lucky that they are paying for all this - I would disagree strongly. 

Do any of the girls have any goals for their future? Did they ever? 

Edited September 17, 2018 by Witchz

[Pepper Mostly]

On 9/11/2018 at 10:36 PM, gonecrackers said:

She could've at least waited until they moved out. And what's wrong with Caelen that he can't at least wrap it up?  McKayla would've probably been more careful if she didn't have Grandpa & Grandma as safety nets.

Apparently when Caelen (dear god, these names!) wraps it up, "it hurts". Honey, if you've never heard of lube you should not be popping out babies like a chicken does eggs. You should still be playing with Barbies.

11 hours ago, Ivylady said:

Is it just me, or is Shayden high? And I'm laughing at him saying he's more grown up than Kelsey. Lolol. 

Shayden is high as fuck.

5 hours ago, Lizzing said:

He tossed the cereal with such utter contempt, it was jarring.  

I don't buy McKayla's excuse for not using BC, her saying it makes her sick.  To be clear, I don't doubt BC can make people sick--I just don't buy that she personally has ever tried more than maybe one type and gave up because it gave her a single zit.  She clearly likes the attention she gets being preggers, and it's a far less negative attention than being a drug addict like her mother.  So it's birthin' babies for her.  Though I do wonder how soon Shannon will announce her own baby #5.

Tyler better be serious about being a stripper, because that would be one hilarious sight to behold.  Goony looking dude with weird eyes gyrating to music...it could be a comedy stripper act--certainly no Chippendales. LOL!

McKayla's whinging about birth control was just ridiculous. She tries to sound so world weary and jaded, but its like watching a 5 year old prancing around in her mother's high heels. Have none of these Nobelists heard of a diaphragm?? In the 70's and 80's it was the go-to for women who didn't want to take the pill any more. If she and Caelen are exclusive and neither one has an STD, a diaphragm seems like the obvious choice. Am I nuts? Its been a long time since I was on birth control--are they out?

[IvySpice]

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"I'm done holding her"

Well, at least we can't say that Diego is faking an interest in his child. As it happens, I agree with him that smartphones are more interesting than babies...that's why I don't have any babies.

I hope Shelly brings MAJOR attitude for McKayla and Caeden's bullshit. 

Edited September 17, 2018 by IvySpice