qtpye May 14, 2021 Share May 14, 2021 15 minutes ago, paulvdb said: The Conners’ Renewed For Season 4 By ABC I for one am happy. I would love to see some closure to Becky's story line and have it end on a hopeful note. I am watching some of the reruns where Becky runs off to gets married in the original series and it is heartbreaking. This is the only story line in my life that I have been for well over 20 years on television. 2 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/71734-media-the-lanford-lean-times/page/8/#findComment-6781398
peacheslatour May 14, 2021 Share May 14, 2021 14 minutes ago, qtpye said: I for one am happy. I would love to see some closure to Becky's story line and have it end on a hopeful note. I am watching some of the reruns where Becky runs off to gets married in the original series and it is heartbreaking. This is the only story line in my life that I have been for well over 20 years on television. I think it's a testament to the OG show that we're all spending time dissecting and pretty much overthinking and nit picking every little thing about it even though it's nowhere near as good as the original. 1 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/71734-media-the-lanford-lean-times/page/8/#findComment-6781428
opus May 15, 2021 Share May 15, 2021 Rebel canceled https://deadline.com/2021/05/rebel-canceled-abc-katey-sagal-krista-vernoff-1234753645/ Start planning the wedding? 1 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/71734-media-the-lanford-lean-times/page/8/#findComment-6781943
bobalina May 15, 2021 Share May 15, 2021 1 hour ago, opus said: Rebel canceled https://deadline.com/2021/05/rebel-canceled-abc-katey-sagal-krista-vernoff-1234753645/ Start planning the wedding? Too bad, Rebel is a much better show. And Louise still needs to run fast away from the loser Connors. 2 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/71734-media-the-lanford-lean-times/page/8/#findComment-6782093
CrystalBlue May 15, 2021 Share May 15, 2021 10 minutes ago, bobalina said: Too bad, Rebel is a much better show. And Louise still needs to run fast away from the loser Conners. Louise has to stay with Dan now because Rebel is going to fade into the sunset after five more episodes of this first and last season. It looks like wedding bells will be ringing for Dan and Louise, or at least the anticipated proposal, acceptance and engagement. I still want to know where broke Dan is going to get a ring. Let's hope he doesn't use any of Roseanne's old jewelry! 2 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/71734-media-the-lanford-lean-times/page/8/#findComment-6782115
ESS May 15, 2021 Share May 15, 2021 (edited) 10 hours ago, opus said: Rebel canceled https://deadline.com/2021/05/rebel-canceled-abc-katey-sagal-krista-vernoff-1234753645/ Start planning the wedding? I’m so upset by Rebel being canceled Katey didn't deserve this treatment of her own show. But yes there is silver lining to this mess we get more Louise. 8 hours ago, CrystalBlue said: Louise has to stay with Dan now because Rebel is going to fade into the sunset after five more episodes of this first and last season. It looks like wedding bells will be ringing for Dan and Louise, or at least the anticipated proposal, acceptance and engagement. I still want to know where broke Dan is going to get a ring. Let's hope he doesn't use any of Roseanne's old jewelry! I’m so not happy about Rebel but I’m for Dan & Louise it’s the only good thing about Rebel being canceled for me. 8 hours ago, bobalina said: Too bad, Rebel is a much better show. And Louise still needs to run fast away from the loser Connors. Louise is never gonna run away from Dan she’s devoted to him, they are in love and in their relationship for the long haul. Edited May 15, 2021 by ESS 1 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/71734-media-the-lanford-lean-times/page/8/#findComment-6782461
DanaK May 18, 2021 Share May 18, 2021 ABC has announced its Fall schedule and the show remains in its Wed 9pm timeslot 2 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/71734-media-the-lanford-lean-times/page/8/#findComment-6788334
ESS May 18, 2021 Share May 18, 2021 3 hours ago, DanaK said: ABC has announced its Fall schedule and the show remains in its Wed 9pm timeslot I saw that that’s disappointing. 2 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/71734-media-the-lanford-lean-times/page/8/#findComment-6788737
DanaK May 20, 2021 Share May 20, 2021 (edited) I never made the connection that Maya Robinson, who plays Geena, also played Michelle in The Unicorn until I read a recent interview with the showrunner Edited May 20, 2021 by DanaK 1 1 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/71734-media-the-lanford-lean-times/page/8/#findComment-6792544
ESS May 20, 2021 Share May 20, 2021 The Conners Season 3 Episode 20 Review: Two Proposals, a Homecoming and a Bear Conners Boss Talks Dan and Louise's Big Step Forward in Finale — and Ben and Darlene's Even Bigger Step Back 2 2 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/71734-media-the-lanford-lean-times/page/8/#findComment-6792588
DanaK July 15, 2021 Share July 15, 2021 New season premieres September 22 https://tvline.com/2021/07/15/abc-premiere-dates-fall-2021-list-greys-anatomy-season-18/ 7 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/71734-media-the-lanford-lean-times/page/8/#findComment-6894265
ESS July 15, 2021 Share July 15, 2021 1 hour ago, DanaK said: New season premieres September 22 https://tvline.com/2021/07/15/abc-premiere-dates-fall-2021-list-greys-anatomy-season-18/ I can't wait!! Thank for the news!! 3 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/71734-media-the-lanford-lean-times/page/8/#findComment-6894399
peacheslatour August 18, 2021 Share August 18, 2021 Jason Alexander Will Play a Pastor on ABC’s ‘The Conners’ This Fall By Michael Schneider Plus Icon ABC Worlds are colliding: “Seinfeld” star Jason Alexander will guest this upcoming season on “The Conners,” making him the latest 1990s icon to appear on the “Roseanne” sequel series. 1 5 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/71734-media-the-lanford-lean-times/page/8/#findComment-6958967
tessaray August 18, 2021 Share August 18, 2021 I'll pass. His semi-recurring role on Young Sheldon is seriously cringey. 1 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/71734-media-the-lanford-lean-times/page/8/#findComment-6959077
Mr. Sparkle August 19, 2021 Share August 19, 2021 I'm sure I'll watch it, but yeesh - that headshot. 2 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/71734-media-the-lanford-lean-times/page/8/#findComment-6959369
Jaded August 19, 2021 Share August 19, 2021 10 minutes ago, Superclam said: I'm sure I'll watch it, but yeesh - that headshot. Airbrushing/Photoshopping gone wrong. 1 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/71734-media-the-lanford-lean-times/page/8/#findComment-6959393
ESS August 26, 2021 Share August 26, 2021 The Conners Sets Live Premiere for Season 4, Unveils Puzzling New Poster 2 2 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/71734-media-the-lanford-lean-times/page/8/#findComment-6972886
ESS August 26, 2021 Share August 26, 2021 Season 4 Promo Video: 2 2 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/71734-media-the-lanford-lean-times/page/8/#findComment-6973087
ESS September 9, 2021 Share September 9, 2021 4x04: Trucking Live In Front of a Fully Vaccinated Studio Audience (this episode is the season 4 premiere it just hasn't been filmed yet as it's a Live episode so it'll be filmed on the 22nd, apparently 3 other episodes have been filmed though prior to this one) 9:00-9:31 p.m. - THE CONNERS: "Trucking Live In Front of a Fully Vaccinated Studio Audience" (404) (Season Premiere) Lights, Camera, Action: "The Conners" is going live for both the East and West Coast broadcasts of the season four premiere episode. This iconic TV family continues to deal with the current pandemic while navigating breakups and newfound sobriety, all while planning an upcoming wedding. http://www.thefutoncritic.com/listings/20210907abc07/ 3 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/71734-media-the-lanford-lean-times/page/8/#findComment-6995796
ESS September 16, 2021 Share September 16, 2021 https://tvline.com/lists/fall-season-premieres-2021-tv-spoilers-preview/batwoman-season-3/ Spoiler The live (!) Season 4 premiere picks up “about two weeks” after Ben rejected Darlene’s marriage proposal, showrunner Bruce Helford tells TVLine — and they “still haven’t discussed what Ben wants [moving forward].” Darlene remains “proactive,” as Helford puts it, “and that can go a lot of different ways.” One potential obstacle for the on-again/off-again couple: the return of Brian Austin Green, who, during his Dancing With the Stars journey, will reprise his role as Wellman floor worker Jeff. But regardless of what happens between Darlene and Ben, “You can pretty much guarantee that Ben and Darlene are [always going to be] part of each other’s lives now,” adds fellow EP Dave Caplan. “They have such a history now that they can’t just untangle, in the way that you might ordinarily do if you don’t stay together.” Plus, “Ben is so beloved by everybody else in the family that that’s kind of what makes it interesting going forward.” BONUS SPOILER!: The veteran sitcom is moving full speed ahead with the recently engaged Dan and Louise. “We’ve got the wedding coming up, so there are some things going on that involve that,” Helford previews. “There is a lot of romance involved in this [season opener], and there are big changes coming in these people’s lives. This is the beginning of that.” 3 5 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/71734-media-the-lanford-lean-times/page/8/#findComment-7008121
Cherpumple September 16, 2021 Share September 16, 2021 Re the spoiler, I'm not sure I'm on board with Helford's thinking, especially regarding the "obstacle" (please, tv gods, don't let that happen!). Spoiler Also, regarding all the "untangling" that he claims would be necessary for Ben and Darlene to go their separate ways, I just don't see it. Yeah, the family likes him, but he doesn't seem particularly close to the kids (which would be the biggest concern). And yes, they lived together for a while, but it was in DJ's childhood bedroom, so it's not like they have a ton of assets to divide. The only real "entanglement" I see is Dan's stake in the hardware store, which is inconsistent at best considering that Dan is planning to go off with Louise in an RV. I like the actor, and I used to like Ben as a character, but I REALLY don't want to draw this out into a will-they-or-won't-they. And, because it can't be said enough, there is no way on this good earth that I could believe Brian Austin Green's character would fall for sourpuss Darlene, so please PLEASE don't do this! However, I would fully support him dating Becky and would love to see that. 10 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/71734-media-the-lanford-lean-times/page/8/#findComment-7008172
qtpye September 16, 2021 Share September 16, 2021 4 hours ago, Cherpumple said: Re the spoiler, I'm not sure I'm on board with Helford's thinking, especially regarding the "obstacle" (please, tv gods, don't let that happen!). Hide contents Also, regarding all the "untangling" that he claims would be necessary for Ben and Darlene to go their separate ways, I just don't see it. Yeah, the family likes him, but he doesn't seem particularly close to the kids (which would be the biggest concern). And yes, they lived together for a while, but it was in DJ's childhood bedroom, so it's not like they have a ton of assets to divide. The only real "entanglement" I see is Dan's stake in the hardware store, which is inconsistent at best considering that Dan is planning to go off with Louise in an RV. I like the actor, and I used to like Ben as a character, but I REALLY don't want to draw this out into a will-they-or-won't-they. And, because it can't be said enough, there is no way on this good earth that I could believe Brian Austin Green's character would fall for sourpuss Darlene, so please PLEASE don't do this! However, I would fully support him dating Becky and would love to see that. Spoiler Yes, they just want to keep Ben on the show because people like the actor. There is no entanglement that can not be easily broken. In reality, Ben would probably be more than happy to get away from the Connor disfunction. 3 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/71734-media-the-lanford-lean-times/page/8/#findComment-7008301
Bastet September 16, 2021 Share September 16, 2021 Agree. There is absolutely nothing in Helford's description of the season that interests me, and if those two romantic relationships are what they're going to focus on, I'm going to get really bored really fast. Hopefully it plays better than it reads, and I only still watch out of inertia and nostalgia anyway. 3 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/71734-media-the-lanford-lean-times/page/8/#findComment-7008825
ESS September 16, 2021 Share September 16, 2021 Huge Dan & Louise spoilers (and an article) I'm so happy for my favorite couple! This is gonna be cute!! The Conners EP Teases 'Huge Wedding' for Dan and Louise: It's a 'Joyous' and 'Complicated' Moment for the Family 2 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/71734-media-the-lanford-lean-times/page/8/#findComment-7008877
Bastet September 16, 2021 Share September 16, 2021 I'm rather underwhelmed by them as a couple (I don't dislike the relationship, and found their trajectory from friendship to romantic love interesting, but haven't much cared about it once they got together), but that's the only promising tease from Helford I've read so far - hopefully they finally address some of the conflicting emotions the kids would inevitably feel, no matter how much they like Louise and are happy she's good for Dan. I'd particularly like to hear from D.J. (and think Michael Fishman could actually pull it off, given how close he and Roseanne used to be in real life), but all three have been short-changed so far in this storyline. I know the writers have to be careful, not wanting to remind the audience too much of Roseanne Barr, but Roseanne Conner's absence is much more significant in the characters' lives than has been shown (they moved at a natural pace and addressed the elephant in the room with Dan because John Goodman insisted on it, and we got a Jackie freak-out, but a "this is weird" conversation among the kids has been glaring in its absence) and Dan getting remarried ought to finally force them to deal with it. 5 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/71734-media-the-lanford-lean-times/page/8/#findComment-7008928
ESS September 17, 2021 Share September 17, 2021 More Spoilers For season 4! https://tvline.com/2021/09/17/greys-anatomy-season-18-spoilers-meredith-hayes/?fbclid=IwAR0KDXOT--I6ykbAN2X-eoTuU68oSIsGGj9UXKVxwwwienVpaifoK3sE928 I’m excited to hear The Conners‘ Dan and Louise get married! Do you have any other spoilers? –O.B. “We’re tackling a lot of really kind of tricky areas that we haven’t gone into before, and [exploring how] relationships are altered because of the change in what’s going to be going on with Dan and Louise, and Darlene and Ben,” exec producer Bruce Helford told TVLine during our in-depth Fall Preview Q&A. “Romance is in the air, and that affects Jackie, that affects Harris…. There are a lot of new beginnings for people and embarking on new paths in their lives.” 3 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/71734-media-the-lanford-lean-times/page/8/#findComment-7010896
ESS September 18, 2021 Share September 18, 2021 4x02: Education, Corruption, and Damnation Promotional Photos, Press Release https://www.spoilertv.com/2021/09/the-connors-episode-402-education.html 2 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/71734-media-the-lanford-lean-times/page/8/#findComment-7012021
ESS September 20, 2021 Share September 20, 2021 (edited) http://www.thefutoncritic.com/listings/20210920abc06/ 4x03: Sober Sex, Plastic Silverware, and Losing My Religion Press Release Part of Becky's recovery program mandates she make amends with people she has lied to over the years, leading her to meet up again with former high school friend Mikey to apologize for lying to him about her living a successful life. Meanwhile, Darlene visits with Pastor Phil (Jason Alexander), and Louise continues planning her wedding. Guest starring is Katey Sagal as Louise, Jason Alexander as Pastor Phil and Darien Sills-Evans as Mikey. Edited September 20, 2021 by ESS 2 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/71734-media-the-lanford-lean-times/page/8/#findComment-7016201
ESS September 21, 2021 Share September 21, 2021 4x03: Sober Sex, Plastic Silverware, and Losing My Religion Promotional Photos https://www.dgepress.com/abc/shows/the-conners/episodes/sober-sex-plastic-silverware-and-losing-my-religion/ 1 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/71734-media-the-lanford-lean-times/page/8/#findComment-7017585
ESS September 21, 2021 Share September 21, 2021 More spoilers for season 4! https://tvline.com/2021/09/21/the-conners-season-4-preview-becky-jackie-bev-returning/ Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/71734-media-the-lanford-lean-times/page/8/#findComment-7018122
ESS September 27, 2021 Share September 27, 2021 (edited) https://www.spoilertv.com/2021/09/the-conners-episode-404-wedding-of-dan.html 4x04: The Wedding Of Dan And Louise press release It’s Dan and Louise’s wedding day, but it’s a far-from-perfect walk down the aisle, especially when a weather report forecasts that a tornado is headed for Lanford creating chaos and surprises on “The Conners,” WEDNESDAY, OCT. 13 (9:00-9:31 p.m. EDT), on ABC. Watch episodes on demand and on Hulu the day following their premieres. Guest starring is Katey Sagal as Louise, Fred Savage as Dr. Harding and Nat Faxon as Neville. Edited September 27, 2021 by ESS 3 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/71734-media-the-lanford-lean-times/page/8/#findComment-7029049
ESS September 30, 2021 Share September 30, 2021 (edited) 4x04: The Wedding Of Dan And Louise Promotional Photos https://www.dgepress.com/abc/shows/the-conners/episodes/the-conners-the-wedding-of-dan-and-louise-10-13/ Edited September 30, 2021 by ESS 1 2 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/71734-media-the-lanford-lean-times/page/8/#findComment-7034934
peacheslatour September 30, 2021 Share September 30, 2021 9 minutes ago, ESS said: 4x04: The Wedding Of Dan And Louise Promotional Photos https://www.dgepress.com/abc/shows/the-conners/episodes/the-conners-the-wedding-of-dan-and-louise-10-13/ Aww, I was hoping to see her dress. 2 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/71734-media-the-lanford-lean-times/page/8/#findComment-7034944
ESS September 30, 2021 Share September 30, 2021 2 hours ago, peacheslatour said: Aww, I was hoping to see her dress. I think we still will see it. Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/71734-media-the-lanford-lean-times/page/8/#findComment-7035191
ESS October 5, 2021 Share October 5, 2021 (edited) 4x03 promo video. Edited October 5, 2021 by ESS 3 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/71734-media-the-lanford-lean-times/page/8/#findComment-7043810
ESS October 6, 2021 Share October 6, 2021 4x03 Promo Video 2: 1 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/71734-media-the-lanford-lean-times/page/8/#findComment-7044412
CrystalBlue October 6, 2021 Share October 6, 2021 15 minutes ago, ESS said: 4x03 Promo Video 2: Darlene isn't a spinster, as she's divorced with two children. Becky is a widow with one child. Do the writers on this show know what a spinster is? 3 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/71734-media-the-lanford-lean-times/page/8/#findComment-7044456
ESS October 12, 2021 Share October 12, 2021 https://tvline.com/2021/10/12/the-conners-season-4-dan-louise-wedding-video-fred-savage-preview/ 1 1 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/71734-media-the-lanford-lean-times/page/8/#findComment-7056084
ESS October 12, 2021 Share October 12, 2021 Another new scene from 4x04: 1 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/71734-media-the-lanford-lean-times/page/8/#findComment-7056825
ESS October 13, 2021 Share October 13, 2021 (edited) Get a first look at John Goodman and Katey Sagal in 'The Conners' wedding episode Edited October 13, 2021 by ESS 1 1 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/71734-media-the-lanford-lean-times/page/8/#findComment-7057053
ESS October 13, 2021 Share October 13, 2021 Spoiler According to what I read in that article Louise is missing and that's why she's not at the church! This what I was afraid of. I hope she's okay and that Dan finds her safe and sound so they can get married. 2 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/71734-media-the-lanford-lean-times/page/8/#findComment-7057346
ESS October 13, 2021 Share October 13, 2021 (edited) Another new promo for 4x04: http://www.thefutoncritic.com/listings/20211013abc02/ 4x05:Peter Pan, The Backup Plan, Adventures in Babysitting, and A River Runs Through It Press Release: (October 27th) The Conner home is decked out for Halloween despite the leak in the roof that forces Dan and Louise to cancel their honeymoon. But all is not lost when Becky surprises the newlyweds and takes them on a virtual adventure around the world. Meanwhile, Darlene continues her spiritual journey, and Harris introduces Aldo's children to the family, where more tricks than treats await. Guest starring is Katey Sagal as Louise and Tony Cavalero as Aldo. Edited October 14, 2021 by ESS 1 1 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/71734-media-the-lanford-lean-times/page/8/#findComment-7059027
ESS October 14, 2021 Share October 14, 2021 Spoilers for 4x04 and beyond!! Conners EPs Discuss Dan and Louise's 'Tumultuous' Wedding, MIA Guests — Plus, Was Tornado a Roseanne Nod? 2 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/71734-media-the-lanford-lean-times/page/8/#findComment-7059502
peacheslatour October 15, 2021 Share October 15, 2021 Katey Sagal got hit by a car while crossing the street and was taken to the hospital, but thankfully ... she's going to be okay. The "Sons of Anarchy" and 'Conners' star was struck by a car as she was crossing the street as a pedestrian Thursday in L.A. ... a source close to the actress tells TMZ. We're told the driver of the car did stop to help Katey, and she was transported by ambulance to a local hospital and treated for her injuries. Our source says they're not serious though, and she's expected to be released sometime Friday. It's currently unclear if the driver has been cited for the accident. 1 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/71734-media-the-lanford-lean-times/page/8/#findComment-7062285
Koalagirl October 15, 2021 Share October 15, 2021 Thankfully Katey had non-threatening injuries. https://pagesix.com/2021/10/15/katey-sagal-in-hospital-after-getting-hit-by-car-report/?_ga=2.96537311.172360034.1633627442-1688176950.1514581450 2 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/71734-media-the-lanford-lean-times/page/8/#findComment-7062368
Annber03 October 15, 2021 Share October 15, 2021 Wow, scary. Glad to hear she's okay. 2 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/71734-media-the-lanford-lean-times/page/8/#findComment-7062434
ESS October 15, 2021 Share October 15, 2021 2 hours ago, peacheslatour said: Katey Sagal got hit by a car while crossing the street and was taken to the hospital, but thankfully ... she's going to be okay. The "Sons of Anarchy" and 'Conners' star was struck by a car as she was crossing the street as a pedestrian Thursday in L.A. ... a source close to the actress tells TMZ. We're told the driver of the car did stop to help Katey, and she was transported by ambulance to a local hospital and treated for her injuries. Our source says they're not serious though, and she's expected to be released sometime Friday. It's currently unclear if the driver has been cited for the accident. Thank you for posting this! I was shocked. I'm so glad she's gonna be okay. People should be more careful! 😢 3 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/71734-media-the-lanford-lean-times/page/8/#findComment-7062547
ESS October 26, 2021 Share October 26, 2021 4x05: Peter Pan, The Backup Plan, Adventures in Babysitting, And A River Runs Through It - Promotional Photos + Press Release 4.05 - Peter Pan, The Backup Plan, Adventures in Babysitting, And A River Runs Through It - Promotional Photos + Press Release 4x06: Young Love, Old Love and Take This Job and Shove It - Promotional Photos + Press Release 4.06 - Young Love, Old Love and Take This Job and Shove It - Promotional Photos + Press Release 2 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/71734-media-the-lanford-lean-times/page/8/#findComment-7081982
ESS October 26, 2021 Share October 26, 2021 4x05 Video Promo: 3 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/71734-media-the-lanford-lean-times/page/8/#findComment-7082528
ESS October 31, 2021 Share October 31, 2021 Okay I'm not sure about this news, but I'll post it anyway. The Conners' Opening Credits Are Due for an Update — So What's the Holdup? 3 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/71734-media-the-lanford-lean-times/page/8/#findComment-7089794
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