S10.E10: You Broke the Penal Code

[weaver]

11 hours ago, Keywestclubkid said:

And I think she would have to have some kinda insurance if she is renting it out that can’t be inexpensive 

Yes that's true.  Can't you see Sonja on Judge Judy, claiming renters destroyed her property?  And Judy perusing the before and after pictures?

Sonja's townhouse is available for rent as of September, so its actually possible that she is really doing a major fix up to the interior.  Knowing Sonja, probably not.  But why else wouldn't it be available right now.  

According to this three year old article, Sonja took out a $3.3 million mortgage on the townhouse to settle the bankruptcy.  YIKES.  

http://www.realitytea.com/2015/06/18/sonja-morgans-ex-husband-admits-owing-3-million-wont-pay/

Edited June 9, 2018 by weaver

[QQQQ]

On 6/7/2018 at 10:11 PM, Giselle said:

 

If she had to sell the DIY repaired birkins she could. The eBay market of desperate wanna be in the "in-crowd" losers who would jump at the chance to say "This old thing... Why I've had it for ages!"

I misread birkins and thought you wrote merkins... Dying!!! 

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[SuprSuprElevated]

8 hours ago, Keywestclubkid said:

Why do I feel like Sonja watched way to many episodes of sex and the city and just molded her life after Samantha lol only it turned out much sadder 

Samantha worked for a living.  Other than that, yeah.  lol

[Guest]

14 hours ago, Jextella said:

 

Edited June 9, 2018 by artisto

[Chit Chat]

6 hours ago, breezy424 said:

Well, heck.  Dorinda has a job.  So has a job.  Ro has a job.  Carole has a job.  They all have a job.  They're on a reality show called the RHNYC.  Maybe to some, it doesn't count but the reality is that it does.  Just sayin....  And it pays pretty well...relatively speaking.

True, but I don't think they actually film for months on end, so I see this show as kind of a blip on their radar in terms of employment.  Seems like I've heard other housewives talk about how short a season it is in terms of filming. And although they get paid well, I imagine with their high-society lifestyle that they can probably spend that dough fairly quickly!  I do wonder what Dorinda is worth though.  She seems intelligent in how she's handling her money.  They all seem to handle their finances well, except for Sonja.  

[Alonzo Mosely FBI]

I don’t find vegan Sonja entertaining or funny in her fur hat eating cooked shrimp that she thinks is raw and yanking out garnish from a display. 

RIP Anthony Bourdain and Kate Spade. 

Who gonna check Sonja, boo? I think Sonja could be in real trouble. 

[Rap541]

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  I do wonder what Dorinda is worth though.  She seems intelligent in how she's handling her money.  They all seem to handle their finances well, except for Sonja.  

Dorinda, Ramona, Bethenny and Carole all seem to have a pretty good grip on money, keeping money, and how to use money. I'd almost include Luann but a) I think her finances are murkier and b) she doesn't appear to have significant income outside the show. She does appear to manage her show earnings well. 

Tinsley... I assume is wealthy due to the family. Which leaves Sonja and her messy messy situation

[AnnA]

9 hours ago, Jextella said:

Well, there is math to think about here.  Seems as if most of the women from the entire history of the NYC franchise have had issues with Bethenny.

 

What's the expression ....if it looks like a duck, swims like a duck, and quacks like a duck, then it probably is a duck. 

Enough women have taken issue with Bethenny over the years that I think it's safe for this viewer to assume that Bethenny is, in fact, offensive....at least on the show.

This doesn't mean the others don't have their moments or haven't incorrectly slammed Bethenny from time to time, but in the larger totality of things, Bethenny has major issues.

 

That's true but most of the women on NY have had issues with almost all of the others

It's well known that Bravo expects the HWs to "bring it" in order to keep their apple, orange, diamond, etc.   That's their job and one Bethenny does well.

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[ryebread]

5 hours ago, weaver said:

Sonja's townhouse is available for rent as of September, so its actually possible that she is really doing a major fix up to the interior.  Knowing Sonja, probably not.  But why else wouldn't it be available right now.  

Imo, NYC isn't the most pleasant place to be, environmentally speaking, in the summer. That's why so many (especially those with $$$) ditch it until the heat, humidity and pollution are under control.  I wouldn't rent in NYC in the summer, especially if I had $25k/month to play with.

[Rap541]

I have to agree with Anna - every housewife and housewife friendship has had schisms and breaks. Even the Sonja/Ramona and Luann/Jill buddy things have had breaks and arguments. Luann has been on the outs with every housewife. Ramona has been on the outs with every housewife. Sonja has been at odds with every housewife and so on. Even Carole has now officially been at odds with everyone now that she's on the outs with Bethenny. 

I mean, these women were literally refusing to sit next to Sonja but Bethenny is the one who is so offensive they can't stand being near her? 

I think the more obvious answer is that none of these women are really friends off screen and therefore they are less inclined to make any effort to maintain these on screen friendships. They know that Bethenny is, like it or not, popular and likely to get show focus so feuding with Bethenny guarantees screen time..

[zoeysmom]

10 hours ago, FozzyBear said:

I’m guessing, as a person who knows next to nothing about finance and finance law, that 2 things are happening simultaneously. 1. Her bankruptcy might have provisions in that make generating income less then attractive. As in she may still owe and if she does anything to make money such as rent out the townhouse it may be that it will be leaned on. In fact I wonder if renting out the townhouse would make it into a  commercial property up for grabs as settlement, while living in it keeps it off the table. As I said I am dumb about this stuff and don’t actually know. This brings us to 2: if she didn’t get that much in the divorce settlement maybe she’s been subsidizing her income with child support and if her daughter is getting close to 18 maybe she’s a little panicky about that going away.  

Sonja bankruptcy has been discharged for years.  She paid off the judgment which was nearly $10 million after interest and attorneys',fees she had to take a mortgage on her residence to satisfy the judgment.  In order to do so she had to settle her divorce with Morgan.

I think Sonja renting is as much of a story line as anything else.  My guess is Sonja is afraid of not being able to take care of herself in her golden years and is looking at various ways to generate income-RHONYC being the prime way and it requires a story line.  Sonja does something in Thailand every year and I believe that is an income generator.

[candle96]

22 hours ago, Rap541 said:

If it really took this long, then I assume we're allowed to point out that Carole is no where near as smart, clever, and perspective as she likes to think she is.

Bethenny's personality is not a mystery, and Carole doesn't deserve a gold star for being too dumb to notice. 

I think Carole noticed, but she didn't care because she and her Bethenny were there own little clique. She was fine with Bethenny being mean if it wasn't turned on her or served some purpose for Carole to remain "above" the other ladies. If anything, I think Carole knew  about it to use it to her advantage.

The problem with the type of friend like Bethenny is that they always turn their meanness towards you eventually. I figured that out in high school, not sure why it's taken Carole so long.

FTR, I'm a huge Bethenny fan, think her hostility comes from a lot of personal damage and wanting to avoid being hurt, but I would never want to be friends with her in real life. It would be exhausting.

[ryebread]

13 minutes ago, Rap541 said:

Dorinda, Ramona, Bethenny and Carole all seem to have a pretty good grip on money, keeping money, and how to use money.

I don't know if I'd include Carole, there. She's lazy when it comes to her 'craft'.  And then finds it necessary to take on some sketchy jobs, in addition to selling her lingerie, online, to bring in money.  

I mean, a girl's gotta do what a girl's gotta do to pay the rent, but I just can't include her in the same group as Bethenny, Dorinda, Ramona when it comes to making, keeping, and using money wisely.

Remember Carole's jewelry line? Not much more successful than Sonja’s toaster ovens.  

[sasha206]

28 minutes ago, Rap541 said:

I have to agree with Anna - every housewife and housewife friendship has had schisms and breaks. Even the Sonja/Ramona and Luann/Jill buddy things have had breaks and arguments. Luann has been on the outs with every housewife. Ramona has been on the outs with every housewife. Sonja has been at odds with every housewife and so on. Even Carole has now officially been at odds with everyone now that she's on the outs with Bethenny. 

I mean, these women were literally refusing to sit next to Sonja but Bethenny is the one who is so offensive they can't stand being near her? 

I think the more obvious answer is that none of these women are really friends off screen and therefore they are less inclined to make any effort to maintain these on screen friendships. They know that Bethenny is, like it or not, popular and likely to get show focus so feuding with Bethenny guarantees screen time..

And this is on every single franchise on Bravo.  It seems across every franchise is this:

(1) Friendship breakup one season,

(2) Friendship make up next season,

(3) Someone not invited,

(4) Someone gets engaged,

(5) Someone gets married,

(6) Someone gets divorced,

(7) Someone thinks they're pregnant (even at the age of 50s),

(8) Someone tries to get pregnant and consults a fertility specialist (even in their 50s)

(9) Someone launches a brand/product (usually cosmetics, wine, clothing line)

(10) Someone trots out their "gays" 

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[Rap541]

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I don't know if I'd include Carole, there. She's lazy when it comes to her 'craft'.  And then finds it necessary to take on some sketchy jobs, in addition to selling her lingerie, online, to bring in money.  

So we put her in the second tier with Luann. :)

Which I am sure she'll appreciate. :D

More seriously, the props I give Carole is that she does seem to have some awareness of how much money she has versus how much she can be stupid with money.

[zoeysmom]

3 hours ago, ChitChat said:

True, but I don't think they actually film for months on end, so I see this show as kind of a blip on their radar in terms of employment.  Seems like I've heard other housewives talk about how short a season it is in terms of filming. And although they get paid well, I imagine with their high-society lifestyle that they can probably spend that dough fairly quickly!  I do wonder what Dorinda is worth though.  She seems intelligent in how she's handling her money.  They all seem to handle their finances well, except for Sonja.  

They film for about four months with another month of pre-production and post production.  Then once the show starts airing they are on a PR cycle.  The RH schedule is close to a teaching position as far as required days.  Finding a 9-5 job is difficult because they lose a lot of filming time-Alex Season 1 was a good example,  They all seem to travel when the cameras are down and enjoy their second homes.  

Dorinda's late husband was wealthy, and he also had two minor children and divorced shortly before meeting Dorinda.  Dorinda met and married him in the same calendar year.  She has the Berkshires property and I am sure he made sure she was provided for with some sort of life estate in the UES apartment and regular payments maybe from the sale of his business?  Although I do believe the business was not sold just closed after Richard's passing.  II think Dorinda needs the RH money every as much as everyone except Bethenny.   

[AnnA]

6 minutes ago, candle96 said:

I think Carole noticed, but she didn't care because she and her Bethenny were there own little clique. She was fine with Bethenny being mean if it wasn't turned on her or served some purpose for Carole to remain "above" the other ladies. If anything, I think Carole knew  about it to use it to her advantage.

The problem with the type of friend like Bethenny is that they always turn their meanness towards you eventually. I figured that out in high school, not sure why it's taken Carole so long.

FTR, I'm a huge Bethenny fan, think her hostility comes from a lot of personal damage and wanting to avoid being hurt, but I would never want to be friends with her in real life. It would be exhausting.

I think it's more than that.  

Carole has her own mean streak so it was easy for her to be comfortable with Bethenny.  

[Persnickety1]

13 hours ago, WireWrap said:

Sonja already thinks she knows it all, she came on this show claiming she was a "party/social event planner", that people paid her to throw parties for them! Of course it was a lie, no one was paying her to do anything, let alone host/throw parties. She could never work for someone else either because they would expect her to actually "work" and IMO, Sonja is allergic, deathly allergic, to working! Also, Sonja only socializes for her own benefit, not anyone else's, she is scouting her next meal ticket with a large bank account and his final resting plot already purchased. LOL

And let's not forget that anniversary event she did for Aviva and Reid back a few seasons ago...

Where there was only liquor...no food, only a cake, no utensils with which to serve said cake, and my personal favorite, the "band" she hired to perform the special anniversary song for Aviva and Reid.

I think that might have been the last we heard about the "Sonja and the City" catering/party planning company...thank gawd.  

[zoeysmom]

18 minutes ago, Rap541 said:

I have to agree with Anna - every housewife and housewife friendship has had schisms and breaks. Even the Sonja/Ramona and Luann/Jill buddy things have had breaks and arguments. Luann has been on the outs with every housewife. Ramona has been on the outs with every housewife. Sonja has been at odds with every housewife and so on. Even Carole has now officially been at odds with everyone now that she's on the outs with Bethenny. 

I mean, these women were literally refusing to sit next to Sonja but Bethenny is the one who is so offensive they can't stand being near her? 

I think the more obvious answer is that none of these women are really friends off screen and therefore they are less inclined to make any effort to maintain these on screen friendships. They know that Bethenny is, like it or not, popular and likely to get show focus so feuding with Bethenny guarantees screen time..

When were Luann and Jill ever on the outs?  Even Kelly and Luann have had only a few words.  

Jill, Luann and Kelly are friends off screen and the others seem to have supported Jill in charity.  I do believe Carole might be a little worried about the return of Jill because she is the only without a prior relationship with her.  

It seems the deadly off season friend is Ramona-she is the one that started all the crap between Luann and Bethenny the year of the take down in the Berkshires.   This year she is majorly sucking up to Jill.  Ramona knows how to leech on to others troubles for camera time.  Interesting I see Ramona doing the same thing all over again-only Bethenny is her target this year.  Ramona has a way of rearranging the truth to cause ire in others.  For example, Bethenny never said Carole was lonely or depressed-she said she was sad.  There was nothing wrong with what Bethenny said-it was her opinion based on Carole being such a sad sack.  Carole was also a shit stirrer at the party.  Do these people not watch the show and see how manipulative Ramona is?  Luann seems to be the only to see how awful Ramona is, who has now befriended Luann's arch enemy Carole.

[sasha206]

1 minute ago, AnnA said:

I think it's more than that.  

Carole has her own mean streak so it was easy for her to be comfortable with Bethenny.  

Agreed.

I have a love/hate thing with Carole.  I think she viewed Bethenney, because of her success, as being her "equal."  Same with Heather.  I think she viewed the rest of the Housewives as beneath her intellectually.  Tinsley, I think she cares for because even though she's kind of a silly person and very girlish, she has a certain charm, had moved in some high social circles, and has a sense of humor about her past.  She's very likable.  

I do think the schism between Beth and Carole is legit.  I think during the election, Beth started treating Carole as an annoyance too.  I think initially Beth was very impressed by Carole and her connections and also viewed her as an equal (as much as Beth can view someone to be on her level).  I think at some point Beth started viewing her as Tinsley for the most part -- a woman who is in her 50s but dating an "operator" and clinging desperately on to him.  Once Beth starts losing respect for someone, she's mean -- even if she does love them.  I don't see Carole as being like that with a close friend and  I think that shocked her to be on the receiving end of Beth's jabs.  I think that started last season and probably the resentment was starting to build.

On last episode, I loved it when Ramona ripped into Beth.  She's exactly right in all she said.

[Rap541]

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When were Luann and Jill ever on the outs? 

Jill hasn't been on the show since season four and therefore loses relevance in the discussion. Likewise Kelly. Frankly, ON THE SHOW Bethenny never was on the outs with Alex but I don't consider that relevant since Alex left the show years and years ago. Likewise Sonja never was on the outs with Kelly but Kelly also left the show. 

I'm trying to keep to the current seasons and Jill hasn't been a regular since season four, and she wouldn't be in an upcoming episode if her husband hadn't died.  

[WireWrap]

8 minutes ago, zoeysmom said:

When were Luann and Jill ever on the outs?  Even Kelly and Luann have had only a few words.  

Jill, Luann and Kelly are friends off screen and the others seem to have supported Jill in charity.  I do believe Carole might be a little worried about the return of Jill because she is the only without a prior relationship with her.  

It seems the deadly off season friend is Ramona-she is the one that started all the crap between Luann and Bethenny the year of the take down in the Berkshires.   This year she is majorly sucking up to Jill.  Ramona knows how to leech on to others troubles for camera time.  Interesting I see Ramona doing the same thing all over again-only Bethenny is her target this year.  Ramona has a way of rearranging the truth to cause ire in others.  For example, Bethenny never said Carole was lonely or depressed-she said she was sad.  There was nothing wrong with what Bethenny said-it was her opinion based on Carole being such a sad sack.  Carole was also a shit stirrer at the party.  Do these people not watch the show and see how manipulative Ramona is?  Luann seems to be the only to see how awful Ramona is, who has now befriended Luann's arch enemy Carole.

We all know editing is at play here and I don't doubt that there is always more to any conversation than what we hear/see. I think it is very possible that Bethenny elaborated more about Carole beyond "sad", she can't keep any opinion to herself. LOL Of course, that doesn't mean that Ramona was right in passing the info along to Carole but it is part/parcel to being a HW and at some point, the HW in question will "hear" what is said about her because it was said on camera, that is if it makes it past editing. LOL

[Persnickety1]

19 minutes ago, sasha206 said:

On last episode, I loved it when Ramona ripped into Beth.  She's exactly right in all she said.

And that was one of the most coherent conversations I've ever heard from Ramona.  I figured that call must have happened in the morning before Ramona started hitting the pinot.  

21 minutes ago, zoeysmom said:

Do these people not watch the show and see how manipulative Ramona is?  Luann seems to be the only to see how awful Ramona is, who has now befriended Luann's arch enemy Carole.

Ramona is like a shark smelling blood in the water, especially when she finds someone's Achilles heel.

Whenever I watch the Hope Ranch episode where the women prepared a meal together for cancer patients/families, as soon as Ramona knew she had struck a nerve with LuAnn about her marrying a man "twice your age," she was on that shit like white on rice.  The best parts were when the camera would pan to Ramona's face and she was trying to hide her smirk as she kept "innocently" going in on the age difference.  She really pissed off LuAnn in that episode and loved every second of it (and so did I, even though Ramona and her physical and verbal twitchiness usually bug the crap out of me).  

[sasha206]

3 minutes ago, Persnickety1 said:

And that was one of the most coherent conversations I've ever heard from Ramona.  I figured that call must have happened in the morning before Ramona started hitting the pinot.  

Ha, indeed!  Every now and then Ramona surprises me with some good insight and a coherent argument!

[zoeysmom]

10 minutes ago, WireWrap said:

We all know editing is at play here and I don't doubt that there is always more to any conversation than what we hear/see. I think it is very possible that Bethenny elaborated more about Carole beyond "sad", she can't keep any opinion to herself. LOL Of course, that doesn't mean that Ramona was right in passing the info along to Carole but it is part/parcel to being a HW and at some point, the HW in question will "hear" what is said about her because it was said on camera, that is if it makes it past editing. LOL

I think Bethenny was being fake concerned about Carole and was wanting someone to comment that Carole was still angry at Bethenny.  In no way would I take Bethenny's comments as back biting.  I do believe that s why Bethenny chose her words carefully with Ramona when she called her and Ramona did just a big vomit of accusations.  I do think Ramona revels in Bethenny and Carole being on the outs ever since Ramona cemented her fate by bringing up the nude movie scene-another desperate Ramona attempt to be relevant.

I feel like Ramona's time is running out on the show.  She is desperate for any kind of camera time and bitching about Bethenny is filling the bill.  There is just no way Carole, the afraid of aging princess wants to hang with Ramona unless it is for the show.  Ramona, Carole and Dorinda have become the agitators.  They need to follow Luann and Tinsley lead and enjoy life a little more. As much as Andy loves the OG schtick, Ramona isn't even a particularly good WWHL guest.  There is nothing interesting about a skin care line as they have been done to death on the RH franchises.

Carole just needs to be smarter than to listen to Dorinda and Ramona-she has been around them for years and knows they are "fake news" for the most part.

[HunterHunted]

5 hours ago, weaver said:

Yes that's true.  Can't you see Sonja on Judge Judy, claiming renters destroyed her property?  And Judy perusing the before and after pictures?

Sonja's townhouse is available for rent as of September, so its actually possible that she is really doing a major fix up to the interior.  Knowing Sonja, probably not.  But why else wouldn't it be available right now.  

According to this three year old article, Sonja took out a $3.3 million mortgage on the townhouse to settle the bankruptcy.  YIKES.  

http://www.realitytea.com/2015/06/18/sonja-morgans-ex-husband-admits-owing-3-million-wont-pay/

Old Man Morgan bought it for $9.1 million in 1998. She owes her bankruptcy attorneys $350,000. Most real estate agents say that her townhouse would sell for mid to low $6 million. If you add in taxes, fees, commissions, and what have you, Sonja is definitely not walking out of there with any more than $2 million. She knows she's not going to get the type of place she wants in the neighborhood she wants for that type of money. You can tell she wants at least a 3 bedroom place (spacious master bedroom and closet, a bedroom for her daughter, and a room to turn into an office/closet). There are absolutely some deals as you get closer to Harlem, but I don't think Sonja would ever consider them because she's such a snob.

[Persnickety1]

7 minutes ago, zoeysmom said:

I think Bethenny was being fake concerned about Carole and was wanting someone to comment that Carole was still angry at Bethenny.  In no way would I take Bethenny's comments as back biting.  I do believe that s why Bethenny chose her words carefully with Ramona when she called her and Ramona did just a big vomit of accusations.  I do think Ramona revels in Bethenny and Carole being on the outs ever since Ramona cemented her fate by bringing up the nude movie scene-another desperate Ramona attempt to be relevant.

I feel like Ramona's time is running out on the show.  She is desperate for any kind of camera time and bitching about Bethenny is filling the bill.  There is just no way Carole, the afraid of aging princess wants to hang with Ramona unless it is for the show.  Ramona, Carole and Dorinda have become the agitators.  They need to follow Luann and Tinsley lead and enjoy life a little more. As much as Andy loves the OG schtick, Ramona isn't even a particularly good WWHL guest.  There is nothing interesting about a skin care line as they have been done to death on the RH franchises.

Carole just needs to be smarter than to listen to Dorinda and Ramona-she has been around them for years and knows they are "fake news" for the most part.

And Ramona already had her swing at the bat with that TruReNeWaL or whatever the name of that epic fail was, and I'm going to go way out on a limb here and predict this new one will be no different.  

I was pleasantly surprised in this episode when she did manage to correctly pronounce "entrepreneurial."  

I'm still hoping she attended Tom's party and gets outed for it.  

[Otherkate]

Carole was so upset by the "Carole seems sad" comment because it implied that she was upset by the Adam break up and she simply can not have anyone thinking that.

[AnnA]

19 minutes ago, Otherkate said:

Carole was so upset by the "Carole seems sad" comment because it implied that she was upset by the Adam break up and she simply can not have anyone thinking that.

I wonder if Carole actually looks in the mirror.   She always looks sad.   She just has that type of face (puss).

[zoeysmom]

33 minutes ago, HunterHunted said:

Old Man Morgan bought it for $9.1 million in 1998. She owes her bankruptcy attorneys $350,000. Most real estate agents say that her townhouse would sell for mid to low $6 million. If you add in taxes, fees, commissions, and what have you, Sonja is definitely not walking out of there with any more than $2 million. She knows she's not going to get the type of place she wants in the neighborhood she wants for that type of money. You can tell she wants at least a 3 bedroom place (spacious master bedroom and closet, a bedroom for her daughter, and a room to turn into an office/closet). There are absolutely some deals as you get closer to Harlem, but I don't think Sonja would ever consider them because she's such a snob.

I cannot imagine why Sonja would take a 30% loss on the house.  Not something often heard about Sonja she is thinking by sitting on it and hoping the market comes up.  I think it has gone up to $7.3 million-which still makes Sonja the one with the most expensive city property.

Maybe Sonja will follow suit, find herself a nice country house and spend her time travelling, rent when filming-like Luann, and carry on.  Even Ramona has her house on the market and said she will rent.  I knew there was no way Ramona could carry both the Hamptons house and the city house forever.

Isn;t Sonja the one who is "afraid" to leave her neighberhood" except when travelling to Mexico and Thailand?

[ButterQueen]

Lu looked gorgeous in her TH’s.  Loved her dress.

Bethenney, please STFU.  You gave me a headache with your rapid fire talking AT Carole.  Carole could barely speak.

Tinsley annoyed me this episode.

Sonja, please stop, just stop.  I am now fast forwarding through your scenes.

[AnnA]

22 minutes ago, ButterQueen said:

Lu looked gorgeous in her TH’s.  Loved her dress.

Bethenney, please STFU.  You gave me a headache with your rapid fire talking AT Carole.  Carole could barely speak.

Tinsley annoyed me this episode.

Sonja, please stop, just stop.  I am now fast forwarding through your scenes.

Bethenny was far from her usual rapid fire talking in this episode.    

It wasn't that Carole couldn't speak.   IMO she had nothing much to say.  

She doesn't want to admit that Adam used her and she's devastated over their breakup.  She also needs a storyline so now that she's without Adam, fighting with Bethenny is all she's got.

ETA:  Tinsley annoys me all the time

Edited June 9, 2018 by AnnA

[Yours Truly]

On 6/7/2018 at 7:34 PM, UsernameFatigue said:

I just read Tamara Tattles purple pen take down of Carole's latest blog. It is brilliant, and so spot on. I am always amused at Carole's defense of Adam. at how he was working as a chef for Luann and making next to nothing. Carole seems totally blinded to the fact that if Adam were capable of making more than next to nothing, he certainly could have by not living off Lu, and getting a real job. He obviously was not all that ambitious, and preferred the lifestyle that Lu could offer. FFS, the guy was in his late 20s then. Please don't make him out to be some young, starving artist being taken advantage of, Carole. Sheesh. 

Interesting comment from a reader at the end of the blog. Apparently Carole's friend lost her husband last May, and by this past Valentine's day was in a hot and heavy committed lesbian relationship with Samantha Ronson. So it doesn't appear as if Carole's visit to California at Christmas was to comfort a grieving widow, as her visit last summer was. Not that there is anything wrong with that of course, but I wonder if Carole will continue the narrative of sacrificing her time to comfort a grieving friend. 

May-Feb is nine months. I don't see how this negates Carole's narrative about comforting a grieving friend. Whatever kind of marriage they had doesn't mean that his death wouldn't be something she would grieve over. Maybe all the rallying around her is what facilitated the new relationship. Bad times brings people together and the after math of grieving usually puts a lot of things in perspective. Maybe the wife decided to finally live her truth and all the support she received after his death gave her the strength to pursue her true lifestyle. 

And I don't even like Carole. LOL

[sasha206]

56 minutes ago, AnnA said:

I wonder if Carole actually looks in the mirror.   She always looks sad.   She just has that type of face (puss).

Agreed.

She's clearly in love with Adam.  Upset by the breakup.  But it's an ego-bruise so she'd rather have everyone think it's mutual and she's as cool, calm, collected as always.  It's a facade.  My heart aches for her in one way, but as an almost 51 year old widow, I wouldn't get involved with someone so young unless it was just for a good fuck!

[CharlizeCat]

How about a general "Thuck You" party to thank Dorinda for the nutcracker, congratulate Carole on completing the marathon and to welcome Luann back from rehab! SK and Ramona's skincare line could jointly sponsor it. 

The expression on Dr. Lewis' face when Ramona referred to herself as "intelligent" was priceless. I wish somebody had a GIF. 

I am inclined to agree with those who think at least part of Sonja's WTF-ery is an act.  She needs a story line badly, but at least what she's offering is a helluva lot more entertaining than Carole vs. Bethenney. 

[zoeysmom]

10 minutes ago, Yours Truly said:

May-Feb is nine months. I don't see how this negates Carole's narrative about comforting a grieving friend. Whatever kind of marriage they had doesn't mean that his death wouldn't be something she would grieve over. Maybe all the rallying around her is what facilitated the new relationship. Bad times brings people together and the after math of grieving usually puts a lot of things in perspective. Maybe the wife decided to finally live her truth and all the support she received after his death gave her the strength to pursue her true lifestyle. 

And I don't even like Carole. LOL

Carole's grieving friend had endless amount of photographs of Kim Kardashian, Kris Jenner and other friends as well as Carole.  She seemed able to push through and continuing working after her husband sadly passed.  Carole went and stayed in California for about two weeks at Christmas and she spent Thanksgiving with her and some time in the early summer.  It was nice of Carole to do so and I also remind myself Carole has a home in California and regularly visits.   There were also trips to Puerto Rico (pre disaster), Vermont, and Spain.    She was in LA for a couple of days in August and September but also the Bahamas It may be a little skewed that she was at her friend's side throughout.  It looked more like she visited for a few days at a time between May and September

I do think Carole could have taken time to text, e mail or phone Bethenny.  I am sure there was time to discuss the Luann arrest with others and production. 

[Jel]

24 minutes ago, CharlizeCat said:

How about a general "Thuck You" party to thank Dorinda for the nutcracker, congratulate Carole on completing the marathon and to welcome Luann back from rehab! SK and Ramona's skincare line could jointly sponsor it. 

The expression on Dr. Lewis' face when Ramona referred to herself as "intelligent" was priceless. I wish somebody had a GIF. 

I am inclined to agree with those who think at least part of Sonja's WTF-ery is an act.  She needs a story line badly, but at least what she's offering is a helluva lot more entertaining than Carole vs. Bethenney. 

Me three.  Hammy acting and a "wacky" score.  I never thought washing her gonch in her bidet would end up being the classier of her underwear scenes, but here we are. 

And in some ways, she might be just a good time gal who is pretty harmless, but she ain't that nice if she wears fur and gives away her pets.  

Good day, Sonja.

I could not understand why Carole had her knickers in such a knot about the "operator' comment until I realized she thought that Adam's operating was a reflection on her. Now I get why she's so upset. Agree with those who said she's projecting her feelings about Adam -- the breakup and the fear that people will see her as one of his operatin' victims -- onto Bethenny. I mean Bethenny made a couple cracks in her THs (um, Carole are you new?), she, ZOINKS!, invited Adam somewhere without first asking Carole! (YES, SHE REALLY DID THAT! types Carole, as many of us think, "So?") and she's aggressive (again, new or stupid or alarmingly unobservant?). None of that adds up to Carole's OTT reaction -- the blogs, the tweets, the shit stirring comments ("She didn't even thank you" to Dorinda, "Beth called Lu a loser" for two). Carole is in a near psychic panic that Adam may not have seen her as the devil-may-care ageless 54 year old, junk food loving girl that she thought she was coming across as.  IMO.

She's coming across as bitter and that's never a good look, especially from someone who spends as much time working the "I'm above it" vibe as does Carole.  

[WireWrap]

2 hours ago, zoeysmom said:

I think Bethenny was being fake concerned about Carole and was wanting someone to comment that Carole was still angry at Bethenny.  In no way would I take Bethenny's comments as back biting.  I do believe that s why Bethenny chose her words carefully with Ramona when she called her and Ramona did just a big vomit of accusations.  I do think Ramona revels in Bethenny and Carole being on the outs ever since Ramona cemented her fate by bringing up the nude movie scene-another desperate Ramona attempt to be relevant.

I feel like Ramona's time is running out on the show.  She is desperate for any kind of camera time and bitching about Bethenny is filling the bill.  There is just no way Carole, the afraid of aging princess wants to hang with Ramona unless it is for the show.  Ramona, Carole and Dorinda have become the agitators.  They need to follow Luann and Tinsley lead and enjoy life a little more. As much as Andy loves the OG schtick, Ramona isn't even a particularly good WWHL guest.  There is nothing interesting about a skin care line as they have been done to death on the RH franchises.

Carole just needs to be smarter than to listen to Dorinda and Ramona-she has been around them for years and knows they are "fake news" for the most part.

Bethenny flat out accused Ramona of doing something Sonja did, which was tell Carole what Bethenny said about her after she left. Yes, Ramona is enjoying the rift between them as is Sonja, who needs to be up Bethenny's butt far more than any of the others. LOL

I thought they should have fired Ramona after throwing the plastic wine glass/cutting Kristen's lip and then attempting to lob the oar at her head as well but for some reason, Andy loves his "OGs", even cancer scamming/lying Vicki can do not wrong/cross a line too big. So, I think Ramona is safe.

I suspect that Dorinda/Ramona aren't Carole's only source of info, production is also known to tell each HW what the others have said about them in their absence. 

[SweetieDarling]

38 minutes ago, WireWrap said:

Bethenny flat out accused Ramona of doing something Sonja did, which was tell Carole what Bethenny said about her after she left. Yes, Ramona is enjoying the rift between them as is Sonja, who needs to be up Bethenny's butt far more than any of the others. LOL

I thought they should have fired Ramona after throwing the plastic wine glass/cutting Kristen's lip and then attempting to lob the oar at her head as well but for some reason, Andy loves his "OGs", even cancer scamming/lying Vicki can do not wrong/cross a line too big. So, I think Ramona is safe.

I suspect that Dorinda/Ramona aren't Carole's only source of info, production is also known to tell each HW what the others have said about them in their absence. 

I'm not sure they're enjoying the rift as much as they're enjoying watching someone Carole stand up to and hold her own against Bethenny. YMMV.

[AnnA]

28 minutes ago, SweetieDarling said:

I'm not sure they're enjoying the rift as much as they're enjoying watching someone Carole stand up to and hold her own against Bethenny. YMMV.

IMO the Carole/Bethenny rift is a joke.    Carole desperately needs a storyline and Bethenny is letting her have one.  Carole is trying hard to act tough and Bethenny is holding back and not being as tough as she usually is.

Edited June 9, 2018 by AnnA

[Keywestclubkid]

57 minutes ago, AnnA said:

IMO the Carole/Bethenny rift is a joke.    Carole desperately needs a storyline and Bethenny is letting her have one.  Carole is trying hard to act tough and Bethenny is holding back and not being as tough as she usually is.

 

How does Bethany starting this whole fight end up on Carole? Episode one Bethany was talking smack about Carole cut to episode 7/8 when finally Carole figured it out. Carole must be some master manipulator to get Bethany to start all this yet still be accused of doing it herself for a storyline......What I think happened is Bethany was talking shit before filming started ( the article that Carole shut down about the rift) she assumes that Carole heard and is going to talk shit during filmin so she comes in guns blazing (I won’t look a fool with you talking about me) Carole on the other hand thinks that it’s not true and her and Beth are still solid.. then getting jabs and looks during filming Carole starts putting two and two together cut to Ramona and dorinda confirming that yes Bethany is talking about you behind your back and here we are now Bethany looks psychotic for apparently feuding with herself(thinking Carole was talking shit to when she wasn’t) half the season and alienating herself from 90% of the cast. so she goes back to Carole to try to mend ...... that’s just my take   I am honestly bored with the whole thing no one is 100% innocent in this just the fact that all the blame is being placed on Carole is what bugs me. 

Edited June 9, 2018 by Keywestclubkid

[HunterHunted]

3 hours ago, zoeysmom said:

I cannot imagine why Sonja would take a 30% loss on the house.  Not something often heard about Sonja she is thinking by sitting on it and hoping the market comes up.  I think it has gone up to $7.3 million-which still makes Sonja the one with the most expensive city property.

She might be willing to take a "30% loss" because the old man bought a slightly undersized townhouse next to a busy garage in the middle of the housing bubble. They then put a million into renovating it. He overpaid just like millions of other Americans. And I do think she's waiting until the prices come back up. I just think she'll be waiting a long time, especially because she's been on TV for the better part of a decade showing her home crumbling into bits.

3 hours ago, zoeysmom said:

Maybe Sonja will follow suit, find herself a nice country house and spend her time travelling, rent when filming-like Luann, and carry on.  Even Ramona has her house on the market and said she will rent.  I knew there was no way Ramona could carry both the Hamptons house and the city house forever.

Isn't Sonja the one who is "afraid" to leave her neighberhood" except when travelling to Mexico and Thailand?

I don't particularly like Sonja, but even I want her to rid herself of the house and downsize to something smaller and more affordable.

[hoodooznoodooz]

2 hours ago, CharlizeCat said:

How about a general "Thuck You" party to thank Dorinda for the nutcracker, congratulate Carole on completing the marathon and to welcome Luann back from rehab! SK and Ramona's skincare line could jointly sponsor it. 

The expression on Dr. Lewis' face when Ramona referred to herself as "intelligent" was priceless. I wish somebody had a GIF. 

I am inclined to agree with those who think at least part of Sonja's WTF-ery is an act.  She needs a story line badly, but at least what she's offering is a helluva lot more entertaining than Carole vs. Bethenney. 

Someone upthread mentioned that Sonja also does weird stuff between seasons. I started rewatching the season Beth comes back. It reminded me that Sonja made a spectacle of herself at Molly Ringwald’s show.

Also, Carole was really bonding with Lu at the beginning of that season.

[ghoulina]

15 hours ago, Jextella said:

Well, there is math to think about here.  Seems as if most of the women from the entire history of the NYC franchise have had issues with Bethenny.

 

What's the expression ....if it looks like a duck, swims like a duck, and quacks like a duck, then it probably is a duck. 

Enough women have taken issue with Bethenny over the years that I think it's safe for this viewer to assume that Bethenny is, in fact, offensive....at least on the show.

This doesn't mean the others don't have their moments or haven't incorrectly slammed Bethenny from time to time, but in the larger totality of things, Bethenny has major issues.

I think they ALL have issues. Most reality show stars have. Most of them have taken issue with Ramona over the years. Sonja and Lu have had their share of run-ins with other cast members. 

Even though I mostly enjoy her, I can see why people might bristle at Bethenny. It's not that I find her so perfect that there's nothing to call her out on; it's that they're calling her out on stupid shit - Nutcrackers and snarky little comments that they ALL make. 

I just wonder about the timing of it all. She's on the outs with Carole and now they're all piling on. It feels petty and disingenuous. 

4 hours ago, Otherkate said:

Carole was so upset by the "Carole seems sad" comment because it implied that she was upset by the Adam break up and she simply can not have anyone thinking that.

Yup. No matter what turn that relationship takes, she has to come off as totally okay with it, it was maybe even her idea. 

[AnnA]

26 minutes ago, ghoulina said:

 

Even though I mostly enjoy her, I can see why people might bristle at Bethenny. It's not that I find her so perfect that there's nothing to call her out on; it's that they're calling her out on stupid shit - Nutcrackers and snarky little comments that they ALL make. 

I just wonder about the timing of it all. She's on the outs with Carole and now they're all piling on. It feels petty and disingenuous. 

 

It is petty and disingenuous..

I'm a fan and enjoy her a lot but Bethenny is a smart ass.  She has been since day one, season one but let's get all bent out of shape and pile on her because she's being the smart ass she's always been.   Duh!

Edited June 9, 2018 by AnnA

[WireWrap]

1 hour ago, SweetieDarling said:

I'm not sure they're enjoying the rift as much as they're enjoying watching someone Carole stand up to and hold her own against Bethenny. YMMV.

I think it's both, they are enjoying the rift as well as enjoying watching Carole hold her own. LOL

[Chit Chat]

6 minutes ago, AnnA said:

She has been since day one, season one but let's get all bent out of shape and pile on her because she's being the smart ass she's always been.   Duh!

Maybe they're tired of putting up with her abrasive behavior and are delusional enough to think that she'll change.  ;)   It's like when people think that they can slowly change things about their significant other, but it doesn't usually work that way.  I don't see much personal growth in any of these ladies.  They're all about the same personality-wise as they were years ago.  Bethenny would be exhausting to me.  She can be as good as gold to people, but then again, watching her THs, she can bitch about them endlessly.  She tends to pick apart the little things they do.  I could not be friends with anybody who would talk about me the way these ladies do about each other.  

[WireWrap]

10 minutes ago, AnnA said:

It is petty and disingenuous..

I'm a fan and enjoy her a lot but Bethenny is a smart ass.  She has been since day one, season one but let's get all bent out of shape and pile on her because she's being the smart ass she's always been.   Duh!

Bethenny went from being a funny smart ass in the early years to being a mean nasty know it all since she came back to the show. She is not the same person that she was then, she is just plain cruel now. 

[WhoaWhoKnew]

3 minutes ago, WireWrap said:

Bethenny went from being a funny smart ass in the early years to being a mean nasty know it all since she came back to the show. She is not the same person that she was then, she is just plain cruel now. 

She seems very miserable and unhappy now, which she was not in the beginning. The only time she seemed at all happy to me since she came back to the show was when Luann told her she was right about Tom.

[AnnA]

All the HWs are nasty in their THs and they've all gotten meaner over the years.