S10.E04: War and P.O.S

[WireWrap]

9 minutes ago, RedheadZombie said:

To be honest, I think she's simply passing time until Quincy inherits from her father, and Sonja lives off of her daughter.

He has 3 kids and a wife that I assume will inherit his money, whatever is left, and it is possible that Quincy's will be in the form of a trust until she reaches a certain age. So, there may not be enough money for Quincy to keep her mother in the lifestyle Sonja wants and live her own life at the same time.

[lezlers]

On ‎4‎/‎26‎/‎2018 at 3:14 PM, bichonblitz said:

Sonja blew it. Season after season all she did was brag about being a carefree single gal in the city, having sex with no strings attached and so proud of herself for being able to bag hot young guys. This is what she wanted to portray herself as when she should have been looking for wealthy husband #2. She can't make it on her own. She's not Bethenny. She has no skills other than on her back. Now she's older and see's how much time she's wasted. Looks don't last forever and hers are fading. Crazy, carefree upper east side townhouse Sonja is not cute anymore.

By the way, what ever happened to Edgar, the Parisian hotelier that Sonja said was nuts about her? You know, the one that would put Sonja up in the most luxurious hotel in Paris every time she would visit him? Did he dump her? 

I think it's pretty ironic that Sonja is constantly taking jabs at Tinsley for being "taken care of" when she hasn't done anything to earn her own money outside of marrying well (but not even being able to sustain that marriage.) Here you have Beth, Heather Thompson, Carole, hell even Ramona who have actually achieved success on their own terms and then there's Sonja who was a hostess in a restaurant before she met her sugar daddy.  And she's judging Tinsley like she herself is so much better.  The narcissism is impressive. 

[Ms Blue Jay]

19 hours ago, film noire said:

Carole's blog is up (posting here b/c it's very directly about the episode / what we're discussing):

"Here’s a story: A 30-year-old restaurant hostess marries a wealthy man 25 years her senior.

Hmm!  Wikipedia claims a 33 year age difference.   Not 25.  It's the first thing I looked up after this episode aired.

Edited April 28, 2018 by Ms Blue Jay

[KungFuBunny]

13 minutes ago, Ms Blue Jay said:

Hmm!  Wikipedia claims a 33 year age difference.   Not 25.  It's the first thing I looked up after this episode aired.

I wonder if Sonja is the one who provided information on JAM for Wiki.

It does not mention his other wives names nor does it mention his other children. It also doesn't list his siblings.

I'm not sure how many children he has, but I know he has a son the same age as Sonja and Quincy.

[WireWrap]

5 minutes ago, KungFuBunny said:

I wonder if Sonja is the one who provided information on JAM for Wiki.

It does not mention his other wives names nor does it mention his other children. It also doesn't list his siblings.

I'm not sure how many children he has, but I know he has a son the same age as Sonja and Quincy.

This Wiki page does list them. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Adams_Morgan 

They don't list his current wife though.

Edited April 28, 2018 by WireWrap

[Rap541]

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He has 3 kids and a wife that I assume will inherit his money, whatever is left, and it is possible that Quincy's will be in the form of a trust until she reaches a certain age. So, there may not be enough money for Quincy to keep her mother in the lifestyle Sonja wants and live her own life at the same time.

A quick look for John Adams Morgan net worth online consistently says he's worth 100 million and currently resides on a private island worth 18 million.

I'm gonna be honest, I think Quincy will be well taken care of. I *really* hope that Quincy's inheritance is put in a trust because while it's not my business, I wonder how quickly Sonya would try to get Quincy to bankroll her. 

[ghoulina]

20 hours ago, KungFuBunny said:

Mr Morgan didn't have to make Sonja sign anything.

For a minor to appear on a show - the approval/consent has to be given by both parents. Now once she turns 18 - Quincy might do the show but if Daddy says no way I will cut your allowance - she won't be on.

As for Sonja, dragging him through the mud - I think his team has the money to sue and win. He could also keep it tied up in the court system forever and expose the dossier he has on Sonja. For these reasons, she wouldn't dare go down that road.

Agreed. Plus, Sonja is so invested in her delusion of what their marriage was, she's likely not going to speak candidly about it or him.

[Gem 10]

20 hours ago, ryebread said:

Someone mentioned Dorinda frothing over Dennis...I'd say she has a type.

Yea, it's called MONEY.

[KungFuBunny]

1 hour ago, WireWrap said:

This Wiki page does list them. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Adams_Morgan 

They don't list his current wife though.

Sorry I meant when you search and type in John Adams Morgan on the right hand side before you click into any site

It only lists Sonya under spouse and Morgan as a child

[Gem 10]

On April 26, 2018 at 12:44 PM, Reality police said:

I just want to make a general comment about this site. I read a few of the blogs and I'm always amazed at how viscious posters go after each other when they have opposing opinions. They are relentless in going after someone who has the audacity to call out a favorite character of theirs. Name calling, derogatory comments, and questioning their intelligence. I am grateful that I can disagree with someone on here and not worry about any of that happening. 

Thank you to all of you for this interaction. I lost my husband four years ago and before I could wrap my head around that I got sick and spent 3 years in and out of the hospital. I know we don't know each other in the typical sense but these interactions have helped my stay out of my head and in the real world. Ha, ha, real world?

Thanks to all of you. 

 

I agree with you 100% .  I just came on this blog recently and noticed the difference immediately.  Not only is everyone nice, but truly want to help each other with information, tips, etc.. I find everyone very warmhearted and not judgemental.  Some other blogs were attackers and I always found that you had to post "IMO" or else.  You can kid around here without worry.   We do come on here to laugh and snark, right?  Xo

Edited April 28, 2018 by Gem 10

[Gem 10]

23 hours ago, islandgal140 said:

I kinda remember this and it was Sonja at her most pathetic and sad. I just remember her taking particular care to dress, wear her hair and makeup the way he liked, which by the looks of it seems he likes the patrician look. There seemed to be a "Story of Us" starring Sonja and JPM behind every article of clothing, jewelry and even the perfume she wore. All designed I imagine to invoke some type of nostalgia in him and soften his hardened heart. The impression I got was that if she could just get in a room with him and talk all would be alright i.e., he would be generous and throw a couple of sack of gold coins her way and make all her money troubles go away. Now I can't tell you if she was expecting full reconciliation, have him divorce his wife and re-marry her or she was willing to settle for being a mistress or she would just settle for $$$ but she was expecting something that would better her situation.  Welp, he didn't show - just his lawyers. Plan foiled!!

After the failed meetup, I don't believe Sonja bad mouthed him she was just angry that he would have nothing to do with her, see her or talk to her. I get the impression that he only deals with her to parent their daughter and is totally cold towards her. 

What I'm always wondering about is .. What does JPM think when he sees or hears about Sonja's shenanigans in the night clubs dancing on tables without panties and sleeping with different men here and there?  He's a very important man, and he sees her acting like a slut .. No?  He must be mortified.  

[Gem 10]

On April 26, 2018 at 2:30 PM, TV Diva Queen said:

can someone please tell us (in order), the best area/town/neighborhood, to live in the Hamptons?  Maybe a top 5 or 6.  with all these shows I watch, you'd like I'd know by now.  :) 

Ramona could have used today's Google image for her marathon themed party.....

Sag Harbor, Water Mill, Bridgehampton, Sagaponack, Southampton.  You will bump in Bethenny, Countess Luann, Andy Cohen, Ramona, Martha Stewart, Steven Speilberg and many more ... IF YOU CAN AFFORD IT.  Ha ha.  BTW, I LOVE Ramonas house.  Off the highway, of course.  

[Scout Finch]

Given Luann's bemused expression at the end of the exchange, I had the impression that she knew full well and just wanted to call out Bethenny and Dennis. 

[Chit Chat]

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BTW, I LOVE Ramonas house.

It is a beautiful place.  Whenever they show it I think to myself, although she can be a nut, she did pretty damn good for herself!  She's got an apartment in the city and a house in the Hamptons.  Kadooz to her!!   I'd really love to have seen more of Ramona in her work environment.  We saw a little bit of it in the early days, but for the most part they kept it out of the show.  I guess they just want to show her as the wackadoodle of the group. 

[bref]

I've skimmed all 13 pages looking for more info on this; please excuse me if I missed it. Why was Dorinda insisting to Sonja that "You're not seeing Rocco!!"? 

[ShawnaLanne]

4 minutes ago, bref said:

I've skimmed all 13 pages looking for more info on this; please excuse me if I missed it. Why was Dorinda insisting to Sonja that "You're not seeing Rocco!!"? 

I don't know! But oh,  my GOD, Ramona doing the cut throat,  please stop it gesture leads me to believe that Ramona spilled some tea she shouldn't have.

I'm personally cackling like a maniac thinking about it!

[AnnA]

2 hours ago, Gem 10 said:

Sag Harbor, Water Mill, Bridgehampton, Sagaponack, Southampton.  You will bump in Bethenny, Countess Luann, Andy Cohen, Ramona, Martha Stewart, Steven Speilberg and many more ... IF YOU CAN AFFORD IT.  Ha ha.  BTW, I LOVE Ramonas house.  Off the highway, of course.  

East Hampton and Southampton are the most expensive.

I absolutely love Sag Harbor but it's not considered part of the Hamptons - neither is Water Mill or Sagaponack.

Edited April 28, 2018 by AnnA

[WireWrap]

47 minutes ago, bref said:

I've skimmed all 13 pages looking for more info on this; please excuse me if I missed it. Why was Dorinda insisting to Sonja that "You're not seeing Rocco!!"? 

Well, it's alleged that Sonja paid Frenchie to act as her bf, so maybe Rocco is pretending to date her as well. 

[WhoaWhoKnew]

8 minutes ago, WireWrap said:

Well, it's alleged that Sonja paid Frenchie to act as her bf, so maybe Rocco is pretending to date her as well. 

Only Sonja's weird enough to think Rocco, of all men, would elevate her status.

Edited April 28, 2018 by WhoaWhoKnew

[WireWrap]

33 minutes ago, WhoaWhoKnew said:

Only Sonja's weird enough to think Rocco, of all men, would elevate her status.

I think it is more that she needs a storyline outside of getting drunk, showing her snatch, having another HW stay with her and being a "source" for page six! LOL

[Gam2]

I know that Ina Garten has her home and studio in East Hampton (as she’s said a million times but I still love her). With her money and Jeffrey’s, that must be one expensive place to live! I do like the photos of homes in Sag Harbor but I’m not sure that is one of the places in highest demand/expensive. I love LuAnn’s house and would give anything to live there.

[Gam2]

Gem10, is there a particular reason you listed those areas as the best to live in in the Hamptons? I don’t know if you live there or have a home there. I think this is a fascinating place  mostly from watching Ina’s travels to stores/farms/neighbors in her area. Thanks for any information you can give to us.

[LemonSoda]

3 minutes ago, Gam2 said:

Gem10, is there a particular reason you listed those areas as the best to live in in the Hamptons? I don’t know if you live there or have a home there. I think this is a fascinating place  mostly from watching Ina’s travels to stores/farms/neighbors in her area. Thanks for any information you can give to us.

Not Gem10 but I'd like to add that it is a very wonderful place to be. Once you get over sticker shock, it's a very nice small town like life. The area has a lot of history. I love the farms. One of my favourite places to shop, The Green Thumb has been run by the same family for centuries. Ina does a great job of showcasing the area. Everyone associates it with glitz and glamour but it's so much more than that. 

[Gam2]

I assume you’re talking about East Hampton where Ina lives?

[LemonSoda]

46 minutes ago, Gam2 said:

I assume you’re talking about East Hampton where Ina lives?

All of the Hamptons in general. But East Hampton is my favourite. 

[hoodooznoodooz]

11 hours ago, WireWrap said:

She did talk about it in interviews and on the show, but she can't talk about something that never materializes. 

That’s never stopped Sonja before.    ; )

Edited April 29, 2018 by hoodooznoodooz

[WireWrap]

6 minutes ago, hoodooznoodooz said:

That’s never stopped Sonja before.  ; )

True but she isn't going to get paid for talking about something that isn't going to happen either, so I doubt she will unless Peter ponies up some cash for her. LOL

[BodhiGurl]

Rewatching. Whatever for Sonja whining about "sitting at the end of the table". First off - at Ramona's Sonja was not at the end, she was seated next to the host. Secondly - at the Topping Rose  - the place she would "never turn down an expensive meal at" - there were 3 peeps per side - get a grip woman. Four peeps were "at the end of the table". She's so put upon. Professional victim. Blah. I think this needs to be Sonja's last season unless she has some come to Jesus turnaround by the end of the season. Which I doubt will happen - because if she does indeed have mental health issues she can't see what's going on - and if she's a narcissist, she won't see herself as in the wrong. Lose-Lose. She really only has not-the-countess on her side. And sometimes Bethenny... 

Edited April 29, 2018 by BodhiGurl
typo and I figured out the name of the resteraunt ;)

[hoodooznoodooz]

If Sonja is in fact suffering from a mental disorder or cognitive dissonance, how is it she is still able to reference her daughter without confusing reality with her own scattered, baseless thoughts? 

[Gem 10]

Gam2 ...  AnnA is correct.  The houses I listed are not considered the Hamptons technically, but where we live, about an hour away, we consider the Hamptons anywhere east of the Long Island Expressway.  All the towns are beautiful and quaint with farm stands, some with beautiful stores, etc.  I could never live there .. Too expensive.  A lot of housewives live in the places I mentioned.  I'm not in realty, just a person who goes out to Montauk a few times a year through these towns and stopping along the way here and there.

[breezy424]

Just read the blogs.  These women are cut throat and I love it.  Carole threw some serious shade at Beth...and Ro.  She has a real estate friend who knows more about the Hamptons  than Beth and Ro put together.  Tinsley threw out that she didn't get a dime from her ex and that she was living in the hotel before she even met Scott.  That would mean, and correct me if I'm wrong, the living with So was a sham?

On another note, when I was a kid I had a friend whose family had a summer house in Sag Harbor.  It was a nice little house they spent their summers at.  That cute little house, if they hung on to it, is probably worth quite a bit now.  Sag Harbor was a nothing place in those days.

Sonja is a downer and that's not what I want to watch on real housewives franchise.  I can deal with ups and downs but So is just so sad.  She lives in a delusional world.  Yeah, Lu was delusional for a season but at least she recognizes it.  So will forever live in the past.  Not her loving relationship with her ex.  But the lifestyle she once had and could have continued to have to a certain extent but she blew that money.  Grey Gardens.

[LIMOM]

6 hours ago, LemonSoda said:

All of the Hamptons in general. But East Hampton is my favourite. 

Team Montauk here;-)

[LemonSoda]

1 hour ago, LIMOM said:

Team Montauk here;-)

I love Montauk. I regret not buying there before it got too crazy. 

[LIMOM]

4 minutes ago, LemonSoda said:

I love Montauk. I regret not buying there before it got too crazy. 

Same here. I rented and am completely priced out.

Montauk has everything: lake, ocean, bay. Plus it is really close to E.Hampton.

I was actually surprised that B did not buy there.

[LIMOM]

7 hours ago, breezy424 said:

Just read the blogs.  These women are cut throat and I love it.  Carole threw some serious shade at Beth...and Ro.  She has a real estate friend who knows more about the Hamptons  than Beth and Ro put together.  Tinsley threw out that she didn't get a dime from her ex and that she was living in the hotel before she even met Scott.  That would mean, and correct me if I'm wrong, the living with So was a sham?

On another note, when I was a kid I had a friend whose family had a summer house in Sag Harbor.  It was a nice little house they spent their summers at.  That cute little house, if they hung on to it, is probably worth quite a bit now.  Sag Harbor was a nothing place in those days.

Sonja is a downer and that's not what I want to watch on real housewives franchise.  I can deal with ups and downs but So is just so sad.  She lives in a delusional world.  Yeah, Lu was delusional for a season but at least she recognizes it.  So will forever live in the past.  Not her loving relationship with her ex.  But the lifestyle she once had and could have continued to have to a certain extent but she blew that money.  Grey Gardens.

Carole and her blog: 

here is the extract referring to Ramona and Bethany.

As for real estate, this argument over who knows more makes me laugh. Ramonahas a nice home, and so does Bethenny. South of the highway, on the highway…who cares? Btw, the highway, constructed in the mid-1920s, is a two lane street. My pal used to write for the real estate section of The Wall Street Journal. She lives in a rented one-bedroom apartment and knows more about real estate than Ramona and Bethenny combined.

 

Carole, girl bye.

[LemonSoda]

35 minutes ago, LIMOM said:

Same here. I rented and am completely priced out.

Montauk has everything: lake, ocean, bay. Plus it is really close to E.Hampton.

I was actually surprised that B did not buy there.

I got lucky with a place in East Hampton in the mid 90's. I had an opportunity to buy a second property in Montauk about fifteen years ago. I still kick myself for not doing it. 

[LIMOM]

3 minutes ago, LemonSoda said:

I got lucky with a place in East Hampton in the mid 90's. I had an opportunity to buy a second property in Montauk about fifteen years ago. I still kick myself for not doing it. 

 Seriously, envious. ;-)

[Chit Chat]

52 minutes ago, LIMOM said:

My pal used to write for the real estate section of The Wall Street Journal. She lives in a rented one-bedroom apartment and knows more about real estate than Ramona and Bethenny combined.

 

Carol needs to get over herself.  Was her friend an actual Realtor/Broker?  I'm sure she knew her shit, but Bethenny has one of the best Brokers as a close friend - Fredrik Eklund.   I'm pretty sure Bethenny is real estate savvy in her own right too.   This is just like when Carol said she knew best about politics because she's a journalist, so that made the rest of us ignorant voters.  That kind of attitude just gripes me.  

[QuinnM]

53 minutes ago, LIMOM said:

As for real estate, this argument over who knows more makes me laugh. Ramonahas a nice home, and so does Bethenny. South of the highway, on the highway…who cares? Btw, the highway, constructed in the mid-1920s, is a two lane street. My pal used to write for the real estate section of The Wall Street Journal. She lives in a rented one-bedroom apartment and knows more about real estate than Ramona and Bethenny combined.

Look at that paragraph. WTH?  This is professional writer? I still don’t know what this friend living in a small rental has to do with Ramona’s and Bethenny’s houses?  Is she saying that someone that knows a lot about real estate won’t buy a house?  

The other item that people consider when buying out on that little stretch of land is what they want from the house.  There are little enclaves as well.  There are horse groups that have stables and roads where the residents just know that horses will be sharing the pavement.  Then there are homes that all have fabulous tennis courts and everyone looks the other way when there are lights on the courts into the wee hours.  Or like Luann you don’t mind the neighbors sharing a close backyard because what you like it hopping in your boat and docking up at a place for brunch.  The homes like Bethenny’s that are set way back, border a reserve, lots of undeveloped brush berm between properties.  They are quite, lots of nature, lots of privacy.  So sometimes people look for property in a particular enclave.  I think it’s interesting that both Lu and Beth actually use their homes year round.  That’s a particular group so in that case you don’t want the road to your home to be remote, twisting etc because, snow.

[BodhiGurl]

2 hours ago, LIMOM said:

 

" My pal used to write for the real estate section of The Wall Street Journal. She lives in a rented one-bedroom apartment and knows more about real estate than Ramona and Bethenny combined."

 

Carole, girl bye.

Right! Whatever Carole - I mean I get them throwing shade - when necessary - but this is unnecessary shade. Carole had nothing to do with the real estate argument Bethenny and Ramona were having - besides being an outside witness to it. It wasnt like one of them dragged Carole about real estate. Ooooh - Carole has a friend who used to write for a real estate section and lives in a one bedroom apt - ooooh - point Carole. NOT. Petty AF.... Man Carole is bugging me this season - and it has nothing to do with the fact overall I like Bethenny - but everything to do with how utterly petty she is this season - I mean I know CR's always had a petty side but she's so extra this time around. It's hard to not compare her verbal diarrhea about Bethenny and shading BF, to Bethenny's almost zero mention of CR in social media or her blogs. Is this all really over some flippant comment BF made about Adam? REALLY? I wonder what it is - I have to assume at some point we see the big fracture in their relationship... 

Edited April 29, 2018 by BodhiGurl
missed a word, deleted a word to make point more clear, lol

[noveltylibrary]

On 4/26/2018 at 10:47 AM, hottesthw said:

 A divorce is a choice 2 people make.

Not always but I did get your point.

[noveltylibrary]

On 4/25/2018 at 10:14 PM, TomGirl said:

With all their (many!) faults, these are attractive, wealthy and mostly successful women.  I’m amazed they can’t find any men better than the likes of Tom, Dennis, John, etc.  Not one man on this show is attractive or otherwise appealing (except boy toy Adam).  I don’t get it.

I even find the boytoy unappealing.  And I really don't need to hear about Carole's sexcapades with him ?

On 4/25/2018 at 10:40 PM, Jel said:

How low is John's self-esteem? Dorinda basically tells us several times a season that he's Mr. Right Now. Pitiful.

He is the embodiment of a sad sack.  But then again Dorinda's a sad case too.

[Gem 10]

3 hours ago, LIMOM said:

Same here. I rented and am completely priced out.

Montauk has everything: lake, ocean, bay. Plus it is really close to E.Hampton.

I was actually surprised that B did not buy there.

I think Bethenny lives with the rest of them in a town that is technically not considered the Hamptons, but she refers to the Hamptons.  But, don't quote me on that, ha ha.

[Reality police]

10 hours ago, breezy424 said:

Just read the blogs.  These women are cut throat and I love it.  Carole threw some serious shade at Beth...and Ro.  She has a real estate friend who knows more about the Hamptons  than Beth and Ro put together.  Tinsley threw out that she didn't get a dime from her ex and that she was living in the hotel before she even met Scott.  That would mean, and correct me if I'm wrong, the living with So was a sham?

Am I wrong or didn't Scott help T move from Sonja's? Didn't he show up with boxes? Something's not adding up here. Maybe a storyline for both? 

[Gem 10]

2 hours ago, ChitChat said:

Carol needs to get over herself.  Was her friend an actual Realtor/Broker?  I'm sure she knew her shit, but Bethenny has one of the best Brokers as a close friend - Fredrik Eklund.   I'm pretty sure Bethenny is real estate savvy in her own right too.   This is just like when Carol said she knew best about politics because she's a journalist, so that made the rest of us ignorant voters.  That kind of attitude just gripes me.  

OMG!  Yes about Carole.  I can't for the life of me get over all the air time Bravo gave her election time, but that's another whole ball of wax.   BTW, I love Fredrik.

[WhoaWhoKnew]

10 minutes ago, Gem 10 said:

OMG!  Yes about Carole.  I can't for the life of me get over all the air time Bravo gave her election time, but that's another whole ball of wax.   BTW, I love Fredrik.

Seriously. NYC season 9 could have been flawless had it not been for Carole's assholery. 

[LIMOM]

Carole is so New York though.

[Otherkate]

Oh Lord. First of all, everyone in NYC considers themselves something of a real estate expert - it's one of the favorite topics of conversation amongst New Yorkers. That said, there is a big difference between writing about something and actually doing it. Nevermind doing it more than once and, presumably, learning as you do so. What an asshat she is. 

[AnnA]

12 hours ago, Gem 10 said:

Gam2 ...  AnnA is correct.  The houses I listed are not considered the Hamptons technically, but where we live, about an hour away, we consider the Hamptons anywhere east of the Long Island Expressway.  All the towns are beautiful and quaint with farm stands, some with beautiful stores, etc.  I could never live there .. Too expensive.  A lot of housewives live in the places I mentioned.  I'm not in realty, just a person who goes out to Montauk a few times a year through these towns and stopping along the way here and there.

When you say "east of the LIE" I'm assuming you mean east of where the LIE ends.

Montauk is my favorite place.

Edited April 29, 2018 by AnnA

[ghoulina]

18 hours ago, bref said:

I've skimmed all 13 pages looking for more info on this; please excuse me if I missed it. Why was Dorinda insisting to Sonja that "You're not seeing Rocco!!"? 

She never expounded on that and I SOOOO wish she would have! 

 

28 minutes ago, Otherkate said:

Oh Lord. First of all, everyone in NYC considers themselves something of a real estate expert - it's one of the favorite topics of conversation amongst New Yorkers. That said, there is a big difference between writing about something and actually doing it. Nevermind doing it more than once and, presumably, learning as you do so. What an asshat she is. 

Yea, I am back and forth on Carole, but she's really reaching with this one.