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Halting Hex

Halting Hex

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6 hours ago, Eolivet said:

Why does "Big Brother contestants are racist" need a "Yes, but" rebuttal?

Who's "rebutting" anything?  I said, multiple times, that I agreed with the thrust of the article; I just felt that the factual sloppiness made it less potent than it should be.

6 hours ago, Eolivet said:

Do these discrepancies dilute the article's main point? I'd argue that they don't.

Fine, but I have argued that they do.  If you have a contrary opinion, fine.  What arguments do you bring in support of it?

6 hours ago, Eolivet said:

The fact that minor discrepancies are a focus

I never claimed they were a focus; I felt that those who tried to excuse the racism could use the inaccuracies to deflect away from the main point.  (The "if you can't get the facts correct, why should we believe your conclusion?" line of attack.)

And, after all, it's not difficult to get the facts correct.  I recalled them all offhand while I was typing.

6 hours ago, Eolivet said:

casual racism (which I think most of this is) isn't thought of as "real" racism. Because it's "only" three out of four contestants of color who were banished, and the house didn't banish David, and Analyse is Latina and they still like her. And if I'm going to call people racists, by golly they'd better be wearing white hoods and yelling racial slurs.

Are you claiming that I hold any of those IMO odious opinions?  I really hope not.  I'm quite capable of voicing my own opinions without any "assistance", honestly.

6 hours ago, Eolivet said:

the article did a great job laying out the evidence why this is the case.

Given that they got the facts wrong on three separate points, I'd say they could clearly have done better than this "great" job.

6 hours ago, Eolivet said:

A few discrepancies in details don't erase those points.

They certainly make it easier to obfuscate them.  The author was, I presume, paid for their work.  Perhaps they even employed researchers.  If they had done a better job, there wouldn't be anything to discuss. 

If you don't think that a hypothesis ("Big Brother has a racism problem") can be attacked for making over-broad claims, might I suggest that you revisit the thread for 21.02, where multiple posters thought it was "unfair" that Jackson was being "accused" of racism because of his banishment choices.  ("Enjoy" the part where I am told that I am "displaying racist tendencies by so quickly throwing such a horrible accusation out there in the first place", despite the fact that I never definitively said that Jackson was racist, merely that he should be aware how his picks might be looked at.) 

The possibility for pushback exists.  Trust me.  Why aid it by getting the facts wrong?  

(Especially when you're a journalist who has been paid to be accurate, due to libel laws and such.)

But JMO.  Peace.

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11 hours ago, RandomWatcher said:

Holly was in a country music video

Hey, that was good! I haven't watched a country music video since I lived in Eastern Europe and the only English TV channel was CMT. That was all we watched for 2 years.

Luke Pell has a good voice - never heard him before. So they were a couple? Was he a Jackson? 

She was good in the video. Not so much on the show last night though. 

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Reporters at CBS’s presentation at the TCA today got some good questions in. 

https://deadline.com/2019/08/big-brother-survivor-diversity-problems-cbs-exectutives-comment-tca-1202658702/

And Entertainment Weekly filled in some details about the way Kemi was coached by producer to act in a more stereotypical fashion, i.e., the sassy black woman. The producer was reprimanded, mirabile dictu.

https://ew.com/tv/2019/08/01/big-brother-producer-reprimanded-kemi-diary-room/

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2 hours ago, Kris117 said:

Reporters at CBS’s presentation at the TCA today got some good questions in. 

https://deadline.com/2019/08/big-brother-survivor-diversity-problems-cbs-exectutives-comment-tca-1202658702/

About the Kemi issue from this article and a follow-up from a reporter I think this snippet should be shown directly here on the BB thread from that link:

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Said Sherman about the Big Brother incident: “A producer, we learned, in an attempt to get a soundbite, overstepped. That producer was reprimanded and received unconscious bias training, as well as other producers on the show [did]. We don’t want that to happen again.”

Kahl added that “all of our producers receive unconscious bias training” and said the vast number of contestants “are quite happy on how they’re represented” coming off CBS reality shows. “Thousands of hours are cut down to 42 minutes an episode,” he said. “We can’t show everything that happens on the show, and producers strive to show a good representation of what happens.”

Blasted NPR TV critic Eric Deggans to the CBS brass onstage this morning: “We’re telling you, you have a problem with your reality shows. Why don’t you just acknowledge that instead of spinning that?”

In other words CBS  was throwing a lower level producer under the bus -- it darn well wasn't Gordner herself -- to run away from the whole issue.  Good for the NPR guy saying what it really was.  Spin.

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Kris117

Kris117

Good point. Deggans is an excellent reporter. And Mo Ryan sharply questioned the execs about their decision to send Michael Wetherly, star of Bull, to “leadership training” after CBS settled with Eliza Dushko for $7 million. 
 

CBS is making changes, but the culture of sexual and racial harassment is far from  erased. It was not a good day for CBS PR. 

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LuvizBlind

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From the Oprah magazine article, I loved this statement from Kemi; "I understand that there has to be a storyline, but I would have hoped watching back that I would see a condensed version of what was going on in the house rather than a deluded version of what's going in the house."  We 'live feeders' have complained often that what we consider the casual viewers do not have an accurate view of the houseguests.  While the degree of that has seemed to vary, sometimes it truly has been a 'deluded version'.  I am ecstatic that an intelligent ex-member of the cast has finally stated this in an accurate and appropriate way.

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Melina22

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Such an interesting RHAP interview with Ovi. I'm listening to it now. He has so many thoughtful insights into the game, and the role bias played this season. 

How sad he was immediately dismissed by certain players as not worth their time. They're going to regret it, though. Not because of anything Ovi does, because he doesn't seem bitter at all, but because of how the public perceives them now, in part based on their treatment of Ovi. 

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Kris117

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5 hours ago, HartofDixie said:

Oh, man, that was great. Just the phrase “Keisha’s birthday” makes me laugh all these years later. And we celebrated “Rockstar’s daughter’s birthday” this year, and I suspect, for many years to come. Thanks for posting, HartofDixie.

4 hours ago, Melina22 said:

It's so weird how I recognized lots of houseguests immediately, but others don't even ring a bell any more. 

So true! The segment with Jee and his PoV win made me remember why I loved Jun so much. It also brought back how much I didn’t love Robert. 
 

This season’s fun comes more from quirks of individual characters, like

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Christie spending the first month thinking she will be getting her period any minute now. 

That’s a very non-game spoiler, as it is just an element of Christie’s behavior we haven’t seen on the broadcasts and has nothing to do with gameplay. 
 

On the other hand, Christie’s DR and clips with mentions of Brussels sprouts were an instant classic. 
 

FYI, “Happy Birthday” is now considered to be in public domain. Warner Music paid to end a lawsuit challenging their right to that copyright. So go nuts, people!
 

https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/thr-esq/warner-music-pays-14-million-863120

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Kris117

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On 8/3/2019 at 5:21 PM, Melina22 said:

Yes! And the way Robert had no eyebrows! 

Yes! As soon as I heard his name mentioned, his image came straight to my mind.

19 hours ago, Dewey Decimate said:

Oh, those were the days! What a stroll down memory lane!

Is it just me or did the HGs look more real way back when? Like, a couple mactor types but a good proportion of freaking normal people! Fuck you, Grodner.

You are not wrong.

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ByaNose

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On 8/4/2019 at 9:42 PM, HartofDixie said:

This IG post made me laugh can’t believe he’s still salty about this.

I saw him on RHAP with Bayleigh. I couldn’t understand a word he said. I don’t if he was trying to be cool and not speak properly or he’s just dumb in general. He’s still delusional as ever but he & Bay seem happy. They were also hinting that their wedding would be televised. Who in their right mind would care about their wedding? He didn’t make jury and she was one of the first jurors. I’m guessing it’s TLC or BET or just online somewhere. I will say his take on America’s Vote is spot on. The HG now are now realizing they are hated, too. Too funny!  

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Dewey Decimate

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HORK!! I got the worst one possible.

"Your zing is... "That's a nice tan, but I'm surprised you get any sun considering how much time you spend... in your sister's shadow!"

Big Brother 16's Frankie Grande got burned by this zing. It's, of course, in reference to Frankie's famous sister, Ariana Grande."

BLERGH. Adding insult to injury is that I'm fair-skinned and don't even tan.

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Lady Calypso

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So, this was posted in the Live Feeds thread but it probably works better here. A Complete History of one of the most infamous moves in Big Brother History: Dan's Funeral.

A lot of fascinating stuff, and new information that was never discussed before. What a fascinating read and it definitely shifts my perspective of Dan's entire game in BB14...but maybe in a better way? Surprisingly?

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IndyMischa

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1 hour ago, Lady Calypso said:

So, this was posted in the Live Feeds thread but it probably works better here. A Complete History of one of the most infamous moves in Big Brother History: Dan's Funeral.

A lot of fascinating stuff, and new information that was never discussed before. What a fascinating read and it definitely shifts my perspective of Dan's entire game in BB14...but maybe in a better way? Surprisingly?

I'm still pissed that he didn't win. 

ETA: I've now read the article, and think Dan's a shithead (the paint), and maybe a little bit of a sociopath (everything else). But he still should have won.

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Nashville

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28 minutes ago, IndyMischa said:

I'm still pissed that he didn't win. 

Pissed or not, though, nobody can realistically say they’re surprised Dan didn’t win.  Dan’s funeral was perhaps the most ingenious win of a battle in BB history, but his follow-up cost him the war - it was like a primer on How To Create the Bestest Bitter Jury Ever.  

Which still doesn’t alter my opinion of Dan Gheesling being the best player in BB history, btw.

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IndyMischa

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9 minutes ago, Nashville said:

Pissed or not, though, nobody can realistically say they’re surprised Dan didn’t win.  Dan’s funeral was perhaps the most ingenious win of a battle in BB history, but his follow-up cost him the war - it was like a primer on How To Create the Bestest Bitter Jury Ever.  

Which still doesn’t alter my opinion of Dan Gheesling being the best player in BB history, btw.

Meh. His game plus Ian being a sniveling twerp, should have gotten all the votes. Not that I'm bitter...

I go back and forth between him and Will Kirby; I think on balance, I'm giving Will the edge, but I will never argue *against* Dan being the best.

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Lady Calypso

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1 hour ago, IndyMischa said:

ETA: I've now read the article, and think Dan's a shithead (the paint), and maybe a little bit of a sociopath (everything else). But he still should have won.

Oh yeah, I didn't think Dan was THAT emotional over Danielle trying for that veto while he was also doing the same thing and logically, he was being a hypocrite. And obviously, all of that had its ramifications since Dan/Danielle have not seen each other since the finale night and everything Dan did in BB14 did cause ripple effects to the point where the cast doesn't seem to even talk to each other anymore. 

And knowing that Dan was tapping into his emotions during his funeral because he knew he couldn't act for shit does make him less diabolical, especially since he didn't plan for Danielle to also get that safety deal. 

Yet, with all of that being said, that doesn't lower my opinion about Dan being a Tier 1 houseguest. He is still one of the greatest of all time. I never ended up seeing Will's seasons so I do feel like I must take some time to actually go watch those. And yes, I do still think, even after all of this new information, that he should have won. I get WHY he didn't win, especially now with most recent seasons in mind. Jury management was important back then as well. But also....Britney even admitted in the interview that Dan was never ever winning because nobody would have let him win twice, so....even with perfect jury management, it sounds like he was going to lose. 

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Melina22

Melina22

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1 hour ago, Lady Calypso said:

never ended up seeing Will's seasons so I do feel like should take some time to actually go watch those 

Like all the best houseguests, Will is one of a kind. He wasn't just charming, he had this disarming way of always telling the truth in such a way that no one ever believed anything bad about him. For example, he was constantly telling everyone they shouldn't trust him because he lied all the time, and people would giggle and go, "Ha! You're a hoot!" And believe whatever he said. Of course, he was usually lying.

ETA I just realized I said he always told the truth and that he was usually lying. What can I say? That was Dr. Will in a nutshell. 

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Katesus7

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Dr. Will’s infamous charm always eluded me. I thought he was a smarmy asshole both of his seasons. Could. Not. Stand. Him.

I loved the article about Dan’s funeral. I watched that shit live and was absolutely gobsmacked. But yeah, he was really a dick about the veto situation. My favorite parts of the article were Frank pretending he didn’t get played and Jenn pretending she was actually relevant. I liked Britney’s recollections the best, because she sounded most honest about her perspective then and now.

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Growsonwalls

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4 minutes ago, Katesus7 said:

Dr. Will’s infamous charm always eluded me. I thought he was a smarmy asshole both of his seasons. Could. Not. Stand. Him.

I loved the article about Dan’s funeral. I watched that shit live and was absolutely gobsmacked. But yeah, he was really a dick about the veto situation. My favorite parts of the article were Frank pretending he didn’t get played and Jenn pretending she was actually relevant. I liked Britney’s recollections the best, because she sounded most honest about her perspective then and now.

I liked Britney’s recollections the most too bc she seems honest and admits to being gullible. A nice follow up about Britney: I saw her on the Amazing Race and she had very warm interactions with Rachel and defended Rachel when other racers were complaining about her. So I do think Britney has matured a lot since her bratty BB12 mean girl phase. Always nice to see. 

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