S09.E06: Meeting Mariah's Girlfriend

[Galloway Cave]

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Mariah and her girlfriend go to the March for Women in Washington, D.C.; she invites Meri and Janelle to go too, but Kody doesn't like the idea.

Of course Kody doesn't like the idea. Can't have the women folk running off and getting ideas in their head. OR you can't have them risking persecution, despite the fact that they will be marching with a million other women and NO ONE will notice or even care that they are there, you flaming fame whore.

[StayingAfterSunday]

I hope Meri does go for Mariah's sake.  Moral and politicals opinion aside, I think Mariah is really cool and would love to see Meri and her reconcile and establish a relationship once again. 

Regarding Kody's displeasure, Meri can do as she pleases now that they're divorced.  Did the previews show Jenelle going with Meri, or did neither of them go?  

After Mariah made her big announcement I felt a bit sorry for Meri.  She doesn't hide her feelings very well, and if I were to guess her thoughts they'd probably include a sadness over losing a conventional future with Mariah.  It had to be difficult, especially since this awarenesss coincided with the traditional events occurring with Madison and then Mykelti.  

Edited February 18, 2018 by StayingAfterSunday

[Gothish520]

2 hours ago, StayingAfterSunday said:

I hope Meri does go for Mariah's sake.  Moral and politicals opinion aside, I think Mariah is really cool and would love to see Meri and her reconcile and establish a relationship once again. 

Regarding Kody's displeasure, Meri can do as she pleases now that they're divorced.  Did the previews show Jenelle going with Meri, or did neither of them go?  

After Mariah made her big announcement I felt a bit sorry for Meri.  She doesn't hide her feelings very well, and if I were to guess her thoughts they'd probably include a sadness over losing a conventional future with Mariah.  It had to be difficult, especially since this awarenesss coincided with the traditional events occurring with Madison and then Mykelti.  

 

I'm wondering if Kody is worried about things getting violent. 

As for Meri, I don't have children so I can't say for sure 100% how I would initially react, but I am very liberal in areas like women's rights and LGBTQ issues, so I believe I would be very supportive right away. But I do understand why it may take some parents a minute to adjust to something like that. It must be quite a jolt for many, especially if there were no indications that their child might be gay. I remember reading that even Cher, one of the top gay icons in the world, went crazy when first hearing that her daughter (at the time) Chastity was gay. Not saying it's right, just saying I understand why some parents may need an adjustment period.

Edited February 18, 2018 by Gothish520

[Kyanight]

1 hour ago, Gothish520 said:

I'm wondering if Kody is worried about things getting violent. 

As for Meri, I don't have children so I can't say for sure 100% how I would initially react, but I am very liberal in areas like women's rights and LGBTQ issues, so I believe I would be very supportive right away. But I do understand why it may take some parents a minute to adjust to something like that. It must be quite a jolt for many, especially if there were no indications that their child might be gay. I remember reading that even Cher, one of the top gay icons in the world, went crazy when first hearing that her daughter (at the time) Chastity was gay. Not saying it's right, just saying I understand why some parents may need an adjustment period.

My oldest son is gay.  Obviously I love him and support him.... but I still think watching Mariah and Meri go out for a march is going to be a snore.   We march for breast cancer and other social issues so I "get it" - but I wouldn't want to watch an episode of people marching for THOSE causes, either.  Other than people being curious about the sexuality issue - to a lot of people I think it's like watching paint dry.   Hopefully Janelle and Meri's "issues" will be more interesting.

[Armchair Critic]

An episode with Mariah and Janelle.... zzzzzzzzzzzzzz

[ThinkerBell]

Meri has turned the line, "That time I got catfished", into her weary go-to explanation when she doesn't want to accept responsibility for her own behaviour. It's become her mantra.

Edited February 20, 2018 by ThinkerBell

[cereality]

Wow -- feel bad for Caleb having a pulmonary embolism. He was acting kind of obnoxious before explaining that -- i.e. I'm soooo excited to live here; soooo proud to be 30 with a pregnant wife and living with my inlaws. The parents of course glossed it over as -- school; work; financial and of course better for the baby to be raised around family. Um -- sure -- unless it is truly financial though, they could rent a nearby apartment/house in Vegas, right and be near family but on their own and with their own space? I thought Caleb had a skilled tradesmen kind of job like welding; those tend to pay $$$. I wonder if he quit that for college (bc if he wanted to go to college why wait until 30 -- it's not like he was off in the army or something) OR if he had to quit because of his health -- which actually would be pretty unfortunate and explain the sudden need to move home as his paycheck was gone.

[jacksgirl]

 You have something in your world more important than Mariah and her happiness? Kody, you are the worst.

Edited February 19, 2018 by jacksgirl

[ginger90]

3 minutes ago, cereality said:

Wow -- feel bad for Caleb having a pulmonary embolism. He was acting kind of obnoxious before explaining that -- i.e. I'm soooo excited to live here; soooo proud to be 30 with a pregnant wife and living with my inlaws. The parents of course glossed it over as -- school; work; financial and of course better for the baby to be raised around family. Um -- sure -- unless it is truly financial though, they could rent a nearby apartment/house in Vegas, right and be near family but on their own and with their own space? I thought Caleb had a skilled tradesmen kind of job like welding; those tend to pay $$$. I wonder if he quit that for college (bc if he wanted to go to college why wait until 30 -- it's not like he was off in the army or something) OR if he had to quit because of his health -- which actually would be pretty unfortunate and explain the sudden need to move home as his paycheck was gone.

 

[cereality]

I know Kody is trying to sound intelligent and lawyerly but come on -- if you support women's' rights and LGBT rights (which don't need to be supported bc women have it all now and LGBT people can marry so what else is there), then you're taking energy away from fighting to make polygamy legal in Utah. Why? Bc as far as I can tell you all are unemployed, you can go to multiple marches. It's not like you're asking your boss for time off here . . . .

[Mimiray802]

I really wish Kody would STFU talking about all women and all LGBT have ALL of their rights all over the US.  I'm glad that the wives did set him straight for once.  Damn Kody everything isn't about you. 

Edited February 19, 2018 by Mimiray802
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[MegD]

Sorry, Kody, what keeps you from moving home is your arrogant sense of self and the fact that your wives don't want to go back to sharing a house. Your litigation was dumped because it was determined that you never had a legitimate fear of being arrested for it. Yes, the law's on the books, but short of another domestic related polygamy charge, the Utah AG doesn't prosecute on it. Or perhaps, you figured you'd get caught for welfare fraud? Don't blather about exile in Vegas. You aren't suffering one iota, you bloated self-important prick.

[cereality]

I find Caleb obnoxious. We get it -- you want a BOY. Boys are better. God forbid you have a girl. Lots of men want boys, but the way he was saying it -- come on . . . . It's the first of like 6-8 kids probably, what's the big deal, you'll have both boys and girls??! You're 30 yrs old, you could also keep your preference quiet and go with "just a healthy wife and baby . . . ."

I honestly don't know why everyone in that family is soooo in love with Caleb.

[trimthatfat]

I think Meri and Janelle should give it up. They'll never see eye to eye on anything really. 

[VioletNevermind]

We could probably file this observation under Nitpicking, but Janelle and Meri live in the same cul-de-sac and arrive at therapy in separate vehicles?  They truly despise each other, don’t they?

[Mimiray802]

I don't know why they go to therapy either. The real problem seems to be that Janelle was the 2nd wife and married Kody.  Polygamy is basically at the heart of most of their problems but they ignore this.  But I've always thought Janelle is secretly gay and honestly never liked Kody the same way the other wives did. 

[trimthatfat]

7 minutes ago, SuzyLee said:

We could probably file this observation under Nitpicking, but Janelle and Meri live in the same cul-de-sac and arrive at therapy in separate vehicles?  They truly despise each other, don’t they?

Last season (or maybe the one before?), the therapist asked them to drive somewhere in one vehicle and listen to an audiotape. They refused. They ended up saying they'd listen to the audiotape in their separate cars. It was actually quite sad.

edit: I'm saying audiotape, but it was probably a podcast or something. Lol. Someone can correct me if I'm wrong.

Edited February 19, 2018 by trimthatfat

[Armchair Critic]

Meri is a pain in the ass but Janelle is such a low energy dud, there are no winners here.

[trimthatfat]

This scene was very awkward and I can't figure out why. The constant giggling was just odd. I guess the parents have been so accepting that I thought it should have been less dramatic. 

[LucyEth]

Noticed when they were outside, the others were still outside talking to Mariah and her friends and Janelle was walking back into the house.  Her and Meri just don't work. I don't feel Janelle is very interested in her sister wives children, shocked she would go on this trip.  Meri only seems interested in Robyns kids.

[Cherrio]

Hey !

No mush mouth, can't stop eating, slobby,no shower FT

Tacos all around. (Only 2 each please)

[Awfarmington]

3 minutes ago, LucyEth said:

Noticed when they were outside, the others were still outside talking to Mariah and her friends and Janelle was walking back into the house.  Her and Meri just don't work. I don't feel Janelle is very interested in her sister wives children, shocked she would go on this trip.  Meri only seems interested in Robyns kids.

I’ve noticed that same dynamic with some grandparents. They might have 4 adults kids, but are closer with grandkids from 1 or 2 of those kids. 

[Galloway Cave]

Kody: "You will be taking energy away from the thing I want to do!" What an idiot. So glad Janelle FINALLY said they could do both marches and neither would take away anything from the other. Of course that statement scrambled Kody's tiny brain and he had to sit there with his beady shark eyes and furrowed brow thingkingk for a bit. And his caveman brain just doesn't understand that because women and LGBT have rights doesn't mean they are still treated equally. He is so exhausting, not charming, Janelle.

Dear Caleb, I am female, I started hunting with my dad when I was 12. I was also a game warden for 20 years and saw many young girls hunting with their fathers (and mothers). So STFU and if you do have a daughter some day and she wants to go hunting? Teach her proper and safe gun handling and enjoy your time with her. If she doesn't want to hunt? Take her camping and teach her to appreciate viewing wildlife. Sincerely, Galloway

Mariah and Audrey looked so cute in their TH, dressed almost identical.

Next week's episode is going to task me. I will need to watch it with cocktails. 

[tabloidlover]

Way too much Meri in tonight’s episode. I can’t stand to look at her or hear her speak, nor do I give a flying fuck about her.  She is so self centered and I just can’t with her anymore. 

[JustDuckie]

Did you hear? Caleb is having a boy. Because he wanted a boy. And he needed a boy buddy. And he wants to go hunting with a boy. And Maddie dreamed it was a boy. Thank god it's a boy - a girl would have been such a disappointment. I just can't with the 1st generation or the 2nd generation of the Brown family. They are all just too much.

[Kyanight]

11 minutes ago, JustDuckie said:

Did you hear? Caleb is having a boy. Because he wanted a boy. And he needed a boy buddy. And he wants to go hunting with a boy. And Maddie dreamed it was a boy. Thank god it's a boy - a girl would have been such a disappointment. I just can't with the 1st generation or the 2nd generation of the Brown family. They are all just too much.

Poor unwanted girl baby.  Hopefully they will ONLY have boys.

[jacksgirl]

Color me shocked. I like Mariah. She looks good, seems to have a nice group of friends, and was really working hard to mend her relationship with her mother. 

[JustDuckie]

Oh Jenelle - "It seems as though there are going to be a lot of angry people there". Hahahahahahahaha, ya think? I get that NOW we all know what that march was all about and maybe she was a little naive going into it, but had she watched ANY msm news program and there really should not have been any doubt what they were in for. 

Edited February 19, 2018 by JustDuckie

[MoodyGirl]

29 minutes ago, jacksgirl said:

Color me shocked. I like Mariah. She looks good, seems to have a nice group of friends, and was really working hard to mend her relationship with her mother. 

I agree. I liked Mariah much more this episode and her girlfriend too. She seems so much happier and in a better place. Much better than when she was so bitchy and snarky and negative with her mom. I mean, I agreed with Mariah for her snarkiness —ha ha—but this is a much better look on her. 

[sainte-chapelle]

Every time I see Cody I want to punch him in the throat, that's it, I've got nothing.

[LotusFlower]

3 hours ago, jacksgirl said:

 You have something in your world more important than Mariah and her happiness? Kody, you are the worst.

He is too much, isn’t he?  My protest is more important than your protest!  It’s me, me, me, all the time with Kody.

[Misslindsey]

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 I honestly don't know why everyone in that family is soooo in love with Caleb.

Because he is not Tony? That is my best guess.

[sainte-chapelle]

1 hour ago, JustDuckie said:

Did you hear? Caleb is having a boy. Because he wanted a boy. And he needed a boy buddy. And he wants to go hunting with a boy. And Maddie dreamed it was a boy. Thank god it's a boy - a girl would have been such a disappointment. I just can't with the 1st generation or the 2nd generation of the Brown family. They are all just too much.

Arg 'Axel' and Caleb only wanting a boy to hunt with.....trash...so much trash

[NotinKansasanymore]

Meri: Yeah, polygamy really doesn't raise a woman to have a sense of empowerment. 

One hour later on the same show

Janelle: I don't know why people think polygamous women don't have empowerment we chose to define what our marriage is.

Hello! Your own sister wife just said girls aren't raised with empowerment in the polygamy culture! One of your own is telling us girls aren't raised that way! 

[Meowwww]

So why couldn’t they start the 13 cars to move them?  Why push them?

[Celia Rubenstein]

Sheesh, it's always all about Kody, all the time.  God forbid someone spend a day advancing a cause that is important to them when they could spent that time advanving a cause that is important to HIM.

I wonder if it has occurred to Kody that his wives are more into the women's march than the polygamist demonstration because on some level they know polygamy SUCKS and they would prefer to direct their efforts toward projects that will empower women as opposed to enslave and entrap them in a life of misery ...

[bichonblitz]

Yay, No Tony, No Mykelti! Praise the Lord!

Mariah looked happy with her friends and new girlfriend. Nice to see her smiling for a change. 

But.....another older daughter with naturally pretty blond hair that insists on dying it that gross deep dark purpleish color. Whyyyyyyy? I don't get it. They all look terrible with that color. I swear if Aspen does that to her gorgeous hair I will never speak to her again. In my mind, lol. 

Oh, and I'm glad Mariah didn't ask Robin to go to DC. The most coveted, smartest, wisest, most beautiful wife that everybody loves wasn't asked to go. You know it bugged her even if she acted like it didn't. 

Edited February 19, 2018 by bichonblitz

[RedheadZombie]

3 hours ago, cereality said:

Wow -- feel bad for Caleb having a pulmonary embolism. He was acting kind of obnoxious before explaining that -- i.e. I'm soooo excited to live here; soooo proud to be 30 with a pregnant wife and living with my inlaws. The parents of course glossed it over as -- school; work; financial and of course better for the baby to be raised around family. Um -- sure -- unless it is truly financial though, they could rent a nearby apartment/house in Vegas, right and be near family but on their own and with their own space? I thought Caleb had a skilled tradesmen kind of job like welding; those tend to pay $$$. I wonder if he quit that for college (bc if he wanted to go to college why wait until 30 -- it's not like he was off in the army or something) OR if he had to quit because of his health -- which actually would be pretty unfortunate and explain the sudden need to move home as his paycheck was gone.

I really couldn't handle Caleb's passive-aggressive bullshit.  Yes Caleb, it's pathetic that you're thirty years old and living off of your in-laws.  And it's pathetic that you wasted ten years you could have been getting your degree before Maddie came along.  It's also unfortunate that you both decided to have a baby you weren't ready for.   Clearly moving back home is Maddie's doing and he passively allows it - look how he allowed Kody to handle all of his move.  If it were up to Caleb, they would never have gotten there.  But Caleb, you're a grown man.  How pathetic to use a health scare to manipulate things, and how horrible to let Maddie think that Caleb's a ticking time bomb, about to drop dead at any minute.

PEs are serious, and they are life threatening.  But Caleb's was diagnosed and it's resolved.  There's no reason to believe it's going to happen again unless he has a clotting disorder.  If he was diagnosed with a clotting disorder he will be on an anticoagulant, and he will be monitored.  Hundreds of thousands of people have this problem and go on with their lives in a productive manner, without running back home to be cared for by parents.  Pregnant women get PEs and yet manage to have and care for their babies, as well as go back to work after maternity leave.

It still amuses me that so many always cited Maddie as their favorite and most likely to succeed in life.  She's married as a teenager, knocked up soon after, gone to three different colleges, and back living at home by the age of twenty.  My hope is for Aspyn, but we shall see.

And speaking of poor Aspyn, she apparently doesn't even register in Kody's mind.  Mariah was his second . . . . except that was Aspyn.  That girl is used by everyone, and it looks like she had to go haul Maddie's ass to Las Vegas, too.

[Enya Face]

11 hours ago, Galloway Cave said:

 you flaming fame whore.

Fuck it, killed me, I’m one post in and I’m dead 

[RedheadZombie]

3 hours ago, Mimiray802 said:

I don't know why they go to therapy either. The real problem seems to be that Janelle was the 2nd wife and married Kody.  Polygamy is basically at the heart of most of their problems but they ignore this.  But I've always thought Janelle is secretly gay and honestly never liked Kody the same way the other wives did. 

Janelle has said quite a few things about Kody that shows she lusts after him.  I think we already know that Janelle approached Kody about marriage, leaving Meri out initially.  I also expect they were possibly having an affair before they married.  I wouldn't be surprised if Janelle dumped her first husband, Meri's brother, for Kody.  That's awkward all the way around.

[DragonFaerie]

36 minutes ago, bichonblitz said:

But.....another older daughter with naturally pretty blond hair that insists on dying it that gross deep dark purpleish color. Whyyyyyyy? I don't get it. They all look terrible with that color. I swear if Aspen does that to her gorgeous hair I will never speak to her again. In my mind, lol. 

 

So I will give Maddie and Mylketi a pass on the dyed hair.  As a kid, my father would NOT allow anything other than lemon juice on our hair if we wanted to "enhance" it. My mother had honey colored hair as a teen and young adult and then it darkened to brown.  She always referred to it as Mouse or Rat brown.  I would, as a child, tell her to dye it or highlight it, since she didn't like it.  My father would scowl and my mother would very "properly" tell me, good girls don't dye their hair.  Once I left home I had my hair almost every color - Malfoy blonde, red, magenta, burgandy, purple striped - you name it, I may have had it.  As I got older and cut my hair short my hairdresser always tells me what great color I have - a brown with highlights of gold and auburn.  I look at it and see my mother's rat brown hair - my emotionally, mentally and physically abusive mother and can't wait to dye it another color.  

It may be that dyeing their hair is just a way of breaking from the household.  It may be a way of expressing their individuality.  And they are young.  Part of being young is experimenting with different things then you grew up with, even if they don't work out.

[RedheadZombie]

1 hour ago, sainte-chapelle said:

Arg 'Axel' and Caleb only wanting a boy to hunt with.....trash...so much trash

I fear for the local dog and cat population with Hunting Caleb in the area.  How many deer stroll down the strip?

[bichonblitz]

8 minutes ago, RedheadZombie said:

I also expect they were possibly having an affair before they married.  I wouldn't be surprised if Janelle dumped her first husband, Meri's brother, for Kody.

I don't know if they were having an affair, I think the part about Janelle dumping Meri's brother for Kody is true. It was talked about on the show. Only they didn't use the word "dumped". Which is exactly what she did. I can see how Meri would have an issue with Janelle over that. I think Janelle in her quiet, low key way is a big bitch!

[RedheadZombie]

4 minutes ago, DragonFaerie said:

So I will give Maddie and Mylketi a pass on the dyed hair.  As a kid, my father would NOT allow anything other than lemon juice on our hair if we wanted to "enhance" it. My mother had honey colored hair as a teen and young adult and then it darkened to brown.  She always referred to it as Mouse or Rat brown.  I would, as a child, tell her to dye it or highlight it, since she didn't like it.  My father would scowl and my mother would very "properly" tell me, good girls don't dye their hair.  Once I left home I had my hair almost every color - Malfoy blonde, red, magenta, burgandy, purple striped - you name it, I may have had it.  As I got older and cut my hair short my hairdresser always tells me what great color I have - a brown with highlights of gold and auburn.  I look at it and see my mother's rat brown hair - my emotionally, mentally and physically abusive mother and can't wait to dye it another color.  

It may be that dyeing their hair is just a way of breaking from the household.  It may be a way of expressing their individuality.  And they are young.  Part of being young is experimenting with different things then you grew up with, even if they don't work out.

I think the hair dying began with an attempt at individualism since, excepting Robyn's children, they're a family of blonds.  But once most of the older girls started dying their hair the same color, they started looking like each other again.  Aspyn's the smart one in that group.

[Awfarmington]

Maddie mentioned Caleb had the flu (or they thought he did?) when he was diagnosed with a PE. I could be way off here, and often am, but couldn’t the PE be a complication of the flu? If that’s true, then it’s not like he’s more of a risk than anyone else. I think it’s more a case of laziness and the cure for that is a J.O.B. 

 

I might be in the minority but I dislike Tony a fraction less than Caleb. At least he’s employed and isn’t living with his in laws. 

[Spooky]

I had multiple (18) bi-lateral PEs that almost killed me; it really does change your life. He may have scar tissue in his lungs depending on how serious the clots were. I've had 4 other clots in my legs with residual pain and decreased lung capacity; life pretty much sucked for the first year after it happened. Even if he is on coumadin (which in itself it's a hassle); there is no guarantee he won't have another clot (I had 3 after my PEs). It's not just the physical effects of the PEs; there is a psychological component of one minute you're fine, the next you're in life-threatening danger but then sent home with a pill and a kick out the door; it's a complete mind-fuck.  

There aren't a lot of "does" on the strip but there are plenty oh "ho's"! Caleb will have plenty of animals to hunt since they are in a largely unincorporated area still being developed although there are plenty of coyotes;  I have a condo right next to Lone Mountain/215 and often heard them at night. 

[answerphone]

Two comments:

I was waiting for someone to mention Janelle was originally married to Meri's brother. What an interesting, tangled web they've created. I'd love to hear more about all of this.

Second comment, I wonder exactly why Caleb had the pulmonary embolism? He's so young... that's very scary.

[Tabbygirl521]

Audrey is certainly a breath of fresh air after FT. It was great to see Mariah sparkle again. And I liked when Kody said, “This is different. But we’re good at different.”

Mariah's friends all seem pretty great. 

Still watching. More later!

[DragonFaerie]

1 hour ago, RedheadZombie said:

PEs are serious, and they are life threatening.  But Caleb's was diagnosed and it's resolved.  There's no reason to believe it's going to happen again unless he has a clotting disorder.  If he was diagnosed with a clotting disorder he will be on an anticoagulant, and he will be monitored.  Hundreds of thousands of people have this problem and go on with their lives in a productive manner, without running back home to be cared for by parents.  Pregnant women get PEs and yet manage to have and care for their babies, as well as go back to work after maternity leave.

 

I'm wondering if due to his medical problems if they moved home because they didn't have insurance and now have several medical bills to pay

[For Cereals]

4 minutes ago, DragonFaerie said:

I'm wondering if due to his medical problems if they moved home because they didn't have insurance and now have several medical bills to pay

Do they also get more TLC $ if they make more appearances?