S07.E12: Something Blue

[fetching]

9 hours ago, Mothra said:

  I watched a show in which she fisted herself in the back seat of a limo.  

Wait, what?

[ya both high]

Hey fellow TM snarkers! Frequent lurker, infrequent poster here.. I love you guys and totally share in the love/hate fascination with this shit-show! Oh it’s so bad, it’s good. Soooo I, like you guys, watched this wedding crash and burn in total shock and awe too and felt compelled to put together an in-case-you-missed-it style total breakdown of this hoedown. Bear with me because this sucker is bound to be a book.

Buckle up... Here are the highlights, from beginning, to glorious end.

GETTING READY

Friend: “You use hair spray?” Awkward Rhine w/ crazy-eyes: “……Yeah!…...I need a drink.” Clearly not the first, because friend replies, “You better take it easy on that, you have to stand up in front of everybody.” Cheers.

In Mack-Truck’s dressing room: “I really can’t wait to hear what Ryan’s vows are.” (Awkward obligatory agreement from bridesmaids) Friend “Don’t get me wrong, I’m sure Ryan is creative.” Mack shows off her impressive level of denial: “Oh, yeah.” With a straight face. She’s getting good. In fact, if denial ain’t just a river in Egypt, it might just be the glue that holds this blessed marriage together.

Back to Rhine’s dressing room: Rhiiiine refuses to write vows, or even brainstorm a cursory outline, electing instead to “just say it when I get up there.” When questioned, he adds the ever-romantic, “I don’t care! It’s not like it’s gotta be perfect.” Naww, it’s only supposed to be the most important day of your life, you know, the one your wife has worked tirelessly to ensure is “perfect.” But why put forth an ounce of effort, amiright? Good decisions as usual from this one.

DRIVING TO THE CHURCH

Maci and Taylor chug booze in unison. “Hopefully everything goes smoothly.” :)

Ryan’s group pulls up to the church, someone in the car says “There they all are.” Ryan drunkenly jumps out of the car anyway, apparently not having gotten the memo about seeing the bride before the ceremony.  Asks his groomsmen, “Are you gonna be here when we go to the reception?” They of course answer “Yes.” Ummmm, DUH?  

Ryan proceeds to chug the remainder of another boozy drink from his 16oz to-go cup.

Mack-truck sadly attempts to hide behind a tree as her bridesmaids look on in bewilderment at her clueless groom crashing their pre-wedding photo shoot, lovingly screaming “LEEEAVE! GO! GO! GO AWAY!”

 Ryan inserts a large wad of chewing tobacco into his lip, telling Larry “I’m gonna go get a shot real quick.” This is still BEFORE the ceremony, people.

Check-in with the groom: “Did you make up your vows yet?” “NOPE!”  Worried groomsmen try to offer an outline ad suggestions of the things he should say, just in case this dude has literally nothing. Friend says “Just be like, I love you.” Confused Ryan answers, “I love you too.” HAHA!

Meanwhile, the officiant seems to be looking over his lines for the first time.

THE CEREMONY

Drunken Ryan hobbles up to the altar, chewing on a huge dip, smirking awkwardly.

Ryan continues chewing like a cow as he watches Mack walk down the aisle. I know this is their second wedding (weird) but he has absolutely no reaction to seeing her in the dress. Hope Mack didn’t get her hopes up youtube-worthy happy tears moment. This lug doesn’t have it in him.

Orange Mack finishes her walk down the aisle, and when she arrives at the altar she does not look at Ryan, instead keeps her eyes pointed straight ahead with a really sour face and homegirl looks PISSED. So damn awkward all around.

While the officiant is reading, she occasionally glances up at Ryan with an excited smirk… He does not return the sentiment. Continues chewing cud.

Guests watch with semi-embarrassed expressions. It’s time for the (ahem) most meaningful part of the ceremony… the vows. Ryan: “Do you wanna go first or should I?” Mack: “I don’t know, do you want to?” Ryan: “I don’t care.” Mack: “Go.” Ryan, crazy eyes: “I gotta go first?!”

 “Alright. Mackenzie I promise to always love you, be your best friend…” (shrugs) “I promise to be faithful and always there for you.” (wiggles eyebrows up and down in a weird “hubba hubba” way.) The end. That’s all ya get, sweetheart.

Mackenzie is handed her vows, Ryan says “Oh god, you got a long one!”

Mack reads her sweet, copy-and-paste vows, hitting all the Hallmark notes, throwing in some shade “…to ATTEMPT to understand you” (Was that supposed to be funny? She didn’t smile and nobody laughed.)

Ryan appears utterly expressionless and unmoved, apart from his drunkenness causing loss of control over facial muscles, eyebrows twitching a mile a minute.

Audience looks bored and embarrassed. Officiant somehow totally botches the ending of the ceremony, maybe in silent protest?

Mack-truck finally gets a taste of that juicy dip as Ryan takes it upon himself to make the kiss happen (at least he remembered that part.)  MY question at this point is, where is he spitting during the ceremony?! HAS he been spitting?? Is he just swallowing it?! Ewwww.

R: “I’m sweating my ass off.” M: “You’re drunk.” R: “Mmhmm.”

SO DAMN ROMANTIC, Y’ALL.

Time for photos… Ryan chimes in “It’s get-done, then drinking time, right?” Mack seems annoyed at how he’s managed to flub this wedding so far, says she doesn’t feel well, and Ryan tells her she is no fun, and that being sick is no reason to be upset, and he is trying to have a good time. Finishing their chat lovingly with “I don’t wanna hear none of that neither.”

THE RECEPTION

Ryan enters with a truly insane look in his eyes, carrying in more booze in a to-go cup. Asks Mack “Where are we going?” and mutters something about being/getting drunk. Ryan gets another drink from the bar.

Ryan grills Mackenzie about money. He’s one to talk with his $10k a week drug habit. They take a shot of booze.

Someone announces “It’s time for the first dance.” Ryan starts to walk away. Mack: “Come on Ryan!” Ryan: “Ohh, it’s YOU AND I dancing?!” …Jesus H Christ.

Somehow, neither of them know what song they will be dancing to. Ryan continues to grill Mackenzie about money. At this point, she is a saint in my book for not flipping her shit.

The lovely couple wobble back and forth while holding hands in the least loving, least romantic way possible. No eye contact. No smiles. No joy or reflection. Utterly meaningless and going through the motions, overtop a conversation about finances. Half the guests apparently have no idea the first dance is happening and continue to talk and walk around the room, while the other half are shown smirking uncomfortably, looking down awkwardly, fiddling their thumbs, etc. Mack’s dad watches with concern.

Ryan:  “Alright, I think we’re done. You done?” Mack: “We have to finish the song! You’re hammered.” Ryan, crazy eyes: “Woooooooooo.”

Someone walks past in a TRULY bizarre bright blue and white striped suit with flamingoes and palm trees. Brief WTF moment.

Mack’s embarrassed about his vows, tries to cover for it by making jokes with her bridesmaids, who proceed to not only agree that the vows were shit but then tear apart the awkward dance as well. They should probably be lying to help to make Mack feel like her big day is gorgeous and perfect in every way, but they don’t….. and they’re not wrong.

Ryan takes another shot of booze.

CAKES & SPEECHES

Ryan: “Is it real?” yes. “Y’all got a real one? Well how much was it?” My eyes are rolling out of my head.

Maci and Jen talk drunkenly and show the first display of genuine emotion in the entire event.

Back to the cake. Ryan: “Now what do we do?” Mackenzie: “You feed me.” I’m starting to think this dude should have googled “what is a wedding” before showing up. Ryan makes Mack pinky swear not to shove cake in his mouth because “I got a dip in.”  Oh yum. They didn’t have tobacco flavor when they went cake tasting, so this worked out.

Larry says some sweet words, Ryan finally has feelings (though presumably more for his relationship with his father than his wedding.) Tells Mack he is “tired as hell.”

Ryan chugs another drink. Some dribbles down his chin.

Larry’s speech was the only heartfelt moment of the wedding. It was the ONLY time the guests were tuned in to what was happening and actually seemed to be interested, and touched by what was going on. It’s clear that the room was filled with his friends – or "family" friends – but none with any sort of real relationship with Ryan. I didn’t see anyone give the bride and groom hugs. No one talked with them or danced with them. They all know this is Larry’s shit-show son and some middle-aged orange wifey figure with the patience of a saint (with promise of a paycheck.)

Final on-camera drink count: NINE. Plus whatever he drank off-camera, plus whatever he’d had before his groomsmen told him to slow down in the dressing room.

SO INCREDIBLY CRINGEY, GUYS. I couldn’t help myself. That shit was bad down to the very last detail. Maci dodged the world’s drunkest, craziest, least-charming bullet. A brilliant what-not-to-do tutorial for any future groom.  

And they lived happily ever after. <3

[druzy]

Teen Mom Producers Tell All: Ryan and Mackenzie's Wedding

Deleted Scene: Maci and Taylor talk about growing their family and the complications they may face.

Edited February 20, 2018 by druzy

[druzy]

Deleted Scene: Butch's Recovery

[teapot]

9 hours ago, Mothra said:

  I watched a show in which she fisted herself in the back seat of a limo. 

as you do

[poeticlicensed]

Isn't Ryan supposedly still in recovery? Should he not be drinking at all? I always thought that someone in recovery would be abstaining from all substances. 

Mac has resting bitch face, bigly. 

Of course Amber made BewBew's bday party all about her. Kristina is the truth teller when she said that Leah is begging for a little brother from she and Gary and has no reaction about Amber's announcement. NuMatt looks like he is getting bigger each episode.

I still don't  understand why Farrah being late is production's fault. 

Tyler thinks that the more money a rehab costs, the better the results will be. Butch was drinking the night before. Gah!! Tyler wasted about 50K. Butch will never stay clean. 

[fetching]

Oddly enough, I think Tyler has become way hotter than Ryan. I'm just glad he and Maci didn't have leather pockets with the TTM logos sewn onto their fancy wedding outfits. 

That was truly a bizarre wedding. No one seemed remotely interested in the bride or groom, the first dance or the cake cutting. I will hand it to Ryan for winging some simple vows, honestly I think they were better than the ones my husband and I said at our wedding. In our defense, we decided to get married by a friend who was in town visiting, and we put together everything in less than two days. We didn't even have rings. We got married on the beach, and served our eight guests fried chicken and cold beer. My husband's vows? "I love you. Sorry about the confusion.* Let's do this." 

(*We met a few months after his divorce was final. They had been separated over a year. He planned to move out to California to live with me after we had been together a few months, and while cleaning out their apartment, going through old things of their past, they had a moment of did we do the right thing getting divorced? And he was dumb enough to tell me this and ask for a day or two to consider it. Of course I was very hurt by this. Two days later he told me that he knew they'd made the right decision and "sorry about the confusion.")

We've been married eight years and together for ten. So I give him a pass for his moment of confusion. 

[LotusFlower]

2 hours ago, Unconfused said:

Amber just had to make the birthday party all about her with the gender reveal. Why not make it a special moment to share just between her and Leah?

 

45 minutes ago, GreatKazu said:

It makes sense now. Amber knew the party was coming up. She knew that would be her moment to announce it to her BewBewWho AND on camera. 

The “on camera” part is the answer.  Amber is not a mother to Leah - she doesn’t have visitation and never sees her.  The only time she does see her is when she latches on to plans that Gary and Kristina made (so that she has zero responsibility), and even that is only for the cameras.  The show is called Teen Mom, so she has to at least pretend that she’s a mother.

[gunderda]

Tyler should not have told Butch that he was getting a free ride.  Perhaps he may have found it out later from the actual rehab but now he won't have the guilt of quitting and wasting his son's money.  Tyler should have told him it cost DOUBLE!

 

Farrah is just.... fucking weird.  She can treat her mom like shit but the moment she thinks someone else is doing the same she goes all ballistic.  Nevermind they said that Deb was OK with waiting in the car. Can Farrah not tell time!?!

[Cherry Cola]

10 hours ago, Mothra said:

You can be a whore without men.  I watched a show in which she fisted herself in the back seat of a limo.  That'll stretch that vaginal wall more than any dick can.

This is unclear to me...Farrah did this, or a show with somebody else did this to themselves

Yeah, awkward wedding all around. Bentley looked adorable.  So during the wedding, Ryan was actually chewing chew? I know it's called that, but I thought they just stuck it in the inside of the lip.  I hated how he was chewing like no tomorrow in that scene.  Does Mac smile? Ever?

[Marisagf]

3 hours ago, A-Lo said:

I was very impressed by Gary and Kristina's conversation about how much Leah has gone through with Amber and the effects her relationships have had on her.  Their insight on how it was a lot for her to lose her "buddy" Matt, who clearly did a lot of things with her, followed by the insta-relationship with Bigfoot and now a new baby thrown into the mix was very refreshing.  Seriously...how long was it before Matt moved out and nuMatt moved in?  It doesn't seem to faze Amber at all but a little girl would need time to process all of that.  Also, there is zero affection shown between Amber and nuMatt.  It doesn't even seem like they're friends!

I agree with you! Gary has been learning from Kristina, reading about parenting, and/or has a innate sense of how to parent a child.  His comments about how Leah needs her time to deal with Amber's Soulmate-of-the-Month Club were a great sign as how in-tune he is with his child's feeling.  Granted, we don't see him parent all the time.  But he seems to have a good read on his daughter.  I loved seeing that.  Gary for the win!

[CofCinci]

1 hour ago, ya both high said:

Hey fellow TM snarkers! Frequent lurker, infrequent poster here.. I love you guys and totally share in the love/hate fascination with this shit-show! Oh it’s so bad, it’s good. Soooo I, like you guys, watched this wedding crash and burn in total shock and awe too and felt compelled to put together an in-case-you-missed-it style total breakdown of this hoedown. Bear with me because this sucker is bound to be a book.

Buckle up... Here are the highlights, from beginning, to glorious end.

GETTING READY

Friend: “You use hair spray?” Awkward Rhine w/ crazy-eyes: “……Yeah!…...I need a drink.” Clearly not the first, because friend replies, “You better take it easy on that, you have to stand up in front of everybody.” Cheers.

In Mack-Truck’s dressing room: “I really can’t wait to hear what Ryan’s vows are.” (Awkward obligatory agreement from bridesmaids) Friend “Don’t get me wrong, I’m sure Ryan is creative.” Mack shows off her impressive level of denial: “Oh, yeah.” With a straight face. She’s getting good. In fact, if denial ain’t just a river in Egypt, it might just be the glue that holds this blessed marriage together.

Back to Rhine’s dressing room: Rhiiiine refuses to write vows, or even brainstorm a cursory outline, electing instead to “just say it when I get up there.” When questioned, he adds the ever-romantic, “I don’t care! It’s not like it’s gotta be perfect.” Naww, it’s only supposed to be the most important day of your life, you know, the one your wife has worked tirelessly to ensure is “perfect.” But why put forth an ounce of effort, amiright? Good decisions as usual from this one.

DRIVING TO THE CHURCH

Maci and Taylor chug booze in unison. “Hopefully everything goes smoothly.” :)

Ryan’s group pulls up to the church, someone in the car says “There they all are.” Ryan drunkenly jumps out of the car anyway, apparently not having gotten the memo about seeing the bride before the ceremony.  Asks his groomsmen, “Are you gonna be here when we go to the reception?” They of course answer “Yes.” Ummmm, DUH?  

Ryan proceeds to chug the remainder of another boozy drink from his 16oz to-go cup.

Mack-truck sadly attempts to hide behind a tree as her bridesmaids look on in bewilderment at her clueless groom crashing their pre-wedding photo shoot, lovingly screaming “LEEEAVE! GO! GO! GO AWAY!”

 Ryan inserts a large wad of chewing tobacco into his lip, telling Larry “I’m gonna go get a shot real quick.” This is still BEFORE the ceremony, people.

Check-in with the groom: “Did you make up your vows yet?” “NOPE!”  Worried groomsmen try to offer an outline ad suggestions of the things he should say, just in case this dude has literally nothing. Friend says “Just be like, I love you.” Confused Ryan answers, “I love you too.” HAHA!

Meanwhile, the officiant seems to be looking over his lines for the first time.

THE CEREMONY

Drunken Ryan hobbles up to the altar, chewing on a huge dip, smirking awkwardly.

Ryan continues chewing like a cow as he watches Mack walk down the aisle. I know this is their second wedding (weird) but he has absolutely no reaction to seeing her in the dress. Hope Mack didn’t get her hopes up youtube-worthy happy tears moment. This lug doesn’t have it in him.

Orange Mack finishes her walk down the aisle, and when she arrives at the altar she does not look at Ryan, instead keeps her eyes pointed straight ahead with a really sour face and homegirl looks PISSED. So damn awkward all around.

While the officiant is reading, she occasionally glances up at Ryan with an excited smirk… He does not return the sentiment. Continues chewing cud.

Guests watch with semi-embarrassed expressions. It’s time for the (ahem) most meaningful part of the ceremony… the vows. Ryan: “Do you wanna go first or should I?” Mack: “I don’t know, do you want to?” Ryan: “I don’t care.” Mack: “Go.” Ryan, crazy eyes: “I gotta go first?!”

 “Alright. Mackenzie I promise to always love you, be your best friend…” (shrugs) “I promise to be faithful and always there for you.” (wiggles eyebrows up and down in a weird “hubba hubba” way.) The end. That’s all ya get, sweetheart.

Mackenzie is handed her vows, Ryan says “Oh god, you got a long one!”

Mack reads her sweet, copy-and-paste vows, hitting all the Hallmark notes, throwing in some shade “…to ATTEMPT to understand you” (Was that supposed to be funny? She didn’t smile and nobody laughed.)

Ryan appears utterly expressionless and unmoved, apart from his drunkenness causing loss of control over facial muscles, eyebrows twitching a mile a minute.

Audience looks bored and embarrassed. Officiant somehow totally botches the ending of the ceremony, maybe in silent protest?

Mack-truck finally gets a taste of that juicy dip as Ryan takes it upon himself to make the kiss happen (at least he remembered that part.)  MY question at this point is, where is he spitting during the ceremony?! HAS he been spitting?? Is he just swallowing it?! Ewwww.

R: “I’m sweating my ass off.” M: “You’re drunk.” R: “Mmhmm.”

SO DAMN ROMANTIC, Y’ALL.

Time for photos… Ryan chimes in “It’s get-done, then drinking time, right?” Mack seems annoyed at how he’s managed to flub this wedding so far, says she doesn’t feel well, and Ryan tells her she is no fun, and that being sick is no reason to be upset, and he is trying to have a good time. Finishing their chat lovingly with “I don’t wanna hear none of that neither.”

THE RECEPTION

Ryan enters with a truly insane look in his eyes, carrying in more booze in a to-go cup. Asks Mack “Where are we going?” and mutters something about being/getting drunk. Ryan gets another drink from the bar.

Ryan grills Mackenzie about money. He’s one to talk with his $10k a week drug habit. They take a shot of booze.

Someone announces “It’s time for the first dance.” Ryan starts to walk away. Mack: “Come on Ryan!” Ryan: “Ohh, it’s YOU AND I dancing?!” …Jesus H Christ.

Somehow, neither of them know what song they will be dancing to. Ryan continues to grill Mackenzie about money. At this point, she is a saint in my book for not flipping her shit.

The lovely couple wobble back and forth while holding hands in the least loving, least romantic way possible. No eye contact. No smiles. No joy or reflection. Utterly meaningless and going through the motions, overtop a conversation about finances. Half the guests apparently have no idea the first dance is happening and continue to talk and walk around the room, while the other half are shown smirking uncomfortably, looking down awkwardly, fiddling their thumbs, etc. Mack’s dad watches with concern.

Ryan:  “Alright, I think we’re done. You done?” Mack: “We have to finish the song! You’re hammered.” Ryan, crazy eyes: “Woooooooooo.”

Someone walks past in a TRULY bizarre bright blue and white striped suit with flamingoes and palm trees. Brief WTF moment.

Mack’s embarrassed about his vows, tries to cover for it by making jokes with her bridesmaids, who proceed to not only agree that the vows were shit but then tear apart the awkward dance as well. They should probably be lying to help to make Mack feel like her big day is gorgeous and perfect in every way, but they don’t….. and they’re not wrong.

Ryan takes another shot of booze.

CAKES & SPEECHES

Ryan: “Is it real?” yes. “Y’all got a real one? Well how much was it?” My eyes are rolling out of my head.

Maci and Jen talk drunkenly and show the first display of genuine emotion in the entire event.

Back to the cake. Ryan: “Now what do we do?” Mackenzie: “You feed me.” I’m starting to think this dude should have googled “what is a wedding” before showing up. Ryan makes Mack pinky swear not to shove cake in his mouth because “I got a dip in.”  Oh yum. They didn’t have tobacco flavor when they went cake tasting, so this worked out.

Larry says some sweet words, Ryan finally has feelings (though presumably more for his relationship with his father than his wedding.) Tells Mack he is “tired as hell.”

Ryan chugs another drink. Some dribbles down his chin.

Larry’s speech was the only heartfelt moment of the wedding. It was the ONLY time the guests were tuned in to what was happening and actually seemed to be interested, and touched by what was going on. It’s clear that the room was filled with his friends – or "family" friends – but none with any sort of real relationship with Ryan. I didn’t see anyone give the bride and groom hugs. No one talked with them or danced with them. They all know this is Larry’s shit-show son and some middle-aged orange wifey figure with the patience of a saint (with promise of a paycheck.)

Final on-camera drink count: NINE. Plus whatever he drank off-camera, plus whatever he’d had before his groomsmen told him to slow down in the dressing room.

SO INCREDIBLY CRINGEY, GUYS. I couldn’t help myself. That shit was bad down to the very last detail. Maci dodged the world’s drunkest, craziest, least-charming bullet. A brilliant what-not-to-do tutorial for any future groom.  

And they lived happily ever after. <3

That’s the wedding I dreamed of as a little girl. 

[Quilty]

Ryan chomping on gum at the alter.?

[Quilty]

When the bride&groom argue about money at the bar and during their first dance at the reception things aren't looking good for a happy future.

[usernameG]

16 hours ago, druzy said:

Ryan is f***ed up!

I guess you have to do that when you marry someone you hate. I love that he got caught saying he didn't care hahahahahaha

3 minutes ago, Quilty said:

When the bride&groom argue about money at the bar and during their first dance at the reception things aren't looking good for a happy future.

Things weren't looking so good when he was wasted and passing out for his first wedding.

[CofCinci]

15 minutes ago, Quilty said:

Ryan chomping on gum at the alter.?

That wasn’t gum. 

[ghoulina]

3 hours ago, CaliforniaLove said:

Isn't cake cutting usually something that is announced & that at least some people at the wedding pay attention to? I've never seen a bride & groom casually stroll over to the wedding cake & start cutting it as if they're cutting a slice of lasagna for dinner. Birthday parties are more formal than that when it comes to the cake!

It was the same way with the first dance. No one was paying attention to anything!!! 

2 hours ago, ya both high said:

Mack-truck sadly attempts to hide behind a tree as her bridesmaids look on in bewilderment at her clueless groom crashing their pre-wedding photo shoot, lovingly screaming “LEEEAVE! GO! GO! GO AWAY!”

This was my favorite part! "Nooo, it's bad luck if the groom sees me before the wedding!!!!" You're already married, dumbass. 

[woodscommaelle]

When Farrah was having her procedure done it sounded like a robot being programmed. Which, I guess, is not too far off. 

[kelseykixx]

2 hours ago, ya both high said:

Hey fellow TM snarkers! Frequent lurker, infrequent poster here.. I love you guys and totally share in the love/hate fascination with this shit-show! Oh it’s so bad, it’s good. Soooo I, like you guys, watched this wedding crash and burn in total shock and awe too and felt compelled to put together an in-case-you-missed-it style total breakdown of this hoedown. Bear with me because this sucker is bound to be a book.

Buckle up... Here are the highlights, from beginning, to glorious end.

This post summary (snipped for length) was a thing of freaking beauty my god. I almost started clapping at my desk.

[usernameG]

3 hours ago, ya both high said:

Hey fellow TM snarkers! Frequent lurker, infrequent poster here.. I love you guys and totally share in the love/hate fascination with this shit-show! Oh it’s so bad, it’s good. Soooo I, like you guys, watched this wedding crash and burn in total shock and awe too and felt compelled to put together an in-case-you-missed-it style total breakdown of this hoedown. Bear with me because this sucker is bound to be a book.

Buckle up... Here are the highlights, from beginning, to glorious end.

GETTING READY

Friend: “You use hair spray?” Awkward Rhine w/ crazy-eyes: “……Yeah!…...I need a drink.” Clearly not the first, because friend replies, “You better take it easy on that, you have to stand up in front of everybody.” Cheers.

In Mack-Truck’s dressing room: “I really can’t wait to hear what Ryan’s vows are.” (Awkward obligatory agreement from bridesmaids) Friend “Don’t get me wrong, I’m sure Ryan is creative.” Mack shows off her impressive level of denial: “Oh, yeah.” With a straight face. She’s getting good. In fact, if denial ain’t just a river in Egypt, it might just be the glue that holds this blessed marriage together.

Back to Rhine’s dressing room: Rhiiiine refuses to write vows, or even brainstorm a cursory outline, electing instead to “just say it when I get up there.” When questioned, he adds the ever-romantic, “I don’t care! It’s not like it’s gotta be perfect.” Naww, it’s only supposed to be the most important day of your life, you know, the one your wife has worked tirelessly to ensure is “perfect.” But why put forth an ounce of effort, amiright? Good decisions as usual from this one.

DRIVING TO THE CHURCH

Maci and Taylor chug booze in unison. “Hopefully everything goes smoothly.” :)

Ryan’s group pulls up to the church, someone in the car says “There they all are.” Ryan drunkenly jumps out of the car anyway, apparently not having gotten the memo about seeing the bride before the ceremony.  Asks his groomsmen, “Are you gonna be here when we go to the reception?” They of course answer “Yes.” Ummmm, DUH?  

Ryan proceeds to chug the remainder of another boozy drink from his 16oz to-go cup.

Mack-truck sadly attempts to hide behind a tree as her bridesmaids look on in bewilderment at her clueless groom crashing their pre-wedding photo shoot, lovingly screaming “LEEEAVE! GO! GO! GO AWAY!”

 Ryan inserts a large wad of chewing tobacco into his lip, telling Larry “I’m gonna go get a shot real quick.” This is still BEFORE the ceremony, people.

Check-in with the groom: “Did you make up your vows yet?” “NOPE!”  Worried groomsmen try to offer an outline ad suggestions of the things he should say, just in case this dude has literally nothing. Friend says “Just be like, I love you.” Confused Ryan answers, “I love you too.” HAHA!

Meanwhile, the officiant seems to be looking over his lines for the first time.

THE CEREMONY

Drunken Ryan hobbles up to the altar, chewing on a huge dip, smirking awkwardly.

Ryan continues chewing like a cow as he watches Mack walk down the aisle. I know this is their second wedding (weird) but he has absolutely no reaction to seeing her in the dress. Hope Mack didn’t get her hopes up youtube-worthy happy tears moment. This lug doesn’t have it in him.

Orange Mack finishes her walk down the aisle, and when she arrives at the altar she does not look at Ryan, instead keeps her eyes pointed straight ahead with a really sour face and homegirl looks PISSED. So damn awkward all around.

While the officiant is reading, she occasionally glances up at Ryan with an excited smirk… He does not return the sentiment. Continues chewing cud.

Guests watch with semi-embarrassed expressions. It’s time for the (ahem) most meaningful part of the ceremony… the vows. Ryan: “Do you wanna go first or should I?” Mack: “I don’t know, do you want to?” Ryan: “I don’t care.” Mack: “Go.” Ryan, crazy eyes: “I gotta go first?!”

 “Alright. Mackenzie I promise to always love you, be your best friend…” (shrugs) “I promise to be faithful and always there for you.” (wiggles eyebrows up and down in a weird “hubba hubba” way.) The end. That’s all ya get, sweetheart.

Mackenzie is handed her vows, Ryan says “Oh god, you got a long one!”

Mack reads her sweet, copy-and-paste vows, hitting all the Hallmark notes, throwing in some shade “…to ATTEMPT to understand you” (Was that supposed to be funny? She didn’t smile and nobody laughed.)

Ryan appears utterly expressionless and unmoved, apart from his drunkenness causing loss of control over facial muscles, eyebrows twitching a mile a minute.

Audience looks bored and embarrassed. Officiant somehow totally botches the ending of the ceremony, maybe in silent protest?

Mack-truck finally gets a taste of that juicy dip as Ryan takes it upon himself to make the kiss happen (at least he remembered that part.)  MY question at this point is, where is he spitting during the ceremony?! HAS he been spitting?? Is he just swallowing it?! Ewwww.

R: “I’m sweating my ass off.” M: “You’re drunk.” R: “Mmhmm.”

SO DAMN ROMANTIC, Y’ALL.

Time for photos… Ryan chimes in “It’s get-done, then drinking time, right?” Mack seems annoyed at how he’s managed to flub this wedding so far, says she doesn’t feel well, and Ryan tells her she is no fun, and that being sick is no reason to be upset, and he is trying to have a good time. Finishing their chat lovingly with “I don’t wanna hear none of that neither.”

THE RECEPTION

Ryan enters with a truly insane look in his eyes, carrying in more booze in a to-go cup. Asks Mack “Where are we going?” and mutters something about being/getting drunk. Ryan gets another drink from the bar.

Ryan grills Mackenzie about money. He’s one to talk with his $10k a week drug habit. They take a shot of booze.

Someone announces “It’s time for the first dance.” Ryan starts to walk away. Mack: “Come on Ryan!” Ryan: “Ohh, it’s YOU AND I dancing?!” …Jesus H Christ.

Somehow, neither of them know what song they will be dancing to. Ryan continues to grill Mackenzie about money. At this point, she is a saint in my book for not flipping her shit.

The lovely couple wobble back and forth while holding hands in the least loving, least romantic way possible. No eye contact. No smiles. No joy or reflection. Utterly meaningless and going through the motions, overtop a conversation about finances. Half the guests apparently have no idea the first dance is happening and continue to talk and walk around the room, while the other half are shown smirking uncomfortably, looking down awkwardly, fiddling their thumbs, etc. Mack’s dad watches with concern.

Ryan:  “Alright, I think we’re done. You done?” Mack: “We have to finish the song! You’re hammered.” Ryan, crazy eyes: “Woooooooooo.”

Someone walks past in a TRULY bizarre bright blue and white striped suit with flamingoes and palm trees. Brief WTF moment.

Mack’s embarrassed about his vows, tries to cover for it by making jokes with her bridesmaids, who proceed to not only agree that the vows were shit but then tear apart the awkward dance as well. They should probably be lying to help to make Mack feel like her big day is gorgeous and perfect in every way, but they don’t….. and they’re not wrong.

Ryan takes another shot of booze.

CAKES & SPEECHES

Ryan: “Is it real?” yes. “Y’all got a real one? Well how much was it?” My eyes are rolling out of my head.

Maci and Jen talk drunkenly and show the first display of genuine emotion in the entire event.

Back to the cake. Ryan: “Now what do we do?” Mackenzie: “You feed me.” I’m starting to think this dude should have googled “what is a wedding” before showing up. Ryan makes Mack pinky swear not to shove cake in his mouth because “I got a dip in.”  Oh yum. They didn’t have tobacco flavor when they went cake tasting, so this worked out.

Larry says some sweet words, Ryan finally has feelings (though presumably more for his relationship with his father than his wedding.) Tells Mack he is “tired as hell.”

Ryan chugs another drink. Some dribbles down his chin.

Larry’s speech was the only heartfelt moment of the wedding. It was the ONLY time the guests were tuned in to what was happening and actually seemed to be interested, and touched by what was going on. It’s clear that the room was filled with his friends – or "family" friends – but none with any sort of real relationship with Ryan. I didn’t see anyone give the bride and groom hugs. No one talked with them or danced with them. They all know this is Larry’s shit-show son and some middle-aged orange wifey figure with the patience of a saint (with promise of a paycheck.)

Final on-camera drink count: NINE. Plus whatever he drank off-camera, plus whatever he’d had before his groomsmen told him to slow down in the dressing room.

SO INCREDIBLY CRINGEY, GUYS. I couldn’t help myself. That shit was bad down to the very last detail. Maci dodged the world’s drunkest, craziest, least-charming bullet. A brilliant what-not-to-do tutorial for any future groom.  

And they lived happily ever after. <3

This was amazing! Thank you!

[Mothra]

1 hour ago, Cherry Cola said:

This is unclear to me...Farrah did this, or a show with somebody else did this to themselves

Yeah, awkward wedding all around. Bentley looked adorable.  So during the wedding, Ryan was actually chewing chew? I know it's called that, but I thought they just stuck it in the inside of the lip.  I hated how he was chewing like no tomorrow in that scene.  Does Mac smile? Ever?

I have no idea where or when I saw this, but it was on TV.  I have massive cable capability, so it may have been a porno channel.  She was riding in a limo with a guy who was somehow involved with her porno tape, and she was a little drunk, or high, and she went off on people criticizing her for being in adult films, and the guy sort of talked her into fisting herself right there on the back seat.  I have never been fisted and had no idea you could do that to yourself.

I did a little searching, and apparently what I saw was from one of her sex tapes.  In a discussion on Reddit, someone says:

Her 'acting' was the worst, pretending to be his gf all small talk and jokes and he's just like 'whatever, I am paid to fuck you not talk to you' , and that was the most awkward part until the limo scene. So much second hand embarrassment watching her make herself into a hand puppet. When I watch TMOG now and shes talking about 'my minions' and acting superior I chuckle remembering she had to fist herself for a fistful of cash.

[usernameG]

4 minutes ago, Mothra said:

I have no idea where or when I saw this, but it was on TV.  I have massive cable capability, so it may have been a porno channel.  She was riding in a limo with a guy who was somehow involved with her porno tape, and she was a little drunk, or high, and she went off on people criticizing her for being in adult films, and the guy sort of talked her into fisting herself right there on the back seat.  I have never been fisted and had no idea you could do that to yourself.

I did a little searching, and apparently what I saw was from one of her sex tapes.  In a discussion on Reddit, someone says:

Her 'acting' was the worst, pretending to be his gf all small talk and jokes and he's just like 'whatever, I am paid to fuck you not talk to you' , and that was the most awkward part until the limo scene. So much second hand embarrassment watching her make herself into a hand puppet. When I watch TMOG now and shes talking about 'my minions' and acting superior I chuckle remembering she had to fist herself for a fistful of cash.

 

When she did the chat room videos, I googled them. It was so bad. She just kind of laid there, touched herself, texted....Why anyone would want to see that I have no idea.

I wanted to hug the producer she screamed at. Farrah is so nasty. Where does she get off treating someone like that? One day she will lose her "fame" and it will be a humbling moment for sure. 

[CofCinci]

Farrah fisting herself for a porn was far more work than Amber, Catelynn or Maci have ever done. 

[druzy]

Link for episode

Edited February 20, 2018 by druzy

[GreatKazu]

18 minutes ago, CofCinci said:

Farrah fisting herself for a porn was far more work than Amber, Catelynn or Maci have ever done. 

And it is legal.

[Calm81]

@ya both high a wonderful recap, please become a frequent poster as you are a lurker. ?

That wedding was so embarrassing. What a giant waste of money. Do you know how many oars Ryan has to steal and pawn to get that drug money back?

Nobody, and I mean NOBODY looked like they gave two shits about Ryan and Mack. They were there for the free drinks and Larry’s speech.

I would normally feel sympathy for the bride or downright ANGER for the bride but since it’s Mackenzie, pfft. Ryan had a zero tolerance policy for romance during that wedding. I danced with my dad more romantically at my wedding during the father daughter dance than he did with his wife and my dad has issues about people hugging up on him, lol.

I wonder how many “Dear Maci” letters Mackenzie typed up and tossed to the trash while watching the clip of her new mother in law showing the ex girlfriend more loving attention at her wedding. ??‍♀️

They were having a “No I love YOU more” contest while Mackenzie was having an argument with Gomer Pyle about finances.

That BFF Of Mackenzie either loves to watch Mackenzie suffer with embarrassment or was the only true friend she had to tell it to her straight - your man just isn’t that into you. Does anybody like Mackenzie?

My cake cutting had everyone watching and laughing while my new hubby and I sliced the first piece with love and laughter - Ryan was more pissed about it costing $350.00

I know she wanted her fairytale wedding but that was a huge waste of money - I hope MTV didn’t fund any of it. ?

Edited February 20, 2018 by Calm81

[Mr. Miner]

I'd like to see a female fist Amber in the face repeatedly.

[CarJag]

16 hours ago, WhosThatGirl said:

I mean.. is it bad that I’m going to miss Farrah? I know she’s terrible and awful but I kind of enjoy her scenes. At least she’s not pretending to be an image of herself that she isn’t. Anyways..

These episodes keep making me more and more uncomfortable. The scenes with Butch were uncomfortable and awful and the scenes at Ryan and Mack’s wedding were uncomfortable- seriously, seemed like everyone who is a main player in those stories was WASTED, the bride and the groom, Maci and Taylor, Jen and Larry! And everything wit Amber makes me mad, especially given the being Gary special that aired before and Gary had to call Amber so Amber could wish Leah a happy birthday. The hell was that?

This is my first time posting. I just stumbled onto this fabulous site! I love it! It’s (you posters) better than everything it covers! 

I really like that we get to see Butch in his raw and emotional desire to be sober. I’m rooting for him! And for anyone who is fighting for a better life. 

When Mack said something like “I will give you a part of my heart rather than a piece of my mind” or some such thing- I was like ‘What!! Really!” Stupid and stupider!  She may as well have said “I will just continue down this rocky, uncomfortable, abusive, river of denial with you and I’ll keep my mouth shut about it as we both plunge head first into the depths of hell!” 

Honestly- Are we all still going with the “Crazy Eyes is off the drugs” narrative? Really? Anybody?

[Emkat]

I'm sorry. I'm still trying to come to terms with the Farrah fisting story. Like I just...I just don't know. 

[StatisticalOutlier]

16 hours ago, LotusFlower said:

And what was up with the minister or officiant who wouldn’t say they could kiss?  How weird was that?

What was up with that officiant in general?  He looked to be about 120 years old, so surely he's done a ton of weddings, even weddings of strangers.  And there's a script.  I think he said something like "I pronounce you Mr. and Mrs. Ryan Edwards" or something like that, instead of "I present Mr. and Mrs. Ryan Edwards" or whatever.  It seemed like he just didn't know what he was doing.

As bad as that first wedding was, at least it was kind of slapped together.  This second one is presumably the best they can do, and they should be embarrassed.

 

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How does one apply for the "free ride scholarship" for a six month stay at a luxury rehab?  

Well, like my example in the previous episode's thread, Butch was jogging in the rich neighborhood.  Many people are addicts who can't afford a nice rehab; the "lucky" ones are related to reality TV stars.

When I first heard about the scholarship, I naturally thought of the quid pro quo, but then they didn't splash the name of the place all over the screen when they first showed up.  Then they just showed the name on a little placard thing, and I was doubting myself.  Then we got the full tour, and much information about the expertise of the staff, and portrayals of their sensitivity to the addict and the family, and my naivete went ::poof::  

I found a Yelp review that said the program is geared toward young people with opioid (ptv spellchecker underlines opioid--get with it!) addiction, so the product placement makes sense with this show.  But I'm not sure I'd hitch my wagon to a older crack addict with 9 or 10 rehab stints under his belt.

Heh--I was looking up Butch's age to see if "older" fit (it does, even though he's younger than I am), and found out his first name is Darl.  Darl?  Is that pronounced like "Darrell" only without the pesky vowels that you normally need to make a syllable?

 

3 hours ago, Cherry Cola said:

So during the wedding, Ryan was actually chewing chew? I know it's called that, but I thought they just stuck it in the inside of the lip.  I hated how he was chewing like no tomorrow in that scene.  Does Mac smile? Ever?

I blessedly haven't been around chewing tobacco in decades, but back then, it was snuff that people put inside their lower lip.  It could be loose or in a sachet-type packet.  You can see the outline of it, bulging the lower lip, and it oozes.  Chewing tobacco was a much bigger wad, and went inside the cheek, creating a very large bulge.  It looked to me like he was inserting snuff into his lower lip, which made me think he was chewing gum (maybe Nicorette) during the ceremony.

 

2 hours ago, KierstenRebecca said:

Obviously calling anyone a whore is ignorant. But it is just as ignorant to act as if fisting yourself for money and attention is the same as giving yourself an orgasm. Farrah gets zero sexual gratification from fisting herself. There is nothing wrong with having a career in porn unless you are doing it for the wrong reasons, which she is.

Okay, I'm about as far from a porn expert as they come, but I assume the reason to have a career in porn is to make money, or at least try to make money, and I assume that's what she's doing.  What is her "wrong" reason for doing it?

But good heavens, Farrah, that face!  When the camera was kind of in profile through the car window, she looked for a second like a heavily made-up Kathy Griffin.  She certainly didn't look like herself. 

And nobody's mentioned the scene with Debra and Sophia, where Debra as asking if Sophia was coming to the wedding.  That was many levels of fucked up, on everyone's part.

Edited February 20, 2018 by StatisticalOutlier
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[DangerousMinds]

Wait - they got married in a church? And they were all drunk in church? What religion do they practice?

[FairyDusted]

They worship at St. Bud Light.

[Brooklynista]

1 hour ago, StatisticalOutlier said:

 

And nobody's mentioned the scene with Debra and Sophia, where Debra as asking if Sophia was coming to the wedding.  That was many levels of fucked up, on everyone's part.

Debra is a moron. She keeps asking Sophia if she's coming to the wedding like Sophia is going to drive herself or call an Uber to the venue.

[MyPeopleAreNordic]

Ref: Farrah's procedure: Who knows what's up with Farrah down there? I had major vaginal/pelvic floor trauma from the birth of my 10lb son who I pushed for two hours (not labored with - pushed - for two hours). I went to a physical therapist who specializes in pelvic floor therapy.  It helped a lot, but things are still different with everything surrounding that region downthere.  Farrah may have had some unresolved issues from Sophia's birth or something.   

20 hours ago, Ajb1112 said:

That was the most sad and awkward wedding I've ever seen. 

 

I think I'm going to have to watch this episode. I usually just read here but I need to see Awkward Train Wreck Edwards Wedding Take 2. 

18 hours ago, SPLAIN said:

I suppose making threats to the crew on more than one occasion (David Eason) is perfectly fine with MTV. Matt Baier threatening a female crew member by telling her to go suck a dick in order to get something done on his behalf must be acceptable as well. Double standards.

 

But those cast members are guys.  Apparently when a woman treats the crew badly, she is somehow held to a higher standard.  Apparently it's even worse when it's a woman who has done porn and won't give them the typical TM story line drama of "miracle" babies, multiple soul mates, & drug addictions.  

When I noticed the two cast members @SPLAIN mentioned, it struck me that they're both guys. It made me question what role misogyny is playing here in getting rid of Farrah (and how everyone involved with the show views her because of her work in the sex indusry) but not David, Matt, or Adam (it was his decision to leave the show, he wasn't fired). 

Edited February 20, 2018 by MyPeopleAreNordic

[GreatKazu]

1 hour ago, DangerousMinds said:

Wait - they got married in a church? And they were all drunk in church? What religion do they practice?

Was it a real church or just one of those rental places like Maci had for her trap wedding? I wasn't paying attention that much, but I did notice the venue had nothing inside like a real church. Just walls and pews.

[CofCinci]

2 minutes ago, MyPeopleAreNordic said:

20 hours ago, Ajb1112 said:

That was the most sad and awkward wedding I've ever seen.

 

We still have Debz OG, EMBA, and Dr. David's upcoming wedding!

[GreatKazu]

Agree.@MyPeopleAreNordic

Edited February 20, 2018 by GreatKazu

[MyPeopleAreNordic]

17 hours ago, LotusFlower said:

So the previews show one of the producers telling Farrah that she’ll be fired if she continues her work in porn, but I think she should be fired for how she talked to the producer in tonight’s episode.  Which I’m sure was par for the course with her and the production crew.  It’s just not ok to treat people like that.  Especially people you work for.  And yes, Farrah - you work for MTV, not the other way around.  Diva witch.

She absolutely shouldn't be allowed to talk to her co-workers like that.  But Matt Baier shouldn't have been able to sexually harass a producer (on nation TV no less) and David Eason shouldn't have been able to threaten to physically assault the crew, either. I think the main issue is that Farrah is vile, but so are many of these people (who haven't done porn or who are males) and MTV hasn't tried to get rid of them yet....

I can't believe they told her she'd be fired for continuing to work in the adult industry.  Is that line of work somehow contrary to their mission of unplanned pregnancy prevention? Farrah's the only one who hasn't had a "miracle" baby or trap baby. Is it going to interfere with the show's wholesome image? We've already seen this franchise's "stars" steal credit cards, file fake orders of protection, assault domestic partners (sometimes in front of kids), curse out grandmothers, go on bigoted Twitter rants, nod out on heroin/pills, doctor shop for Rx meds, attack exes' new partners, abuse/neglect animals, and abuse/neglect children. 

Farrah's career in the adult industry is barely shown on the show. FFS, at this point, Farrah is basically the most wholesome TM franchise girl aside from Chelsea. 

MTV can miss me with firing her over her work in the adult industry. She's the only TMOG girl actively working at real jobs (besides online clothes company joke businesses).  News flash, if the average person has an unplanned pregnancy as a teen (or adult), she's likely going to work a real job besides "reality star." Farrah has consistently worked outside of the show. She hasn't just spent the last nine years sitting on her couch while MTV films.  She has the hustle that the average teen mother (and adult mother) out there has to have by necessity. 

ETA: @LotusFlower, I want to make it clear I'm not ranting at you. I agree Farrah is vile to work with. I'm ranting at MTV. 

Edited February 20, 2018 by MyPeopleAreNordic

[CofCinci]

They’re all vile assholes...  except for Chelsea and Cole. 

[politichick]

1 hour ago, kelseykixx said:

This post summary (snipped for length) was a thing of freaking beauty my god. I almost started clapping at my desk.

I totally agree. It was soooo spot on! When I'm on the train to Boston Thursday night, I am going to crack open a bottle of wine and the iPad and watch this shit show all over again. Can't wait.

Mack's first words to him after the ceremony was "You're drunk." I loved how her friend said, "That was the most awkward first dance I've ever seen." How the fuck much money is this bitch getting because the humiliation is real and girlfriend has no shame. Not an ounce. She has no pride what-so-fucking ever, We never even saw her interact with Jen but Maci and Jen had a little love fest, which was nice to see.

And can you imagine the first kiss? He was probably stinking of booze AND had that disgusting shit in his mouth that he was chewing like a cow with her cud?

On another note, hated how stupid Amber had to announce the sex of her new spawn at Leah's birthday. What a sow. And NuMatt better sign-up for classes to take care of the child because Amber sure the hell won't be doing it. Thank goodness it's a boy; that will be easier for him to manage. And Leah shouldn't get attached during the few short months the boy is in Indiana becaue he will likely have to relocate to Malibu.

[MyPeopleAreNordic]

If NuMatt has any sense, he's also skimming some money out of Amber's bank account & squirreling it away into a separate bank account he's set up to pay for a nanny for James from birth to at least school age. 

[CarJag]

2 hours ago, Calm81 said:

I wonder how many “Dear Maci” letters Mackenzie typed up and tossed to the trash while watching the clip of her new mother in law showing the ex girlfriend more loving attention at her wedding

 Have to admit this was the only moment where I felt slightly bad for The Mackster. Well this and when Macks father was lurking weirdly behind her In a “just say the word and we’re outta here!” kind of way while Mack’s “best friend” is in no uncertain terms explaining to her exactly why her life from this day forward will just simply suck! Just as badly her wedding did. 

[politichick]

56 minutes ago, Brooklynista said:

Debra is a moron. She keeps asking Sophia if she's coming to the wedding like Sophia is going to drive herself or call an Uber to the venue.

I know, right? Plus in the end, she didn't go. She probably said yes to get Debra to STFU. She may be weird, our Sophia, but she's no fool.

[CofCinci]

6 minutes ago, MyPeopleAreNordic said:

If NuMatt has any sense, he's also skimming some money out of Amber's bank account & squirreling it away into a separate bank account he's set up to pay for a nanny for James from birth to at least school age. 

Amber just purchased all that expensive filming equipment. Probably gets a nice resale price in LA. 

[MissMel]

34 minutes ago, GreatKazu said:

Was it a real church or just one of those rental places like Maci had for her trap wedding? I wasn't paying attention that much, but I did notice the venue had nothing inside like a real church. Just walls and pews.

It was supposed to be the same church Jen and Larry got married at.  The deleted scene said the officiant was "Grandpa Nick".  I'm assuming Ryan's.  Also, that the wait for the kiss was longer than shown and I swear I heard Ryan say "hell with it" just before he kissed her.

[FairyDusted]

oohhhhhh! Now I have another reason to rewatch. Preverts are lucky we can pre game at home safely. I'm rolling. Meet me out back!

Edited February 20, 2018 by FairyDusted
damn auto incorrect

[MissMel]

6 hours ago, druzy said:

Teen Mom Producers Tell All: Ryan and Mackenzie's Wedding

Deleted Scene: Maci and Taylor talk about growing their family and the complications they may face.

 

It wasn't a deleted scene, it was a 'producers tell all' clip.  Ooops.  druzy posted them earlier-thank you @druzy!

Edited February 20, 2018 by MissMel

[GreatKazu]

1 hour ago, MyPeopleAreNordic said:

She absolutely shouldn't be allowed to talk to her co-workers like that.  But Matt Baier shouldn't have been able to sexually harass a producer (on nation TV no less) and David Eason shouldn't have been able to threaten to physically assault the crew, either. I think the main issue is that Farrah is vile, but so are many of these people (who haven't done porn or who are males) and MTV hasn't tried to get rid of them yet....

I can't believe they told her she'd be fired for continuing to work in the adult industry.  Is that line of work somehow contrary to their mission of unplanned pregnancy prevention? Farrah's the only one who hasn't had a "miracle" baby or trap baby. Is it going to interfere with the show's wholesome image? We've already seen this franchise's "stars" steal credit cards, file fake orders of protection, assault domestic partners (sometimes in front of kids), curse out grandmothers, go on bigoted Twitter rants, nod out on heroin/pills, doctor shop for Rx meds, attack exes' new partners, abuse/neglect animals, and abuse/neglect children. 

Farrah's career in the adult industry is barely shown on the show. FFS, at this point, Farrah is basically the most wholesome TM franchise girl aside from Chelsea. 

MTV can miss me with firing her over her work in the adult industry. She's the only TMOG girl actively working at real jobs (besides online clothes company joke businesses).  News flash, if the average person has an unplanned pregnancy as a teen (or adult), she's likely going to work a real job besides "reality star." Farrah has consistently worked outside of the show. She hasn't just spent the last nine years sitting on her couch while MTV films.  She has the hustle that the average teen mother (and adult mother) out there has to have by necessity. 

ETA: @LotusFlower, I want to make it clear I'm not ranting at you. I agree Farrah is vile to work with. I'm ranting at MTV. 

 

This should be pinned at the top of this thread, Farrah's thread and the top of both TMOG and TM2's boards. 

Some people are easily influenced by what is shown on the show, and that is exactly what the producers and MTV are hoping to have happen.  Showing Farrah shriek, curse, and yell at her crew, comes off as one who is difficult to work with. They know many people hate Farrah for being in the adult business. MTV is using that angle to get more people to side with them and show contempt for Farrah. MTV also has their staged, recreated, and highly edited scenes. Show me the UNEDITED scenes. Don't pretend to be miked up. Many of us are fully aware of the Heather-being-fired bullshit story that MTV was peddling out there. Amber is MTVs sacred cow. When she threw her fit to quit, MTV bowed to Princess Heifer and did as she asked - get rid of that producer. Where was the outrage by the producers when Amber nearly assaulted Farrah on stage? Why wasn't she told her behavior was unacceptable not to mention it was criminal? Oh, that's right. She is their prized pig. She will gladly ingest her pills and do whatever MTV asks of her. They use her. That is how fucking stupid and demented she is. 

Maci's two trap babies, Amber's baby, Baby Lux, NonCarly and the newest pregnancy by Cate, all of those babies share the same baby daddy - MTV. 

Edited February 21, 2018 by GreatKazu

[TheRealT]

49 minutes ago, MyPeopleAreNordic said:

But those cast members are guys.  Apparently when a woman treats the crew badly, she is somehow held to a higher standard.  Apparently it's even worse when it's a woman who has done porn and won't give them the typical TM story line drama of "miracle" babies, multiple soul mates, & drug addictions.  

When I noticed the two cast members @SPLAIN mentioned, it struck me that they're both guys. It made me question what role misogyny is playing here in getting rid of Farrah (and how everyone involved with the show views her because of her work in the sex indusry) but not David, Matt, or Adam (it was his decision to leave the show, he wasn't fired). 

 

36 minutes ago, MyPeopleAreNordic said:

MTV can miss me with firing her over her work in the adult industry. She's the only TMOG girl actively working at real jobs (besides online clothes company joke businesses).  News flash, if the average person has an unplanned pregnancy as a teen (or adult), she's likely going to work a real job besides "reality star." Farrah has consistently worked outside of the show. She hasn't just spent the last nine years sitting on her couch while MTV films.  She has the hustle that the average teen mother (and adult mother) out there has to have by necessity. 

ETA: @LotusFlower, I want to make it clear I'm not ranting at you. I agree Farrah is vile to work with. I'm ranting at MTV. 

I don't believe for a second that MTV fired Farrah because she was doing porn. She did her first sex tape years ago, was off the show, and was brought back. I don't follow porn in general or Farrah's career in particular (NTTAWWI), but my understanding is that she's been working in the adult entertainment industry all this time. Why is it suddenly a big problem?

There are also multiple cast members (mostly men) who have verbally abused the crew, sometimes up to and including physical threats. So I don't believe that's the real reason either. Therefore, it's disgusting to me that MTV is using her work in porn as a pretense for getting rid of her. They're basically playing on misogynist/slut shaming attitudes that paint a woman who does porn as more offensive and objectionable than:

• people who are physically, verbally, and emotionally abusive to children, adults, and animals;
• people who do drugs while they're taking care of kids/driving;
• people who are in and out of jail regularly;
• women who "accidentally" get pregnant to trap guys they've been dating for 5 minutes, then don't take good care of the resulting offspring;
• women who drink heavily when they know they're pregnant;
• people who are openly racist/homophobic;
• etc., etc., etc.

I don't even know what the real reason is for them firing her (maybe it was just that the wrong person/people got fed up with her and decided to pull the plug). What I find objectionable is that they figured that blaming it on her being a bitchy porn star would suffice as an explanation because, obviously, everyone knows how horrible (female) adult entertainers are, especially if they refuse to apologize for it or bend over backwards to show how nice they are.

And I caught how they included the scene with Debra Danielson, EMBA throwing Farrah under the bus BIG TIME detailing her porn work (knowing that Farrah doesn't want it discussed on camera). That was a classic Debs, EMBA scene, which perfectly displayed how toxic she is. She was pissed at Farrah over the wedding bullshit, so she made a point of spelling out how what Farrah has chosen to call a "sex tape"* was the first step in what has become a career in porn.

*I'm not 100% on what Farrah's terminology is/was, but I know that she claimed that her original porn video was a sex tape made with a boyfriend (or something). I really don't care about all the drama around Farrah's porno and her refusal to publicly admit it was a porno, etc., etc. I think it's dumb that she tried/tries to lie about it, but I also think the lengths that some people go to to shame women for their sexual behavior (including major campaigns to make women publicly admit to sexual behavior that is considered shameful) explain why some women go to such lengths to avoid such admissions. There's a lot of "I wouldn't have a problem with her making a porno/fucking 10 different guys/whatever if she would just be honest about it...," in the context of shaming women for allegedly doing whatever.

[FairyDusted]

32 minutes ago, MissMel said:

It wasn't a deleted scene, it was a 'producers tell all' clip.  Ooops.  druzy posted them earlier-thank you @druzy!

Oh the producers clips were funny. I can't imagine what they see and DON'T say. The deleted clip was meh….but then again that's my general thought on Maci in general.