S11.E10: Let's Go In The Snow!

[humbleopinion]

Did anyone else read the title of the episode and think...yellow snow?

[woodscommaelle]

On ‎11‎/‎22‎/‎2017 at 4:09 PM, pdlinda1 said:

On that basis alone, aside from his "boy" rambunctiousness, I think Jen has an inner alert system that may sense possible danger.  

I find this so sad.  And probably true.

On ‎11‎/‎22‎/‎2017 at 5:16 PM, bichonblitz said:

It's not like he can hop on a plane any time he wants to or needs to for his business. 

But I think he can.  Couldn't they just film him flying  back and forth?  Just another storyline for the show.

Will exhausts me.  

[floridamom]

I was under the impression that any issues Will and Zoey have are due to EMOTIONAL delays, not intellectual ones. Both of those children IMO, are capable of functioning as perfectly well adjusted AGE APPROPRIATE people. They need some type of intervention and they also need proper discipline and boundaries at home...FROM THEIR PARENTS. I think this is a good general point of view about those kids. Zoey, in particular, seems to be a serious, well focused individual. She very well may grow up to be a physician or something equivalent. I think she is a very intelligent little girl. Like I said, their issues are emotional, not intellectual. I also believe that Will is behaving BELOW his ability. Secular or parochial schools just don't have the staff needed for those who are 'out of the box'. 

I also found it interesting that Will's speech therapist in Houston had a speech impediment herself.  Her "Ss" were in need of some help, still.  Why is that?

[woodscommaelle]

On ‎11‎/‎22‎/‎2017 at 8:14 PM, humbleopinion said:

On the brighter side...we got to see Nanny Kate in the last days of her employment with the Arnold-Kleins.

Will doesn't back talk Kate...at least on camera.

Hope TLC producers show some of Kate's wedding with the kids in the wedding party, they both were dressed so adorably as usual.

Gonna miss Nanny Kate and Jarrod when the show pulls tent and relocates to Florida.

They should just bring her with them.  Pay for her move. They have the money.

[Absolom]

39 minutes ago, floridamom said:

I was under the impression that any issues Will and Zoey have are due to EMOTIONAL delays, not intellectual ones. Both of those children IMO, are capable of functioning as perfectly well adjusted AGE APPROPRIATE people.

As to that, I can't say for sure, but Will is less developed in all areas including intellectual than my five year old grandson.  Grandson can write sentences without full proper spelling and can read beginner books.  Will at 7 was struggling to write dad.  Zoey is about to be passed by my three year old granddaughter.   So no I fear there may be other issues besides just emotional/behavioral and speech.

2 hours ago, sATL said:

hold up  a sec.. so a 13 yr old who is struggling in public and needs extra resources , could get placed in an elementary class in private?

Indeed I know a woman who did just that with her daughter with Down Syndrome and the child was much, much happier and was progressing well with the curriculum.

[toodles]

Bill and Jen are both well educated people. I'm sure the education of their children is a top priority.  They are willing to do whatever it takes to help their children overcome their challenges.  I don't think it matters if the kids are going to private or public school.  

[toodles]

58 minutes ago, woodscommaelle said:

They should just bring her with them.  Pay for her move. They have the money.

We don't know anything about her private life. Maybe, for her, a move was not something she wants for her life.  The move may have not been about money at all.

[woodscommaelle]

"And me too. And me too." All the while with the seriously cutest smile in the world. 

[AZChristian]

1 hour ago, toodles said:

We don't know anything about her private life. Maybe, for her, a move was not something she wants for her life.  The move may have not been about money at all.

I seem to remember that she recently got married. Maybe she opted to stay with her husband in Houston. LOL.

[Bridget]

5 hours ago, jumper sage said:

I agree and will go even further to say that too many parents keep too much stuff from their kids.  Kids should see parents struggle financially and then see how they plan their way out.  Kids should not be shielded from the every day rigors of life.  That's how you show kids how to manage life when they are adults - age appropriate, of course.

 

I don't know about all the states but here in Michigan if you need special services you need the public school.  I guess if you can pay a steep price for a private school with the understanding that your child needs special help it would be ok.

In California, if you have a student who attends private school, but is eligible for services (just as they would receive in a public school, once testing was completed and an IEP was established), the kiddo who attends private school can still receive services for whatever their need(s) is/are, but it's up to the parent(s) to take them to the school district's specialists, whether that's at the district office or to their local elementary/middle/high school. If a parent/doctor catches a delay in development as early as 3 years of age, then a kiddo can receive school district services, but their parent(s) have to get them to where the therapist is, especially if the kiddo isn't even in pre-school yet. It's not too early to start intervention and support systems.

Private schools don't have to honor the needs/modifications for any student with a learning disability (LD) as the school is not funded by the state, so a student's IEP (a legally binding document) that must be honored in public schools and requires appropriate services is null and void if a kiddo goes to private school. 

4 hours ago, Kid said:

 They do not say what they mean and mean what they say and their size has nothing to do with that. When I was a student teacher, I had 200 pound football players in my senior English class. They listened when I talked because they knew there would be consequences if they didn’t.

 

HS English teacher here (also have my SpEd cred) and I can guarantee I had same experience that you did! (I still do!) True story: I read Jo Frost's books (Supernanny) and watched her shows, along with attending professional development for classroom management with the amazing Rick Morris. I cannot tell you what amazing tools those have been for me as I've taught grades 6-11. I'm sure you can attest that two things matter the most: 

1. consistency

2. short, sweet & to the point when having to "discipline", with the focus being on the student's behavior/choice, never the student themself

 

5 hours ago, sATL said:

agree. that is why I originally thought they went to public. Many of the private schools just don't have the resources for special services - esp if those schools who proclaim to boast  higher academic test scores, placement and opportunities, all with smaller class size and exceptionally well trained teachers. 

If the child can't pass the entrance exam (grade appropriate ), then they are not admitted from the jump.

I wouldn't be surprised if k4-5 private  requires recommendations from prior sitters, pre-school, etc for admission. 

But I guess if you can write a check anything is possible - IE have the specialist(s) come into the private school.

 

I taught at a private school for one semester (I had to leave because I could not handle it - it was ten types of crazy!) and there was one kid who had been attending the school since he was in 2nd grade. He drove his peers nuts in grade 2 and he continued to do so as a 6th grader in my class.  He was the poster child for ADHD, but being a private school, (independent, not religious), he continued to terrorize his peers and his teachers. What didn't help is that his (divorced) parents had the most bizarre custody arrangement I'd ever heard of, with an obscene 55 minute morning commute from dad's house to school during half of the week. This kid was 30 mins late every day and he made sure everyone know he was walking into the door, no matter how late he was. He failed all of his courses because he never did his HW/passed quizzes or exams/turned in essays and his behavior was out of control.

He spent more time in the "headmaster's office" than he did in class. It was such a disservice to this kid to have him at this school. Nutshell: this kid got to stay in the school because this particular site was desperate for $$$$ and they were afraid of making a statement by booting the kid, even though he had been on some loose version of a behavior contract. However, from what I know about well established/well known private schools, religiously based or not, that type of behavior/lack of academic achievement would have had consequences. He wouldn't have lasted more than a year if he was at a private school that could afford to say "there's the door, bye bye!" 

Private schools boast great scores because the students at those schools probably do well on the exams as they are, for the most part, doing really well in smaller class sizes. I don't know about the majority of private school teachers' qualifications, but I do know that I would not want to teach at one. The teachers I know who work at private schools only do so because they can "afford to" or they're first year teachers and desperate for a job. I'm not saying they're not good teachers, but the "benefits" aren't enough to make me want to go teach at a private school, as much as I moan & groan about my own knuckleheads each year. Teachers at private schools don't have a pension/retirement package available, the salary never changes and is anywhere from 40-50% less than what an average public school teacher makes. Health benefits are not offered, but they are available if one wants to pay $300 month for the most basic HMO group. I didn't get into teaching for the money, but the free benefits, mini salary bumps each year and time off makes up for the hoops we jump through on a daily basis.

When public schools reveal their API scores or state testing averages, they include an average score that includes every students who took any of those tests, which includes kiddos who have an IEP (Mild/Mod or Mod/Severe), various levels of English Language Learners and students who are all over the board in terms of their comprehension/fluency.

[Libby]

I don't know if it's still this way or not. I was raised Catholic.  In my day, Catholics honestly believed that if they didn't send their children to Catholic school, that they were doing them a huge disservice.

Jen and Bill are Catholic and raising the children as Catholics. I don't know if this plays into their decisions regarding the children's education or not.

ETA: I left the church when all the pedophilia stuff was revealed. Obviously the Kleins didn't. They may be strict Catholics and going by the church's rules and beliefs. If so, they may prefer Catholic school for the kids.

Edited November 26, 2017 by Libby

[retired watcher]

On 11/22/2017 at 8:19 PM, AZChristian said:

He can grab a Southwest direct flight from Tampa to Houston pretty inexpensively.

When the show first started Bill moved to Texas and commuted to NY for business. Also, doctors need to relocate to advance their careers. Bill can run his business from anywhere.

[Zanne]

6 hours ago, floridamom said:

I also found it interesting that Will's speech therapist in Houston had a speech impediment herself.  Her "Ss" were in need of some help, still.  Why is that?

As an Education Specialist, I've worked with speech therapists for years. I've noticed that several have hints of a speech disorder themselves. They likely had speech therapy while in school and enjoyed the experience, so that's what they wanted to do when they grew up.

[Bridget]

1 hour ago, Libby said:

I don't know if it's still this way or not. I was raised Catholic.  In my day, Catholics honestly believed that if they didn't send their children to Catholic school, that they were doing them a huge disservice.

Jen and Bill are Catholic and raising the children as Catholics. I don't know if this plays into their decisions regarding the children's education or not.

ETA: I left the church when all the pedophilia stuff was revealed. Obviously the Kleins didn't. They may be strict Catholics and going by the church's rules and beliefs. If so, they may prefer Catholic school for the kids.

That makes sense to me!

My mom and all of her 11 siblings attended Catholic school. It was much more affordable in the Midwest when she attended school than for my twin brother and I in San Diego County. Public school for us!

Bill & Jen certainly are more than able to afford Catholic school for their kids. I do know most Catholic schools do not play when it comes to behavior, whether the nuns are teaching or not. :)

If the Cheese Stealer continues to struggle with behavior, I have no doubt that Bill &  Jen would be asked to find him a new school, no matter what grade he is in, who his parents are or how much money they donate. I hope he can pull it together to make the school run easy for them. I do wonder how much "character development/ biblical education" the kids get at school and if it's reinforced when cameras are gone because what I see on my TV looks nothing like what I would expect an elementary school aged kid who goes to Catholic school and is raised in a Catholic house.

Before I am asked what I think a Catholic kiddo "should look like", I will gladly say that it's definitely not dumping all of the cheese on their supper or hitting/mouthing off to his mom. Surely the kids have religious based books for bedtime/story time about being kind & not hitting a parent. (That's not for you, Libby, but for those who might disagree with my opinion.)

I do admit that I would have loved to have seen a wee bit of the kids'  baptisms (who are their godparents?) or even a shot of them leaving the house for church and looking awesome. I wonder if the kids go to Sunday School and what they (especially Zoey) have to say about it? How precious would she be simply talking about the animals/Noah 's Ark? She is so smart & never ceases to amaze me!

I'm a "cafeteria plan" Catholic myself, but I still have fond memories of CCD/catechism classes, hence my curiosity about what the kids think about it.

[toodles]

12 minutes ago, Bridget said:

That makes sense to me!

My mom and all of her 11 siblings attended Catholic school. It was much more affordable in the Midwest when she attended school than for my twin brother and I in San Diego County. Public school for us!

Bill & Jen certainly are more than able to afford Catholic school for their kids. I do know most Catholic schools do not play when it comes to behavior, whether the nuns are teaching or not. :)

If the Cheese Stealer continues to struggle with behavior, I have no doubt that Bill &  Jen would be asked to find him a new school, no matter what grade he is in, who his parents are or how much money they donate. I hope he can pull it together to make the school run easy for them. I do wonder how much "character development/ biblical education" the kids get at school and if it's reinforced when cameras are gone because what I see on my TV looks nothing like what I would expect an elementary school aged kid who goes to Catholic school and is raised in a Catholic house.

Before I am asked what I think a Catholic kiddo "should look like", I will gladly say that it's definitely not dumping all of the cheese on their supper or hitting/mouthing off to his mom. Surely the kids have religious based books for bedtime/story time about being kind & not hitting a parent. (That's not for you, Libby, but for those who might disagree with my opinion.)

I do admit that I would have loved to have seen a wee bit of the kids'  baptisms (who are their godparents?) or even a shot of them leaving the house for church and looking awesome. I wonder if the kids go to Sunday School and what they (especially Zoey) have to say about it? How precious would she be simply talking about the animals/Noah 's Ark? She is so smart & never ceases to amaze me!

I'm a "cafeteria plan" Catholic myself, but I still have fond memories of CCD/catechism classes, hence my curiosity about what the kids think about it.

They did a whole episode on the kids' baptism.  They were baptized with their cousin.  Bill's brother and his wife and Wil's godparents and Jen's brother and his wife are Zoey's godparents.  They have talked about their faith on several episodes.

[Awfarmington]

10 hours ago, jumper sage said:

I agree and will go even further to say that too many parents keep too much stuff from their kids.  Kids should see parents struggle financially and then see how they plan their way out.  Kids should not be shielded from the every day rigors of life.  That's how you show kids how to manage life when they are adults - age appropriate, of course.

 

I don't know about all the states but here in Michigan if you need special services you need the public school.  I guess if you can pay a steep price for a private school with the understanding that your child needs special help it would be ok.

I have one who needs speech therapy. He's in private school and the state provides so many hours of therapy per year. It averages out to 45 mins a week, and they provide the service right at the school. 

[CousinAmy]

Re: the Nanny. A lot of wealthy people have help for running their households, going in trips, etc. I wouldn't be surprised if the family had bodyguards along when they are out in large, open areas. And I'm sure they will have staff at the new house - even if the person is not a nanny, they will need help cleaning - not because they are little people, but because that house is huuuge! Plus cooking, shopping for groceries, etc. I once knew an upper-middle class couple who not only had dog walkers/groomers/sitters on speed dial, but a Plant Caretaker [sic] who came into the house just to water all the plants! 

[humbleopinion]

Am a big advocate of (others... not me...too poor)outsourcing jobs that you don't like to do AND if your family can afford it.

No special medals for cleaning house, keeping a pool chemically balanced, yard work so if the Arnold-Kleins have a full support staff then that frees up the family time usually dedicated to chores.

I would suggest adding a chef to deliver cooked food  a couple times a week since the cooking segments we have seen on the show are fraught with danger and life threatening...

[sATL]

I think the means and methods of finding household help or even just an extra pair of hands  has become more available, (thanks mostly to smartphones), and affordable.

4 quick  examples (1) there is tv commercial for finding a babysitter/car-taker via a app. I think they end the commercial by saying you can pay the sitter via your smartphone (2) this happened while I was at the hair salon. another client's child missed the school bus. She called an uber.  In the olden days most of us would be fussing and cussing with a wet head going to do kid pickup (3) most of the grocery stores have a feature where you can online pick out your goods and they will either (a) have them ready for pickup or (b) deliver - Instacart. (4) the kids at college discovered (I guess via a app service) a very reasonable cleaning service for those who need one-time clean-up to get apt deposit back... or just to move in initially at off-campus apartments.

Edited November 26, 2017 by sATL

[Madtown]

I just can't deal with Will's screaming and there was a lot of it this episode.  He reminds me of a child I watched who was like that. Every year I watched him, on his birthday I thought, "Oh he won't be like this anymore". Wrong, he was still like that after I was done watching him(watched him for 4 years). Of course he grew out of it as he's now in college. I do believe he was told by a teacher he had ADHD. I never watched him long enough to know if he did have it or if his parents did anything about it.

Yet another disaster outing with the chocolate shop. I'm sorry, but at 7, Will shouldn't have done what he did. There is a problem that he doesn't listen to what he should be doing, he just pours it out all over. I know many 7 year olds that would've done what was told and would've been taken out of the situation had they done what Will did. Yes, it was probably a staged birthday party because I'm pretty sure Will didn't pick that activity, but still no excuse for his behavior.

I'm beginning to agree with many on here that so much of this show could be staged, I don't know what's real and what's not. Did the producer tell Will to pour all the cheese out? I don't know, but if it were my kid, I would not have agreed to that. Again, another situation that Will should've known better. Zoey was told not to do that and then he went and did it.

It's getting harder and harder to watch when I don't know what is being fed from the producer and what is being edtied. I know someone up thread noticed that Bill and Jen were listed as producers which doesn't help the Will situation either if they are encouraging the behavior.

[Absolom]

Which one is worse?  Allowing your child to be portrayed as a brat, rearing a brat, or allowing a child with developmental delays and/or inherent behavioral issues be filmed for entertainment and discussion?

I wish I didn't have the characteristic of once I begin watching a show I stick around until the end.  We've reached the point where I truly should stop watching. 

[BitterApple]

41 minutes ago, Absolom said:

Which one is worse?  Allowing your child to be portrayed as a brat, rearing a brat, or allowing a child with developmental delays and/or inherent behavioral issues be filmed for entertainment and discussion?

 

I was thinking the same as well. If they're deliberately encouraging this behavior then it makes me think a lot less of Bill and Jen. I would rather it be a case of parents who are just too permissive as opposed to ones who are exploiting their kid's delays for ratings and money. Although I guess putting your kids on TV in the first place is a form of exploitation in and of itself.

Edited November 27, 2017 by BitterApple

[Snow8585]

2 hours ago, BitterApple said:

I was thinking the same as well. If they're deliberately encouraging this behavior then it makes me think a lot less of Bill and Jen. I would rather it be a case of parents who are just too permissive as opposed to ones who are exploiting their kid's delays for ratings and money. Although I guess putting your kids on TV in the first place is a form of exploitation in and of itself.

I really wonder what it will take for the Kleins to say enough is enough.  I guess unless the ratings really drop. They claim they would stop if filming was having a negative effect on the kids. Well I for one think we are about there now. They have so much money now and fame, what more could they possibly want?

[camom]

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They have so much money now and fame, what more could they possibly want?

More money and fame.

[sATL]

1 hour ago, camom said:

More money and fame.

very true. I'm sure the new job in FL came with a nice bonus and salary increase. plus more drama for TLC to film the next season(s).

Edited November 27, 2017 by sATL

[viewer]

Check out Facebook.   People worship the Klein family.   It is a very hard show to watch yet I keep watching.   I believe Will is encouraged to act like this by Bill.    He was an adorable child when they met him in China.   How could a child's true personality change that much??

[ginger90]

15 minutes ago, viewer said:

Check out Facebook.   People worship the Klein family.   It is a very hard show to watch yet I keep watching.   I believe Will is encouraged to act like this by Bill.    He was an adorable child when they met him in China.   How could a child's true personality change that much??

Nature/nurture......

[sATL]

5 hours ago, viewer said:

Check out Facebook.   People worship the Klein family.   It is a very hard show to watch yet I keep watching.   I believe Will is encouraged to act like this by Bill.    He was an adorable child when they met him in China.   How could a child's true personality change that much??

on FB, doesn't the moderator/admin have the power to remove postings, or approve  postings before it is public? Meaning if they disagreed with something that is said , we don't get to see it.

[Rap541]

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I believe Will is encouraged to act like this by Bill.    He was an adorable child when they met him in China.   How could a child's true personality change that much??

So, I'll be upfront. I don't like children. I'm willing to say that I didn't find Will to be an adorable child at any point. I do qualify this with... yeah, I don't like children. But as a person who doesn't like children, let me clue you in on something.

Aside from us curmudgeons who dislike children, most people find toddlers adorable. I think its one of those instinctive things. Will's behavior now is not less cute or more naughty or bratty, it's just that people tend to be all "oh how cute" at toddlers who don't mind or who run off or who cheerfully stuff themselves with treats (all behavior we saw from Will on day one) I didn't find it cute then, but I am a hateful monster who dislikes children.

Now that he's a little older, all the behaviors everyone found cute are now annoying and irritating. Will's personality hasn't changed - frankly it's Zoey who has had a personality change and for the better, Will is basically a cheerful kid who acts like he's the center of the world. It's just the perception of his behavior has changed. He's older, so he should behave better - that's generally the problem a lot of kids with developmental delays face. But Will very much acts the way he did as a toddler, it's just less adorable because he's no longer viewed through with the instinctive protected lens we wear for toddlers.

[Absolom]

The show was on the guide for this week and next week and now it's off.  Has anyone heard why they are replacing it part way through the season?

[Foghorn Leghorn]

9 hours ago, sATL said:

on FB, doesn't the moderator/admin have the power to remove postings, or approve  postings before it is public? Meaning if they disagreed with something that is said , we don't get to see it.

Only in a group.  Their page is public and so are the posts.  Free speech!! 

[Kid]

2 hours ago, Rap541 said:

So, I'll be upfront. I don't like children. I'm willing to say that I didn't find Will to be an adorable child at any point. I do qualify this with... yeah, I don't like children. But as a person who doesn't like children, let me clue you in on something.

Aside from us curmudgeons who dislike children, most people find toddlers adorable. I think its one of those instinctive things. Will's behavior now is not less cute or more naughty or bratty, it's just that people tend to be all "oh how cute" at toddlers who don't mind or who run off or who cheerfully stuff themselves with treats (all behavior we saw from Will on day one) I didn't find it cute then, but I am a hateful monster who dislikes children.

Now that he's a little older, all the behaviors everyone found cute are now annoying and irritating. Will's personality hasn't changed - frankly it's Zoey who has had a personality change and for the better, Will is basically a cheerful kid who acts like he's the center of the world. It's just the perception of his behavior has changed. He's older, so he should behave better - that's generally the problem a lot of kids with developmental delays face. But Will very much acts the way he did as a toddler, it's just less adorable because he's no longer viewed through with the instinctive protected lens we wear for toddlers.

Being a person who does not like children as well, I think you hit the nail squarely on the head!!!  I was shocked that I found Will so adorable at the beginning because I don’t like kids.  And surprised that I now find him so irritating.  This explains it perfectly.

[BitterApple]

Rap541, I think you summarized it perfectly. My niece was an absolute terror as a toddler, but she grew out of that phase and turned into a reasonably well-behaved kid. Will just seems sort of stuck. Like he made a ton of progress early on after his adoption, but isn't catching up as quickly as you'd expect. I know it isn't for lack of effort on Bill and Jen's part when it comes to getting him services, but quite frankly, whatever they're doing isn't working. 

I think Bill and Jen need to find that happy medium where they realize setting limits doesn't mean stomping out Will's exuberant personality. I also think they need to ditch the "boys will be boys" mantra as the fallback excuse for why they can't control their kid. They're not doing Will any favors by continually allowing him to skate when he misbehaves.

Edited November 28, 2017 by BitterApple

[Sasha888]

2 hours ago, Rap541 said:

Aside from us curmudgeons who dislike children, most people find toddlers adorable. I think its one of those instinctive things. Will's behavior now is not less cute or more naughty or bratty, it's just that people tend to be all "oh how cute" at toddlers who don't mind or who run off or who cheerfully stuff themselves with treats (all behavior we saw from Will on day one) I didn't find it cute then, but I am a hateful monster who dislikes children.

Now that he's a little older, all the behaviors everyone found cute are now annoying and irritating.

I agree with almost all of this...running off, wanting lots of treats...yes, I also believe those were behaviors we saw from day one...and that many people found them cute, and that it's not so cute anymore. 

However, I do think there are a couple of annoying behaviors that we did not see from day one - the screaming, and being mouthy and disrespectful. I don't recall Will screaming so often, for no reason, when he was younger. And of course, he didn't have the language skills at first to say disrespectful things. 

I realize there may be reasons for the behaviors - delays, etc - but that doesn't make his behavior any easier to watch. I also think that, delays or not, some of his behaviors are simply the result of poor, lax parenting. 

[Rap541]

I totally remember his screaming and not minding at very young ages - he just consistently got a pass because he was a little kid and they can't be reasoned with, just endured. My point was that Will didn't have a major change in personality from his toddlerhood where he was a perfect child who was always adorable and sweet. I do think Jen and Bill need to get on this because frankly, he's already got the dwarfism against him, so if he is delayed, that's strike two, and badly behaved/undisciplined/spoiled is strike three

[Sasha888]

33 minutes ago, Rap541 said:

My point was that Will didn't have a major change in personality from his toddlerhood where he was a perfect child who was always adorable and sweet.

I totally got your point and agree that Will did not have a major personality change, wasn't ever perfect, younger kids get more of a pass on some things, etc. I just think that due to his parents doling out very little discipline, even more bad behaviors have cropped up. JMO.

[walnutqueen]

2 hours ago, Absolom said:

The show was on the guide for this week and next week and now it's off.  Has anyone heard why they are replacing it part way through the season?

It's not on tonight, but I still see a new episode listed for next week (12/05/17).

ETA - actually, my DVR is picking up 2 episodes next week - the extended cut of Episode 11, and Episode 12.  Don't know why Episode 11 isn't airing tonight.

Edited November 28, 2017 by walnutqueen

[sATL]

8 minutes ago, Sasha888 said:

I totally got your point andwe'veee that Will did not have a ma jor personality change, wasn't ever perfect, younger kids get more of a pass on some things, etc. I just think that due to his parents doling out very little discipline, even more bad behaviors have cropped up. JMO.

Ok..so we have been watching Will 'be Will' for the past 3 years. Looking  3 yrs foward, he will be almost a tween. I am starting to see the light of maybe pulling the plug on a hr long weekly show

[Sew Sumi]

3 hours ago, Absolom said:

The show was on the guide for this week and next week and now it's off.  Has anyone heard why they are replacing it part way through the season?

At the conclusion of last week's show, there was a graphic that said they'd be back in 2018. I figured that ten episodes was it for this season. Seems reasonable, given that the Duggars gave TLC 6.

[Sasha888]

11 minutes ago, Sew Sumi said:

At the conclusion of last week's show, there was a graphic that said they'd be back in 2018. I figured that ten episodes was it for this season.

I also thought I saw that, but wasn't sure...thanks for the reminder.

56 minutes ago, walnutqueen said:

It's not on tonight, but I still see a new episode listed for next week (12/05/17).

ETA - actually, my DVR is picking up 2 episodes next week - the extended cut of Episode 11, and Episode 12.  Don't know why Episode 11 isn't airing tonight.

That's what I'm seeing on my DVR as well - not sure why, since they said it would be back in 2018. Strange.

[Absolom]

Rarely for me I watched online since I was out of town and didn't see the graphic probably because I didn't watch the credits.  Next week isn't showing an episode at 9 pm, but has now added the extended cut of episode 11.  They'll get it straight eventually I guess.  Thanks!

[Sew Sumi]

Interesting.l also see the "Extended" episode next Tuesday at 8. It doesn't have an episode number. It's called "Why Do We Have to Move?" My guide is showing TBA in the 9:00 timeslot.

eta: Tonight are reruns of Hodges Half Dozen and a new episode in their regular timeslot.

Edited November 28, 2017 by Sew Sumi

[walnutqueen]

I'm beginning to suspect that TLC hasn't updated the info for next week's schedule, and will decide to run another mini-marathon of Hodges Half Dozen again.  I guess that's the new show they're desperately trying to make people watch?

[BitterApple]

34 minutes ago, walnutqueen said:

I'm beginning to suspect that TLC hasn't updated the info for next week's schedule, and will decide to run another mini-marathon of Hodges Half Dozen again.  I guess that's the new show they're desperately trying to make people watch?

Ugh, I hope not because I find the wife totally insufferable. I'll take the Kleins over them any day of the week. For some reason shows about multiples just don't interest me. I think Kate Gosselin scarred me for life.

[Absolom]

I am refusing to be drawn into another multiple show.  I don't want to support people who engage in the practices that result in multiples (in general) and after one or two seasons they almost all have devolved into the same TLC recipe book of production driven activities and fake drama (oh we have to do the party planning in one day).

[Tikichick]

5 hours ago, Sasha888 said:

I agree with almost all of this...running off, wanting lots of treats...yes, I also believe those were behaviors we saw from day one...and that many people found them cute, and that it's not so cute anymore. 

However, I do think there are a couple of annoying behaviors that we did not see from day one - the screaming, and being mouthy and disrespectful. I don't recall Will screaming so often, for no reason, when he was younger. And of course, he didn't have the language skills at first to say disrespectful things. 

I realize there may be reasons for the behaviors - delays, etc - but that doesn't make his behavior any easier to watch. I also think that, delays or not, some of his behaviors are simply the result of poor, lax parenting. 

 

5 hours ago, Rap541 said:

I totally remember his screaming and not minding at very young ages - he just consistently got a pass because he was a little kid and they can't be reasoned with, just endured. My point was that Will didn't have a major change in personality from his toddlerhood where he was a perfect child who was always adorable and sweet. I do think Jen and Bill need to get on this because frankly, he's already got the dwarfism against him, so if he is delayed, that's strike two, and badly behaved/undisciplined/spoiled is strike three

It's been stated on the show that Will struggles with expressive skills in regard to speech.  That alone can contribute mightily to the constant shrieking.  I know from someone in my life that speech issues can also go hand in hand with behavioral issues because the kid is so frustrated with not being able to communicate and simply lashes out.  The boy I know changed like a switch was flipped when his speech therapy reached the tipping point where he could express his thoughts much more clearly.  He is one of three children, and the only one with the speech delay and the only one who behaved so out of control.

There may well be further issues with Will that are being kept private for whatever reason.  I like this family and wish them well, but wouldn't consider myself some kind of superfan by any means.  My belief is that there is a lot we don't know about them, so none of us can say for certain what their motivations for going on with the show are.  I would say that the kids have progressed light years in many respects from where they were when we first saw them join Jen and Bill.  The level of absolute comfort the kids reached in very little time convinces me that the bottom line is that these kids feel very loved and accepted in their home.  Plenty of parents adopt children and work like mad to give their kids what they need and are unable to resolve some of the issues their children have as a result of their early days.  Will and Zoey were far from a guaranteed grand slam in this regard and it's very clear Bill and Jen did a phenomenal job getting both over that hurdle.  It's also clear that many other resources have been brought to bear to provide the kids with the extra assistance they need. 

Just because we've watched so much about this family and followed the cameras into their home doesn't mean we actually understand the full picture of what the kids or the parents are facing.  It seems as if Bill and Jen should be in a place where they have the means without the TV show to handle pretty much anything.  Realizing that we don't know the extent of issues that might exist, that might not actually be the case, as hard as that seems to understand from my much less cushy lifestyle.  Watching a close friend take on a cancer battle over this past year has opened my eyes even further to how quickly the dominoes rearrange on the board and how expensive and extensive the bills get in a hurry makes me understand that even at Bill and Jen's income level it wouldn't be impossible that their finances could be wiped out in a matter of two or three years if two of them faced a series of health crises -- very particularly if Jen was unable to work as a doctor for a stretch of time where they had to start self funding their health insurance premiums.  

For those reasons I'm not going to jump to greed as the motivation to continue the series despite the fact it doesn't seem to me to be the best fit for the kids at this point. 

[Snow8585]

So I guess we do not get a finale Q&A from the Kleins like we saw in earlier seasons.

[mythoughtis]

When Bill and Jenn first moved to Texas, they had no children.  It didn't matter if there was family close by because they could just hop on a plane to go see whomever or invite them down.  Now they have two children that are almost Jen's height.  She is the major breadwinner - and there is nothing wrong with that.  Florida has Bill's brothers, Bill's Dad, and a little further away Jen's parents.  Jenn's brother lives close to Florida.  Might not be greed at all.... might be wanting to live by family, the kid's godparents and Bill and Jen's godchildren, with a job that might be better suited for Jen as a working mom.  It's better to move the kids at this age than later.  Why should they continue to live in Texas, after considering all of that?

[dorcastrilling]

9 hours ago, Rap541 said:

So, I'll be upfront. I don't like children. I'm willing to say that I didn't find Will to be an adorable child at any point. I do qualify this with... yeah, I don't like children. But as a person who doesn't like children, let me clue you in on something.

Aside from us curmudgeons who dislike children, most people find toddlers adorable. I think its one of those instinctive things. Will's behavior now is not less cute or more naughty or bratty, it's just that people tend to be all "oh how cute" at toddlers who don't mind or who run off or who cheerfully stuff themselves with treats (all behavior we saw from Will on day one) I didn't find it cute then, but I am a hateful monster who dislikes children.

Now that he's a little older, all the behaviors everyone found cute are now annoying and irritating. Will's personality hasn't changed - frankly it's Zoey who has had a personality change and for the better, Will is basically a cheerful kid who acts like he's the center of the world. It's just the perception of his behavior has changed. He's older, so he should behave better - that's generally the problem a lot of kids with developmental delays face. But Will very much acts the way he did as a toddler, it's just less adorable because he's no longer viewed through with the instinctive protected lens we wear for toddlers.

If I could like this post a thousand times I would. Will is the same kid he has always been, he has just outgrown it being cute.

I am another one who is not a kid person per se but I do find some very likable. Zoey is one of them. I could watch her all day.

[sATL]

21 minutes ago, Snow8585 said:

So I guess we do not get a finale Q&A from the Kleins like we saw in earlier seasons.

They do their own post-season reunion , right? where they pre-selected the questions they wanted to answer.  I really wish TLC would let a hard core, but gentle, news-person moderate .. I would even settle for Andy and/or live viewers calling in, with little pre-screening. 

 

10 minutes ago, mythoughtis said:

When Bill and Jenn first moved to Texas, they had no children.  It didn't matter if there was family close by because they could just hop on a plane to go see whomever or invite them down.  Now they have two children that are almost Jen's height.  She is the major breadwinner - and there is nothing wrong with that.  Florida has Bill's brothers, Bill's Dad, and a little further away Jen's parents.  Jenn's brother lives close to Florida.  Might not be greed at all.... might be wanting to live by family, the kid's godparents and Bill and Jen's godchildren, with a job that might be better suited for Jen as a working mom.  It's better to move the kids at this age than later.  Why should they continue to live in Texas, after considering all of that?

I thought Bill's brothers - or at least one of them- were in NY/NJ ?

Edited November 28, 2017 by sATL